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OAG Changes 10/12/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US/VX  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7229 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13198 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4M MIA-EZE NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0

4O MIA-MEX NOV 1.7>1.5 DEC 1.7>1.4 JAN 1.7>1.4 FEB 1.7>1.4 MAR 1.7>1.4 APR 1.7>1.4 MAY 1.7>1.5 JUN 1.7>1.4
4O SAT-TLC NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
*4O SNA-GDL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
*4O SNA-MEX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0

7V VIR-ULD NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.7

9H MIA-CUR DEC 1.5>1.9 JAN 1.4>2 FEB 1.4>2 MAR 1.4>2 APR 1.4>2 MAY 1.4>2 JUN 1.4>2

9K ACK-BOS MAY 13>10 JUN 15>12
9K ACK-EWB MAY 7>5 JUN 10>7
9K ACK-HPN JUN 0>0.7
9K ACK-HYA MAY 16>17 JUN 15>18
9K ACK-MVY MAY 2>3 JUN 1.7>3
9K ACK-PVD JUN 0>3
9K AUG-BOS JUN 3>4
9K BHB-BOS JUN 0>1.0
9K BOS-MVY MAY 12>8 JUN 15>10
9K BOS-PVC MAY 10>5 JUN 13>9
9K BOS-RKD JUN 3>5
9K EWB-MVY MAY 5>3
9K HPN-MVY JUN 0.3>1.2
9K HYA-MVY JUN 3>2.0
9K MVY-PVD JUN 0>4
9K SJU-AXA JUN 3>2
9K SJU-NEV MAY 1.6>1.1 JUN 1.6>1.0
9K SJU-VQS MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7
9K VQS-SJU MAY 9>8 JUN 9>8

AA DFW-CUU FEB 2>1.9 MAR 2>1.8
AA DFW-CZM FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
AA DFW-GDL FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA DFW-GIG DEC 0.4>0.8 JAN 0.5>1.0 FEB 0.4>1.0
AA DFW-GRK FEB 10>9 MAR 10>9
AA DFW-GRR FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA DFW-GRU DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.3 FEB 1.0>1.1
AA DFW-MBJ FEB 0.7>0.8 MAR 0.7>0.9
*AA DFW-MLM APR 0.0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
AA DFW-NAS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.4
AA DFW-SJD JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
AA DFW-SLP FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
AA DFW-SPS JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
AA DFW-VER JAN 1.2>1.0 FEB 1.0>0.9
AA LAX-ELP JAN 1.2>1.9 FEB 1.0>1.9 MAR 1.0>1.8
AA LAX-FAT JAN 4>5 FEB 3>5 MAR 3>5
AA LAX-SAN JAN 9>10 FEB 9>10 MAR 9>10
AA LAX-SJC JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
AA LAX-SJD JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>1.3
AA LAX-SLC FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA MIA-LIR JAN 2.0>1.8 FEB 2>1.9 MAR 2>1.9
AA ORD-BNA JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8
AA ORD-CMH JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8 MAR 9>8
AA ORD-DCA JAN 9>8
AA ORD-DFW FEB 16>15 MAR 16>15
AA ORD-FLL FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
AA ORD-LAX JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8 MAR 9>8
AA ORD-MEX JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9

AB LAS-DUS JUN 0>0.3

AC ALB-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.6
AC BNA-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.6
AC BOS-YOW NOV 1.7>1.6
AC BOS-YUL NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
AC CVG-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.6
AC DCA-YOW NOV 2>1.9
AC DEN-YYZ NOV 2>1.9
AC GRR-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.6
AC MDT-YYZ NOV 1.9>1.7
AC MKE-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.6 APR 1.6>1.7
*AC SAN-YVR NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

AF LAX-CDG APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.5
AF SFO-CDG APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.4>1.9

AM MIA-CUN DEC 0.3>0

AS SEA-FAT JAN 1.8>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0

AT JFK-CMN JUN 1.0>1.3

BA SJU-ANU APR 0.2>0 MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.1>0

BB SJU-EIS DEC 1.2>1.5
BB SPB-SSB NOV 14>12 DEC 13>12 JAN 0>12 FEB 0>12 MAR 0>12 APR 0>12 MAY 0>12
BB STT-SJU NOV 4>3 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
BB STX-SJU JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4

BTV DIC-CGK NOV 0.1>0 DEC 0.2>0 JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0

BW FLL-KIN JAN 2>1.7 FEB 2>1.6 MAR 2>1.8
BW JFK-KIN DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
BW JFK-POS JAN 3>4

CA LAX-PEK NOV 1.6>1.5

CM LAX-PTY NOV 2>1.2 DEC 3>1.2 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7
CM MIA-PTY JAN 5>6 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5

DL ALB-MSP JAN 0.9>0.6
DL ATL-BNA JAN 10>9 FEB 11>10
DL ATL-BWI JAN 11>10
DL ATL-DEN JAN 7>6
DL ATL-GSO JAN 9>8
DL ATL-JAN APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7
DL ATL-JAX JAN 11>10
DL ATL-LIR FEB 1.6>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 1.3>1.0 JUN 1.1>1.0
DL ATL-MCO MAR 17>16 APR 17>16 MAY 17>16
DL ATL-PWM JAN 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-SBN JUN 4>3
DL ATL-SHV MAR 7>6
DL BOS-CDG JUN 0>1.0
DL BOS-YYZ JAN 3>2
*DL BRD-INL JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7
DL CLT-MSP JAN 4>3
DL CMH-RDU JAN 1.4>0.7 FEB 1.4>1.0
DL CVG-ATL JAN 7>6
DL DTW-BUF MAR 8>7
*DL DTW-CRW JAN 1.8>0.1 FEB 1.8>0
DL DTW-GRR JAN 8>7
DL DTW-ITH MAR 1.8>3
DL DTW-PEK NOV 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-PIT JAN 6>5
DL DTW-PVD JAN 4>5
DL DTW-ROA FEB 1.3>0.9
DL DTW-TVC JUN 7>5
*DL ESC-IMT DEC 1.7>0.8 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0
DL EWR-CDG JUN 0>1.0
*DL HIB-INL DEC 1.7>0.8 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0
DL HLN-MSP JAN 1.0>0.7
*DL IMT-MSP DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8
*DL IMT-RHI JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
*DL INL-MSP JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
DL JFK-AMS MAY 1.0>1.5 JUN 1.0>2
DL JFK-CVG JAN 2>1.1
DL JFK-MSP JAN 4>3
DL JFK-SEA JUN 4>5
DL JFK-SNN MAY 1.0>0.7
DL LAS-MSP JAN 7>6
*DL LAX-GDL MAR 0.5>0 JUN 0.7>0
DL LAX-MSP JAN 6>5
DL LGA-BOS DEC 11>10
DL LGA-ORD DEC 10>9
DL MEM-BOS JAN 1.6>0.8
DL MOT-MSP JAN 7>6
DL MSP-ANC JAN 1.9>1.5 FEB 2>1.6
DL MSP-PHL JAN 5>4
DL MSP-PIT JAN 4>3
*DL MSP-RHI JAN 0>1.8 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2
**DL ORD-CDG APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0
DL SFO-HNL JAN 0.7>0.5
DL SLC-COD JUN 1.0>1.9
DL SLC-SAN DEC 5>6
DL SLC-SUN APR 5>4 MAY 5>3
DL SLC-WYS JUN 0>3

EC EWR-ORY APR 2>1.8 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.9

EI BOS-DUB APR 1.8>1.9 MAY 1.9>2
EI MCO-DUB APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
EI ORD-SFO JUN 1.0>0
EI ORD-YYC FEB 0>0.2
ET IAD-ADD NOV 1.0>0.9

HA HNL-ITO DEC 16>15
HA HNL-LIH DEC 18>17
HA HNL-OGG DEC 29>27
HA ITO-HNL DEC 16>15
HA LIH-HNL DEC 18>17
HA LIH-OGG DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3
HA OGG-HNL DEC 29>27
HA OGG-LIH DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3

IB LAX-MAD JAN 0.4>0.1 FEB 0.4>0

KL DFW-AMS MAY 0.7>0.4

LA LAX-SCL MAR 0.3>0.5
LA MIA-LIM NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
LA SFO-LIM NOV 1.6>0.6 DEC 1.6>0.6 JAN 1.5>0.5 FEB 1.6>0.6 MAR 1.6>0.6 APR 1.6>0.6 MAY 1.6>0.6 JUN 1.6>0.6

LW IAH-VCT NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4 MAR 0>4 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4 JUN 0>4

M5 BFI-ESD NOV 1.0>1.8 DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2
M5 BFI-FRD NOV 1.9>1.1 DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0

MW KOA-OGG NOV 13>15 DEC 13>15 JAN 13>15 FEB 13>15 MAR 13>15 APR 13>15 MAY 13>15
MW OGG-KOA NOV 13>15 DEC 13>15 JAN 13>15 FEB 13>15 MAR 13>15 APR 13>15 MAY 13>15

NH SBA-SFO JAN 0.1>0.0

NK DTW-CUN NOV 0.8>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.8
NK FLL-SJU DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2
*NK FLL-ZSA JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
NK MCO-SJU DEC 1.2>0.8
*NK SAN-SJD DEC 1.0>0.9

NZ LAX-AKL APR 1.7>2 MAY 1.7>2 JUN 1.7>2
NZ SFO-AKL APR 0.7>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0

OZ SPN-PUS NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.6 FEB 0.3>0.6 MAR 0.3>0.6

PD BOS-YTZ NOV 7>6

*PR LAS-YVR JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.5>0 JUN 0.6>0

SU IAD-SVO APR 0.1>0.3 MAY 0.2>0.3 JUN 0.3>0.4

SY LAN-MCO FEB 0.3>0.2 MAR 0.4>0.3

TA MIA-SAP NOV 1.0>0.9
TA MIA-TGU NOV 1.0>0.8

TB STX-CPH APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0 JUN 0.1>0

TS MCO-YUL MAR 0.9>0.7 APR 0.8>0.7

*UA CLE-PBI MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
UA DEN-ABQ MAR 6>5
UA DEN-ASE MAR 10>11
UA DEN-BOS MAR 4>3
UA DEN-BWI MAR 3>2.0
UA DEN-DFW MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5
UA DEN-ELP MAR 3>4
*UA DEN-FAI MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>1.0
UA DEN-FAR JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5
UA DEN-GRR MAR 1.0>1.8
UA DEN-HSV FEB 1.4>0.9 MAR 2.0>1.0
UA DEN-MEX JAN 0.2>0.3
UA DEN-MFR FEB 1.4>1.0
UA DEN-MIA MAY 0.8>0
UA DEN-MLI MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>2.0
UA DEN-MOT JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5
UA DEN-MSN MAR 3>4
UA DEN-MTJ FEB 3>4 MAR 3>5
UA EWR-AVL MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.7
UA EWR-AVP MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
Another new delay?
*UA EWR-BER MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
UA

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13319 times:

UA EWR-DEN JAN 6>5
UA EWR-EDI JUN 1.0>1.8
UA EWR-LAS FEB 7>6 MAR 7>5 APR 7>5 MAY 7>6
UA EWR-SDQ JAN 1.0>1.2
UA EWR-SEA MAR 5>2 APR 5>3 MAY 5>4
*UA EWR-TXL MAR 0.3>0.6 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
UA EWR-XNA MAR 1.5>0.7 APR 1.6>0.7 MAY 1.6>0.7 JUN 1.5>0.7
UA EWR-YQB JAN 3>4
UA FLL-BIM NOV 0.9>0.4
UA IAD-FAY FEB 0>1.6 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3
UA IAD-LHR APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
UA IAD-PVD MAR 2>3
UA IAD-TYS MAR 3>2.0
UA IAH-AMA MAR 4>3
An additional IAH flight!?
*UA IAH-ANC MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>1.0
UA IAH-BNA MAR 7>6
UA IAH-BOS MAR 4>5
UA IAH-BTR MAR 8>9
UA IAH-CVG APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5
UA IAH-HSV MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
UA IAH-LAS NOV 7>8
UA IAH-LBB MAR 4>3
UA IAH-LFT MAR 9>8
UA IAH-LHR APR 1.9>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3
UA IAH-LIR JAN 1.9>3
UA IAH-LIT MAR 6>5
UA IAH-MCI MAR 8>9
UA IAH-MEM MAR 5>6
UA IAH-MFE MAR 8>9
UA IAH-MSY MAR 10>11
UA IAH-OMA MAR 5>6
UA IAH-PHL MAR 5>4
UA IAH-PHX FEB 6>5 MAR 7>5
UA IAH-RDU MAR 5>4
UA IAH-SAV FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
UA IAH-SDF MAR 4>3
UA IAH-SLC MAR 3>4
UA IAH-SMF MAR 3>2
UA IAH-TUS MAR 4>5
UA IAH-YEG JUN 2>1.2
UA IAH-YYC FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
UA LAX-ABQ FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>1.8
UA LAX-BOS FEB 1.5>1.0
UA LAX-CLD NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
UA LAX-EWR FEB 7>6
UA LAX-KOA FEB 1.0>1.5 MAR 1.9>2
UA LAX-LAS MAR 4>5
UA LAX-OGG MAR 3>4
UA LAX-SBA NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7
*UA MMH-SAN JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
UA ORD-ABE MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
UA ORD-ALB FEB 4>3
UA ORD-ANC JUN 0>0.8
UA ORD-ANC JUN 0>0.8
UA ORD-AVL NOV 2.0>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0
UA ORD-BOS FEB 9>7
UA ORD-CUN JAN 1.0>1.1
UA ORD-CZM MAR 0.2>0.3
UA ORD-GSO FEB 4>3
UA ORD-IAH MAR 12>13
UA ORD-MDT FEB 5>4
UA ORD-MKE DEC 8>9
*UA ORD-MOB APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
UA ORD-PNS FEB 0.6>0.1
UA ORD-SAN FEB 4>3
UA ORD-SEA FEB 5>4
UA ORD-SMF FEB 1.5>1.0
UA ORD-SNN JUN 0>0.6
UA ORD-TYS FEB 4>3
UA ORD-YUL FEB 5>4
UA ORD-YVR FEB 3>2
UA ORD-YYC FEB 3>4
UA PDX-SEA NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7
UA SFO-ACV FEB 7>6
UA SFO-ANC JUN 0>0.8
UA SFO-ANC JUN 0>0.8
UA SFO-EWR MAR 8>7
UA SFO-GEG FEB 1.5>1.0
UA SFO-IAD FEB 10>9
UA SFO-IAH MAR 10>9
UA SFO-ITO JUN 0>0.1
UA SFO-JFK MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
UA SFO-LIH JAN 1.1>1.2
*UA SFO-MMH DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.5 FEB 0>1.6 MAR 0>1.6 APR 0>0.7
UA SFO-ORD FEB 14>12
UA SFO-RDD NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
UA SFO-SEA FEB 8>7
UA SFO-YYJ MAR 0.7>1.0

US BOS-RIC JAN 3>1.4
US BOS-SYR JAN 3>1.5
US CLT-CHA JAN 7>6
US CLT-CVG JAN 7>6
US CLT-EWR JAN 10>9
US CLT-GPT JAN 4>3
US CLT-LAX FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
US CLT-LGA JAN 14>13 FEB 14>13
US CLT-MYR JAN 8>9 FEB 7>8
US CLT-PDX MAR 0>0.9
US CLT-PUJ FEB 1.8>2.0
US CLT-RSW JAN 7>6
US CLT-SBY JAN 3>2
US CLT-SEA MAR 1.0>2.0
US CLT-SFO MAR 4>5
US CLT-YUL JAN 2>1.6 FEB 2>1.8
US DCA-BNA JAN 4>3
US DCA-CLT JAN 12>11 FEB 12>11
US DCA-HHH FEB 0.3>0.1
US DCA-MCO MAR 7>8
US DCA-ORF JAN 3>5 FEB 3>4
US DCA-PBI JAN 4>3
US DCA-RSW JAN 4>3
US DCA-SDF JAN 3>4
US DCA-YOW JAN 1.9>1.6 FEB 2>1.9
US PHL-BOS JAN 15>17 FEB 15>16
US PHL-CLT JAN 11>10
US PHL-DEN MAR 2>3
US PHL-EWR JAN 6>7
US PHL-FLL MAR 5>6
US PHL-FRA APR 1.8>1.0
US PHL-GSO JAN 6>5
US PHL-JFK JAN 0>0.9
US PHL-LAX MAR 4>5
US PHL-LGA JAN 12>13
US PHL-MDT JAN 8>7
US PHL-MKE JAN 4>5
US PHL-MSY JAN 2>3
US PHL-MYR JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1
US PHL-RDU JAN 9>7 FEB 9>8
US PHL-ROC JAN 6>7
US PHL-SFO JAN 4>5 MAR 3>4
US PHL-TPA MAR 5>6
US PHL-YOW JAN 4>3
US PHX-ABQ JUN 5>6
US PHX-ATL JUN 3>4
US PHX-AUS JUN 4>5
US PHX-BOI JUN 2>3
US PHX-BOS JUN 3>4
US PHX-BWI JUN 2>3
US PHX-CLT MAR 8>9
US PHX-CUN JAN 1.1>0.9
US PHX-DEN JUN 5>6
US PHX-DFW JUN 5>6
US PHX-DTW JUN 3>4
US PHX-ELP JUN 5>6
US PHX-FLG JAN 7>5 FEB 7>6 JUN 7>8
US PHX-IAH JUN 4>5
US PHX-IND JUN 2>3
US PHX-LAS JAN 10>8 FEB 11>9 JUN 10>11
US PHX-LAX JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 JUN 8>9
US PHX-MCI JUN 3>4
US PHX-MCO JUN 2>3
US PHX-MSP JUN 4>5
US PHX-OMA JAN 3>2
US PHX-ONT JUN 5>6
US PHX-ORD JUN 5>6
US PHX-PDX JUN 5>6
US PHX-PHL JUN 6>7
US PHX-RNO JUN 4>5
US PHX-SAN JUN 7>8
US PHX-SAT JUN 4>5
US PHX-SEA JUN 5>6
US PHX-SFO JUN 5>6
US PHX-STL JUN 3>4
US PHX-TPA JUN 2>3
US PHX-TUS JAN 10>9 FEB 11>10 JUN 10>11
US PHX-YUM JAN 6>5

UX JFK-MAD NOV 0.6>0.4

VV JFK-KBP FEB 0.6>0.5

WG FLL-YUL JAN 0.6>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.4

YV HNL-ITO NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
YV HNL-KOA NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6
YV HNL-LIH NOV 8>7 DEC 9>7 JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 9>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 9>7
YV HNL-OGG DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
YV ITO-HNL NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
YV KOA-HNL NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6
YV LIH-HNL NOV 8>7 DEC 9>7 JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 9>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 9>7
YV OGG-HNL DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8

ZK CEZ-TEX NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
ZK DEN-ISN NOV 4>3 DEC 4>1.8 JAN 4>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 4>1.8 APR 4>1.9 MAY 4>1.9 JUN 4>1.8
ZK DEN-TEX DEC 1.3>3 JAN 1.3>3 FEB 1.3>3 MAR 1.3>3
ZK EAR-MCK NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
ZK FMN-LAS NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0
ZK FMN-PGA NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0
ZK IGM-LAX NOV 0>1.6 DEC 0>1.8 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>1.8 APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8
ZK IGM-PHX NOV 1.7>0.2 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0
ZK IGM-PRC NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
ZK LAS-MCE NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0
ZK LAX-PRC NOV 2>1.1 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
ZK LBF-MCK NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
ZK PGA-PHX DEC 0.7>0.1 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0

B6 did a schedule extension, here is a year over year comparison for B6
B6 BOS-AUA APR 1.4>1.5
B6 BOS-BDA MAY 0.8>0.5
B6 BOS-CHS MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 BOS-CUN MAY 0.3>0.4
B6 BOS-DCA MAR 7>10 APR 7>10 MAY 7>10
B6 BOS-DFW MAR 0>3 APR 0>3
B6 BOS-EWR MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
B6 BOS-GCM MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
B6 BOS-IAD MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
B6 BOS-JAX MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
B6 BOS-NAS MAY 0>0.3
*B6 BOS-ORD MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
B6 BOS-PBI MAY 2>3
B6 BOS-PDX APR 0>1.0
B6 BOS-PLS MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0>0.1
B6 BOS-RDU MAY 4>5
B6 BOS-RSW MAR 6>7 APR 6>7
B6 BOS-SDQ MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.8>1.0 MAY 1.0>0.7
B6 BOS-SJU APR 3>4
B6 BOS-STI MAR 0.4>0.6
B6 DCA-SJU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 DCA-TPA MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 EWR-SJU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0.2>1.0
B6 FLL-BOG MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-DCA MAR 1.0>3 APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3
B6 FLL-KIN MAR 0>2 APR 0.1>2
B6 FLL-LGA MAY 5>6
B6 FLL-NAS MAY 4>3
B6 FLL-PVD MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13269 times:

B6 FLL-PVD MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-SDQ MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
B6 FLL-SJU MAR 4>5 APR 4>5
B6 HPN-NAS MAR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.7
B6 IAD-OAK MAY 0.7>0.5
B6 JFK-AUA APR 1.9>1.7
B6 JFK-AUS MAR 3>2
B6 JFK-AZS MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3
B6 JFK-BGI MAY 1.0>0.8
B6 JFK-CHS MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
B6 JFK-CLT MAR 3>2 APR 3>2
B6 JFK-CTG MAR 0>0.5 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.4
B6 JFK-CUN MAR 1.7>3 APR 2>3 MAY 1.7>2
5/week?
**B6 JFK-DEN MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-FLL MAR 11>10
B6 JFK-GCM MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.4
B6 JFK-KIN APR 1.4>1.0
B6 JFK-LIR MAR 0.6>0.7 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.6>0.7
B6 JFK-MVY MAY 0.4>0.2
B6 JFK-NAS MAY 3>2
B6 JFK-ORD MAY 2>3
*B6 JFK-PHX MAR 1.8>1.0 APR 1.9>1.0
B6 JFK-PUJ MAR 1.3>1.4 APR 1.5>1.1
B6 JFK-RDU MAR 3>2 APR 3>2
B6 JFK-SEA MAY 1.4>0.9
B6 JFK-SJC MAR 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-SRQ MAY 1.7>1.0
B6 JFK-UVF MAR 0.7>0.9 APR 0.6>0.9 MAY 0.5>0.4
B6 LGA-PBI MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 1.0>2
B6 LGA-RSW MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 LGA-SRQ MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 LGA-TPA MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
Where did all these LGB slots go?
B6 LGB-ANC MAY 0.3>0.5
B6 LGB-IAD MAY 1.7>1.0
B6 LGB-SEA MAR 3>2 APR 3>2
B6 LGB-SLC MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
B6 LGB-SMF MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
B6 MCO-BTV MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
B6 MCO-DCA MAR 1.0>3 APR 1.2>3 MAY 1.0>3
B6 MCO-LGA MAR 2>4 APR 2.0>4 MAY 3>4
B6 MCO-PVD MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
B6 MCO-SJU MAR 6>7 APR 6>7
B6 MCO-SWF APR 1.8>1.3
B6 PBI-SJU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0
B6 SJU-SDQ APR 5>4
B6 SJU-TPA APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
B6 TPA-SJU MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3

F9 did a schedule extension, here is a year over year comparison for F9
F9 ABE-MCO FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7
F9 CLE-PUJ FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3
F9 COS-LAX FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9
F9 COS-PHX FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
F9 CVG-CUN FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
F9 CVG-PUJ FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
F9 DCA-OMA FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0
*F9 DEN-ATL FEB 3>0.9 MAR 3>0.8 APR 3>0.9
F9 DEN-AZA FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
*F9 DEN-BIL FEB 1.5>0.9 MAR 1.4>0.8 APR 1.5>0.9
F9 DEN-BIS FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7
F9 DEN-BKG FEB 0.4>0.1 MAR 0.6>0.2
F9 DEN-BZN FEB 1.4>1.0
F9 DEN-CAK FEB 1.9>0 MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.9>0
F9 DEN-COS FEB 6>4 MAR 6>4 APR 6>4
F9 DEN-CUN APR 1.2>1.1
*F9 DEN-DAY FEB 3>0.9 MAR 2>0.8 APR 2>0.9
F9 DEN-DFW FEB 5>4
F9 DEN-DSM FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0
F9 DEN-GEG FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0
F9 DEN-IAH FEB 0>1.5 MAR 0>1.6 APR 0>1.7
F9 DEN-ICT FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.9>0 APR 1.8>0
F9 DEN-LAS FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5 APR 6>5
F9 DEN-LGA APR 4>1.9
F9 DEN-LIT FEB 0.9>0.6
F9 DEN-MCO APR 1.6>3
F9 DEN-MSP FEB 4>3
They used to fly this 5x
**F9 DEN-OMA FEB 3>2 MAR 4>2 APR 4>2
F9 DEN-PHF FEB 0>0.9
F9 DEN-PHL FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
F9 DEN-PVR APR 1.0>0.8
F9 DEN-PVU FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
F9 DEN-RFD FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.2
F9 DEN-SDF FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
F9 DEN-SEA APR 5>4
F9 DEN-SFO FEB 5>4
F9 DEN-SJD APR 1.0>0.8
F9 DEN-SJO FEB 0.8>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 0.8>0.6
F9 DEN-SMF FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0
*F9 DEN-SNA FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
F9 MCI-DCA FEB 3>1.0 MAR 3>1.0 APR 3>1.0
I'm surprised they still have 4
*F9 MCI-DEN FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4
F9 MCI-LAS FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0
F9 MCO-MDT FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7
F9 MCO-MSN FEB 0.2>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2
F9 MCO-OMA FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.4
F9 MCO-TYS APR 0.4>0.3
F9 MKE-DCA FEB 1.9>0 MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.9>0
F9 MKE-DEN FEB 4>3 MAR 5>3 APR 4>3
F9 MKE-MCO FEB 1.2>0.4 MAR 1.2>0.4 APR 1.1>0.4
F9 ORD-MBJ FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
F9 ORD-PUJ FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6 APR 0>0.6
F9 PHL-CUN FEB 0.4>0.5 MAR 0.5>0.6
F9 PHL-PUJ FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3
F9 RFD-MBJ FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
F9 RFD-PUJ FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
F9 STL-CUN FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9 APR 0.6>0.8
F9 STL-LIR FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
F9 STL-MBJ FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
F9 STL-PUJ FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3

VX did a schedule extension, here is a year over year comparison for VX
VX BOS-LAX MAY 3>1.9
*VX BOS-SFO MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.9
VX DCA-SFO MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
VX FLL-SFO MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.8
VX IAD-SFO MAY 4>3
VX JFK-LAX MAY 6>5
VX JFK-SFO MAY 5>4
VX LAS-SFO MAY 8>7
VX LAX-CUN APR 0.7>0.5
*VX LAX-ORD MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>2
VX LAX-PDX MAR 0>1.9 APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>2
VX LAX-PHL MAR 0>2 MAY 3>1.9
*VX ORD-SFO MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>2
VX PDX-SFO MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
VX PHL-SFO MAR 0>1.8 APR 0.7>1.9
VX SFO-CUN MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.1
VX SFO-PVR MAR 0.7>0.5 APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 0.7>0.2
VX SFO-SJD MAR 1.0>0.8 APR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.8


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13197 times:

FYI, there was no update last week because there was some sort of glitch in the source data before it got to me. So, this is a comparison to two weeks ago and encompasses all changes over the two weeks.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7597 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13082 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

DL ALB-MSP JAN 0.9>0.6
DL ATL-BNA JAN 10>9 FEB 11>10
DL ATL-BWI JAN 11>10
DL ATL-DEN JAN 7>6
DL ATL-GSO JAN 9>8
DL ATL-JAX JAN 11>10
DL ATL-PWM JAN 1.0>0.7
DL BOS-YYZ JAN 3>2
DL CLT-MSP JAN 4>3
DL CMH-RDU JAN 1.4>0.7 FEB 1.4>1.0
DL CVG-ATL JAN 7>6
*DL DTW-CRW JAN 1.8>0.1 FEB 1.8>0
DL DTW-GRR JAN 8>7
DL DTW-PIT JAN 6>5
DL DTW-PVD JAN 4>5
DL DTW-ROA FEB 1.3>0.9
DL DTW-TVC JUN 7>5
*DL HLN-MSP JAN 1.0>0.7
DL JFK-CVG JAN 2>1.1
DL JFK-MSP JAN 4>3
DL LAS-MSP JAN 7>6
*DL LAX-MSP JAN 6>5
DL LGA-BOS DEC 11>10
DL LGA-ORD DEC 10>9
DL MEM-BOS JAN 1.6>0.8
DL MOT-MSP JAN 7>6
DL MSP-ANC JAN 1.9>1.5 FEB 2>1.6
DL MSP-PHL JAN 5>4
DL MSP-PIT JAN 4>3
DL SFO-HNL JAN 0.7>0.5
DL SLC-WYS JUN 0>3

DL is still making a bunch of capacity adjustments for the slow January-early February winter period.
A few more temporary suspensions for a few weeks during the depths of winter: DTW-CRW

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ORD-CDG APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0

Switching from DL 763ER to AF A332 for the summer.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13063 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ESC-IMT DEC 1.7>0.8 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0

Does this mean DL is pulling out of ESC completely, or are they still serving it on a turnaround basis from DTW?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK FLL-ZSA JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2

ZSA is San Salvador, Bahamas, the island where Columbus allegedly made his first landfall in the Western Hemisphere. There is a Club Med there.

Spirit has flown flights to San Salvador in the past for Club Med, and they must have gotten another contract from Club Med.

I visited San Salvador several years ago (I flew in from NAS on UP, and stayed at a non-Club Med hotel, mainly so I could walk on the beach where Columbus allegedly made his 1st landfall); it is an unspoiled island with very friendly residents.



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3413 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12737 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
VX LAX-PHL MAR 0>2 MAY 3>1.9
VX PHL-SFO MAR 0>1.8 APR 0.7>1.9

This is an interesting one. I think these are compared to the initial start up numbers VX operated last year. So SFO-PHL doesn't see much of a change heading into the Summer season but LAX-PHL losses a flt.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20677 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12657 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AF LAX-CDG APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.5
AF SFO-CDG APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.4>1.9

Interesting cut/shift of capacity for AF to the U.S. west coast.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHX-ABQ JUN 5>6
US PHX-ATL JUN 3>4
US PHX-AUS JUN 4>5
US PHX-BOI JUN 2>3

Without quoting the whole thing, does this indicate an entirely new connection bank at PHX for US?



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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12637 times:

AF SFO-CDG APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.4>1.9

This is exactly what AF should be doing to compete with UA. Sit on em and eventually they will go away. UA has very little leverage on this route from a network perspective, only the benefit of the local SFO frequent flier base. As such, AF is going to make it painful from a yield perspective.

This is why SFO-CDG is a terrible route for UA



We will ride this thunderbird, silver shadows on the earth, a thousand leagues away our land of birth... -Captain Bruce
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12603 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ORD-CDG APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0

Switching from DL 763ER to AF A332 for the summer.

Ahh, makes more sense.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 5):
ZSA is San Salvador, Bahamas, the island where Columbus allegedly made his first landfall in the Western Hemisphere. There is a Club Med there.

Probably getting subsidy money from hotels.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 6):
So SFO-PHL doesn't see much of a change heading into the Summer season but LAX-PHL losses a flt.

Those freq levels were way too high. I said that from the beginning.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 6):
I think these are compared to the initial start up numbers VX operated last year.

Correct, that is a YOY compare because they did a schedule roll forward.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Without quoting the whole thing, does this indicate an entirely new connection bank at PHX for US?

It might be just a normal seasonal change. I don't know for sure.


User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12428 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
An additional IAH flight!?

Data I have comparing 4Q 2012 with 4Q 2011 shows the following change in average daily departures from UA hubs:

4Q 2011/4Q 2012/Change

ORD: 547/549/2
IAH: 594/544/(50)
DEN: 361/361/0
EWR: 387/393/6
IAD: 277/269/(8)
SFO: 281/286/5
LAX: 194/182/(12)
CLE: 169/163/(6)

ORD now slightly busier than IAH as measured by frequencies, but IAH remains busier 8% by seats due to larger average gauge of aircraft.

[Edited 2012-10-11 09:11:39]

User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1665 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12420 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Without quoting the whole thing, does this indicate an entirely new connection bank at PHX for US?

I believe at least some of these flights would go with US's late night bank of redeye departures and a few additional flights that feed that from the west. I'm curious how well some of those flights perform given their short durations and resulting painful schedule. The 23:55 departure from PHX that arrives into STL at 04:47 comes to mind.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12253 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 10):

4Q 2011/4Q 2012/Change

ORD: 547/549/2
IAH: 594/544/(50)
DEN: 361/361/0
EWR: 387/393/6
IAD: 277/269/(8)
SFO: 281/286/5
LAX: 194/182/(12)
CLE: 169/163/6

Thanks for putting this info out as such. Good to see the changes in hubs here as things develop.

Curious, now ORD seems to be slowly inching past IAH it seems in some metrics. Probably soon ORD will be the largest hub of the system, and somehow it would make sense. And then meanwhile, ORD, EWR, SFO all show pluses in service (however small) and then IAH (really a surprise when thinking about this long term, although we are pretty clued as to events with that) really being the largest raw number and percentage of change in terms of cuts and decreases, along with IAD and LAX, and CLE (I believe) showing only a small amount of decreases. And of course with all the shifting around, it seems that really nothing plus or minus has happened with DEN.

As for the DEN hub, the y/y count @DEN seems to be reduced by about 20 or so flights by F9. With most of these cuts kicking in from FEB to APR, hopefully this will be the trimming needed that will have F9 showing some profit instead of the usual losses that happen in these months.

Thanks again enilria buddy for continuing here with my favorite series here. Now we all get our fix for the week, eh?

 

[Edited 2012-10-11 09:13:38]

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5815 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12223 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-FAT JAN 4>5 FEB 3>5 MAR 3>5

Reverses part of the schedule change from a couple of weeks ago. Puts 2 CR7 frequencies back along with the 3 CRJs from OO.

But it does not restore the earliest/latest flight times lost, it simply restores the number of flights. I had heard from some business travellers (and seen posts elsewhere) who were unhappy about the loss of early/late flight times they were using particularly for east coast trips so it looks like they will still be unhappy.

These 2 CR7s restored will depart FAT at 9:15am and 6:30pm instead of the former early departure at 5:55AM which allowed for early connections east out of LAX. The earliest AA FAT-LAX will now be a OO flight leaving at 8AM.

Previously, the last Eagle inbound to FAT was a CR7 leaving LAX at 9:45pm. But the 2 frequencies put back leave LAX at 7:45am and 5:00pm. That now makes the last LAX-FAT on AA an OO flight leaving LAX at 8PM.

Still shows only 3 frequencies for April onward. Hopefully as those schedules are restored the early/late times will return too.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-FAT JAN 1.8>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0

Seasonal reduction that happens every year. Should go back up in spring.



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12215 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Interesting cut/shift of capacity for AF to the U.S. west coast.

It might be an increase at SFO, but not much of a decrease if any at LAX.
The LAX route was upgraded to a A380, therefore a frequency reduction is expected.
So, I don't see a shift.


User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12173 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 12):
Thanks for putting this info out as such.

Yes, interesting to see the numbers on a route basis, of course, but every now and then, an aggregate look is useful. Moreover, I think if you talked to most airline schedule planners, they'd tell you schedules aren't finalized more than 90 days before the fact (with the exception of Southwest). Frequency perhaps in many cases, but not equipment type. (If you don't believe me, try booking a ticket on UA from, say, IAD-LAX in March and you'll notice that all but 2 of the frequencies are on A319 aircraft, which are obviously being used as a placeholder.) (No knock on enilria's efforts, of course--it's just the way it is.)

Quoting point2point (Reply 12):
CLE all show pluses in service

Actually, there was a slight reduction (6 flights), but that was my mistake in the original post (since corrected).

I'm not sure how much the IAH numbers were affected by the pulldown in Colgan flying, if at all.


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Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12021 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
ZK DEN-ISN NOV 4>3 DEC 4>1.8 JAN 4>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 4>1.8 APR 4>1.9 MAY 4>1.9 JUN 4>1.8

The fall out of DL and UA both starting service to ISN next month. DEN-ISN is far enough a jet should save a noticeable amount of flight time. ZK however has a maintenance base in ISN so I expect them to not drop service levels much further.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
ZK IGM-LAX NOV 0>1.6 DEC 0>1.8 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>1.8 APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
ZK IGM-PHX NOV 1.7>0.2 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
ZK LAX-PRC NOV 2>1.1 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
ZK PGA-PHX DEC 0.7>0.1 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0

Wow, as long as I've known IGM, PRC, and PGA have all had service to PHX (all three are EAS I believe). It looks like that leaves PGA with service to DEN and one-stop LAX via Prescott (PRC).
Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
A few more temporary suspensions for a few weeks during the depths of winter: DTW-CRW

Surprised to see this completely suspended, but all things considered it did use to be Saabs only from DTW for quite a long time.

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
**F9 DEN-OMA FEB 3>2 MAR 4>2 APR 4>2
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
F9 DEN-DSM FEB 1.8>1.0 MAR 1.7>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0

A lot of these cities are seeing forced reducitons in frequencies on F9 from DEN due to being down to just six E190's before too long. DEN-OMA also has three airlines running on it, WN with 3x 737, UA with a mix of mainline and RJ's, plus mainline F9. DSM has a mix of mainline and RJ's from DEN as well on UA.

[Edited 2012-10-11 09:47:27]

[Edited 2012-10-11 09:50:13]


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD.
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Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11965 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 10):
ORD now slightly busier than IAH as measured by frequencies, but IAH remains busier 8% by seats due to larger average gauge of aircraft.

I'm just hoping the dam has broken on UA's unholy war against Houston.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 13):
Reverses part of the schedule change from a couple of weeks ago. Puts 2 CR7 frequencies back along with the 3 CRJs from OO.

Interesting

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
Surprised to see this completely suspended, but all things considered it did use to be Saabs only from DTW for quite a long time.

It's only temporary...as of now...

Quoting point2point (Reply 12):
Thanks again enilria buddy for continuing here with my favorite series here. Now we all get our fix for the week, eh?

Me too. Last week sucked with that glitch.  


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Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11749 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NH SBA-SFO JAN 0.1>0.0

Bummer Nippon is dropping this weekly 777 service from Santa Barbara   funny glitch.

Thanks as always for the updates Enilria



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11705 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 18):
Bummer Nippon is dropping this weekly 777 service from Santa Barbara   funny glitch.

Thanks as always for the updates Enilria

I assume it is a mis-coded UA code share.

Quoting as739x (Reply 18):
Thanks as always for the updates Enilria

Thanks


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11657 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SFO-HNL JAN 0.7>0.5

I don't expect this route to be around much longer, have been reducing this flight to lower and lower frequency for as long as I remember.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-PDX APR 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US CLT-PDX MAR 0>0.9

Both starting much earlier this season, must have great loads.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6330 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11606 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
F9 MCI-DCA FEB 3>1.0 MAR 3>1.0 APR 3>1.0

Kind of a surprise for me. I like taking the MCI-DCA nonstop on F9 versus connection in ORD/DFW on my usual AA, and it seems like the kind of market that can support 2 flights a day. 3 might be a bit much, but dropping all the way to 1 seems a bit much. I'll be taking this flight Sunday morning so maybe I'll be the only person onboard  


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6330 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11595 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
A lot of these cities are seeing forced reducitons in frequencies on F9 from DEN due to being down to just six E190's before too long

Ah, interesting. That could explain the reduction in MCI-DCA (and I guess, perhaps, the fact that MCI-LAS is going away in a couple weeks, which stinks because I took MCI-LAS this past weekend and loved it. Much preferred to WN, which will be the only one left on the route).


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Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11492 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

US BOS-RIC JAN 3>1.4

I am hoping this is the late afternoon roundtrip that is being cut. The crew pairing for this is such that if this roundtrip takes any delays at all and is late getting into RIC, it automatically delays a RIC-PHL flight the next morning for crew rest.


VX is very interesting to me. This shows me that the new cities coming online are being added by moving capacity off of existing routes. PHL hasn't been operating that long and it is already being cut, and BOS being cut is interesting as well since they have been established in BOS for a few years now. I am wondering if they are having difficulties taking delivery of new planes because of capital issues. Even so, they already aren't in great shape and this makes me stop and think a bit.


B6 seems to be shifting a lot of capacity to BOS at the expense of JFK as well, which I find very interesting. DCA going to 10 flights a week is going to put O and D pressure on US and DL. Also, I notice DFW on here recieving 3 RT's a day, and this is very quiet. Given the troubles at AA, they could be in a position to really capitalize on this market.

Speaking of which, UA has cut back BOS quite a bit on this one. LAX is down to 1 daily, DEN down to 3, and ORD is down to 7? By my count...that only leaves about 20 or so departures on PMUA routes. Is Massport already taking gates leaving UA gate constrained to cause this, or is something else at work here? UA has never been the biggest player in BOS, but I can't remember seeing service so low in some time, especially on the ORD route.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11461 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
pressure on US and DL

DL doesn't operate DCA-BOS anymore.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 21):
Kind of a surprise for me.

This has been known for a long time. They gave the slots to US.



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25 Post contains images dlflynhayn : Lots of people have been saying this about SFO-HNL but a few years later it is still here ..Still trying to fiqure out Delta's LAX-GDL flight my wife
26 apodino : I didn't realize the DL shuttle wasn't operating this anymore. That being said this is still one of US highest yielding routes out of BOS, and B6 goi
27 LAXdude1023 : Looks like DFW-Brazil is getting more service (at least on a seasonal level). DFW-GIG going daily is huge.
28 Post contains images PHX787 : It makes better sense having AF run this route anyway. Wtf kind of filing is this Some strange anomaly I'm sure Good to see more routes at CVG from o
29 LAXdude1023 : Its a codeshare.
30 steex : It makes little difference under the JV, and DL provides the opportunity for lower capacity with its 763 over the winter months.
31 airliner371 : DCA-BOS was never part of the Delta shuttle.
32 N62NA : Interesting!
33 Post contains images wn676 : A good portion of them are indeed part of the late night Flex banks, which include both westbound and eastbound complexes. I've never understood the
34 yellowtail : Looks like UA is winning the fight at LIR with their much better Canadian and Western USA feed at IAH. In Central American leisure destinations, that
35 jcarv : I don't believe Massport has anything to do with it. UAL gave up those gates willingly I believe before. They have good amount of gates still and are
36 usdcaguy : Where is LW getting the aircraft for this? From Georgia Skies? Interestingly, they will soon be winding down AHN/MCN to/from ATL, but this has not be
37 kgaiflyer : From a 319 to zero? So . . . WS owns the route now?
38 Post contains images kgaiflyer : The amount of air traffic through El Paso -- given its remote location -- astonishes some people. Also, the fact that it's in Denver's time zone -- a
39 AVENSAB727 : Wow, looks like IAH still edges out ORD in some ways. But ORD has 4 more flights them IAH. I think IAH could end up being the second largest hub after
40 neveragain : The amount of air traffic through El Paso is perfectly in line with the population of a city its size--in fact, it's lower than the U.S. average. ELP
41 neveragain : I suppose the main variable there would be the AA restructuring. From what I've seen, it doesn't seem UA has changed its approach towards competing w
42 SANFan : No 'flyer, this route has been a daily, year-round flight since 2005 but never with more than with a 190. And there have been no frequency, aircraft,
43 BD338 : Every time enilria publishes these reports I look for UA EWR-SLC 0>1(+) will this ever happen??
44 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : It was always a temporary thing due to AF's shortage of aircraft last year... BOS-DCA was never a part of the Delta Shuttle. There was a time when it
45 Bobloblaw : I don't think it can be said that UA is beating DL in LIR. The ODs that flow over ATL are primarily in the eastern time zone and don't flow over IAH
46 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Don't knock it. I did PSP-IAH CR-7 to IAH-IAD CR7 earlier this year with no space in-between for a sandwich. That Rondele really hit the spot that da
47 usdcaguy : Speaking of which, will we ever see ELP-SLC again on DL? I would have to admit that increasing DEN-ELP to 4 shows more commitment to the market than
48 kgaiflyer : Did I miss something? DEN to the Pacific on mainline is a full meal in First, not a snack box.
49 floridaflyboy : No they didn't. Republic still owns the slots. They did NOT "give" them to anyone. Republic just now uses the slots to operate the flights for US ins
50 Post contains images enilria : I'm surprised it isn't gone completely with the F9 wheel of destiny focus city plan. Exactly right Noticed the same thing. B6 is winning in BOS. I he
51 ORDBOSEWR : Well, remember that now that UA has EWR and at last count 10 flights a day to EWR (on mainline) you can connect to many of the same places. I feel th
52 yellowtail : That is simply not true. UA offers some great connections to LIR via IAH that are just as good as ATL. When I was in LIR a few weeks ago I met some f
53 MasseyBrown : Not sure why you starred this one. PBI has always been CLE's weakest Florida route. This is probably a seasonal reduction.[Edited 2012-10-12 07:35:27
54 kgaiflyer : Things do change -- in El Paso's case -- due to base realignment (been there in the last two years?). Las Cruces, Alamogordo, Sandia, Carlsbad, and F
55 mariner : I'm not about to speculate, but - as in all things - I assume there is a reason for it. mariner
56 Post contains links mtnwest1979 : LW is not operating these trips. It is flown by Sun Air Navajos and they are using LW's website for online booking etc. WHy they don't do it thru the
57 apodino : I will buy IAH, but cutting ORD and routing people instead through CLE doesn't make a lot of sense to me given what CLE is and what ORD is for UA. As
58 LJ : Seems like they got a contract from Airbus.
59 tommy767 : Way more than 20 -- I count 37 on 12/6 BOS-LAX is a tougher market for UA with B6 and VX in the house. Not to mention AA probably puts up a fight on
60 apodino : Well, you have 7 ORD, 3 DEN, 1 LAX, 5 SFO, and according to UA.com, IAD is down to 4 now too. That is only 20 departures. Unless I am missing somethi
61 tommy767 : EWR=11, CLE=4-5, IAH=4
62 jfklganyc : I said this would happen to UA at BOS...all of you United people said I was wrong. Mergers create efficiencies. There is no reason for UA to have all
63 tommy767 : However BOS-SFO was 7x a day this past summer. BOS is a strong spoke for UA no doubt.
64 jetbluefan1 : I think Dave Barger and the team in Long Island City is getting serious about making money off the JFK hub. The theme continues to be to cut capacity
65 apodino : If you read my original post, you will note I am talking about pre merger UA, so I did not include CLE, IAH, or EWR in that. That is 20 departures fr
66 ORDBOSEWR : technically it probably could work, if not for the realities of operating at BOS, ie delays and congestion. EWR is a big reason, with 11 flights a da
67 SJUSXM : This was an AA route for a long time. It was also one of the last ones to get cut before the final drawdown. It was 1x 757 at the end. It was cut rig
68 ROSWELL41 : I think it was FL. Fairly sure that NK never served TPA-SJU.
69 tommy767 : Even the PMUA flight count is off. You have to figure that the schedules flop like crazy day by day. One day you'll have 739s to DEN, the next day al
70 neveragain : NK served the route on a scheduled basis in 2007 and 2008, albeit never daily. B6 and FL both began the route in 2011, which is when AA ended the rou
71 Post contains images delta2ual : Thank You, that drives me crazy!
72 tommy767 : Didn't have my morning coffee yet.
73 STT757 : It's hurting B6 the most as they don't have a vast network of international flights, outside of the Caribbean, to feed with their domestic flights. T
74 enilria : I agree. DL seems not to care about Hawaii when everybody else does. Sure it's really seasonal, but UA usually does not publish joke future schedules
75 neveragain : By equipment type, they certainly do. Aircraft type for any-non longhaul international flights more than 90 days into the future cannot be relied upo
76 ScottB : I don't think B6 just wants to claw back share between JFK & LAX/SFO; IMO they want to keep hammering nails into the coffin of VX. It makes sense
77 enilria : Everybody does that. The exact fleet is less important. The routes for sale are what most directly impacts the customer. Accurate seat assignment is
78 neveragain : I don't disagree. I think this is something many people don't realize, though. My experience is that most airlines do not do it to the degree that UA
79 dlflynhayn : Totally disagree!! LAX has added a fourth flight during Summer and Dec,I don't recall the last time we had that many flights to HNL since the mid 90'
80 kgaiflyer : As a de facto aviaton historian, you probably know this has only been true since November 2011. Before that, the pmUA narrowbody fleet and the pmCO n
81 HPRamper : Did B6 originally want LGB to be a connecting-type traditional hub? If that is the case, it's the only real excuse for still operating the place. The
82 Post contains links neveragain : I thought they standardized the row numbers long before then, but I was wrong. June 2011, according to this article. I guess that'd be when F moved o
83 enilria : You are right. I was just being generous. Is that official? Wow! Things are coming apart. I wonder if they will defer the planes due in 2H 2013. NW a
84 kgaiflyer : An incorrect news article? Amazing! Many outsiders (and journalists) think they push a button and the entire merger is then 'fait accompli'. For the
85 neveragain : Well at least I attempted to provide a source. Care to provide an alternative other than your personal observation? What date and what flight? It wou
86 Post contains links mariner : Originally (1999) the west coast didn't figure in JetBlue's plans at all. Here's the list of cities they were considering (from its own website): htt
87 kgaiflyer : No personal observations wanted? Then with your permission, I'll just skip the question. No need. We've had dozens of threads already on the pre-merg
88 ScottB : I think they did have big plans for LGB. When B6 announced LGB, they also entered into an agreement with the city (which owns the airport) for all th
89 enilria : Well, to some extent LGB has suffered for the same reasons as OAK. WN opened up SFO to sit on VX and B6 was forced into LAX because of VX. B6 was doi
90 mariner : I think that's correct. Neeleman later admitted that perhaps there had been mistakes - and that Jetbllue had become "beguiled" by transcons. It surel
91 ScottB : I was more speaking of the city itself, but you're right, I can see the retro charm having an appeal as long as the amount of service at the airport
92 Post contains images mariner : As I did more than once, when I was living in Russian River and I started flying JetBlue OAK-LGB. And then, after a couple of trips, I wondered why I
93 enilria : I can think of two reasons: 1) Every airport is closer to somebody. Whoever that is should be benefited by using it. 2) You'd think there'd be people
94 Post contains links neveragain : Most recent publicly available forecast I've seen is from 2010 and it forecasts a $19.71 CPE in 2016. Although, CPE is a widely used metric that few
95 ScottB : Parking at LGB is cheaper compared to the Central Terminal Area at LAX -- but Economy & off-airport parking are less at LAX (it seems LGB doesn't
96 mariner : It sure did, back in the day. But you're right, of course. Since even Frontier is looking at installing a new IFE, I guess the days of LiveTV may be
97 airliner371 : You've been saying this quite a bit. Can I see your source so I can see all the info on this. Thanks!
98 mariner : I've posted it twice, once here and once in the previous Frontier thread. As with so many things about Frontier, I can't - or won't - share the sourc
99 Post contains images enilria : Wow my memory was accurate within 0.14%. Obviously, but it is fair to compare CPE between airports. It also does not include the handling cost each a
100 Post contains images mariner : I thought I'd questioned some of the information your sources have given you, but I won't argue the toss - you may be right although though I don't t
101 Cubsrule : And that's really what it comes down to. Look, if we're being honest, the passenger experience at LAX sucks start to finish. Getting in to the airpor
102 neveragain : At $20, LAX would still be cheaper than busy gateway airports at EWR, IAD, JFK, and MIA and maybe even SFO. The point is B6's CPE will probably be ch
103 airliner371 : This is the second time now. If I ask for a source it is not necessarily because I don't believe you. Its because I want to get more information. Alt
104 Post contains links mariner : I gave all the information I have in the Frontier thread before this present one, including the system - which doesn't mean that will be system, only
105 Post contains images enilria : As long as I'm allowed to use that. Where are you getting those CPE numbers? I'm fairly certain that EWR and IAD aren't $20 CPE. JFK might be, but on
106 Post contains links neveragain : Numbers I've seen in industry publications, although PANYNJ doesn't publish numbers, at least not worth comparing, due to the wide use of conduit and
107 Post contains links MasseyBrown : FWIW, the FAA's CATS database gives the 2011 CPE for LAX as $11.33. Source: http://cats.airports.faa.gov/reports/reports.cfm Form 127 give the CPE for
108 neveragain : There's no calculation. The airports must submit it themselves. It is the case that after DBO of TBIT and other improvements, the forecast CPE will b
109 enilria : Special Facility debt should not be included in CPE. That opens up a can of worms. Hangars routinely use Special Facility debt and a one carrier hang
110 neveragain : I'm sorry, you most certainly can, and most in the profession who know anything about what they're doing (or care anything about the substance of wha
111 MasseyBrown : I'm reminded again that commercial aviation has more rubber numbers than any other industry I've looked at - granted I haven't looked at them all. St
112 neveragain : I think in LAX's case it's mainly the price that was paid for deferring investment until you were left with a $5b+ capital plan. And, in saying that,
113 neveragain : BTW, enilria, if you're quoting this number, you should be advised you ARE including terminal special facility debt in the calculation (as you should
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