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F9 To Relocate To MSY?  
User currently offlineQF74 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13190 times:

The state of Louisiana is backing a group of investors wanting to purchase Frontier and move it to NOLA.

http://www.225batonrouge.com/article...112/121009775/0/BUSINESSREPORT0401

It's the first I've heard of it, does anyone else have any insight? Do you think it could work?

As a New Orleans resident, I'd love to see it happen (but I have my doubts).

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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13209 times:

What a stupid idea. More politicians fooling themselves into thinking they understand the airline industry ...

[Edited 2012-10-09 12:55:26]

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13154 times:

I think this would be a disaster for everyone involved.

"Every major city in Louisiana..." Louisiana doesn't have any real major cities except New Orleans. Even less important when in comes to air travel. No-one is going to fly from BTR-MSY, and F9 equipment is too large to economically connect SHV or AEX/LCH and the like to MSY.

Then there is the real issue of the loyal carriers...namely WN...you piss off WN and they either:
1.) Retalliate and finally disconnected the breathing machine from F9 via competition or...
2.) They retreat/stagnate from MSY and F9 still collapses - leaving MSY with pre-Katrina levels of service.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13021 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 2):
No-one is going to fly from BTR-MSY, and F9 equipment is too large to economically connect SHV or AEX/LCH and the like to MSY.

Yeah, I doubt that would be part of the plan "if" it ever got off the ground. Poorly worded article in some respect.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 2):
Then there is the real issue of the loyal carriers...namely WN...you piss off WN and they either:
1.) Retalliate and finally disconnected the breathing machine from F9 via competition or...
2.) They retreat/stagnate from MSY and F9 still collapses - leaving MSY with pre-Katrina levels of service.

I guess the public would have to decided. Stick with WN which has provided strong service to MSY since 1979 or give a locally owned company a shot. It would depend on many factors, not the least of which would be the amount of service offered. I can tell you that on the whole people down here are fiercely loyal to local brands.

For the record I don't think this will happen, but I have to admit it's intriguing on some level. For personal reasons, it'd sure be something to see.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13006 times:

A regional focus city COULD work for F9 in MSY. With routes to other medium-large cities in the south to MSY and a prop operation going on connecting other "major" cities in Louisiana to MSY, but with planes about SF3 size. If F9 can start routes from MSY to Central America, that could be a gold mine for them.

But if they want a domestic hub in the South, MEM would be better. Less competition since DL is all but pulled out and MEM is a larger city than MSY. Also, it is a better location geographically. But most of all, WN is not in MEM.

Uprooting completely from DEN to MSY would pretty much spell the end for Frontier Airlines as we know it.



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1525 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 4):
WN is not in MEM.

With the FL merger that is changing....



"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12799 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 5):
With the FL merger that is changing....

Doesn't the City of Memphis have an anti-WN policy? If so, I could see FL's ATL route being an exception.



A landing EVERYONE can walk away from, is a good landing.
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7970 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12786 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
What a stupid idea. More politicians fooling themselves into thinking they understand the airline industry ...

MSY is in a horrible location too. Too far south for any decent connections. I can see someone buying it and establishing a focus city in MSY but nothing like what they have in DEN.



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2851 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12760 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
Doesn't the City of Memphis have an anti-WN policy? If so, I could see FL's ATL route being an exception.

How would a city have an anti-WN policy. That is against the law.



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1525 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12724 times:

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 8):
How would a city have an anti-WN policy. That is against the law.
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
Doesn't the City of Memphis have an anti-WN policy? If so, I could see FL's ATL route being an exception.

It was never an official thing so it was not illegal but yes, the city made Memphis look very "Ugly" to SWA in order to protect the DL MEM hub. Ever since the DL hub cuts MEM is bowing down to WN.



"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12724 times:

If these pols are really serious, wouldn't it just be so much less expensive to start up from scratch?????

Get what planes are needed to what routes are needed with what people are needed and just go from there.......

After all, they are the politicians, and they have whatever pull is needed to get this done quickly, unlike a non-political entity.


 


User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12712 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
If these pols are really serious, wouldn't it just be so much less expensive to start up from scratch?????

The most valuable asset F9 has is its FAA Operating Certificate. A from scratch airline would require more $$$ and take much longer eg California Pacific.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 11):
The most valuable asset F9 has is its FAA Operating Certificate. A from scratch airline would require more $$$ and take much longer eg California Pacific.

Yes, okay, but with the FAA OC comes all of the contracts, employees, leases, etc, etc.

I'm not quite sure of the situation with CP, but somehow they do seem to be doing something that is simply taking such a long time.

And also, what is the $$$$ that RAH will sell off F9 for? Since F9 is now turning a plus profit, suddenly value has to go up, eh?


 


User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12619 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 9):
the city made Memphis look very "Ugly" to SWA in order to protect the DL MEM hub. Ever since the DL hub cuts MEM is bowing down to WN.

Interesting, I am curious as to what tactics Memphis used to make their city look less appealing.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

F9 already tried MEM to MCO and If memory serves me MEM-DEN. As I recall It lasted about a year.

This might have worked with the E190 but only a handful of those remain. In lieu of purchasing an airline another thought might be to offer incentives or financial guarantees which would allow one or two airframes fly around the state on a continuous basis or something mirroring charter work.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

I really don't think this would work. While moving F9 out of DEN certainly has its benefits (they are facing stiff competition in DEN from UA and WN), MSY doesn't seem like a good place for them to relocate. It doesn't have enough O&D traffic to justify F9 moving there, and it is poorly placed as a connecting hub: it will face strong competition from UA at IAH and WN at HOU, and to an extent DL and WN at ATL. I also agree with other a.netters in that intrastate service within Louisiana would certainly not work: it just doesn't have many major cities that are spaced far apart, and that would merit service with the A318/A319. Honestly I'm not sure what can be done to save F9...

User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12460 times:

It could work out just as well as Pride Air, or Air New Orleans, or fantasy Air Gumbo lol. Not only is size an issue at New Orleans, demographics as well. What % of potential area passengers make enough to be able to fly? Maybe if they set up an Allegiant-type at MSY, getting folks to come to the French Quarter,etc, might have a chance. But if someone thinks throwing a few flights to IAD, LAX, MIA, ORD, MCO , as well as AEX, SHV,MLU etc will work, well, enjoy the business you do after the airline gig. Oh, may as well toss a Caravan to Morgan City while you're at it.  


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12413 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 13):
I am curious as to what tactics Memphis used to make their city look less appealing.

One thought which comes to mind is FedEx and potential inbound and outbound delays at the wrong time of day. I think that is why you will never see scheduled WN metal in MEM. I connected through MEM in 2004 on a 757 NW flight from SEA. Memphis center had the flight deck slow the aircraft down over somewhere over Kansas because of inbound traffic delays said to be FedEx in good weather.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12175 times:

Posted in a different thread...

www.newfrontierairlines.com


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12110 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 17):
One thought which comes to mind is FedEx and potential inbound and outbound delays at the wrong time of day. I think that is why you will never see scheduled WN metal in MEM. I connected through MEM in 2004 on a 757 NW flight from SEA. Memphis center had the flight deck slow the aircraft down over somewhere over Kansas because of inbound traffic delays said to be FedEx in good weather.

I thought the beauty of these air freight hubs was that they operated the vast bulk of their flights at "off" times vs passenger airlines(??)



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User currently offlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12023 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 18):

www.newfrontierairlines.com

Nice website. I can't wait to see the A330 on SHV-MSY flights  


User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11995 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 13):
Interesting, I am curious as to what tactics Memphis used to make their city look less appealing.

  

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 9):
It was never an official thing so it was not illegal but yes, the city made Memphis look very "Ugly" to SWA in order to protect the DL MEM hub.

Oh that's priceless. So Southwest approached MSCAA and said, "We'd like to serve your airport." What exactly do you think MSCAA did? "Well, Southwest, you can fly here, but you're going to get the ticket counters farthest from the security checkpoint and the gates farthest from the restrooms. And no parking spot for the station manager!" It couldn't propose charge Southwest discriminatory rates because that would be against the law. Maybe it falsified economic and demographic data to make the region look like a real dump?

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 17):
One thought which comes to mind is FedEx and potential inbound and outbound delays at the wrong time of day. I think that is why you will never see scheduled WN metal in MEM. I connected through MEM in 2004 on a 757 NW flight from SEA. Memphis center had the flight deck slow the aircraft down over somewhere over Kansas because of inbound traffic delays said to be FedEx in good weather.

You had one flight to MEM in 2004, noticed the plane slowed down over Kansas, and concluded that MEM had massive airspace delays? You seriously think WN is concerned with delays in MEM when it is flying into SFO, PHL, and LGA? In all likelihood, you will see WN metal in MEM next year.

[Edited 2012-10-09 15:25:01]

[Edited 2012-10-09 15:25:55]

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11960 times:

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 20):
Nice website. I can't wait to see the A330 on SHV-MSY flights

Nice paint scheme though. Very Mardi Gras-ish. Beats the pants off of Air Gumbo's vomit plane. 


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 19):

True many banks of flights show up at night on or after 10 PM CST. With that said I've monitored BNA on flight aware on many-many occasions at various times of the day. You can usually see several FedEx flight heading to MEM from somewhere throughout the day. Its actually pretty amazing. I don't monitor MEM often but one night I saw one FedEx flight after another lining up for MEM at or near LIT. I guess they follow the I-40 corridor into MEM



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1525 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 17):
I connected through MEM in 2004

I think 2004 says it all. WN will certainly be in MEM. The 2004 MEM is nothing like 2012.

Quoting neveragain (Reply 21):
you will see WN metal in MEM next year.

100% we will see it.



"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
25 usflyer msp : LOL.. IIRC, for many years MEM was the #1 on-time hub in the country with a 90%+ on-time percentage. MEM has three runways and very little Fedex traf
26 Post contains images mariner : But Delta is. And every time Frontier has encroached on Delta (Northwest) territory, Delta (Northwest) has hit back disproportionately hard. One coul
27 Post contains links neveragain : The most recent Memphis Master Plan (published in 2009-10) looked at the issue of peak-period airfield utilization and whether the airfield could mee
28 Post contains images jporterfi : "All of the markets will pay the same fare to New Orleans, projected at $59 one way based upon current fuel prices" "Alexandria, Baton Rouge, Lafayet
29 Flaps : How does one possibly make MEM look any worse than it really is? The local government and population have done a masterful job already of creating tha
30 Post contains links MSYtristar : I disagree with that. Pride Air was started not long after the oil bust in the city. It was probably the worst time for something like that to take p
31 slcdeltarumd11 : This is kind of a crazy idea but lets be honest here Republic is going to spin this airline off as a loss they would sell it to these people at a grea
32 MSYtristar : Out of the cities you listed, SLC is served by DL, but none of the others are. Also on the route map of currently served cities SFO isn't listed so I
33 slcdeltarumd11 : There is certainly no doubt if its real Republic hasnt already reached out to them. Clearly a sale would be the loose the least amount of money for R
34 Flaps : In order for this to be successful F9 would have to rely heavily on regional and local O&D. They would have to provide something different enough
35 mariner : When has anyone - especially Republic - ever suggested that they are going to spin Frontier off at a loss? mariner[Edited 2012-10-09 18:24:46]
36 RyanairGuru : If that's the case then I'm sure DL would be willing to sell Comair's certificate. It would give them a piece of paper without the liabilities attach
37 airliner371 : The way I interpreted the sentence, he is saying the entire F9 investment will be sold as a loss to Republic. Overall, even if F9 is making a profit
38 NWADTWE16 : This IS the most rediculous thing ive ever seen! When i was like 11 i created my own fantasy airline and i drafted documents like this. I could dream
39 mariner : How so? The basis of the separation is the FAPA agreement of Spring 2011, in which Republic agreed to take a minority holding in Frontier. The amount
40 panpan : There's no shortage of stupid ideas in louisiana. Maybe the new airline will go to the new airport they want to build in the bayou.
41 ItalianFlyer : WOW....I am not even 1/3 into the proposal and there are some wildly optimistic (and some logically questionable) assumptions baked into this proposal
42 MSYtristar : They shelved that idea about five years ago. Wetland conservation groups weren't exactly in favor.
43 PHX787 : Oh wow, I have no idea what they're planning on doing with this. Are these International flights? Domestic flights? Are they merging with F9? How did
44 MSYtristar : Makes for entertaining reading though right? They put a lot of work into this, I'll give them that.
45 airliner371 : What he is saying is Republic when it sells, spins off or whatever they decide to do, will have lost more money on F9 then it is made. Thus, Frontier
46 mariner : That isn't my interpretation of it at all. BB has always said - and told the staff - that Republic will make its money when there is an IPO of the sp
47 mtnwest1979 : Maybe Republic can sell Frontier to folks trying New PEOPLExpress to get going. That'd be kind of funny for people that know why. Full circle lol
48 HPRamper : Actually, MSY is not in a terrible location as an East-West connecting hub. Probably better even than IAH. Of course, F9 would have to completely aba
49 Post contains links mariner : Why? Frontier is presently flying profitably at DEN. In Q2, Frontier was the largest contributor - $14 million - to the Republic profit. http://www.b
50 airliner371 : A profit is always good but $14 Million is nothing to be basing anything on. I think we need to wait at least 2 more profitable quarters of more then
51 irelayer : Sorry I know this is not the same thing...but doesn't Dallas have an anti-WN policy...or rather, AA? I mean it's essentially the same thing. -IR
52 Post contains images mariner : Indeed. But it's a darn sight better than the thirty million dollar loss in the same quarter of the previous year. A $50 million turnaround ain't cho
53 boeing727 : Maybe F9 CEO David Siegel is just having a little fun with the aviation world considering that S tephanie r IEGEL wrote the article. Boeing727
54 jetmatt777 : No. The Wright Amendment prohibits flying from Love Field to non-Wright protected (if you will) airports on equipment larger than 50 seats (correct m
55 AS739BSI : The City of Dallas and the Wright Amendment. That should be illegal but isn't.
56 jetmatt777 : See my above post. The WA would be illegal if it stated: "Hereby, Southwest Airlines is prohibited from utilizing equipment larger than 50 seats out
57 Deltal1011man : not completely true. Compass Airlines is IIRC using the Flyi/ACA AOC.
58 panpan : I know, I know. I'm teasing. But it's all so louisiana. I think what it makes it so much so is that well all know that at the end of these crazy idea
59 slcdeltarumd11 : Maybe we have a misunderstanding. You think Republic can make more selling Frontier right now then they paid for it and all the money they spent on i
60 mariner : Not right now, no, I don't think that. But since they're not selling it right now (barring some amazing and unlikely offer) I don't see that it appli
61 jporterfi : Why do you think it is better than IAH (keeping in mind the hubs of other airlines in the area)? Are you referring to MSY or another airport/region?
62 bjorn14 : It might be if you're only talking CONUS but I think its in a perfect spot for a Latin American gateway. So burgeoning that the local fish wrap maker
63 neveragain : Must be all of that originating traffic from LCH going to JAX currently backtracking through IAH. Perish (or since we're talking about Louisiana, par
64 Post contains links MSYtristar : That's been a big controversy. The owner of the Saints/Hornets offered to buy the paper from the NYC-based company that owns it to continue the daily
65 Post contains images capitalflyer : I love the "photo" of Dulles. That's a great looking terminal, wonder where it is? Maybe that is the new United terminal?
66 GentFromAlaska : No conclusion; the flight deck announced it. Yep, for the very same reason WN told OAK to move them to the terminal closest to the run-way, which act
67 ATWZW170 : The pictures are of the IND terminal. Ok - is Mike Boyd going to respond since his name is in the info? I wonder if he changed his mind as to whether
68 AVLAirlineFreq : Ahhh, the impossible dream of the MSY hub, like the myths of Atlantis, the Loch Ness Monster, and Bigfoot, just never seems to die. Cue the music from
69 Post contains links MSYtristar : Hot off the presses. Apparently the plans were presented to the Regional Planning Commission yesterday. Includes a statement from the Mayor's office (
70 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : On second thought the investor group may be on to something in that there would be no direct competition in Louisiana from http://www.skyhighairlines
71 neveragain : OK, fair enough. Well, I guess you concluded from your one flight into MEM in 2004 that Southwest would never serve MEM because your plane slowed down
72 azstar : Somehow, I can't envision multiple dailly, packed flights between Monroe, Alexandria, Shreveport, Baton Rouge. Lake Charles, Lafayette & New Orlea
73 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : There's more to it than a single flight. http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/airline-capacity-map.htm Click on Tennessee to see MEM with a signifi
74 PlaneAdmirer : This whole thing is navel gazing. The group that wants to do this wants government money to help fund the move. From the state's and city's perspectiv
75 neveragain : Yikes. You don't think this has anything to do with DL pulling down the hub in MEM, affecting connecting traffic without affecting originating traffi
76 PHX787 : You are right I was only thinking about the lower 48 but since this start up is gonna use 330s I think you may be right about a Latin getaway
77 airliner371 : And 99.9% of that is Delta hub cuts. How can you have doubts when the airlines has said they are coming. Even without that because yes they lie some
78 william : They plan on keeping the hub in Denver as a western hub but open up an eastern hub in New Orleans.
79 azstar : What "hub" will they have left in DEN? They're reducing frequencies dramatically and discontinuing a LOT of service there.
80 gustywinds : I would'nt expect anything but negative from you. F9 will still have service from DEN to ABQ, ANC, ATL, AUS, AZA, BIL, BIS, BLI, BMI, BNA, BZN, CLE,
81 azstar : Nope. Two to three flights a week to a destination, or one daily flight do not count as a hub to me. Call me crazy. And BTW, I could be wrong, but I
82 gustywinds : You're crazy? I forgot to add SBN and JAC.
83 neveragain : 4Q 2012 year-over-year seat capacity changes by airline at DEN: UA: +1.3% (including CO in 4Q 2011) WN: +9.2% F9: -5.6% All other: +9.1% (95% attribu
84 azstar : Ha Ha! Frontier employees are so cute when they're angry. Don't pay any more attention to me. Carry on.[Edited 2012-10-10 10:39:52]
85 kingcavalier : You are absolutely wrong. These cities aren't going anywhere. SNA is reducing from 4 to 3. SBA will see the Airbus. PHF is going daily. Maybe you are
86 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The RITA T-100 data supports DL as a contributing factor of the 18.1 decrease at MEM. Looking back three years, 2010, 2011 and 2012 using the domesti
87 airliner371 : What are you talking about? WN/FL serves MEM-ATL
88 airliner371 : Is G4 even an airline? This doesn't make sense at all.
89 neveragain : T100 consists of enplaned (originating AND connecting) passenger data, not just originating. Domestic O&D at MEM for 2011 is down 11.4% since its
90 Post contains images mariner : If that is your definition of "hub" then the sooner Frontier "de-hubs" DEN, the happier I shall be. I yearn for the day that Frontier drops the heavi
91 GentFromAlaska : My bad, I thought they had pulled the plugged this year just as they did at TYS. Then FL figures for 2012 would be a significant factor of the 18.1 d
92 airliner371 : I am confused now. Are you saying WN won't ever takeover MEM from AirTran and that MEM will be cut?
93 GentFromAlaska : To clarify the figures I cited above are the T-100 data flight/airframe data at MEM not passenger data. specific passenger data is available in anoth
94 usflyguy : You have a history of looking for/posting negative comments regarding WN/FL. I think MEM will end up with MEM-ATL, MEM-MDW, MEM-HOU, MEM-BWI, and MEM
95 GentFromAlaska : No, I have no crystal ball nor do I work for either company. I do know a little about MEM though. As a WN stockholder, WN and FL as of today remain t
96 GentFromAlaska : That couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm a fan of WN. You have to remember reading or writing on any social media site is impersonal. Its all sub
97 Bobloblaw : To a potential competitor????
98 HPRamper : Not as far south. I'm not concerned with where hubs of other airlines are because passengers vote based on price, not who else is hubbed nearby. Eith
99 Post contains links MSYtristar : For what it's worth, the city of New Orleans has its doubts about this proposal...as does the director of the airport. Nice, detailed article. http://
100 mariner : Agreed, it's a good piece. Perhaps the missing element from the plan is this - since the plan rests on buying Frontier, you'd think they would have a
101 MSYtristar : Yeah, very strange. I agree with the Frontier CorpComm when it stated that it's unusual for a website to be created when no contact has been made.
102 AIRLINEWATCHER1 : Would the airline move the hub to MSY, or would it have a dual hub setup in DEN and MSY? I have my doubts that a single hub in MSY is feasible. A smal
103 NASCARAirforce : You guys realize that newfrontier website is a joke right? Its a paper airline created for some Embry Riddle Student majoring in Airline Management re
104 mtnwest1979 : LOL I thought it was just a Thai pic with the orchid removed. About as bad.
105 Post contains links neveragain : How ironic you say that, after claiming MSY is almost directly east of IAH, they're at the same degree and minute of latitude. http://www.gcmap.com/m
106 HPRamper : Location of a hub might not matter to passengers, but it matters to the airline that has to pay for the fuel based on average stage length. My bad. I
107 MSYtristar : There is...namely to the Central American nations. Not as much to Panama and Costa Rica, but there has always been a decent amount of traffic to El S
108 neveragain : No worries, if anything it proves the point that from a geographic perspective, MSY is no worse of a location for a hub than IAH. Volume and yield wo
109 enilria : This would be an unmitigated disaster (see Pride Air, Muse Air, etc.). I'm sure BB will take the deal, however. Pray this dies before BB signs any pa
110 GentFromAlaska : Depending of the time of year,It does for me. AA on numerous occasions offered me a SEA-DFW-DCA or SEA-DFW-BOS routing when I was able to connect thr
111 neveragain : They most certainly are.
112 MSYtristar : PrideAir had 16 flights a day from MSY at its peak with 727-100's and -200's during a really poor time, economically, for New Orleans and the entire
113 GentFromAlaska : I stand corrected.
114 Post contains images mariner : What deal? The prime mover, John Miller, doesn't have the money, can't get state support and hasn't even rung BB to say g'day. Oh - and Mike Boyd is
115 NWADTWE16 : I think F9 should sue or do whatever is needed to get this page down ASAP...its rediculous that some student could create something like this in the f
116 NASCARAirforce : If it fooled several people on airliners.net thinking it was legit, who knows how many people totaily clueless about the airline industry it would fo
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AM Applies "to Fly" To DEN, MSY posted Wed Nov 26 2008 18:31:44 by MAH4546
Teamsters Respond To F9 Attempt To Cxl Contract posted Tue Sep 23 2008 06:12:40 by Enilria
AA/Martinair Partner Up To BGI, MSY, MCO, Others posted Thu Sep 11 2008 17:39:24 by MAH4546
AA Eagle To Add ORD-MSY; Ted To Fly MSY-IAD posted Fri Jun 27 2008 19:03:23 by MSYtristar
DL To Upgrade MSY Capacity posted Sun May 25 2008 04:44:32 by MSYtristar
F9 Service To BZN And MSO posted Sun May 4 2008 13:24:14 by Clickhappy
DL To Start MSY-BOS Saturday Nonstop Service posted Thu Nov 8 2007 05:13:46 by MSYtristar
Next U.S Airline To Serve MSY posted Wed Sep 19 2007 03:43:45 by MSYtristar