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New Frontier #39  
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24955 posts, RR: 85
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21463 times:
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A couple of items to start things off.

I've been scratching my head at the power that the Mercer freeholders have, because, presumably, if they had voted against Frontier the service wouldn't have happened.

Happily, they voted unanimously in favor of it:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ercer_county_freeholders_unan.html

"Mercer County Freeholders unanimously pass Frontier Airlines agreement

We are here at the right time, with the right plane and the right strategy,” said Robert Ashcroft, Frontier’s senior vice president for finance, during his presentation to the freeholders yesterday. He said ticket sales had already been robust for the scheduled flights to and from Orlando, Fla."


But not to be Little Mary Sunshine, there is a downside at TTN. Signature has just dropped its flights to Bedford MA (its only commercial flights), and while the Freeholders were positive, they were not all starry-eyed:

“In my years on this board we have had a lot of airlines come in here and I’ve heard them all and they all promised a lot of things,” Carabelli said. “But I am willing to keep on trying until we hit pay dirt.”

Given the notorious NIMBY-ism there, though, I wonder what happens IF Frontier (or anyone) adds flights at TTN - what number the tipping point against new service would be?

Separately, Frontier's on-time performance at DEN has improved. For the second month in a row it is #1 of the Big Three airlines there - although not #1 overall:

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...er-posts-best-on-time-rate-of.html

"Frontier posts best on-time rate of DIA's big 3 airlines"

The new COO - Bendo - at work, perhaps?

And AMR has announced COU-DFW and COU-ORD - I wonder if this hurts or improves the chances of COU-DEN?

mariner


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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21436 times:

I understand you like F9 but why do we need this thread anymore? We should do what we do with every other airline and have a thread for a specific topic. It makes it more organized and gives each topic a common ground. I think this chain thread should be closed for good.


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24955 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21408 times:
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Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1):
I understand you like F9 but why do we need this thread anymore? We should do what we do with every other airline and have a thread for a specific topic. It makes it more organized and gives each topic a common ground. I think this chain thread should be closed for good.


As I recall, you started thread #38, the last thread, which reached 282 posts.   

You can always ask for deletion and we can go back to the old days, when there would often be four or five live Frontier threads. I'm easy either way.

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-12 11:44:38]


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User currently offlineKBJCpilot From United States of America, joined May 2012, 158 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21361 times:

I prefer it this way as I really got tired of reading all of the Frontier threads where there would be duplicate posts and debate throughout all threads. As a vendor to F9 I find these discussions helpful and they help me communicate with my contacts inside of Frontier which adds value to our relationship. I can honestly say that because of these threads my company has been better informed and better able to help Frontier realize thousands of dollars in savings over the past 18 months.

Keep 'em coming.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21357 times:

For TTN I understand the boards frustration as the airport has been not the best record of success but i think it really has potential especially in this high fuel world we are in. Florida has already proven succesful indiviudually as a route for Eastwind regardless of the airline and NIMBYs. I did not see any mention in the article of the county/state/airport etc giving Frontier any money which i thought was interesting? Granted i am on a smart phone but is Frontier trying TTN unsubsidized? I have not seen anything and tried to look that up. Eastwind did proove there is a solid market from TTN to Florida is someone flys it its the safest destination

Quoting mariner (Thread starter):
And AMR has announced COU-DFW and COU-ORD - I wonder if this hurts or improves the chances of COU-DEN?

I would say hurts. I think most airports and businesses would rather have AA Eagle with more daily type regional service and its connection power than Frontier. Frontier might be better for low budget vacationers etc but they are also more willing to drive to MCI or STL anyway with the family in a mini van. The businesses probably really wanted Eagle over a less than daily service and who can blame them.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21344 times:

With TTN. I understand the boards frustration as the airport has been not the best record of success but i think it really has potential especially in this high fuel world we are in. Florida has already proven succesful indiviudually as a route for Eastwind regardless of the airline and NIMBYs. I hope Frontier flies this i would hate to see TTN sit there

Quoting mariner (Thread starter):
And AMR has announced COU-DFW and COU-ORD - I wonder if this hurts or improves the chances of COU-DEN?

I would say hurts. I think most airports and businesses would rather have AA Eagle with more daily type regional service and its connection power than Frontier. Frontier might be better for vacationers etc but they are also more willing to drive to MCI or STL anyway with the family in a mini van.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24955 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21318 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):
I did not see any mention in the article of the county/state/airport etc giving Frontier any money which i thought was interesting?

That surprised me - as in fall over in shock. I wonder if there is deal that falls outside the scope of this - or if, indeed, Frontier is "going it alone."

if so, that changes things. If so, it suggests that Silent Siegel is not risk averse.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
I would say hurts. I think most airports and businesses would rather have AA Eagle with more daily type regional service and its connection power than Frontier. Frontier might be better for vacationers etc but they are also more willing to drive to MCI or STL anyway with the family in a mini van.

I think it toss a coin, just because it is DEN - which, according to some reports, is the "favored destination" from COU.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/sep/19/airport/

"I was surprised to learn the other day from a presumably reliable source that more people flying from Columbia would aim for Denver than Chicago, but upon a bit of contemplation I can believe it. Both are attractive destination cities. Denver is the largest hub to the entire west. Chicago is only one of several going northeast."

Doesn't mean it would be Frontier, of course. With American and Delta at COU, can United be far behind?

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-12 12:24:25]


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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 810 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day ago) and read 21169 times:
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LJ (Larry Jr.) (N934FR) took off from South Bend, Indiana this morning marking Frontier's inaugural flight from SBN-DEN. The flight was full. Now Michiana travelers do not need to connect at ORD to get to someplace in the west. The flight is also perfectly timed as the folks do not need to get up early as they would if connecting in DTW or ORD. I think we can also thank Allegiant for stimulating the traffic at SBN making these SBN-DEN flights viable for Frontier. As folks can see in the video the old A3 jetway easily fit the A319 and also F9 now has the biggest pushback tractor at the airport.

http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/N...enver-to-South-Bend-173941631.html


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 21157 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 2):
You can always ask for deletion and we can go back to the old days, when there would often be four or five live Frontier threads. I'm easy either way.

I mean its nothing against anyone, I just think it would be better to do what we do with every other airline instead of grouping it. B6 makes just a many announcements but their we have no problems with separate threads. Just my 2 cents.   



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24955 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 21118 times:
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Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):
I mean its nothing against anyone, I just think it would be better to do what we do with every other airline instead of grouping it. B6 makes just a many announcements but their we have no problems with separate threads. Just my 2 cents.

For whatever reason (perhaps before your time here?) Frontier has always attracted a lot of threads, seemingly more than several other airlines, which is why these "omnibus" came about. At the time they were started, there were six live Frontier threads.

Surely, the concept of them has attracted negativity, not just from Southwest supporters, and there have also been attempts to start omnibus threads about other airlines.

Not everything said here warrants its own thread and there are other live threads about Frontier now. Here, for example:

F9 To Relocate To MSY? (by QF74 Oct 9 2012 in Civil Aviation)

So I'm not sure what the perceived problem is and people seem to like these threads, whether their attitudes to Frontier are positive or, quite often, negative.

If not, if no one is interested, these threads will simply go away - for that lack of interest.

As I've said, I'm easy, I'll post anywhere. My known interest in Frontier has long made me wary of starting these - but I probably wouldn't post some of the information that comes to me in other threads.

mariner



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5438 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 20941 times:

After 39 threads, each with hundreds of posts, I would tend to say the Frontier threads are a clear success. Why should we kill off something that clearly has been well-received by so many? Besides, there are a number of other similar threads, though they tend to be geo-politically vs carrier related.

Anyhow, I hope the threads continue. I've learned a lot about Frontier as well as the industry as a whole.

-Dave



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3040 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 20749 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1):

With less than two months of tenure to A-net lets file this in the Greenhorn stack.

Quoting KBJCpilot (Reply 3):
I prefer it this way

As do I, a single carrier (usually) where multiple interest or subjects issues can be discussed. Consolidation in most cases is sound.



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 20724 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 11):
With less than two months of tenure to A-net

Well I have been here not as a member for years, none the less it was just to see what people thought.



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 20727 times:

Mariner,
I have been hearing through a lot of sources about a tie-up/merger/acquisition between Spirit and Frontier.
With the ex CFO of Frontier now at Spirit, the rumblings are even more so. I was wondering what your
thoughts on this were. You are the resident expert on all things F9. Do you see this happening?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24955 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 20694 times:
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Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 13):
I have been hearing through a lot of sources about a tie-up/merger/acquisition between Spirit and Frontier.
With the ex CFO of Frontier now at Spirit, the rumblings are even more so. I was wondering what your
thoughts on this were.

I haven't heard anything about that - which doesn't mean it isn't happening, only that I haven;t heard about it.

Anything is possible, but a sale to another airline is the least likely of the three options available to Republic.

I don't think any other airline would pay enough money.

Assuming all goes to plan, that Frontier becomes continuously profitable, then even as a minority investor Republic is likely to make out like bandits with the eventual IPO of the eventual spin-off and BB has said Republic will be "patient investors" until it happens.

I have always thought that TPG might have some interest in this, since Silent Siegel is "their guy."

But if someone comes along and offers a big stash of cash, that could easily change. It would have to be a fairly big stash, though.

It's a long game and it's a money game - more than an airline game.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-13 11:03:37]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3040 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 20621 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 12):
Well I have been here not as a member for years,

A belated welcome.



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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20500 times:

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 13):
Mariner,
I have been hearing through a lot of sources about a tie-up/merger/acquisition between Spirit and Frontier.
With the ex CFO of Frontier now at Spirit, the rumblings are even more so. I was wondering what your
thoughts on this were. You are the resident expert on all things F9. Do you see this happening?

This rumor has been going on for years. I am sure the two sides have sat down a few times. F9 is becoming more attractive now that it is generating profits, and turning around. However, that raises the price big time for F9. I agree that it would be a great tie up for both airlines for sure. One important thing to consider is the difference in culture. If F9 becomes Spirit, it would require a dramatic change to F9 and its employees. If Spirit became Frontier, it would require a dramatic change to Spirit and its employees. Kind of a culture shock if you ask me.

If it did happen, I would much rather see F9 name and style remain, and perhaps adapt to some of Spirits ways. Again, this rumor has been active for years. There was also the rumor of G4, and even US. Whatever the case, it appears that F9 is going it solo, and has really changed for the better. Excited to hear about the possibility of a new IFE system on F9! Now, that is not the Spirit way.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20436 times:

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 13):
a tie-up/merger/acquisition between Spirit and Frontier.
Quoting F9animal (Reply 16):
I would much rather see F9 name and style remain, and perhaps adapt to some of Spirits ways. Again, this rumor has been active for years.

Going into the world of what-if, assuming that there is any tie-up/merger/acquisition between F9 and NK, I think that it best be one in which both remain separate carriers, and have one corporate entity manage any synergies that would occur with this. Something along the lines of AF/KL (although reportedly the AF brand is dragging down the profits KL brings in) because it seems that any diddlling, especially with F9, would just upset a lot of balance that F9 has recently achieved to become profitable. And NK also works pretty well as it is now.

So...... there probably are synergies to be realized and gained with such a consolidation. However, each brand has of late become set in how they achieve their profits, and both have their niches (and big picture-wise somehow non-complimentary with each other) in which it seems that even any slight changes could very well upset the profitable balance that both carriers now produce.

 


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20338 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
A belated welcome.

Hahaha, thank you!



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3040 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20112 times:

Smarter Travel top 10 poll of air carriers who offer on-board IFE http://www.smartertravel.com/photo-g...ml?id=241&photo=27180&max_photos=7

I am completely shocked F9 did not make it in the top ten of the poll. If you compare apples with apples I thought their IFE product is as good if not better than a couple carriers which made the list. Any thoughts as to why? My first thought was the poll was skewed in someway possibly because of the ULCC branding.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20095 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
I haven't heard anything about that - which doesn't mean it isn't happening, only that I haven;t heard about it.

Anything is possible, but a sale to another airline is the least likely of the three options available to Republic.

I don't think any other airline would pay enough money.

Assuming all goes to plan, that Frontier becomes continuously profitable, then even as a minority investor Republic is likely to make out like bandits with the eventual IPO of the eventual spin-off and BB has said Republic will be "patient investors" until it happens.

I have always thought that TPG might have some interest in this, since Silent Siegel is "their guy."

But if someone comes along and offers a big stash of cash, that could easily change. It would have to be a fairly big stash, though.

It's a long game and it's a money game - more than an airline game.

I dont think Republic is even thinking they can ever break even on Frontier/Midwest from all the money they spent and time and additional employees studying planning moving the HQ then removing it back to Denver etc etc.


They have to be "patient" investors i dont think they have a single option right now...no one wants to buy a DEN hub, no one needs the airbus fleet so badly, and who is gonna buy Frontier stock right now?

Even best case lets say frontier is continuously profitable its still unstable and vulnerable no one is gonna throw mega bucks for it will they? I know you love Frontier but i think Republic is willing to loose money in a sale easily to get it off its hands. I doubt anyone there thinks its ever gonna be a good profitable long term investment they just have to act like that they its an investment and they want to sell it and look optomistic. Making money a few quarters or years is not going to cover Republic either i think they would prefer to just get out quickly the option doesnt exist right now. If spirit wants it they would demand a great price im sure Denver is a risky market but Republic would sell at a loss IMHO to how much they have thrown into the airline. In the end its an investment Republic clearly wishes they didnt make and will spin off the airline if they have too not make a ton in cash but to get it out of their hands. i would not listen to a work Republic or Frontier says they have to say its looking good Republic cant publically say they want to ditch it but moving the HQ and wanting to spin it off are clearly that its called buyers remource and the store has no return policy. I think Republic very much wants a sale its just that no one wants to buy it and acquire that DEN hub and be up against WN and UA except maybe spirit. Spirit would be a great option for Frontier IMHO they are shifting ot the ULCC format anyway and it would keep alot of the jobs in Denver and MCO woudlnt it? Times are so tough i want prices to remain competative and people to keep their jobs obviously


User currently offlineairlinewatcher1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20060 times:

Anybody notice the website newfrontierairlines.com? It's worth a look. Think what you will about this proposal, but this John Miller gets an "A" for ambition and effort. What do you suppose the likelihood of this actually happening and being a success?

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20042 times:

Quoting airlinewatcher1 (Reply 21):
Anybody notice the website newfrontierairlines.com? It's worth a look. Think what you will about this proposal, but this John Miller gets an "A" for ambition and effort. What do you suppose the likelihood of this actually happening and being a success?

Very low chance it happens or could be successful. Thru lots of trial and error all profitable hub cities are already hubs or being on the way out i think.

I questioned how authentic that website is? I made many similar hypothetical papers and proposals as an MBA student that would have looked just like that.


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Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20040 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 20):
I dont think Republic is even thinking they can ever break even on Frontier/Midwest from all the money they spent and time and additional employees studying planning moving the HQ then removing it back to Denver etc etc.

Sorry, but BB has said it.

He explained what was going on to the staff, and said Republic will make its money on the eventual IPO - and until then they will be "patient investors."

No private investor expects to make money, at least it the venture days, from an airline's profits - they expect to make money from the IPO - even the 2PO.

Venture capitalist George Soros hasn't made any money from JetBlue's profits, it's never declared a dividend. He sold a big bunch of shares with the IPO and just afterwards, when the share were about $40 - and are worth $5 now.

Oaktree Capital did a similar thing with Spirit. It didn't hand around waiting to make its money back from profits. It sold a big bunch of shares with the IPO and then sold the rest of them later. Oaktree is now completely out of Spirit.

Republic is the venture capitalist here.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 20):
They have to be "patient" investors i dont think they have a single option right now...no one wants to buy a DEN hub, no one needs the airbus fleet so badly, and who is gonna buy Frontier stock right now?

No one, because - again - they're not selling it "right now."

The whole thing rests on Frontier becoming continuously profitable, at which point the equation changes. This is why Silent Siegel is so laser focussed on profit - not growth.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 20):
I know you love Frontier but i think Republic is willing to loose money in a sale easily to get it off its hands.

I don't know what my supposed "love" for Frontier has to do with it. I'm just going by what BB has said and my ownunderstanding of how these deals are done.

There is also psychology at work. If BB sells Frontier for peanuts, it's a blemish on his reputation as an expert money man. If he turns it around and RJET shareholders make money, then his reputation is enhanced.

One mo 'time - it isn't about airlines. It is about money. If Republic's Frontier had been the most successful airline in the world there would still have been an IPO.

mariner

[Edited 2012-10-14 16:32:58]


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Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20021 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
his is why Silent Siegel is so laser focussed on profit - not growth.

It may be worth saying a few words about Silent Siegel.

Much of his reputation among airline people is based on his disastrous experience at US Airways, but of course, he had a life before that, especially at Continental.

Here's what the legendary CEO of Continental - Gordon Bethune - had to say about him, and others:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/09/bu...edicine.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

"But Mr. Siegel's trial by fire came at Continental, which underwent a broad restructuring after Mr. Bethune took over in 1994. Mr. Siegel helped close the airline's no-frills arm, Continental Lite, which had lost $140 million since it began. He later was president of Continental Express, the regional jet operator.

''Dave is an architect of our revitalized airline,'' Mr. Bethune said. ''You couldn't ask for a better executive in charge of scheduling. He's no slouch on the other side either, when we had to make the company profitable and reliable. He put the investment in the maintenance programs that make the company work reliably.''

When Mr. Siegel joined Avis, he brought along people he knew at Continental and Northwest. He set out to broaden Avis's customer base beyond business travelers and to raise revenue with an airline technique called yield management. ''He's a rare combination of an excellent strategic thinker with very good operating skills,'' said John Chidsey, chairman of the vehicle services division of Cendant, Avis's parent. ''He certainly helped us focus much more on the leisure business.''

As he did at Avis, Mr. Siegel has hired colleagues from previous jobs. He says he needs people who can not only deal with labor, but can also carry out his other restructuring plans, which include finding a code-share partner, increasing the use of regional jets and strengthening hubs.

When asked why they would join him at a floundering company, he said: ''I don't know. Clinical insanity?'' Then he gave what he said he believed to be the real answer -- the chance to experience the pure rush of transforming a company in a matter of months, something many executives yearn for."


A lot of people have asked me if I think he will stay at Frontier, and I don't know. He may decide the time has come to enjoy running an airline.

But - once a fix-it man, always a fix-it man? Silent Siegel himself said this, of Continental Express:

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/ar...-express-resigns-siegel-moves.html

""My work here is largely complete," he said. "We've turned the company around."

mariner



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25 airliner371 : Executives lie a lot to everyone including employees.
26 mariner : If you want to take that view, there isn't much anyone can say and debate becomes pointless. But since, from the start of this, March 2011, the FAPA
27 airliner371 : I was not making any opinion or anything by saying they lie, I was just putting that out their. I was not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone.
28 mariner : Then I have no idea why you would make that statement within this context. mariner
29 airliner371 : Because I would say it about anyone. Dave Barger, Richard Anderson, Jeff Simsik, all executives lie and so if someone says "___ said" then I want to
30 mariner : I don't follow any of those people, I have no idea if they have "lied" or not. On balance I would think it extremely unlikely. because the price is s
31 GentFromAlaska : Twenty or more years ago I would have agreed with you. For the senior leadership to skew or skirt the truth in today's environment is a one way ticke
32 slcdeltarumd11 : I simply disagree with you. Republic has no options and has to say these things it means nothing.[Edited 2012-10-14 22:12:20]
33 mariner : Republic has three options, which have all been defined by BB. It has four, if you count the dissolution of Frontier. The question then comes, why ar
34 freakyrat : DGS is ground servicing F9 at SBN. As far as loads go, SBN is doing good and better these two home football weekends.
35 F9animal : I have to laugh at that statement. If Frontier is continuously profitable, the airline is more stable, and less vulnerable. And yes, investors throw
36 uncgso : how are the GSO loads looking? any chance of seeing a GSO-DEN route if Orlando does well? or a BOS-TTN-GSO-MCO flight? a la Eastwind?
37 mariner : Several people have asked me what I think Frontier will look like after the restructure, and I think it will be reasonably close to what we see now. A
38 dbo861 : Are you forgetting UA? They fly DSM-DEN as well..with mainline.
39 BluYonder : Perhaps a sign of things to come, F9 is pulling out of TYS-MCO effective 1/6/13. It competed with G4 service to SFB. Strange F9 couldn't compete and m
40 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : I still think a few good routes would involve PHF; PHF-DCA-PHF perhaps as a gateway of sorts to the Tidewater area of Virgina. Maybe YX/Republic woul
41 mariner : Sorry, I meant LCC. mariner
42 Post contains links and images mariner : There are a couple of articles here about the New Orleans/"New Frontier Airlines" project: Crank Flier has the best headline: "Who the F*&@ is New
43 GentFromAlaska : Are we sure this is not a seasonal reduction? seen in the OAG thread EF9 MCO-TYS JAN 0.3>0.1 I read it as a reduction from 2-3 flights a week to o
44 BluYonder : It's toast, never comes back thru May 15th published schedule.
45 iowaman : This is an aviation discussion forum so I"m not sure why it should be closed for good. Feel free to start your own thread on another airline if you w
46 sdoyon : I think 0.1 here represents 4 days during the month, which would make sense, seeing as the first 4 or so days in Jan are the days it operates.
47 airlinewatcher1 : If Frontier were a less volatile airline, we'd probably see less discussions about it here. But Frontier is still searching for its niche in the indus
48 Post contains links mariner : It seems that the city of New Orleans didn't think too much of the proposal, either: http://www.businessreport.com/articl...SSREPORT0112/121019825/0/
49 sideflare75 : Republic Airlines took the YX code when Republic Airways bought Midwest and have been using it ever since. It used to be RW but that went away within
50 Post contains links mariner : Silent Siegel speaks! - and says some interesting stuff. It isn't all new, but it is worth reiteration: http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...o-siege
51 Post contains links and images AirframeAS : Remember that BB did a stunt on Undercover Boss? Well..... This isn't F9's first time being in the spotlight on national TV. I found this gem on YouTu
52 type-rated : And a few of the people in that class that was in that show are a.net members! I saw Pam working a Frontier flight I was on (IAH-DEN) back around the
53 Post contains links mariner : I don't really understand what "Sprinklr" is or what it does, but whatever it is Frontier is getting it: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fro...anagem
54 NWADTWE16 : I thoroughly enjoy these threads and cast my vote to keep them running in this format..i read them all and its easy to keep up to date on F9 this way
55 Post contains images AirframeAS : Here is what I don't get.... F9 is going haywire on social media, yet they still don't have an app for iPhone nor for the Android. I think it's way d
56 airliner371 : I'm not the only naysayer, many people have voiced their concerns over the 39 threads. Even so, this has been resolved for over a week.
57 AirframeAS : I find that pretty difficult to believe. If so many members objected to these F9 threads, we wouldn't have gotten this far with #39. Being on the 39t
58 airliner371 : I said it was resolved. I asked what people thought and they said they liked it. Its resolved. Its not ending. I didn't say majority I just said many
59 freakyrat : A tech savvy airline like Virgin America doesn't have an App either. App's are a full time job just to update them and keep them running right.
60 NWADTWE16 : i commented today because i was catching up on the thread and reacted to your statement before finishing the rest of the posts...its what i wouldve s
61 AirframeAS : Except, VX hasn't been around as long as F9 has. Plus, with so much attention that F9 devotes on Facebook and Twitter, they can manage to run an app
62 smoot4208 : While not F9 related, WN is ending DEN-BUR with their latest schedule extension. While that doesn't mean anything for F9, it is the 1st DEN route WN h
63 Post contains links mariner : And I missed this announcement a month ago, but Allegiant has "suspended" COS-AZA. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...s-colorado-springs-phoenix-
64 SANFan : Which, according to the last to OAG threads, IS being reduced next year. If both cx are trimming the route, well, it might confirm that the traffic m
65 mariner : That may well be true of some flights, but I never know how to read those OAG threads, at least for five or six months out. Frontier extended the boo
66 intheair10 : It's officially not a rumor anymore. 5 190s going to Caesars. Republic Airways, Caesars Entertainment Sign Three-Year Flight Agreement INDIANAPOLIS--(
67 smoot4208 : So by January 10 E190s and the last remaining ERJ will go. Republic has already leased out some of its slots, so it looks like operationally, 3 DCA s
68 NWADTWE16 : What is it about the E190 that makes it not profitable? I love that aircraft and without knowing specifics i would imagine it would be perfect for an
69 GentFromAlaska : I agree. My armchair thoughts lean on the side of operating a single family of aircraft in a ULCC model. As best I can tell ULCC remains a undefined
70 mikefrommke : Only 99 seats has too high of a CASM for a low fare carrier like Frontier. I agree it is a great plane from a customer perspective, but even JetBlue
71 bahadir : This is just my speculation on this.. 190s burn about 2200 lbs/hr/engine on the normal cruise. RAH management decided to operate them with 99 seats ,
72 mariner : It is a difficult aircraft in a low fare situation. In Republic's fleet survey last year, using Frontiers generally low fares as the average (and oil
73 airliner371 : Actually starting Sunday. DCA will be down to 6 daily departures and that is what it is currently scheduled to stay at through the entire schedule. L
74 mariner : BIL, BIS, BZN, BMI, CID and SBA go to A319 in January so I can't think of too many DEN E190 routes left except MOT, DRO and DEN-COS - at least for now
75 bjorn14 : IYHO, how much cash would it take for RAH to sell F9 outright to a buyer?
76 AirframeAS : Probably not enough.....meaning that RAH would sell it for wayyyy more than its really worth.
77 Post contains images mariner : For RAH to come out "clean"? Whatever you think is a fair number and then add $150 million to that. The point of the exercise is not necessarily to "
78 bjorn14 : But currently I could buy all of RAH on the open market for $228M (providing 51% is on the market) and then sell/spin off the parts I don't want.
79 mariner : Sure, you could do that, too. I'm not sure why you would and it comes back to BB's point when the separation was announced. - no one wanted Frontier
80 Post contains links and images mariner : Good Q3 for Frontier: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/republ...dings-reports-third-214500916.html "Frontier Segment Summary For the quarter ended Septem
81 CIDFlyer : sweet! happy to see my hometown CID and others getting mainline service!
82 NWADTWE16 : Nice F9! Keep them coming....
83 Post contains images F9animal : Uhhhh... See below! A profitable F9 is attractive to any airline or buyer. F9 has done a remarkable job of turning this airline around. I think Spiri
84 mariner : $29 million is a very good number, F9Animal. I had my fingers crossed fro $20 million, but expected slightly less. Together with the Q2 profit of $14
85 nkops : It'll be nice to see the E-190's in ACY... kind of tired of Airbuses!!! I am assuming the 190's will be in Republic livery.. whatever that is
86 Kcrwflyer : When's that start? They'll probably be painted however they are now.
87 nkops : Jan 1st.. you will probably get them occasionally as we do charters to CRW at least once a month
88 NWADTWE16 : Maybe people will finally stop getting their rocks by predicting F9 demise for a minute =)
89 GentFromAlaska : Atlantic City has significant flooding damage caused by Hurricane Sandy which came ashore on the Jersey coast; north of the city. lets hope it does no
90 mariner : For any Frontier watcher, the conference call was a bit of a fizz. Neither Silent Siehgel nor DS were there, Greg Aretakis took the honors. BB rightly
91 F9animal : This airline has proven that it can make profits, and can be a valuable player in this industry. What I like about it is that flight planning is now
92 nkops : Yea, we got hit pretty good... I don't think people will be detered, but it will take some time to get the crowds back.. right now, the city is still
93 smoot4208 : For what it's worth, COS-PDX has been removed from the F9 route map. Not too surprising
94 Post contains links mariner : It will be very interesting to see how the spring/summer shapes up, especially given the constrained fleet. This headline caught my eye and, at first
95 smoot4208 : I'm not so sure that it will return. If MCO-TYS is also set to end in early January, it may make sense that they just don't reopen the station.
96 bjorn14 : This route needed cx traffic to make it. There are very few O&D routes out of COS.
97 azstar : I suspect much, if not all, of this profit comes from flying Apple Vacation charters. I think F9's future may be in charter flights rather than hit &
98 mariner : There isn't a lot of Apple flying in Q3, the summer. As has been posted a few times, here and in filings, last winter, first winter, the Apple contra
99 smoot4208 : I had posted the Load factors for both SEA and PDX from COS and both were in the low 80s, which is about 10pts lower than the F9 average. Considering
100 Post contains links mikefrommke : The Q3 revenue shows $35.3 million from charters and $409.1 million from passenger flights. They don't break out profit numbers, but the charter side
101 Post contains links PlaneAdmirer : Flight Global has a piece where BB is "cautisouly optimistic" that some sort of a transaction can be completed in the 1st Q of 2013. http://www.flight
102 Stapleton : Is Frontier pulling out of Billings, Montana? I was booking a flight and the calendar said that service between Billings and Denver is discontinued af
103 Post contains links mariner : The leaving E190's, I guess. Tough to think it could support the A319 at least in winter. However, Frontier is starting winter seasonal service to Ja
104 Post contains links airlinewatcher1 : The Denver Post has an interesting article about Frontier with a status update about their restructuring and spinoff efforts. In particular, some comm
105 GentFromAlaska : I'm on the proverbial teeter-totter about this. I find it hard to believe no other city would be viable for F9. Just because Mike Boyd says it; doesn
106 airlinewatcher1 : I agree that in theory, other cities can be viable for F9 besides DEN. But in practice, when they've tried it in the past, it hasn't worked out. The
107 airliner371 : They tried OMA and it failed. F9 can only succeed (barely) in DEN.
108 GentFromAlaska : Yes I was thinking about the folks out toward Limon, Colorado and those who reside in western Kansas on the I-70 corridor. The last time I drove out
109 enilria : They are cutting back frequency on COS already. MCO will work for the non-legacy carrier with the lowest cost and/or the best tour packaging. F9 is i
110 mariner : Why anyone would imagine there would be a buyer is beyond my understanding. An investor? Perhaps. mariner
111 enilria : I don't see the distinction. Both involve risking your money on F9. I'm not sure why there would be a difference unless we are talking about the pilo
112 mariner : Okay - if you can't see the difference, I can't help you. I don't understand the fantasy idea that Republic would put a then money losing based at DE
113 GentFromAlaska : But not as a hub or focus city. We have to compare apples with apples.
114 enilria : He's right. Well, talk to BB, not me about that. He's the one selling the airline...or trying to sell any part of the airline. Supposedly he wants $1
115 mariner : Sure he is. So why try and sell in this climate? The deal is based on what BB said at the start of this - that whatever happens will be in the best i
116 Post contains links mariner : And, while we're at this, there is a very long - and very good - article in CAPA about where Frontier stands now: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi
117 enilria : That's what I was going to ask you. I had missed your turn on that. If that happens, remind me what union issues are reopened and how severe they are
118 mariner : As I said, I don't think they will go down that path, I don't even know if that push is there - but it wouldn't surprise me if it was. In Q3 2011, fi
119 FRNT787 : Sorry for the rather extended absence. I began flight instructing about a month ago and it has just been tiring me out recently. In the last couple of
120 GentFromAlaska : It might be an attraction to the greater Denver area. During his tenure at CO; I believe under the Gordon Bethune era. Siegel to my recollection spen
121 enilria : Unfortunately, usually only one quarter into the future. It's $80-100 million in cash depending upon the season that could appear on their balance sh
122 Post contains links mariner : Your wish is granted - not just MSY but FLL, TPA and RSW as well. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fronti...s-expansion-trenton-160400463.html "In addit
123 mariner : Then we differ. It isn't cash reserve, it's revenue. mariner
124 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I suspect this is more inaugural service launch driven and less an update. http://media.flyfrontier.com/article....cfm?article_id=5405&view_id=129
125 enilria : Unspent revenue is the definition of cash. The longer you hold your revenue before you pay it out, the more cash you have. Financial Accounting 101.
126 mariner : It is spent revenue. Running costs have to be subtracted from revenue, allocated cash. It is called cash flow. Cash reserves are unallocated cash. Bu
127 GentFromAlaska : As I recall Financial Accounting 101 only briefly discusses long term capital projects or high dollar long term expenses. a bleep and its over type s
128 Post contains links mcg : In this article: http://missoulian.com/news/local/mis...a-2ed5-11e2-8472-0019bb2963f4.html there is some discussion about revenue guarantees for F9 in
129 FRNT787 : That is indeed hat I was looking for. It looks as if the aircraft will get two round trips I per day, which should work for keeping the aircraft in t
130 Post contains links airliner371 : Frontier is leaving Allentown. http://media.flyfrontier.com/article....cfm?article_id=5406&view_id=2237&
131 slcdeltarumd11 : I guess leave Allentown and focus on TTN. Consolidate in the geographical area with more potential. Might be a good move. TTN is in such a good area a
132 mariner : As someone suggested on the other thread, this is probably related directly to the TTN moves. It's 42 miles as the crow flies ABE-TTN - not an arduou
133 Post contains links and images mariner : Now that the dust has settled I think that if ever Frontier was going to attempt to north/south (east coast) corridor, this is the way to do it. Sure
134 bjorn14 : I think like all airports in TTN's league (i.e., GYY, PIE) you need critical mass. Look at how the old ML started at MDW. I hope this works out for F
135 FRNT787 : I quite agree with you here. This is a longer term strategy I pictured a bit when the C-Series was ordered. I would like to see some more destination
136 Post contains links mariner : This article has a couple of videos, one with Daniel Shurz. He doesn't say much that hasn't been said by others, but, for the first time to my knowle
137 Post contains images Flytravel : Hopefully, it can increase on the frequency for MCO, TPA and FLL. If it can make RSW and MSY work, that'd be an accomplishment, but my guess is we'll
138 mariner : I think that gauntlet was thrown down by Spirit when it announced DEN - and in particular AZA-DEN within about a nanosecond of Frontier announcing DE
139 Post contains links smoot4208 : http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-region...02/17434530/-/dr6qemz/-/index.html In this article it said that F9 was looking at DEN-ABE just a few weeks ago,
140 PlanesNTrains : I have no idea what the behind-the-scenes is, and they might be totally chaotic in how they are approaching these things, but perhaps they said that
141 Post contains links uncgso : Frontier ... welcome to the Triad!! http://myfox8.com/2012/11/17/new-air...es-off-from-greensboro-to-orlando/
142 PacificF27 : Providing the TTN experiment is successful it seems as if TTN-DEN and TTN-BOS along with some TTN-MCO are obvious uses of the plane after the winter/s
143 mariner : Someone who was on the first GSO-MCO has posted on Flyertalk that it was virtually full, four empty seats. That they were delayed about 20 minutes be
144 Buddys747 : I think at least TPA and FLL along with continuing service to DEN and MCO would work for MDT. No WN here and would not affect the new TTN service. If
145 GentFromAlaska : We have to remember the bulk of these I suspect were flying the low ball introductory fares. A fare measure would be six to nine months down the road
146 Post contains links mariner : I'm sure Frontier would prefer it if Allegiant were not there, but it hasn't affected DEN-MDT, which comes back on May 1. It's scheduled as 3 x weekl
147 smoot4208 : [Edited 2012-11-18 15:22:35]
148 mariner : I didn't think that Frontier ever flew MKE-TYS. mariner
149 smoot4208 : Sorry meant MCO-TYS. Fixed my post
150 Post contains images mariner : I thought it was an odd one for you because you're usually very precise. The really odd one is RFD, which drops down to 2 x weekly in deep winter (no
151 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Lets hope Friday and Sunday are two of those days. There is a significant exodus of graduating students most Friday's and new arrivals flying in on S
152 smoot4208 : Looks like Shenandoah-Orlando ends 7Apr. Not sure if it seasonally ends or if its gone for good
153 airlinewatcher1 : Does anybody know why F9 doesn't publish an online timetable/ flight schedule? It would be nice to get a big picture of exactly where they fly and how
154 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I believe they do under the schedule banner. http://www.flyfrontier.com/plan-book/routes-schedules You may also want to try your origin airport. http
155 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Interestingly F9 is announcing the inaugural SHD-MCO service http://media.flyfrontier.com/article...icle_id=5409&view_id=1290& I guess advanc
156 bobloblaw : I see DEN-ATL is going down to .8 from 3.0 currently. I like F9 cuz it gets me to SLC earlier for free skiing than either WN or DL. I am going to cash
157 MSYtristar : I think the rock bottom fares really killed the ATL service. The flights went out full every single day, but you could buy a walk up fare one hour be
158 GentFromAlaska : My personal thoughts lean more on the WN FL acquisition which brings WN into ATL by brand affiliation only. Ironically I didn't see FL as a threat to
159 Post contains links smoot4208 : http://www.newsleader.com/article/20...dyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|NEWS01 This article states that only 70 pax were on the first inbound flight while
160 LAXintl : I understand F9 has an RFP out for handling at LAX. As far back as I can remember (into 737 days) F9 always had its own staff here. I guess with yo-yo
161 Kcrwflyer : Website says it's disc. after april 7th. I think 70 on the first inbound is promising for a small market.. but not selling out the inaugural is a ser
162 freakyrat : SBN sold out both their inbound and outbound inaugural SBN-DEN flights. The flight to DEN was two hrs late leaving SBN today because of the heavy fog
163 MSYtristar : I'm not saying it isn't. I was dumbfounded when I saw those walk up fares. I sold several of them. You can't go from ATL to DEN on the dog for $90.
164 GentFromAlaska : [quote=smoot4208,reply=159]COU on the other hand had only 2 empty seats on the first flight.[/quotesod Apparently COU has a rich tradition in aviation
165 Post contains links airlinewatcher1 : The Denver International Airport website shows that F9 no longer uses 4 gates on Concourse A (A44, A46, A48, and A50). They're down to about 15 gates
166 slcdeltarumd11 : I always fly into SLC early for the free lift ticket in Park City too! If you land early enough in the day you can really get a full day in and Deer
167 airlinewatcher1 : I checked F9's flight schedule for the Denver hub on Wednesday, January 16, 2013. Since they don't publish an online timetable, I decided to find out
168 nkops : Anybody from RP know if they announced an ACY crew base for the Caesars flying??
169 PlaneAdmirer : Thanks for doing the list manually. I hope it works for F9, but it doesn't really work well for those of us who travel on business. Can F9 actually m
170 freakyrat : Quoting PlaneAdmirer "Can F9 actually make money flying to a city once per day? Wouldn't the fixed costs of a station eat up the revenues?" At SBN the
171 smoot4208 : Also looks like MSN-MCO ends on 6 April. Not sure if that's a seasonal cut or not.
172 Post contains images Antoniemey : Depends on how they have it set up... At BNA they've always had DGS doing their ramp handling. They have F9 employees upstairs, but they're virtually
173 freakyrat : At SBN I'm sure they have part time F9 employees running the counter while DGS runs the ramp. One nice thing about it is they had to bring the Airbus
174 enilria : Infrequent operations cost more per unit of capacity by definition, but if the revenue increase per seat exceeds the cost increase per seat then it's
175 IndyWA : Yes, both ACY and IFP will be opening as small Republic crew bases.
176 smoot4208 : According to the DOT dockets, F9 plans to operate ORD-STL-HUX commencing in Feb 13. It stated that they wanted to do so prior but were unable to do so
177 bjorn14 : What's the frequency and frame?
178 GentFromAlaska : A wish list of mine would have F9 moving out of BNA "A" concourse. From a flyers perspective who uses BNA ten or so times a year "A" seems to be the
179 type-rated : It looks like F9 is only going to do IAH-DEN once daily? Their flights to DEN out of IAH have always been near full, and we even have a 320 once daily
180 mariner : I'm not sure where you're seeing that. I just tested dates in January, February, March and April and they all showed 2 x daily except some Tuesdays a
181 airlinewatcher1 : When they first switched airports from HOU to IAH, they operated DEN-IAH once daily with an E90. So the 319 is actually an upgrade. Once the route ge
182 AirframeAS : A50 is an ex-AS gate (they are now at A51) and is now taken by WN. Looks like A50 and A52 are going to be permanent WN gates. F9 has got to NOT be ha
183 smoot4208 : I assume 1/weekly. What ever they used last winter for Apple will be used again. It's not new service, just going from a strictly apple flight to a p
184 mariner : Just to add to that, due to a (Sunday) retime there will be 3 x IAH-DEN on Mondays from early April. There may be more of this - juggling the reduced
185 type-rated : In the list in reply 167. DEN-IAH 1 319 Did Frontier lose some market share when they switched IAH-HOU then back to IAH?
186 mariner : I'm sympathetic to the idea of a list like that, but it's really tricky in these present circumstances as they've been dealing with the reduced fleet
187 airlinewatcher1 : I flew F9 back in May on DEN-SFO, and we departed from gate A50. Directly across from us were a couple of AirTran gates (I believe A51 and A53). So t
188 bahadir : You got them backwards. A52 is an Alaska gate. A51-53 are former Airtran gates that are shared by WN and FL. F9 still uses A50-48-46-44 but they are
189 CIDFlyer : How many flights does F9 operate on a daily basis from DEN?
190 Antoniemey : How long ago was that? As far as I know, CO operated out of C while ground handled by AA, then moved immediately to A when they put their own agents
191 GentFromAlaska : Toward the tail end of Gordon Bethune's watch. Although I liked his leadership style and I did have a chance to talk to him once at a federal travel
192 GentFromAlaska : As airport planning goes I've often thought and I may be wrong the "A" and "B" concourse at BNA (one or both) should be re-designated regional jet or
193 Post contains images enilria : Exactly... So, the E190s are going away in '13 as well as all of the A318s according to the quarterly call. They said they have not made commitments
194 mariner : I expect you'd find it odd, then, that the CEO has been talking about possible growth next year - limited growth, perhaps, but growth is growth. Ther
195 kingcavalier : I believe Siegel told the staff at a town hall last week that the E190s would be around until September 2013.
196 Jerseyguy : Believe that you mean Streamline not Signature and they went out of business not decided to leave because Frontier was coming. Besides frankly this i
197 FRNT787 : That sounds right to me. They have no agreements in place for the aircraft that are not being sold or going to Ceasars. Plus, under RAH, Frontier has
198 mariner : Yes, I do mean Streamline, thanks for picking that up. mariner[Edited 2012-12-10 15:09:37]
199 Antoniemey : I think I may know who it was you had that encounter with, and if I'm right, they were far from the best that CO had to offer, even in BNA. A is alre
200 Post contains links and images mariner : Since this thread is happening, I guess it should be noted: Rumour: Spirit Airlines Buying Frontier Airlines? (by wnflyguy Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviati
201 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : On the Apple side it looks like they are having a 72 hour sale. http://www.applevacations.com/72-hou...n-sale/?APID=AFC-bookingbuddy_1212
202 ADent : I assume WN would like DL to move to A so WN can have C concourse all to themselves. WN can use those A gates for part of the trade, but need to find
203 AirframeAS : No, this happened before Seigel came about. Frontier was not very happy when WN took over A51 and A53 (the FL gate). Someone said on a station newsle
204 mariner : Then we're talking about different things. I'm talking about the recently renegotiated agreement with DIA - under Siegel - for s few fewer gates for
205 AirframeAS : I'm talking about 2011, before WN metal ever touched the A concourse.
206 Post contains images mariner : It's been a working week since the rumor was first posted here, and - so far - it has only appeared here. I've been keeping any eye out for any sugge
207 Post contains links and images mariner : And - just for laughs - here's an interesting poll. Which US airlines have the rudest staff? http://www.sfgate.com/business/boein...S-airlines-53914.p
208 Jerseyguy : There is something wrong with the poll. Spirit Airlines is only #5
209 Post contains links mariner : About ten days ago, I heard that Frontier would add a frequency COU-MCO (for 3 x weekly) in April, when some of the other snowbird routes end or are r
210 Kcrwflyer : I doubt they have part time F9 employees, they're probably just DGS employees trained on the F9 system. They probably just wanted some of their own e
211 slcdeltarumd11 : With acy a crew base I hope we see more things happen there
212 nkops : Republic just hired a station manager and supervisor.. the rest will be handled by Midlantic Jet... they start Jan 10th, and will operate approximate
213 mariner : The survey was made in Q1, 2011, when oil was at $125 bbl. With oil's reduction and with cost cuts, the BELF has come down some since then. Last I he
214 freakyrat : When I was home at SBN I was told that DGS employees handle everything for F9. The last time they had the larger push tugs at SBN was when Delta mainl
215 smoot4208 : Looking at the schedule, DEN-ZIH says "discontinued after April 6, 2013". Other seasonal routes that end just say "seasonally ends on". Not sure if th
216 Post contains links mariner : The new website is fun - somewhat "rowdier" than before (more like Southwest or Spirit) and pushing the lower fares and benefits: http://www.flyfronti
217 CarsAir04 : add an "m" to it on your mobile device and get a new mobile site m.flyfrontier.com
218 GentFromAlaska : The one thing I would change is to replace See Where We Fly" with "Route Map" See where we fly is to indirect and seems to wordy to me' I'd like to s
219 smoot4208 : DEN-TYS has been loaded into the schedule at 3 x weekly starting in May. As of now it will just be DEN-TYS; no MCO-TYS.
220 smoot4208 : As expected, WN received approval for DEN-SJD. Daily service starts 10MAR13. Outside of the peak season, F9 only serves this route on Saturdays, so th
221 AirframeAS : This should read A53, not A52. This looks MUCH MUCH better than the first one they rolled out. Easier to read and easier to navigate. IMO, they still
222 NWADTWE16 : Things seem quiet from F9 lately..im interpreting this as a good thing, mariner anything exciting of late? I see loads are ofcourse nearly 100% in eve
223 airliner371 : Thats great but you also need good yields...
224 mariner : I'm not sure about exciting, but I'm pleased that HUX (Huatulco, Mexico) is at last added as a destination on the route map - STL-HUX and ORD-HUX, wi
225 Post contains links Jerseyguy : According to Shortest Runway EasyJet Operates A319s From? (by BluYonder Jul 23 2012 in Civil Aviation) Easyjet does Mikonos, Greece (JMK) to London-Ga
226 OzarkD9S : I could see stopping at MDW if the times would mesh with the DEN banks. TTN-Chicago by itself could probably support 2x daily if the schedule/price w
227 GentFromAlaska : Assuming NAS is Nassua Bahamas with visions of Paradise Island and gambling; wouldn't NAS compete with ACY? Would TTN fly to NAS with ACY closer and
228 smoot4208 : Looks like according to Frontier's website, and the OAG thread, COS-SAN/MCO are ending late February with no scheduled resumption date. COS-SEA has al
229 AirframeAS : F9 already gets out of SNA just fine. They can do TTN just fine.
230 GentFromAlaska : Unless the new CEO ideologies are different than those of Sean Menke. S-M emailed me several years ago that one-stops were not financially prudent fo
231 mariner : MEM had a lot of downside. Most of us were scratching our heads about it and I called it "The Mystery of MEM." Quite apart from the nuclear - and tot
232 GentFromAlaska : Yes I connected their a few years ago on a NW flight SEA-MEM-MCO. As first impressions go the terminal was dated and run-down carpets were torn etc.
233 LoneStarMike : MEM is one of the very few airports that does not charge a Passenger Facility Charge. LoneStarMike
234 Post contains images rampart : I've seen Atlantic City, Gent, and Atlantic City is no Nassau. Atlantic City is a daytrip for Philadelphians, New Jerseyans, and New Yorkers. I don't
235 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Thanks for the update. According to the FAA PDF document by States http://www.faa.gov/airports/pfc/monthly_reports/media/airports.pdf MEM did charge
236 GentFromAlaska : No argument there. Provided you stay on Paradise Island. Old Nassau not so much. Still love the old ESSO gas signs though. Part of my thought process
237 Post contains images mariner : Vegas is Vegas - is a vacation? Tunica has never had the level of star-driven quality entertainment that Vegas has. Frontier's failure had more to do
238 rampart : I see what you mean. But I think they are different markets. TTN's market is not looking to Atlantic City for a week's vacation, they are going elsew
239 Jerseyguy : Re: AirframeAS SNA-DEN is half the distance actually less then TTN-MCO
240 GentFromAlaska : Concur. Tunica is there to rid the greater Memphis area of the gambling urge and their money; just as Metropolis, IL is there for southern Illinois a
241 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I was just reading the Cape Air thread and posted a comment. The armchair planner in me wonders if Cape Air a.k.a Hyannis Air or IATA 9K might be a go
242 AirframeAS : Huh?! I was talking runway length. SNA's runway length is shorter. Your post 225 talked about runway length, in which I wa referring to:
243 smoot4208 : This was taken from the OAG thread, but felt it was more relevant here. When are the final 2 A318s leaving the fleet? Also is does look like COS and
244 mariner : I believe (?) February. Isn't that what they're doing? Frontier has always reduced the beach destinations in April. They tried keeping DEN-RSW daily
245 jerseyguy : AirframeAS: I'm sorry my post was confusing, I was talking about F9 flying TTN-DEN nonstop. There has been a question of whether a A319 could fly this
246 enilria : I'm not sure what makes money any more. Everything is full, but the fares are pretty bad in their big markets. I would also say they are cutting ever
247 Post contains images mariner : It isn't. Nor is DEN a beach destination. mariner
248 GentFromAlaska : Are you forgetting the four daily DEN-DCA?. Also if memory serves me Chicago and SEA are actually larger by area and population than DEN. As percepti
249 smoot4208 : I imagine DCA-DEN is one of F9's most profitable routes. They most likely are already getting some of that military traffic via DEN. I see no need to
250 GentFromAlaska : The one argument I have is the majority of that military/government (with more emphasis on military) traffic resides in the greater COS catchment are
251 freakyrat : Qouting Enilria "Part of the reason everybody said to fly to COS was the brand being so strong, but I think F9's brand has withered first because of W
252 Post contains links iowaman : As this thread is getting quite lengthy for some users to load on slow connections, please continue the discussion here: New Frontier #40 (by iowaman
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