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Delta LaGuardia To Key West  
User currently offlineFlyingFan18 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12044 times:

I was searching Wikipedia which I know isn't the most reliable and came across that it states LaGaudia to Key West starting in December. Is this true? Is it even possible with the runway restrictions? I think a flight to Key West isn't terrible and would do well but I thought its impossible with the restrictions?

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User currently offlineupsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 816 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11926 times:
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Yes, looks like a Saturday flight on a 737-700 (73W) from LGA to EYW. Should be a great way for those New Yorkers to escape the cold during the winter.

User currently offlineupsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 816 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11909 times:
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Though it looks like there isn't a non-stop back to LGA so when you go home you'll have to connect in ATL.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7682 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11858 times:

The flight operates on select Saturdays-only during the Christmas holiday and Spring Break periods.

DL 1873 LGA EYW 10:35a 2:08p 73W
DL 1873 EYW LGA 2:48p 5:39p 73W

Operates 12/22, 12/29, 3/2, 3/9, 3/16, 3/23, 3/30, 4/6


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11740 times:

Can any of our DL friends see where that -700 arrives in LGA from to start the EYW turn? Is it ATL?

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7518 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11735 times:

Quoting upsmd11 (Reply 2):
Though it looks like there isn't a non-stop back to LGA so when you go home you'll have to connect in ATL.

There's no way it could takeoff and make it back.


User currently offlineupsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 816 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11666 times:
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Yes, now I see the return, not sure how I missed it earlier.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7518 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11566 times:

Quoting upsmd11 (Reply 6):
Yes, now I see the return, not sure how I missed it earlier.

It can't be non-stop. The runway is 4800 feet long. WN can only make it to MSY.


User currently offlineih8b6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11511 times:

It's nonstop, both ways.


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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11426 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
It can't be non-stop. The runway is 4800 feet long. WN can only make it to MSY.

Maybe they take a weight penalty? Limit the number of pax?


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4428 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11034 times:
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Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Reply 7):It can't be non-stop. The runway is 4800 feet long. WN can only make it to MSY.
Maybe they take a weight penalty? Limit the number of pax?

It's loaded on Expedia as well as a non-stop.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
DL 1873 LGA EYW 10:35a 2:08p 73W
DL 1873 EYW LGA 2:48p 5:39p 73W

DL will also have a departure to ATL on a 737 at 2:35pm, so there will be two DL 737's on the ground at once. A check of 12/22 shows EYW-ATL at 3x 737 1x CR7. WN will have a 2:05PM departure to MCO that day as well. Will be a busy hour at EYW for mainline!


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10748 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 10):
It's loaded on Expedia as well as a non-stop.

Right, but with a 4800' runway I'm wondering if they take a weight penalty in order to make it a nonstop. For example, FL limited pax to one bag only (one checked bag) to, I believe, MCO and TPA. DL had a non-rev restriction of one checked bag to ATL. I also believe that there was an operational restriction based on a wet or dry runway.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10664 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 11):

But keep in mind DL has more powerful engines on their -700s, which are better for short runway operations. The maximum takeoff length at MTOW for the 737-700 is around 54-5500 feet, and the plane will not be at MTOW if it is going to LGA.


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10645 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
But keep in mind DL has more powerful engines on their -700s, which are better for short runway operations. The maximum takeoff length at MTOW for the 737-700 is around 54-5500 feet, and the plane will not be at MTOW if it is going to LGA.

I assume they do the full engine run-up before break release at EYW?


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10543 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):

I believe they do, yes.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 12):
But keep in mind DL has more powerful engines on their -700s, which are better for short runway operations. The maximum takeoff length at MTOW for the 737-700 is around 54-5500 feet, and the plane will not be at MTOW if it is going to LGA.

Understand, but if DL is imposing one bag restrictions on nonrevs to only go to ATL, what are they going to do to revenue pax going to LGA?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):


I assume they do the full engine run-up before break release at EYW?

Here's a video from an AirTran flight at EYW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1D2O7uk2nw


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10509 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 15):

Good point, didn't notice that. Only one (fun) way to find out, fly on the flight and see! 


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 16):

Good point, didn't notice that. Only one (fun) way to find out, fly on the flight and see!

True, and there are some good deals right now for the flights. $200 o/w on 12/22 in coach.

Edit: Found this on delta.com:

"NOTE: All passengers traveling to or from Key West, Florida are limited to one checked bag. This supersedes all exceptions." https://www.delta.com/traveling_checkin/baggage/checked/index.jsp


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10319 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 15):

Here's a video from an AirTran flight at EYW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1D2O...uk2nw

Thanks for posting the link to the video. Looks like a fun ride out.

This new LGA service should be very popular - while the drive down from FLL/MIA to EYW is very scenic it can take quite a while - 4 or 5 hours with traffic - to get there.

I wonder if it would be possible to add just a bit to each end of the EYW runway - maybe 200 or 300 feet on each end?


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10265 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 15):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):


I assume they do the full engine run-up before break release at EYW?

Here's a video from an AirTran flight at EYW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1D2O...uk2nw

I wonder what V1 speed is there, 50 knots?  

The full engine run up isn't always done at SNA anymore like it used to be. I know AA doesn't do it anymore with their 757s or 738s; AS does it intermittently depending on pilot preference. But that runway is still 900 ft longer than EYW.

Interestingly, it was done on an AR MD-80 departing from AEP when I flew out of there. Nothing like a nice jolt back into your seat.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4428 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10262 times:
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Quoting catiii (Reply 11):
Right, but with a 4800' runway I'm wondering if they take a weight penalty in order to make it a nonstop. For example, FL limited pax to one bag only (one checked bag) to, I believe, MCO and TPA. DL had a non-rev restriction of one checked bag to ATL. I also believe that there was an operational restriction based on a wet or dry runway.
Quoting catiii (Reply 17):
NOTE: All passengers traveling to or from Key West, Florida are limited to one checked bag. This supersedes all exceptions." https://www.delta.com/traveling_checkin/baggage/checked/index.jsp

Sorry I should of been more clear, I was just stating the service was non-stop. I'm sure there will be times there are more weight penalties than others. IIRC there are serious weight penalties if there is more than a 15 kt crosswind in EYW.


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

Buy an 'R', It's spelled LaGuardia. You've been listening to too many New Yorkers pronounce it LaGwahdeea.


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User currently offlineFlyingFan18 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10046 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 21):

As a New Yorker I am appalled I spelled it that way… eww. I’ll blame it on my iPhone though.   

I imagine fares would be out of this world? I wish I could try it!
- Justin

EDIT: I was just quoted a price of 497 a person… personally I think that is nuts.

[Edited 2012-10-11 15:25:44]

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6079 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10013 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 18):
I wonder if it would be possible to add just a bit to each end of the EYW runway - maybe 200 or 300 feet on each end?

I'm surprised they haven't tried tried to work out a deal with NAS Key West over the years...their longest runway is 10K feet. The NAS is still active but its not as busy as it was back in the 80/90's  



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User currently offlinedelta747tlv From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8838 times:

This 737 is the only aircraft that can pull this flight off, it is a captains landing and feels something akin to what I believe landing on an aircraft carrier would be.

25 spiritair97 : DL has sent the a319 into EYW from ATL, occasionally. Would this be able to do the flight with the same restrictions, as well?
26 toltommy : According to the great circle mapper its 1207nm LGA-EYW, and 1220nm DTW-EYW. If this experiment works, would DL look at adding new markets to EYW ona
27 PGNCS : Based on what reasoning? It's a 1200 mile flight to a popular destination that generally requires a connection. It's supply and demand.
28 incitatus : JJ does SDU-AJU 900+ miles daily on A319. Runway is 4340 ft.
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : DTW-EYW - no way, the market doesn't really exist LGA-EYW is being flown to capitalize on the large volume of local O&D seeking warm weather dest
30 VC10er : Just curious, can an EJet like an E170/190 make this trip and the Key West airstrip?
31 spiritair97 : US (RP) flies E-175s from CLT 2-3x a day on a seasonal basis, yes, they can make the EYW airstrip. As for making the trek to LGA, I'm not so sure. Th
32 toltommy : Really? I'd say if they can find 7 weeks a year where LGA-EYW is viable once a week, it certainly is from DTW. The Lake Erie Islands position themsel
33 NW747-400 : I've never seen a jet airliner not do this in EYW. At EV, we are required to do a full thrust, static, max effort takeoff in EYW every time. Is this
34 Post contains links catiii : 757 could get in and out of there too with a penalty: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/753sec3.pdf
35 XFSUgimpLB41X : You use a static takeoff out of EYW, which is holding the brakes, stabilizing the engines at 50%, releasing them and advancing to TOGA. All Boeing sta
36 Post contains links ADent : Looks like it will be OK from the charts. Not sure how this plays out in the real world though. Per ( Information Needed On Delta 737-700's (by ZKNBS
37 thegeek : Thanks. I figured as much - it's only the -800 which would struggle. I'm sure you could do it with a 757 or 767 too, if not an A330.
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : IDK about widebodies...
39 WDBRR : I know back in the late 80's, Eastern used to have one daily 727 from MIA-EYW-MIA....all the rest were turboprops.
40 FlyingFan18 : It's a high price but of course it's a premium travel time and a monopoly on the route. I saw some seats taken but not sure if the average family can
41 Post contains images enilria : This will be an operational disaster IMHO. EYW also gets plenty of wind and this operation will be extremely wind sensitive. I'm shocked. You wonder
42 John : Those flights out of EYW are typically capped in advance at 100 seats.
43 milesrich : LaGaudia? Miles Rich just shakes his head. With the increased traffic at EYW, has any thought been given to getting the Navy to allow joint civilian
44 Post contains images ouboy79 : You were told? LOL Try everyone was. You aren't THAT special. Thanks. Now Spirit is going to have a new dress code. Ugh. It doesn't make much sense t
45 toltommy : They'd need room on the base for a terminal, parking, etc, and there isn't room available at this time. Once the Castros are gone and Cuba is free, t
46 Josh32121 : All passengers are limited to a single checked bag into/out of EYW on all DL coded flights (even CR7)--not just non-revenue passengers. It's an excep
47 xdlx : Exactly...1. the facilites for passengers can not accomodate efficiently anything bigger than B737/A319 2. IIRC FL dept of Tourism Stats show 40% of
48 XFSUgimpLB41X : That's interesting because flying out of there on the 737 to ATL, I routinely had a butt in every seat on the airplane. That's 26 more than what you
49 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not on Delta. All 124 seats are sellable. Only the EV CR7s has seats blocked.
50 Highflier92660 : Let us all hope Delta has a successful Key West operation for many years. I've been into there twice with Delta as a passenger from ATL and both times
51 Post contains images mayor : Maybe the captain was ex-Navy. Ex-Air Force would go for the grease job.
52 Prost : Dayam! I heard that snap all the way here in Seattle!
53 mayor : And I'M ex-Air Force
54 Post contains links Viscount724 : A Trans Caribbean Airways 727-200 also overran that runway 6 years earlier and struck the hill, but fortunately with only 2 fatalities instead of 37.
55 airliner371 : Is WN EYW-MSY seasonal or year round?
56 xdlx : TO ATL YES TO LGA NO ( needs 2h more gas )
57 XFSUgimpLB41X : Its actually only about 1 hour farther than ATL. You're missing how much time is spent in climb/descent.
58 ADent : I wonder if the bag limit is due to the landing weight limits? Per the same charts (again not sure how accurate they are in the real world with wind a
59 FlyASAGuy2005 : EV's seats are blocked INTO EYW but not OUT of EYW. The CR7 will not eat up no where near 4,800 feet of runway because they are no where near MTOW fl
60 milesrich : After the accident, AA discontinued jet service to STT until the runway was lengthened, bought 5 Convair 440's to serve the island until the runway w
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