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Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership  
User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Just came across some information that looks like RP is not going anywhere for a little while. Starting December 21st, RP will fly the 44-seat ERJ-140 out of DTW to AZO, LAN, PLN, SDF, TVC, and YOW (TVC on the 22nd and LAN on the 23rd). Obviously since this info is not really out yet, can't say where I got if from but I thought this was interesting nonetheless. Anyone else heard about this or know more?

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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Well, it would make some sense to have some "smaller" lift to these cities. I imagine we'd see some in MN as well...

But until I see it on DLNet or from RAH I'm not going to believe it. Sorry...



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User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

I thought the E140s were only used for AA out of ORD... I wasn't aware that they had anymore.

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

They're loaded in the schedules. Just look on delta.com.


Hey Swifty
User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Getting out of the 50 seat market and heading into the 44 seat market!

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4601 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 4):
Getting out of the 50 seat market and heading into the 44 seat market!

At some point they'll realize getting out of the prop business probably wasn't the smartest thing considering a lot of these short haul routes from DTW.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

Somehow, I don't think that FWA will see them with the 9E MX base here, even though it's also a very short hop between FWA and DTW. Almost all the DL flying at FWA is 9E, with some EV thrown in at times, and 9E RONs 3 (IIRC) CR2s at FWA for MX and would like to work on more.

Granted, with Chapter 11 for 9E, there will be changes, but at last check, 9E is committed to keeping the FWA MX base open. In fact, 9E is partnering with Ivy Tech Community College to hire mechanics from their SMD (Smith Field) MX school. Which means that if 9E gets a share of the new 76-seat DCI flying (and I think they will get at least part of it with DL at the helm of the creditors), a lot of those planes will end up at FWA.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 5):
At some point they'll realize getting out of the prop business probably wasn't the smartest thing considering a lot of these short haul routes from DTW.

  

FWA-DTW was flown by a mix of turboprops and jets for years. Toward the end of the XJ SAAB fleet's service at FWA, one or two of the five daily FWA-DTW flights was on a SAAB (usually the lower-volume flights), with the other 3 or 4 flights on 9E CR2s. FWA-MSP has always been operated on a CR2, and FWA-ATL has used CR2s ever since DL mainline was discontinued at FWA (though the CR7 was used briefly when it first entered the DCI system).

In an ideal world, the Q400 or the AT7 would be the perfect planes for routes like FWA-DTW. If Colgan were still around and if DL didn't have propophobia, we could have seen Pinnacle/Colgan add the Q400 to the DL Connection fleet and add a Q400 MX line at FWA.

Quoting XJET (Reply 2):

I thought the E140s were only used for AA out of ORD... I wasn't aware that they had anymore.

Most likely, RP is cutting back on ERD flying for AA with the addition of OO and EV to the Eagle network.

[Edited 2012-10-10 11:05:46]


"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinejblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

RP flies to LAN right now. The 6am departure today was a RP plane, no need to wait til December.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Quoting jblake1 (Reply 7):
RP flies to LAN right now. The 6am departure today was a RP plane, no need to wait til December.

Was it an ERJ-145 or an ERJ-140? RP flies the ER4 for DL right now.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

The RP/AA contract for 15 ERDs runs out in February and it seems AA is not going to be extending it. It will be interesting to see how many ERDs DL wants to take and for how long. I don't like the fact that DL is coding these planes as ER4s. Don't know why they couldn't just use ERD to avoid confusion.


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User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 1):
But until I see it on DLNet or from RAH I'm not going to believe it. Sorry...

Apparently it's out so I hope delta.com makes you a believer...

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 5):
At some point they'll realize getting out of the prop business probably wasn't the smartest thing considering a lot of these short haul routes from DTW.

I agree but I think that this is "Delta's thing" to differentiate itself from the competition. Sorta how OH marketed jet service with the introduction of the CRJ, except no props whatsoever.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Somehow, I don't think that FWA will see them with the 9E MX base here

I didn't see FWA on the schedule, maybe I missed it.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 9):
The RP/AA contract for 15 ERDs runs out in February and it seems AA is not going to be extending it. It will be interesting to see how many ERDs DL wants to take and for how long.

I was wondering myself how many will actually make it over. It will be very interesting to see how many small RJs stay with DL. I see this as more CRJs or ERJs exiting the fleet that expected to stay below the new pilot contract cap.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Is this the "narrowbody" fleet addition in December that FlyASAguy eluded to the other day in a different thread?

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4601 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 10):
I agree but I think that this is "Delta's thing" to differentiate itself from the competition. Sorta how OH marketed jet service with the introduction of the CRJ, except no props whatsoever.

True...but we've seen how well RJ operations have been doing lately.  

I just see Alaska/Horizon going to crazy out west with the Q400s and just wish someone would take that model back east into the Midwest.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):

Assuming he and I were talking about the same thing in that thread, yes.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

I guess the price must've been right. I'm sure DL has no problem with 50/44 seaters... just expensive 50/44 seaters. What are RP's costs like? I'm guessing they'd be pretty low. DL just dumped a bunch of 50 seat flying, planning on dumping more. Can't see why they'd add 44 seaters unless they got a good deal or something


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 4):
Getting out of the 50 seat market and heading into the 44 seat market!

I'll take an E-jet of ANY size over an CRJ (not CR7 or CR9) any day of the week.



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User currently offlinefjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Don't see it in delta.com... most of the routes were listed as Pinnacle CRJ's


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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9449 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

ahh once again find ways around DALPA's section 1. I bet ALPA never saw it coming. smh.


yep.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

Quoting fjnovak1 (Reply 16):
Don't see it in delta.com... most of the routes were listed as Pinnacle CRJ's

Looking at weekdays in January, I was able to find the 44 seaters.

Schedule shows a ERJ-145 however seat maps show 44 seaters.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
Is this the "narrowbody" fleet addition in December that FlyASAguy eluded to the other day in a different thread?



LOL yes.

I kept saying it wasn't earth shattering...



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9449 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):

and it wasn't that narrow body 764. Shame   



yep.
User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Somehow, I don't think that FWA will see them with the 9E MX base here, even though it's also a very short hop between FWA and DTW. Almost all the DL flying at FWA is 9E, with some EV thrown in at times, and 9E RONs 3 (IIRC) CR2s at FWA for MX and would like to work on more.

Granted, with Chapter 11 for 9E, there will be changes, but at last check, 9E is committed to keeping the FWA MX base open. In fact, 9E is partnering with Ivy Tech Community College to hire mechanics from their SMD (Smith Field) MX school. Which means that if 9E gets a share of the new 76-seat DCI flying (and I think they will get at least part of it with DL at the helm of the creditors), a lot of those planes will end up at FWA.

I'm trying to find the post where someone asked if these planes would be going to FWA, or whether 9E was going to its FWA maintenance base open, but alas, I can't find it. It's almost as if the world revolves around FWA, and the world never noticed it.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4601 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 21):
I'm trying to find the post where someone asked if these planes would be going to FWA, or whether 9E was going to its FWA maintenance base open, but alas, I can't find it. It's almost as if the world revolves around FWA, and the world never noticed it.

You mean it doesn't?   Someone is just supportive of their hometown, nothing wrong with that. Though it does get annoying when it is done in spite of other communities.


User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2034 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
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Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 12):
I just see Alaska/Horizon going to crazy out west with the Q400s and just wish someone would take that model back east into the Midwest.

That would be nice, and it would be even better if they were operated by Horizon. But I digress.

It'll be nice to see some Delta ERJ's in the area again though.


User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 17):
ahh once again find ways around DALPA's section 1. I bet ALPA never saw it coming. smh.

Actually, the PWA with the pilots allows for exactly this operation as it's own cutout. (9 E140's operated by RP or S5). They knew it was coming.

c. one of up to nine aircraft operated under a prorate agreement with Chautauqua
Airlines or Shuttle America Corporation, configured with 44 or fewer passenger seats
and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 65,000
or fewer pounds, and



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Thread starter):
Starting December 21st

The date will most likely be pushed back by a week or 2.



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