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'Biggest Airport' Set To Open In Beijing In 2017  
User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16357 times:

will have space for up to eight commercial runways though did not say how many gates

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...et-carry-130m-passengers-year.html

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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16269 times:

And there will be no inquiries, no objectors and no noise complaints.....

User currently offlinerOw44SeAtK From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16236 times:

Or Enviromental concerns


Somebody has to sit on that seat.
User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15989 times:

Jerry Jones is rumored to be a key investor.....

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15713 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15886 times:

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 3):
the way america use to run once upon a time

Yep.

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 6):
Jerry Jones is rumored to be a key investor.....

He gets crapped on unfairly a lot, he's actually a pretty good guy except for meddling. If he built the Beijing Airport it's only a matter of time before he heads up to the control tower.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15839 times:

This plan hasn't been approved. The land purchasing cost will be huge as the plan put it inside Beijing. Actually the fiscal income for Beijing Municipal Government has dropped significantly this year and it's hard to get bank loan to fund such a low yield project. (Yeah, we can communists but bankers are bankers!)

A more practically problem is that, there are way too many airports around Beijing now! There are 6 airports in the 30-km radius centered at Tiananmen Square: PEK, NAY, Xiaotangshan, Xijiao(PLAAF Base), Tongzhou(PLA Army Aviation Base) and Liangxiang(PLANNF Base). If these military airports can't be demolished, Beijing Capital Airport II will meet serious restrictions and the 9 runway plan is impossible.


User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15777 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 9):
This plan hasn't been approved.

If it ever materializes what a behemoth



User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15772 times:

A possible plan is here if you can read Chinese. It's much smaller, which contains 4 runways and 160 gates. And the stage I is smaller also, may have 2 runways and 1 terminal.

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_91fb4b0f0100wi5b.html


User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15691 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
He gets crapped on unfairly a lot, he's actually a pretty good guy except for meddling. If he built the Beijing Airport it's only a matter of time before he heads up to the control tower.

Haha Oh I know I just couldn't resist...

As for the airport, looking at the graphic from rmoore that is just rediculous.


User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12854 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15580 times:
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One nitpick, DEN has the potential to be even larger (12 runways, I'm not sure how many potential gates).

PEK is too impacted to compete with other asian hubs for growth. So O&D to Beijing will have to go elsewhere. It makes no sense to expand less than double current capacity... So this airport is actually *smaller* than I think Beijing could fill in the next 30 years.

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):
And there will be no inquiries, no objectors and no noise complaints.....
Quoting rOw44SeAtK (Reply 2):
Or Enviromental concerns

  

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 3):
the way america use to run once upon a time

We used to build infrastructure. Now we just fight it. Even for airports that used to be 'out there.'

Quoting something (Reply 4):
Move there.

Beijing has particularly bad air pollution. But at least they have infrastructure growth...

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 12):

As for the airport, looking at the graphic from rmoore that is just rediculous.

Why? Beijing has run out of airport capacity (or close to it). The 3-runway PEK airport doesn't have enough room to expand. If one is going to build a new airport, in phases, the final plan should be able to accommodate *at least* 15 years growth.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15713 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15461 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 12):
Haha Oh I know I just couldn't resist...

I've heard from some people who visited JerryWorld and wanted to hate it but just couldn't.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
We used to build infrastructure. Now we just fight it. Even for airports that used to be 'out there.'

Business and commerce has no problems finding places that don't fight it.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15386 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Quoting something (Reply 4):
Move there.

Beijing has particularly bad air pollution. But at least they have infrastructure growth...
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
We used to build infrastructure. Now we just fight it. Even for airports that used to be 'out there.'

Business and commerce has no problems finding places that don't fight it.

Why don't you just move there then, if the life quality is so great there? If ''economic growth'' doesn't translate into ''augmented life quality'', but actually into a deteoriation of it, then you are not progessing but regressing. Which seems on par with a lot of today's politics in ''the west''. You live in the west, so you should either be happy or move to China.



..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2015 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15358 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Why? Beijing has run out of airport capacity (or close to it). The 3-runway PEK airport doesn't have enough room to expand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there is still space available to build one more closely-spaced parallel runway on PEK's east side. The most recently built runway has stub taxiways that suggest another runway could be added there. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really solve the capacity issue, though, and once it is built, the site would be completely maxed out for expansion.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
We used to build infrastructure. Now we just fight it.

So true. I have a feeling we'll look back on the 1990s as the last great decade for American infrastructure. Projects like the new DEN, the Big Dig in Boston and Phoenix's massive new freeway network - all built during that decade - just aren't happening here anymore.

But not the point of this thread! Kudos to China for continuing to expand her airports. At least there's somewhere that infrastructure junkies can see pictures of dirt flying!


User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15281 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
DEN has the potential to be even larger (12 runways

Yes an impressive layout indeed




User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12854 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15146 times:
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Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 17):
Yes an impressive layout indeed

Very impressive.   I"ve seen another layout with another terminal south of the road.    But that might have just been a concept. Does DEN own that land?



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User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15054 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
Does DEN own that land?

Couldn't say, wish i could answer that


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14959 times:

The Daily Mail is a year behind, this was announced on the 12th October 2011 by Netherlands Airport Consultants:

http://www.naco.nl/english/news/news...cohokbeijingdesigncompetition.html

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
So this airport is actually *smaller* than I think Beijing could fill in the next 30 years.

I would agree with that.

And whilst Terminal 3 is a beautiful design, I don't think they designed sufficient runway/taxiway infrastructure to serve it. Really they could have done with twin parallel runways on each side.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
Does DEN own that land?

It's the second largest airport in the world by area, with 140 square kilometers of land, so I would guess so.


Dan  



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14672 times:

According to a recent Aviation Week article, the current plan is to move all SkyTeam carriers to the new airport.
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article/...2_p0-498556.xml&p=1&printView=true


User currently offlinermoore7734 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

that article also says the runways are cut down to 4 (down from the 9)

User currently offlineFiedman From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14157 times:

I wonder how it would compair to the proposed Dubai World Central in size.

http://www.dwc.ae/



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4000 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13752 times:

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 16):
So true. I have a feeling we'll look back on the 1990s as the last great decade for American infrastructure.

The US could be worse - it could be like the UK....


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13696 times:

More details From the Skyscraper website...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=276618&page=79

That's enormous growth if you ask me... Would more than likely surpass the DXB...

EK413



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12905 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 24):
The US could be worse - it could be like the UK....

To be fair, outside of aviation the UK isn't doing badly. But when it comes to aviation we fall flat on our face.


Dan  



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11530 times:

I was wondering when DEN would get in this thread.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
Very impressive.   I"ve seen another layout with another terminal south of the road.    But that might have just been a concept. Does DEN own that land?

First, yes, they own the land to the South nearly to 28th Ave, East to past Imboden Road in places, (not sure about the Northern or Western limit, though highly undeveloped to the North meaning easy annex).

While their MP does give thought to 12 runways, it will absolutely never come to fruition unless there is another $10b or so 'use it or lose it' laying around because it isnt needed (particularly in a N/S, E/W configuration as the MP plays out). DEN doesnt utilize the layout they have right now, though part of this is due to DEN approach and their saturation not being able to fill the runways. With the new RNAV Stars coming, perhaps feeding approach the rate could go up but I still cant see the traffic count high enough to support more than what the airport has now. Even in CAT III conditions, approach has only run trips twice and neither time was due to volume, it just isnt needed.

As for the OP, meh, Bejing isnt doing it with a white tent roof 

My $.02



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7175 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11153 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):
And there will be no inquiries, no objectors and no noise complaints.....
Quoting rOw44SeAtK (Reply 2):
Or Enviromental concerns

It's China. Do you ever think they'll listen to anyone?

Quoting rmoore7734 (Reply 10):
If it ever materializes what a behemoth

Here's a question. PEK is a large airport sure, but would a monster like this actually constitute anything? It seems like it would simply turn into a ghost town in 20 or so years, given the changing demographics of China.


Waste of land, time, resources, and money.



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25 BMI727 : I don't know how their budgeting and construction plans are done, but it could be one of those deals where they have to ask for way more than needed
26 Post contains links StickShaker : Taken from the Naco wewebsite http://www.naco.nl/english/worldwide...ing-new-international-airport.html ...... NACO paid special attention to sustain
27 Post contains links Rara : The only news-worthy item in this thread is this: What baffles me about this project is that all we know about it is from sketchy sources - the Daily
28 Post contains links rmoore7734 : [quote=neutronstar73,reply=24]If you miss America from those times, go ahead and pack up for China. Enjoy cancer, choking on the air you breath, and y
29 justinlee : I searched the website for China’s Development and Reform Commission. The so-called pre feasibility report for Beijing Airport II has been handed o
30 EPA001 : NACO (http://www.naco.nl/) is a world leading airport planning company who also handled the current Beijing International Airport among others. They
31 huaiwei : Oh yeah. So why don't they just bulldoze everything around the current PEK and expand it? So America and the developed world basically caused most of
32 ushermittwoch : You're quoting Infowars? Well, now I understand hwere your ridiculous statements in this thread stem from.
33 Post contains links rmoore7734 : They sourced it from this site http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/21/re...ed-generators-slated-for-shutdown/
34 PHX787 : That's a very....odd....way to put it but no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that the population of China is beginning to level off because of their
35 airfrnt : It was a concept that the new Kim Day floated, but there wasn't much support in the community for it. Day's also been trying to get the city council
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