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First Commercial Service A380 China Southern To LA  
User currently offlineAMX748 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

Hi everybody!

According to flightradar24, flight CZ 327 is overflying the neighborhoods of Shangai at this time. Speed 563 knots, FL 311 (aprox. 9500 m, remember China airspace is in meters, not feet). In 11 hours more it will be landing at LAX.

¿How do you think this new aircraft will operate from LAX? ¿Is there too much offer? Greetings!

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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

Here's the link:

http://www.flightradar24.com/CSN327


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17663 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Quoting AMX748 (Thread starter):
¿How do you think this new aircraft will operate from LAX?

Their current 777 operation isn't that full, just recently got up to daily service, and CAN is poisonous to US carriers apparently. Good luck!



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAMX748 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6178 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Their current 777 operation isn't that full, just recently got up to daily service, and CAN is poisonous to US carriers apparently. Good luck!

Poisonous??!! I didn't get it! Is there a hub of Chinese aviation mafia or something like that?


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6120 times:
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Quoting AMX748 (Reply 3):
Poisonous??!! I didn't get it! Is there a hub of Chinese aviation mafia or something like that?

there is a lot of naysaying here about China Southern upgrading LAX to A380, that's all

When China Southern ordered those A380s, one of the routes they had in mine was LAX

this route should do fine with the A380, just give it time


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6103 times:
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here's flightaware's track, 9 hrs 40 mns out

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CSN327


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17663 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

Quoting AMX748 (Reply 3):

Poisonous??!! I didn't get it! Is there a hub of Chinese aviation mafia or something like that?

NW/DL has never made it work, UA stopped trying, even many EU carriers have reduced or dropped CAN.



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5742 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
NW/DL has never made it work, UA stopped trying, even many EU carriers have reduced or dropped CAN.

CAN is just too close to HKG. But the CZ changed a lot recent years and they are aggressively promoting their 380 routes, especially CAN-LAX. The service quality is really good on their 380! I hope they can work because they are actually far better than CA or MU considering the service. Just take a look at some trip reports on their 380 on A-net like this:

Inaugural- China Southern Air A380 HKG-PEK-HKG F+C (by sutrakhk Mar 4 2012 in Trip Reports)?threadid=211358&searchid=211358&s=China#ID211358


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25768 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

Considering their LAX flight has operated year to date with mere 48.2% LF using a 777-200, the A380 is a needless flood of capacity on the route.


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User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Considering their LAX flight has operated year to date with mere 48.2% LF using a 777-200, the A380 is a needless flood of capacity on the route.

   CZ is flooding the market with cheap fares out of LAX. You can connect to SYD, DPS, PKT, for hundreds less than on other other airlines. I am with you , they might fill the plane but at horrible yields.


User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):

Considering their LAX flight has operated year to date with mere 48.2% LF using a 777-200, the A380 is a needless flood of capacity on the route.

You're probably right. But I hope they keep it just the same. It's a good opportunity to work the type, since China Southern is one of ours at that station.


Sooo... Anyone headed out to Proud Bird or Imperial Hill to watch her come in?



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5434 times:
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Bring that extra 777-200ER to SEA!!! LOL!

User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

The flight would do better if the not needing a transit visa went smoother. All 3 people I know that transited via China in the past 2 years have had a horrible time getting from one flight to the next (delayed by police, hassled as to why they didn't have a visa). I know 3 is not many, but when hearing this and knowing the ease of transiting other Asian airports; you look elsewhere.

User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Quoting hhslax2 (Reply 12):
The flight would do better if the not needing a transit visa went smoother. All 3 people I know that transited via China in the past 2 years have had a horrible time getting from one flight to the next (delayed by police, hassled as to why they didn't have a visa). I know 3 is not many, but when hearing this and knowing the ease of transiting other Asian airports; you look elsewhere.

Actually there is a 24 hours transit without visa arrangement in China's 3 main airports (PEK,PVG,CAN). But the passengers still need to pass the passport check due to the design of the airport (the departure flow and arrival flow is seperated in different floors). And the police is always in lack of efficiency...For example, check this:

http://www.airchina.com.au/en/AU-TWOV.html



[Edited 2012-10-12 19:09:39]

User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 13):
Actually there is a 24 hours transit without visa arrangement in China's 3 main airports (PEK,PVG,CAN).

My 3 firends and I know that. Immigration and police at the airports don't seem to know/follow that rule. That's the problem.


User currently offlineAMX748 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Well, in my point of view, here is the best video which shows the work of landing gear cushions absorbing the impact of touchdown.

At this time, this A380 if flying back to CAN, about 160 miles west of Anadyr (DYR) Russia. Meanwhile, today evening arrval A380 is overflying Pudong airport.

Time of this post, 14:42 Z

The link for the landing video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdu5CmnMq6I


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3151 times:
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awesome video, thanks for sharing

My friend said there were several people at the In-N-Out


User currently onlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1535 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

In deference to this question posed by the OP:

Quoting AMX748 (Thread starter):
¿Is there too much offer?

A couple of replies best sum the situation:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Their current 777 operation isn't that full...
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 9):
CZ is flooding the market with cheap fares out of LAX. You can connect to SYD, DPS, PKT, for hundreds less than on other other airlines. I am with you , they might fill the plane but at horrible yields.

In advance of introducing the A380 CAN-LAX-CAN, CZ had economy promo fares of USD $700.00 r/t. Domestic connections ex-CAN....free!!!



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Their current 777 operation isn't that full, just recently got up to daily service, and CAN is poisonous to US carriers apparently. Good luck!

I check the system and the load factor is pretty good at least in first 3 days.

CZ 327 10-13 F/C/Y:8/70/424 Booking: 3/54/380
CZ 327 10-14 F/C/Y:8/70/424 Booking: 0/40/361
CZ 327 10-15 F/C/Y:8/70/424 Booking: 2/23/369


CZ 328 10-13 F/C/Y:8/70/412 Booking: 2/68/360
CZ 328 10-14 F/C/Y:8/70/412 Booking: 6/57/367
CZ 328 10-15 F/C/Y:8/70/412 Booking: 4/63/355


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