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TSA Sinks To An All Time Low  
User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16397 times:

This is straight up embarrassing on the TSA. I feel so bad for this woman...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#...dying-woman-tsa-investigation.komo

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User currently offlinecrapper1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16339 times:

I was at STL this past week and was photographing a WN special paint aircraft. I felt a tug on my neck strap and it was a agent trying to take the bag off me to search it. It does not suprise me that they do this thing. Like any government agency it will never be run right like it should be.

User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16145 times:

Yet another TSA bashing thread. This gets so monotonous. There is always more to the story than sensational headlines. Lets stick to civil aviation.

User currently offlineN747PE From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16132 times:

Careful with the term new all time low. The TSA is commited to going as low and their employesss can. Thank you W. for making such a awful curse that we all have to live with

User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15991 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 2):
Yet another TSA bashing thread. This gets so monotonous. There is always more to the story than sensational headlines. Lets stick to civil aviation.

True, but i saw this, and had to share it.

Quoting N747PE (Reply 3):
Careful with the term new all time low. The TSA is commited to going as low and their employesss can. Thank you W. for making such a awful curse that we all have to live with

Embarassed to say this, I use to work for TSA at LAX, ONT, and PIT. It was a horrible job. Half those peoples "power" goes straight to their heads. I honestly hope one day, the badges get taken away from them.


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15970 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 2):

We don't have to point out TSA faults. They do it just fine all on their own. Not all TSA employees are incompetent, but most are a joke that get an attitude when they wear the uniform.

Quoting N747PE (Reply 3):
Careful with the term new all time low.

Indeed, they've proven they can go lower when we all think they've reached that level. Stay tuned - they'll go lower.



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15946 times:

The TSA has disputed her account of events, but won't elaborate. There's two sides to every story.


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12718 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15928 times:

Quoting crapper1 (Reply 1):
Like any government agency it will never be run right like it should be.

Hmm, the government university system I graduated from was run well enough to get me an excellent education that's served as the foundation of a career that's passing its 30th year and still going strong, with me directly and indirectly producing tax revenues that have paid for that education countless times over.

Personally, I'm glad it was not the University of Phoenix or some other for-profit diploma mill whose focus was on getting me a document that said 'diploma' on it at the maximum profit to themselves.

If you recall, or if you do your homework, it was a conscious decision to create TSA during the GWB era. The cross-party consensus at the time was that airlines and airports with their for-profit focus would be unsuitable as a provider of the increased security that was so obviously needed. It's clear that the TSA can be improved upon and that's what the goal should be, because the underlying premise is still true IMHO.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15847 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 2):
Lets stick to civil aviation


Good point!...their is nothing civil about the little creeps in blue.


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15849 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 2):
Yet another TSA bashing thread. This gets so monotonous.

Then the TSA should stop giving us reasons to bash them ....


User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1357 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15847 times:

Actually, TSA sank to what should have been its all time low a long, long time ago.

It will keep sinking to NEW lows for as long as the lazy US populace, together with its irresponsible media and recalcitrant airlines, allow it to happen.

I've written several columns and articles documenting the farce of TSA concourse security, a few examples of which are truly Kafka-esque.

This example is just one more.

PS

[Edited 2012-10-10 19:02:20]


Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineHOMsAR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15722 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 4):
Embarassed to say this, I use to work for TSA at LAX, ONT, and PIT. It was a horrible job. Half those peoples "power" goes straight to their heads. I honestly hope one day, the badges get taken away from them.

Was just thinking, there was a post in another thread asking why nobody from the TSA ever posts on here. Well, here you go.



I was raised by a cup of coffee.
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15693 times:

Sorry to ruin the party, but I have NEVER had a problem with any TSA employee. I don't fly all over the place, but I hit some pretty major cities:

LGA, JFK, EWR
LAX
ORD
MIA
MSY
PHL
SJU


User currently offlinepicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15513 times:

Quoting N747PE (Reply 3):
Thank you W. for making such a awful curse that we all have to live with

If I remember correctly, W. was opposed to the creation of a federal transportation security agency. Although he buckled under public and political pressure, we really have Congress to thank for that mess.

I have no doubt this post will get me on the no fly list.  


User currently onlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15440 times:

I feel blessed that I never had a run in with the T.S.A. given the amount of flying I've had.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 9):
Then the TSA should stop giving us reasons to bash them ....

  



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User currently offlinedcann40 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15252 times:

Quoting crapper1 (Reply 1):
I was at STL this past week and was photographing a WN special paint aircraft. I felt a tug on my neck strap and it was a agent trying to take the bag off me to search it

And your reaction was?


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15161 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 2):
Lets stick to civil aviation.

What gets tiring is hearing that line in every single TSA thread. Like it or not, TSA is an integral part of civil aviation. If you have a problem with that, hit the little button that says "Suggest Deletion". If the mods agree with you, they will lock the thread.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 6):
The TSA has disputed her account of events, but won't elaborate. There's two sides to every story.

In my experience, when one side refuses to elaborate on a claim, it generally means they're lying.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):

If you recall, or if you do your homework, it was a conscious decision to create TSA during the GWB era. The cross-party consensus at the time was that airlines and airports with their for-profit focus would be unsuitable as a provider of the increased security that was so obviously needed. It's clear that the TSA can be improved upon and that's what the goal should be, because the underlying premise is still true IMHO.

I think the only people who want to go back to the way it was either have a financial interest in security companies or just plain don't remember what it was like. I am in the latter crowd, although several people have explained to me just how bad it was.

Quoting crapper1 (Reply 1):
I felt a tug on my neck strap and it was a agent trying to take the bag off me to search it.

You should've pressed charges. Not even a cop is allowed to do that to you without announcing their presence unless they have a reasonable belief that you are about to commit a crime.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12855 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 2):

Yet another TSA bashing thread. This gets so monotonous. There is always more to the story than sensational headlines. Lets stick to civil aviation.


If you want to stick it to civil aviation, keep the TSA. The whole DHS needs to be abolished.


User currently offlinemd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12504 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
I think the only people who want to go back to the way it was either have a financial interest in security companies or just plain don't remember what it was like. I am in the latter crowd, although several people have explained to me just how bad it was.

Let's go back further to how "good" it was, before everyone starts to think that this security "theater" has always been the norm.

Back in the days (80s) there was no "airside" ... one could enter the airport and walk right up to a gate, take a seat and watch airplanes taxiing around, gate operations, etc with no intention of flying that day. Families could gather 50 feet from where the passengers would leave the jet bridge, and not a half a mile away beyond "security". They could gather and wish their loved one's well and watch them, with tears flowing, until they disappeared 'round the bend on the jet bridge.

Travelers were treated with the utmost respect and reverence, as they should be (being the sole "customer" of passenger airlines) not despicable suspicious wonks one eye blink away from lighting their underwear or shoes on fire. I'm freaking sick of this farce, the weak link in "security" has never been with the customers, it's been everywhere BUT the customers and their belongings. Yet throngs of people go through these "security" checkpoints and literally give their tacit approval to this farce by their continued patronage of the airlines that support it. When will YOU stop flying? When the fabled TASER wristbands are attached to you at the TSA checkpoint? Will you then say "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?

It was not al Queda that utterly ruined my one true love, it was someone else entirely.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12718 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 12171 times:

Quoting aviateur (Reply 10):
I've written several columns and articles documenting the farce of TSA concourse security, a few examples of which are truly Kafka-esque.

Maybe you can write about what corrective processes exist (if any) within the TSA, and if any of these corrective processes have produced results.



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User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11908 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 18):
Travelers were treated with the utmost respect and reverence, as they should be (being the sole "customer" of passenger airlines) not despicable suspicious wonks one eye blink away from lighting their underwear or shoes on fire.

Come on, the security experience sucked long before the 9/11-era. Is it just me, or do people seem to forget what airport security was really like back in the pre-9/11 era? Most checkpoints were manned by contract security personnel that were poorly trained, poorly disciplined, and poorly paid. For example, any flyers here remember when Argenbright handled security at ATL?

Though I too object to some of the indignities that are hard-wired into the security process these days...on balance, I think TSA personnel exhibit a much more professional demeanor than the contract outfits they replaced. Of course there are exceptions, that's what these threads are all about, big picture be damned.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13257 posts, RR: 100
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11554 times:
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Quoting Frostbite (Reply 20):

Come on, the security experience sucked long before the 9/11-era. Is it just me, or do people seem to forget what airport security was really like back in the pre-9/11 era?

Yes. I remember walking family to the gate prior to a flight or greeting friends and relatives as they returned. I could show up at LAX 45 minutes before a flight, check a bag, and make the flight! At small airports (BDL, ICT), most of my friends didn't both showing up until 15 minutes before the flight for a day trip. Walk through and after a quick scan onto the plane.

And somehow with all those people parking at the metered spots traffic was better at LAX with more passengers flying!

Quoting Frostbite (Reply 20):
I think TSA personnel exhibit a much more professional demeanor than the contract outfits they replaced.

Agreed. But when one could lock suitcases, less stuff disappeared. There are two sides.

I personally believe all the security theater is diverting tourism from the USA.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10382 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 2):
Yet another TSA bashing thread. This gets so monotonous. There is always more to the story than sensational headlines. Lets stick to civil aviation.

This is civil aviation, or do you think it should be in another forum?

Quoting aviateur (Reply 10):
Actually, TSA sank to what should have been its all time low a long, long time ago.

They keep digging the hole deeper though...

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):

Sorry to ruin the party, but I have NEVER had a problem with any TSA employee. I don't fly all over the place, but I hit some pretty major cities:

LGA, JFK, EWR
LAX
ORD
MIA
MSY
PHL
SJU

I agree with you, I fly all the time and find that there is rarely an issue at the airports I use. I have never personally encountered any issues with the TSA. I find the ones in Hawaii very pleasant and they do their jobs with professionalism and dignity for the passengers. I take these isolated incidents and put them in my mind, but really on a day to day basis, they are just doing their jobs, most are able to do it without there being any issues and on occasions there might be a problem, but generally they are doing the governments bidding in a professional manner. Granted they don't enhance security but do give the impression that they are "keeping you safe" through the biggest waste of money the government can do on an on going basis.



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User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
I agree with you, I fly all the time and find that there is rarely an issue at the airports I use. I have never personally encountered any issues with the TSA. I find the ones in Hawaii very pleasant and they do their jobs with professionalism and dignity for the passengers. I take these isolated incidents and put them in my mind, but really on a day to day basis, they are just doing their jobs, most are able to do it without there being any issues and on occasions there might be a problem, but generally they are doing the governments bidding in a professional manner. Granted they don't enhance security but do give the impression that they are "keeping you safe" through the biggest waste of money the government can do on an on going basis.

I've never had any issues at all either. In fact, I've made notes of employees in DEN, COS, and SEA who were very outgoing and kind. And many times they are more friendly than FAs on some US legacy carriers... I will admit a few airports (ORD, ATL) where the TSA agents have been a bit cold, but still nothing unprofessional.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

Those who defend TSA in every thread are they perhaps employed by TSA or tools of the government?

25 g1zmonc : TSA can not possibly sink to new LOWS, they are already there, I try to tolerate them, recently I took a reburfished computer to my x , I was worried
26 Revelation : So, you're suggesting it's that simple a problem with that simple a motivation?
27 gsoflyer : It's really no different than Police or the like. Most are generally polite and are just working to the end of their day doing there job. But, people
28 Flighty : The airline passenger bill of rights should limit what TSA is allowed to do. Let them search pax and their bags for weapons and explosive devices. Tha
29 SmittyOne : I'm not a security guru but this might not be as dumb as you think. 'Sniffing' the things that you handle a lot (wallet/keys) has a better chance of
30 JHCRJ700 : Where may I find them? I'd love to read them. (No sarcasm here I would actually really like to read them). And there my friend is the problem. They w
31 N62NA : I don't know if you are referring to me or not - I'm not aware that I have "defended TSA in every thread" - but when I see an entire group of people
32 canadianpylon : If the TSA would stop giving us reasons to bash them, then we could discuss other facets of civil aviation. I have to admit that reading yet another
33 Post contains images flyingturtle : I was that guy. In a community like this one, there is always room for a repentant sinner. David[Edited 2012-10-11 14:28:29]
34 Bobloblaw : Well there was security in airport beginning about 1971-72. Up until 9-12-2001 many airport allowed non-passengers to go to that gate. I dont see why
35 JHCRJ700 : Some of my fondest childhood memories were when my parents would take me to the airport and literally let me lead them around walking from gate to ga
36 skywaymanaz : I'm amused reading so many people have never had issues with TSA. I experienced 10 invasive pat downs in a row immediately after they replaced private
37 spiritair97 : One of my bad experiences was at EWR. I was doing one of my usual runs to MYR to see family and I had a model plane in my bag as a gift for somebody.
38 aviateur : It's not about "having a problem" with a specific employee. It's about the whole approach that TSA takes to passenger security. TSA guards can be the
39 aviateur : I have. Visit my website and read my security manifesto. PS
40 IMissPiedmont : I am skeptical. That would not be a legal or sensible thing to do. As to the original situation she probably should have contacted the TSA rather tha
41 spiritair97 : Wow, that guy had some nerve. Where in the terminal where you? Near security, or just there spotting? Either way, not really the best approach by the
42 TWA772LR : Don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch... TSA actually prevents harmful things from getting on airplanes, shocking right? You hear about it every onc
43 skywaymanaz : Ironically when I had my Global Entry interview so I could get into the country faster and hopefully use TSA Pre Check I walked away thinking that is
44 s5daw : As a frequent flyer so far my experience with TSA and other security agencies (I mostly fly in EMEA) has been positive. Like in any job there are indi
45 rwy04lga : ...and the crowding of the gates that would result. The gates are already crowded enough. I was in line for TSA at JFK...the elderly Korean lady in f
46 TWA772LR : Do CBP agents have high turnover? I worked in IAH's FIS in the summers of 2011 and 2012 and CBP in '11 were just a bunch of pricks. Very seldom would
47 135mech : Precisely! This reminds me of the TSA "Agent" that opened up the jar of human remains, stuck her finger in it, stirred it around, dropped bits of it
48 brilondon : I am not a tool nor do I work for the government. Every day millions of people travel through airports and have no problem. The story that is referre
49 N62NA : I'm sorry you had so many problems. It was either bad luck or perhaps something in your attitude or approach towards them that raised a flag. Now, as
50 Maverick623 : The numbers show they miss over half of the items in so-called red drills. So no, they don't stop squat.
51 N62NA : Taking you at your word re: the miss rate. That would indicate that they DO stop harmful things from getting on the airplanes up to 50% of the time.
52 flyingturtle : Meh, just organize several terror cells that don't know each other. 50% of them will be busted, the others will get through. Just a suggestion to the
53 Post contains images N62NA : Well, I just think you're being a bit unfair. Can the Federal government do a better job. Most definitely. But because it's the Federal government ru
54 Post contains links and images flyingturtle : Yes. I was joking. But government agencies can be efficient. I think the problem with TSA is that they haven't decided to do anything that provides t
55 soon7x7 : Very Good!...Bravo
56 aviateur : Visit my website. I can't run links to it here, but you can find it if you click on my profile. Thanks. PS
57 aviateur : Like what? A fork? A screwdriver? A boxcutter? From my book... As conventional wisdom has it, the 9/11 terrorists exploited a weakness in airport sec
58 TWA772LR : I heard on the radio once that TSA confiscated 22 firearms, loaded or not, I don't want to know, at the check point in January and February alone, in
59 Maverick623 : Are you suggesting that's something to be proud of? Maybe you should read some of the posts here: they are most certainly NOT working. We've had seve
60 Post contains images TWA772LR : That's why I said TSA needs to be reformed. Also, the stuff they have caught is better than nothing at all [Edited 2012-10-12 23:38:37]
61 skywaymanaz : Quoting brilondon (Reply 48): Quoting crapper1 (Reply 1): I felt a tug on my neck strap and it was a agent trying to take the bag off me to search it.
62 YankeesFan : Well silverware like forks and cutlery can be weapons that can kill a person. How is the TSA going to know whether you are going to attack someone or
63 Maverick623 : That's not their job. Their job should be to look for weapons, explosives, and incendiary devices (commonly referred to as WEI). The fact that upward
64 YankeesFan : Anything that has a sharp edge CAN look like a weapon! Well, it CAN HAPPEN. Someone can hide in a toilet stall with a knife or fork and stab someone!
65 Post contains images flyingturtle : Thank God for Airbus that is building these A380 with wingtip fences! David
66 N62NA : Which makes total sense - but there is absolutely no incentive for the Federal government to actually do that when the Federal Reserve will just keep
67 Maverick623 : Why are you so afraid?
68 YankeesFan : Anything can happen. That is all.
69 Antoniemey : Possibility does not imply probability. Just because I CAN stab someone with a butter knife does not mean I am likely to. And with a locked, reinforc
70 Maverick623 : Not an answer. Again, why are you afraid? Yes, it can happen, but it's millions of times more likely to be killed in a car crash. Do you avoid steppi
71 YankeesFan : The fact that it can happen convinces me. Freak accidents will happen but IDK when since they are freak. The TSA just wants NO chance of a stabbing t
72 robsaw : Thanks for affirming that at least some Americans still believe in the concept of liberty enshrined in their constitution. As opposed to concepts lik
73 brilondon : I keep my toiletries in my checked baggage, why would you need to have shampoo with you anyway? Are you planning to have a shower or wash you hair in
74 par13del : We always have TSA threads, unfortunately after so many one would hope to have a lively discussion of alternatives, as long as we have complaints the
75 flyingturtle : That is a laudable goal, yes. But a ludicrous one if you ask about the feasibility. From my studies I remember a graph showing the cost-effectiveness
76 par13del : How about not testing blood for HIV before it is placed in the blood bank? Arthur Ashe contracted the virus because of such a situation, which is now
77 Post contains images rcair1 : I disagree. I remember enjoying going to the airport and not being worried that if I was not there 2 hrs in advance, I might miss my flight. Just las
78 flyingturtle : We have to live with bad luck. On average, Americans do not live longer than Europeans - and we have a much lower rate of medical malpractice suits.
79 Post contains links flyingturtle : I wrote about the situation in a country like Tanzania, where blood donations aren't exactly a common event, and most transmission happens sexually.
80 Maverick623 : Considering that is a statistical impossibility... You're comparing the goal of eliminating all possible weapons that could cause all the worst thing
81 Antoniemey : 1: Never put anything you are going to need within 24 hours of arrival in a checked bag, because bags can and DO get lost. 2: If I'm traveling for an
82 YankeesFan : You really have to go that far as to call me a kid? The TSA just wants nothing bad to happen after security. I didn't really have any bad experiences
83 Maverick623 : You're statements are extremely naive. One day you will understand exactly what is happening, and that this isn't some flippin sports game. What inci
84 YankeesFan : I was talking about one of my experiences with the TSA. And I was talking about the incident that was mentioned in the thread starter. You're right,
85 aviateur : Well, except that they GIVE OUT forks and knives on the plane! The same forks and knives they confiscated from me, while on duty. That's about as muc
86 Post contains images PHX787 : The problem is that pretty much any blunt object can be a weapon. In my self-defense class, I was taught how to use my MacBook as a weapon without de
87 YankeesFan : Yep. Anything that is sharp can harm a person.
88 copter808 : Yes, and I'm quite certain that they willingly took your visa application fee before telling you (or the applicant) that the fee was non-refundable a
89 aviateur : Are we that infantile a nation that we need phony and wasteful security in order to "feel" safe? It's depressing. PS
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