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Guess What Color BA's 787 Engine Nacelles will be?  
User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 25636 times:

Any guesses on the engine colour ? One would hope with uniform paint techniques there is no reason why it couldnt be blue. Publicity pics and models show blue... Mmm.
QR were darker grey on latest delivery, white on demonstrator.

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User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 25454 times:

I hope it's blue. Bet it will be white though.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7681 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 25165 times:

Except for Sun-Air's Dorniers (which have dark lue engines) all BA's high wing aircraft have had white engines:


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Of course the 787 is not a high wiged aircraft. But it clearly would not be a total departure if it were to be painted with white engines.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20194 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 24961 times:

Quoting by738 (Thread starter):
One would hope with uniform paint techniques there is no reason why it couldnt be blue.

Blue cannot be applied thinly enough to maintain laminar flow. I'm sure someone is working on it but the only available colors are grey and white.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 24714 times:

Quoting by738 (Thread starter):
Any guesses on the engine colour ?

Well so far you have:

White:

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White:

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White:

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White:

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Grey:

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White:

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White:

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....and oh look! WHITE!:

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Blue cannot be applied thinly enough to maintain laminar flow. I'm sure someone is working on it but the only available colors are grey and white.

There's your choices, and considering that grey isn't in BA's color scheme I would think we're going to see.....WHITE LOL



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2968 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 24648 times:
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All I can add is that the LANDOR folks who work on airline branding/liveries have told me color (even on ac before the 787 was even just a dream ha!) that color is a tech issue and that their are many things to take into consideration. Very dark colors (due to sun) I know can be one. Which is why I have wondered how black works for New Zealand.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12664 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 24628 times:

Any other color than white or grey will create a performance impact, I heard. The Qatar nacelles were also white in the beginning (check the Farnborough pictures).

[Edited 2012-10-13 09:11:51]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20194 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24494 times:

I'm surprised that the UA nacelles are white and not grey, though. Given the underbelly of the UA C/S is grey, I figured grey would be the natural choice.

User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2696 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21736 times:

I'm hoping (in vein no doubt) that BA manage to convince Boeing to develop a BA blue paint with the same properties and he Boeing Grey and Boeing White that are currently the only performance neutral paints that do not screw up the fine balance of laminar flow over the engine nacelles.

My bet is on white however.

However, BA might just take the .005% or whatever hit and go with blue anyway!



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8339 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21660 times:

Is this a serious question? Given that I have white, white, and white to choose from, I think I'll pick… white?


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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21400 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 10):

Did you read the original post. We now how two colours white and grey, so two choices so far. And (again in the orginal post- which incidentally the title was changed by the mods) BA are marketing it with blue engines.
Im not sure what is so obscure in that line of questioning....


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21363 times:

Arent the BA 380s blue?


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12664 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21138 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 11):
And BA are marketing it with blue engines.

There are also pictures with white engines.




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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2552 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20987 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):

Doesnt look too bad, but I guess we have to wait until it comes out next year.

Though I think its fair to say they will be painted White unless stated otherwise (though not likely)



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User currently offlinefanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20259 times:

Let's see what the model makers have predicted:

Premier Planes 1:250
http://www.wings900.com/modeldatabase/detailview-17559.html BLUE

Gemini Jets 1:400
http://www.wings900.com/modeldatabase/detailview-19793.html BLUE

Granted, this is a hopelessly minuscule statistical sample as Phoenix, Herpa, InFlight and Aeroclassics are not (yet) releasing a BA Dreamliner. And these companies have to make a guess when it comes to a type that has not yet flown, which often is incorrect. However, one creative person made up a hypothetical retro Negus scheme:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2gw6cdj.png WHITE

Maybe someone will try one of the old BOAC schemes?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12664 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19589 times:

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Granted, this is a hopelessly minuscule statistical sample as Phoenix, Herpa, InFlight and Aeroclassics are not (yet) releasing a BA Dreamliner. And these companies have to make a guess when it comes to a type that has not yet flown, which often is incorrect.

Yeah, that reminds me of the early MAS A380 models: http://www.flightmemory.com/shop/art...cle/Modell_Malaysia_A388_200P.html

 



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User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 18899 times:

Boeing's New Airplane site is showing white engines.

http://www.newairplane.com/787/whos_flying/#/BAB

This does bring up an interesting point about AA's 787. Will their engines be white or gray? I think white, but because gray was developed, it could be used as it is a closer match to silver.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
that color is a tech issue

Darker colors are heavier as well. This goes just beyond blue...I think all other colors that are dark would have an issue, such as a green or red. However, I may be off. What do you think?

Thank you,

laxboeingman



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25842 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17551 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 10):
Is this a serious question? Given that I have white, white, and white to choose from, I think I'll pick… white?

A few years ago, when Boeing was trying to simplify paint options, they said they were then using 46 different shades of white paint to meet customers' varying livery requirements.

You can notice that white and white can mean two very different things if you visit AMS and see DL aircraft with their rather murky shade of white parked next to KLM aircraft with their very bright white, almost like snow. I much prefer the KL white.


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17191 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
You can notice that white and white can mean two very different things if you visit AMS and see DL aircraft with their rather murky shade of white parked next to KLM aircraft with their very bright white, almost like snow. I much prefer the KL white.

Reminds me of a scene from American Psycho. But, yes, there are many different shades of white..



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User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16973 times:

Is this becoming the aviation equivalent of 50 shades of grey, or should I say white.

Surely technology can allow more than just white and grey engines?


User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16615 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
all BA's high wing aircraft have had white engines

...and perhaps this low wing?

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User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16584 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 20):
Surely technology can allow more than just white and grey engines?

Technology can, but that is not the issue. The issue is on the 787 engines. Because of their design and need to remain as fuel efficient as possible - all relating back to their specific purpose - a thin layer of paint is what can go over the engines and that layer must be even throughout the engine. The problem with using colors other that white and gray, at the present time, is that they are too hear for the purpose these engines are serving.

Feel free to add if I am incorrect or missing something.

Thank you,

laxboeingman



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25842 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16275 times:

Quoting shankly (Reply 21):
Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
all BA's high wing aircraft have had white engines

...and perhaps this low wing?

The OpenSkies engine nacelles are clearly gray or metallic silver, not white.


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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5520 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 15822 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Blue cannot be applied thinly enough to maintain laminar flow. I'm sure someone is working on it but the only available colors are grey and white.

Poor, poor Sun Country.


User currently offlinenimool From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 15803 times:

It'll be white, i mean should be white, white looks better  


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25 na : Boeing obviously has learned from Henry Ford: you can have all colours, as long as they are ... white Doesnt look bad with BAs livery so Im fine with
26 N766UA : I'm not sure what's so obscure about what color it's going to be?
27 QANTAS747-438 : So, what is the issue with having blue engines?
28 Post contains links Stitch : Higher fuel burn due to the loss of laminar flow over the nacelles. 787 Laminar Flow Nacelles (by Faro Dec 11 2009 in Tech Ops)[Edited 2012-10-13 19:
29 blrsea : Many operators like AI, ANA, QR etc have a symbol of their airlines on their nacelles in their own colors. Will that not affect fuel burn?
30 tdscanuck : It's not Boeing they have to convince...Boeing doesn't make paint. It's the paint guys (I think mostly Akzo-Nobel) that you need to pay for a very sp
31 qf002 : The Boeing renders all show the 787 with the older style tail as well (ie the waves are set much lower down, with a larger white gap at the top). Is t
32 DocLightning : Can you explain why the tooling would depend on color?
33 Revelation : I think he's saying if you increase the tolerance on the tooling you can still get the laminar flow with the increased variability that comes from th
34 travelhound : Might be stretching it a bit! I don't think fifty shades of white will have the same affect on my wife as fifty shades of grey! ........ but hey, eve
35 spencer : Why can't they be painted? Spencer
36 tdscanuck : The inlet is bare metal (aluminum). The nacelle immediately behind it (specifically, the fan cowl) is painted. Those two surfaces must be very very f
37 crapper1 : (speaking for car painting im sure its similar on aircraft just on a larger scale tho correct me if i am wrong) I think its cause white paint is thin
38 DocLightning : Is there possibly a way to develop a paint that goes on the same thickness as white or grey?
39 spencer : Paint is measured in microns. It's not anywhere nearly as thick as people make out. Weight and thickness with varying colours wouldn't pose a problem
40 Post contains links and images VV701 : BA described their shade of white in a Press Release dated 10 June 1997: "The main colour scheme for aircraft has been brightened and lightened, from
41 spencer : A pearl is an effect coat, which serves no purpose whatsoever on the BA fleet. What a waste of money and effort! Spence
42 tdscanuck : I'm sure the paint people would love to be paid to figure that out...I'm just not sure there are any people willing to pay. At the current state of p
43 Dan23 : Is that level of accuracy in the paint thickness able to be achieved by hand, in the paint hangar, when the rest of the aircraft is painted or are th
44 Tristarsteve : The bare aluminium on a nose cowl only goes back about 30 cm. The rest of the nose cowl (about a metre) is painted. I believe (I don't know) that the
45 tdscanuck : I've only ever seen cowls show up painted (grey or white). They have to be painted to prevent UV damage to the composites. For normal liveries they a
46 spencer : I need some help understanding this. I'm a painter, I know how much I can put on, what volumne and weight it is. I also know we have single coat cover
47 tdscanuck : Two things: -A very different profile (much fatter inlet lip and different curvature) to promote natural laminar flow -Extremely tight surface contro
48 Post contains images MD-90 : Delta's white looks better in high humidity, high temperature environments e.g. Atlanta. Yes I just made that up.
49 spencer : So with that in mind, Boeing have created the perfect join between the nacelle and inlet lip? If that's flusher than a layer of paint that's some stat
50 tdscanuck : Perfect? No. Tightly controlled? Yes. As far as I know, the inlet should be even or slightly higher than the nacelle behind it. That gap is held, to
51 spencer : There is. You can flat it. With that I mean you can sand it slightly with fine paper and polish it up. It takes a little time which in turn means mone
52 by738 : The images of the BA 787 with white engines looks mighty odd, obviously completely different to the high level engines ie on 146 which are matched to
53 Post contains images VV701 : Anything that is unusual tends to look odd like the high-wiged Dorniers operated by Sun-Air of Scandinavia in BA livery that have blue and not white
54 cal764 : Me thinks red would be awesome..but I don't think it's gonna happen
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