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Breaking: Syrian Airliner Forced Landing In Turkey  
User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20318 times:

Details are sketchy but the BBC are breaking a story that a Syrian passenger plane has been forced to land in Turkey after being intercepted by air force jets.

Al Jazeera is reporting that the aircraft involved is an A320 en route from Moscow:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/10/201210101804010971.html

Details to follow, I'm sure.


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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1278 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20315 times:

Suspected of carrying heavy weapons eh? Imagine that. Good for Turkey, I'm glad to see a country stand up for itself in this region.

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20228 times:

Good to see Turkey taking a major leadership role in this ugly war, and i am glad they are getting global support for their responsive actions.

Hope its all oke, but i must admit im surprised to read that Syrian Airways is still active.


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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 20062 times:

It will be interesting to see if Syrian Air is carrying arms on passenger flights. I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey makes whatever they find on that plane very public. This could result in Syrian Air running into some problems with various conventions and ICAO regulations. Turkey has the right to force down any airplane suspected of carrying suspect cargo in its air space. Countries like Thailand have forced down airplanes from countries like North Korea before.

Syrian air has already been banned from the European Union. This won't help them getting re-instated.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7578 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 19987 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 1):
Suspected of carrying heavy weapons eh? Imagine that. Good for Turkey, I'm glad to see a country stand up for itself in this region.

About dang time. This is nuts, the EU and the UN are gonna have a field day with this one.



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User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 19853 times:

Not sure whether it is suspected of carrying arms or not but it appears that Turkey has closed its airspace to all civilian flights to and from Syria.

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19706 times:

Wow, this is crazy. I can't imagine the outcome if they really do find any weapons on that flight. Military cargo on a civilian airliner. This will be a major thing. Could this be a turning point in the war?

Soren   



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19577 times:

The A 320 from Moscow (Vnukovo) is in ESB (Ankara) right now and the belly is being unloaded as we speak. They are searching for weapons...

On related news, Turkish registered airplanes are no longer flying through Syrian airspace as it has become unsafe to do so... This should be interesting which so many middle eastern flights are routed over Syria...



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7578 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19060 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 7):
On related news, Turkish registered airplanes are no longer flying through Syrian airspace as it has become unsafe to do so... This should be interesting which so many middle eastern flights are routed over Syria...

That's interesting. Maybe they're flying south over the Holy Land/Jordan?



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinefd122 From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Mar 2008, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18928 times:

Word is that Turkish officials have seized 'suspicious' cargo, possibly missile parts. Will be interesting to see how this develops, if true.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/10/243011.html


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18847 times:

Better photo via DPA (German Press Agency)

http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-411360-galleryV9-utnv.jpg

Seems to be YK-AKE.


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Soren   



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User currently offlineFaddypainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18839 times:

Do things such as the Chicago Convention (to which Syria is a signatory) actually have any legal authority or provision for penalties against states which violate it?

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18123 times:
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Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 11):
Do things such as the Chicago Convention (to which Syria is a signatory) actually have any legal authority or provision for penalties against states which violate it?

The CC has very little to do with this particular situation, other than effectively saying that Turkey has the right to do what it deems necessary in its own airspace.



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User currently offlineSenchingo From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17676 times:

Smart move to get their own flights out of Syrian airspace right before doing that. Nevertheless i guess this is gonna cause major trouble soon.

If really weapons are found, i hope it'll be the final reason for other states to back up Turkey.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17597 times:

Acting on intel? Did someone have an inside contact at Moscow?

User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17544 times:

The BBC is reporting that Military communication devices have been confiscated and the plane and its 35 passengers has been given permission to leave.

User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17479 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 10):
Seems to be YK-AKE.

Not a good month for Syrian Airlines. Last month YK-AKF had its tail clipped by a helicopter.

Quoting sweair (Reply 14):
Did someone have an inside contact at Moscow?

IMO its more likely someone in the know from the Syrian Intelligence service defected to Turkey and gave away some secrets.



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User currently offlineSenchingo From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17320 times:

German "Spiegel" reports that Turkish secretary of state said "further passenger flights will be forced to land".
On Monday, Turkish military stationed 25 F-16's near Syrian borders.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...flugzeug-zur-landung-a-860627.html

Edit:
AV Herald now covering it:
"Some Turkish media report, without providing details or sources of such information, that no weapons and no ammunition was found, however, a large shipment of communication equipment for military purposes was identified. Other Turkish media report, also without providing details or sources of that information, parts for missiles were found on board of the aircraft."

http://avherald.com/h?article=45737b13&opt=0

[Edited 2012-10-10 15:53:07]

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16630 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
This is nuts, the EU and the UN are gonna have a field day with this one.

Then they will do nothing, as usual. Now the question becomes, who were to receive this military equipment in Syria? The government or the rebels? A far as I can see, neither side is one I would support after what has happened to us after helping in Lybia.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3264 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16541 times:

I would guess that an agency "whispered" in a Turkish ear that they might find something of interest.   


Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
Then they will do nothing, as usual.

Have to agree there, do not see light at the end of the tunnel yet.  



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16015 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
Now the question becomes, who were to receive this military equipment in Syria? The government or the rebels?

Seeing that this flight originated from Moscow and Russia strongly backs the Syrian government, I'd say the Syrian government



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User currently offlinesuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15385 times:

My question is this: if (not saying he/she was, just if) a pilot for Syrian Air were in on this, what would really stop them from just continuing to fly to Syria. Do we really think a Turkish F-16 would shoot down a passenger plane on the suspicion of arms trading? There is no way any military would shoot down a passenger plane in circumstance where they weren't certain there wasn't a WMD (nuclear, biological, etc...) on board.

Not saying I would do it, but it would be interesting to see what happened if the pilot called their bluff.



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15258 times:
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Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 20):
If the rebels win all the sects that support the regime will be massacred

Can you give us the source of such information? As far as i know all the different groups of rebels stated that no harm will come to the Alawites as even them are suffering under Assad regime.



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15218 times:

Update from BBC is the cargo was "military communications devices" which are hardly in the same category as arms IMO, though of course the Turks were not to know but nonetheless its sad that Russia continue to support and thereby prolong the madness.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19905247

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quote=MauriceB,reply=2] i must admit im surprised to read that Syrian Airways is still active.[/quote] Probably still active for the purpose of carrying out flights like this  



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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14294 times:

hmm, 35 pax, that is on a 2 class A320, that is like a 25% LF, guess the cargo made up for it?

25 sturmovik : That's an interesting scenario. Turning that around, perhaps the reason the pilot complied with the interception was because he knew there was nothin
26 BMI727 : I'd say they are. In the US there is the United State Munitions List which governs what can and cannot be exported under ITAR which specifically incl
27 JA : Considering that the integrity of the Syrian military is critical to Turkey's stability, I would be real careful touching anything Russian. Unless, of
28 bushman : Here in Moscow we have Syrian Air Il-76 coming to Vnukovo airport several times a month. I haven't heard it has ever been intercepted anywhere. It can
29 atcsundevil : No, what sounds like a whisper is actually me screaming from 6,000mi away. LOL. I know there was some evidence that Iran Air may have been shipping a
30 garpd : OK so they only found communications equipment on this flight. But it does set a precedent. So, how many flights have flown before this one with poten
31 Giancavia : The only mistake the Syrians made was sticking it on a Syrian plane. If they shoved it on a Russian Ilyushin or an Antonov I would have love to seen s
32 Pellegrine : Blah blah. NATO is influencing Turkey to act with restraint. This situation is far more complicated than anyone thinks.
33 Post contains images jumpjets : Except you oh wise one by the sound of it
34 pvjin : What bad happened? Yes some small extremist group attacked your embassy and killed some people, so what? It's no reason not to help also in Syria.
35 Giancavia : Yeah he has some inside info from the land of lala that the rest of us are not allowed to know. It isnt complicated at all, Dictator.. random cluster
36 bobnwa : You don't think that military cargo doesn't fly on civilian airlines in the US and western Europe every day?
37 Giancavia : Wasn't even anything spectacular. Just some comms equiptment.
38 EL-AL : The hypocrisy is unbelievable. All hell would break loose if Israel would have forced an civilian airliner flying from one country to another to land
39 EagleBoy : A military transport is expected to carry military equipment. Any IL-76 making the trip would be filed as military. Turkey could in theory prevent ov
40 Post contains links flyingturtle : Israel has already done that - December 12, 1954. (And worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Arab_Airlines_Flight_114) David[Edited 2012-10-11 0
41 PanHAM : Of course civilian airliners carry some sort of military goods on a daily basis. As long as the export or import is not prohoibited in the countries c
42 Giancavia : You are in for a surprise if you think Civilian Aircraft do not fly Military equiptment. Especially things such as Communications Equiptment. I doubt
43 JumboJim747 : I cant see a professional pilot captain in charge of an airliner willing to carry weapons on his plane and risk the safety of his plane and passengers
44 Post contains images yowza : Since the thread starter is not a Turk and since Turkey - more than other countries in the region - takes a back seat with a lot of Israeli affairs I
45 PanHAM : Depends on the airline and the country that pilot works in. A dictatorship like syria leaves little choice if youwant to keep your status, your house
46 TK787 : Milliyet, a Turkish newspaper reports; according to the Russian customs officials speaking to the Russian Izvestia newspaper that the plane flew from
47 Ychocky : If such cargo is cargo is loaded surreptitiously then the captain wouldn't have much of a say in the matter. I'm sure cargo manifests can be amended
48 bikerthai : You can argue that the communication equipment is actually more lethal than any bomb or missile. Specially if the communication equipment is radio us
49 PanHAM : well, again, an airline of a dictatorship like Syria does not even need the phantasy smugglers might have when they declare weapons as "agricultural
50 TK787 : Another piece of info; When the plane was still over the Black Sea, it was given a chance to turn around and fly back to Moscow, when refused, it was
51 Aesma : Well unfriendly groups don't state anything. A terrorist cell was just discovered in France, they were planning bombings in France and then go on to
52 Post contains images Giancavia : Yikes.. Dont quote me as saying that I am not so naive.
53 Giancavia : Like I said the only mistake they made was sticking the stuff on a Syrian plane insted of a Russian one. Or maybe it wasnt a mistake at all, Focus on
54 lightsaber : If two sides have different communications ability, the side with superior communications is able to defeat the other 'in detail.' Have you ever used
55 Post contains images suseJ772 : I thought so too. Apparently no one besides you and I do
56 Giancavia : The shelling of the border town was a far bigger error then shipping some communication/firearms from Russia to Syria. No doubt flights before and aft
57 Post contains links flipdewaf : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19912534 Apparently munitions were found aboad. Fred
58 OA260 : Not surprised really , very sad state of affairs.
59 pvjin : And more importantly that military stuff would have probably gone to Syrian Army which is being used by the Syrian government to kill innocent civilia
60 Aesma : Well, some would argue it's an US ploy to destroy the EU.
61 Giancavia : Why does Turkey ship arms into Syria then & allow Rebels to use its border as a base to launch attacks from. Foreign Military jet invaded Syrias
62 Newark727 : For all but a few, the Assad regime has reached a point of no return; if it holds out, it will be an even bigger pariah state than before with even f
63 Post contains images lewis : That should include ALL shipments to ALL sides in the Syria conflict. If the Turkish plane was in the airspace of another country then all bets are o
64 PHX787 : Reportedly no armed weapons were on board but some "missile components" and "spy weaponry" were on board. These are apparently not allowed to travel t
65 JoeCanuck : Well, for one reason, part of Turkey is in Europe, none of Syria is...which is entirely beside the point; the EU has made the conditions so onerous t
66 aviateur : I wish the reporters had gotten the airline name correct. It's Syrianair, not "Syrian Air." I sent a letter to AP, but I wouldn't expect a correction.
67 Post contains links and images lightsaber : This we will have to disagree. They are regulated as such for good reason. They are more than useful, they will decide. This I am not happy with what
68 Pellegrine : I don't have any inside info actually. I do not respect people getting passive aggressive on this website. If you want to direct something towards me
69 Pellegrine : There is no hypocrisy because humans are already aware of Isreal's unilateral disrespect towards international convention and the laws of the communi
70 Ty134A : As we are an aviation forum, we should stick aviation as our main topic. Especially if people from countries that are not able to provide broad parts
71 Post contains images bikerthai : For high price/priority items, air is the best way. Syria has a port, but any ship with suspected embargo busting hardware can easily be boarded. You
72 avek00 : Happens every day all over the world.
73 lewis : Recon flights in other countries' airspace? Sure go ahead but at your own risk. It is not as if Syria is a NATO member too and will show any restrain
74 lightsaber : I shouldn't have posted in reply to you. Mea Culpa. This thread is just so polarized, I'm done discussing. Seriously, we're talking Syria. Not exactl
75 Post contains images 9VSIO : Don't they carry them IN THE COCKPIT on some American aircraft?
76 Post contains links Viscount724 : Yes, many U.S. pilots are qualified as "Federal Flight Deck Officers" and keep their weapons in the cockpit. http://www.tsa.gov/stakeholders/federal-
77 garpd : I thought it was well within Turkish Airspace?!
78 Maverick623 : In the US, unless the freight is classified as hazardous materials, the pilots probably won't even know (or care) it's there.
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