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Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?  
User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10374 times:

Hi,

As reported back in August Virgin are starting domestic flights next March in the UK with A319s.

I read somewhere these will be wet leased but are these going to wear Virgin livery and if they do will they be branded Virgin UK, Domestic or keep the Atlantic brand?

Does any one know how many buses they are to receive too and who the aircraft will be leased from?

Cheers

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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5190 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Thread starter):

I read somewhere these will be wet leased but are these going to wear Virgin livery and if they do will they be branded Virgin UK, Domestic or keep the Atlantic brand?

They will wear the Virgin Atlantic livery.

Quoting bluesky73 (Thread starter):

Does any one know how many buses they are to receive too and who the aircraft will be leased from?

So far it is just one for the MAN-LHR operation but this could be expanded if they get the ABZ/EDI slots in December.

No word on the wet lease provider just yet.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10122 times:
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Quoting anstar (Reply 1):
So far it is just one for the MAN-LHR operation but

It's meant to be 2 and both are to be based at MAN.


User currently offlinefruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

Now that the government have back-tracked on awarding the west coast franchise, will Virgin still be going ahead with this plan should they retain the operation of this line? Or are the two businesses totally separate and share branding only?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19810845



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9935 times:
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totally separate. They are concerned that the feed they were getting ex-BD will disappear and the lack of competition on MAN-LHR

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):
They are concerned that the feed they were getting ex-BD

My understanding is that BA codeshare, is it such a problem.


User currently offlinefruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):

totally separate. They are concerned that the feed they were getting ex-BD will disappear and the lack of competition on MAN-LHR

Ok thanks. Interesting coincidence of timing then!



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9469 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 5):

"“Our aim is to reach a significant new base of both direct and connecting passengers,” VS CEO Steve Ridgway said. VS hopes to use the services, at least partially, as feeders for its long-haul services"


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9461 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 1):

No word on the wet lease provider just yet.

Really? I seem to remember that Cyprus Airways was mentioned as the source of the aircraft.


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9444 times:

It will deffo feed the long haul, with both crew and passengers


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User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9278 times:

Thanks for updates, it will certainly be interesting to see how they get on with the MAN route and if they get the go ahead for ABZ/EDI in December.

Also good to see A319s in Virgin Atlantic livery especially as the BMI buses are gradually disappearing.

I just wonder how SRB will market this for next year.....


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 806 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9188 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 8):
I seem to remember that Cyprus Airways was mentioned as the source of the aircraft.

That would make sense as apparently Cyprus Airways had to return two LHR slots leased from VS to allow the new MAN service to start. Maybe leasing a couple of spare A319s from Cyprus Airways is, to a degree, compensation for surrendering the slots.


User currently offlinef4f3a From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7462 times:

I have heard a rumour that SAS aircraft were being wet leased.
Although I would have thought Cyprus would be cheaper.
Another option I would have thought would be monarch. They are moving
into short haul scheduled only ops, this would be good for both airlines and allow for expansion.


User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1283 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Quoting f4f3a (Reply 12):
Another option I would have thought would be monarch.

Could be as VS have been/will be leasing one of their A333's to Monarch.



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Monarch don't have any A319's. What's your source for VS leasing an A333 to ZB ?? 1st I've heard about this.

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 14):
Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 13):
leasing one of their A333's to Monarch

a short lease to cover maintenance of theirs ? Thought all VS A330's were now spoken for


User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 13):

VS aren't leasing an A333 to monarch, they're just doing a few weekly charters to MCO for them.



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User currently onlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 16):

Don't Monarch fly to SFB rather than MCO?


User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 17):

Yes, but the charters are going to MCO. Probably because VS have a significant operation at MCO so the cost would be much lower, and the difference to the customer is, if anything, a positive one due to MCO's slightly more preferable location.



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineantonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

I think if Branson gets the train licence for another 5 or 10 years he will ditch the MAN-LHR flights
I can't see him making any money flying 3 x a day just to try and feed his longhaul flights
he will probably blame the whole mess on BA or the government when he loses a load of money running half full planes to MAN.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

but the plan is to share the aircraft on a W- pattern with the potentially more lucrative ABZ /EDI (As the train time is longer), so to add MAN (where the aircraft would be based) is just an add on allowing 3 extra flights.
Can't really see why WCM would have an impact as the idea was first mooted way before he lost the contract for rail


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting antonovman (Reply 19):
I can't see him making any money flying 3 x a day just to try and feed his longhaul flights

But the flights won't just feed VS' long-haul services ex-LHR. VS will be selling some of the seats to non-Oneworld carriers who would prefer not to use BA as a domestic feeder carrier and, of course, the VS domestic flights will be using a more convenient terminal at LHR.


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