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BA Livery News (Part Two) Any Updates?  
User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 21417 times:

Hi all,

This topic is archived so wondered if there are any further updates on BMI to BA repaint and interior configs and also any updates on aircraft that have or are due to have crest applied?

Have any more long haul had crest applied as mainly appears to be short haul aircraft so far?

I've seen G-DBCA, F and K fly over work in BMI livery recently. Has G-MIDT returned to LHR in BA livery or not?

This topic was part one.
BA Livery News (by hotplane Jun 9 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Any updates would be appreciated.

Cheers bluesky73

[Edited 2012-10-14 03:45:13]

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User currently offlinepsimpson From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 21363 times:

I was at LHR yesterday evening and saw A320 G-MIDT parked at Terminal 1 in full British Airways livery.

User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20792 times:

G-MIDT was parked at A12 at T5 this afternoon in full BA livery with crest.

User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20628 times:

Excellent thanks for updates on G-MIDT.

So far then we have 12 BMI now in BA or Dove liveries or is there more?

8x319
2x320
2x321

I wonder what The latest tally is on crests as of mid Oct?

Cheers bluesky73.


User currently offlinetcx69k From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20553 times:
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Quote:
2x320

I believe A320 G-MIDY is also currently being repainted into BA livery. Can anyone confirm?

Quote:
I wonder what the latest tally is on crests as of mid Oct?

The tally so far should be:

A318: 0/2
A319: 12/44 - G-DBCC/E/G/H/I/J, G-EUPB/C/E/J/K/M
A320: 3/46 - G-EUUA, G-MIDS/T
A321: 2/18 - G-MEDM/N
B734: 5/19 - G-DOCB/E/O/Y, G-GBTA
B744: 2/52 - G-BNLU/Z
B763: 0/21
B772: 0/46
B773: 0/6

So a long way to go! Any updates welcome   

[Edited 2012-10-14 16:49:13]

[Edited 2012-10-14 16:51:01]

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 20245 times:

Yesterday 744 G-BNLG operated the twenty-sixth annual 'Dreamflight'. As it is described here:

http://www.dreamflight.org/charity-e...night-and-it-was-party-party-party

as "the special 'Dreamflight' 747 aircraft" I take it that, as in previous years, the aircraft carries "Dreamflight" titles.

This is the second time 'LG has operated the "Dreamflight" the first time having been in 2007:


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The "Dreamflight" aircraft I can identify all with multicollour "Dreamflight" titles unless otherwise stated are:

1987: ?
1992: G-AWNE
1996: G-AWNN ("Dreamflight 10" (?) titles)
1997: G-AWNA
2000: G-BDXB
2001: G-CIVX
2002: G-BNLU
2003: G-BNLA
2004: G-CIVT (Maroon "Dreamflight" titles)
2005: G-BNLS
2006: G-BNLJ (Multicolour "Dreamflight 20" titles)
2007: G-BNLG
2008: G-BNLM
2009: G-BNLS (Titles worn through to after 2010 flight)
2010: G-BNLS
2011: G-BNLU (Blue and red "Dreamflight 25" titles and with Crest)
2012: G-BNLJ (Additional titles?)

Can anyone fill in any of the gaps?


User currently offlineTCX69K From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20131 times:
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I believe A320 G-MIDY is also currently being repainted into BA livery. Can anyone confirm?

G-MIDY is in fact still in bmi livery. I believe it's actually A319 G-DBCF that is currently being repainted. Still waiting for confirmation.


User currently offlineMcG1967 From UK - Scotland, joined Apr 2006, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20035 times:

The golfer Ian Poulter tweeted a pic of G-BNLJ at MCO yesterday - he is a big supporter of Dreamflight & makes a point of going to welcome the aircraft & kids to Florida each year. Small logo to the left of door 1L.

http://twitpic.com/b48m37


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19901 times:

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 6):
G-MIDY is in fact still in bmi livery.

i think the confusion about 'DY is that it has been operating under the BA AOC since 22 August and was registered to BA on 10 October even though it remains in BD livery

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 6):
I believe it's actually A319 G-DBCF that is currently being repainted.

'CF last flew on 9 October when it was temporarily withdrawn from use at LHR. As maintenance on BA's Airbus aircraft is carried out at GLA, it is certainly probable that it is in the BA LHR Paint Shop. If it is it could be out today or tomorrow.


User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 19656 times:

When does MIDO go for painting? I know as of today it is still running the BHX-FRA route for LH, when is this wet lease until?


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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19531 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 5):
2012: G-BNLJ (Additional titles?)

There's a good inflight shot at http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47646 which shows the logo below the cockpit and a multicoloured 'dreamflight' on the fuselage.


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19364 times:

Will G-DBCA be painted in BA livery or could it transfer to LH?

Strange why crests are being applied to mainly shorthaul but none on the 777 fleet - any know why this is?

As they bringing crest back shame names can't return too.

Thanks


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19327 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 11):
Will G-DBCA be painted in BA livery or could it transfer to LH?

Strange why crests are being applied to mainly shorthaul but none on the 777 fleet - any know why this is?

As they bringing crest back shame names can't return too.

Its going to BA, only a few weeks left of the LH wet lease.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19292 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 10):
There's a good inflight shot at http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47646 which shows the logo below the cockpit and a multicoloured 'dreamflight' on the fuselage.

Thanks for the link. The main lower case, multicolour "dreamflight" titles are entirely different to all of those I've seen before.

Most years they have been multicolour large and small caps:


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with exceptions in notable anniversary years:


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and a single year with maroon-only titles:


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The multicolour large and small caps style dates back to the old BA Landor livery (and possibly to the first "Dreamflight" back in 1987) as can be seen in the departure segment of the video here:

http://www.onedestination.co.uk/samp...nservation-programme/dream-flight/


User currently offlineTCX69K From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19239 times:
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When does MIDO go for painting? I know as of today it is still running the BHX-FRA route for LH, when is this wet lease until?

G-MIDO & G-MIDX will both be ferried from their respective LH Wetlease bases of BHX/MAN to LHR on 28Oct & will then, after cabin modifications, join the BA fleet. I would think G-MIDX will be high up the priority list to be repainted as it still wears Star Alliance livery & I'd expect it to be repainted before it even flies for BA.

Quote:
Will G-DBCA be painted in BA livery or could it transfer to LH?

Indeed as BA174 has mentioned it will be joining the BA fleet. It will go to SOF after the end of the LH Wetlease for some much needed MX. It will then return & join the BA fleet & be repainted in due course.


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18991 times:

So with G-DBCA, G-MIDO and G-MIDX all joining the BA fleet at LHR (ex LH leases) plus G-MEDH and G-MEDK being converted from midhaul to shorthail layouts, BA will gain 5 extra shorthaul Airbuses at LHR over what has been used this Summer on the BA/BD flights.


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18818 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 15):
So with G-DBCA, G-MIDO and G-MIDX all joining the BA fleet at LHR (ex LH leases) plus G-MEDH and G-MEDK being converted from midhaul to shorthail layouts, BA will gain 5 extra shorthaul Airbuses at LHR over what has been used this Summer on the BA/BD flights.

Early delivery BA 320s are leased.

G-EUUA to 'UC are owned by Orix.

'UD and 'UE are leased (but from whom?).

'UF is owned by Somerset Aviation Services.

'UG is leased to BA by Itoh.

It has been suggested that at least some of these aircraft may be returned to their lessors in the near future..

On the other side of the coin BA will need to surrender 15 daily slot pairs at the start of Summer Season 2013 as a condeition of approval of the BD purchase. While most of these slots are short short-haul operations, two pairs are LHR-DME. So their transfer will free up the equivalent of a total of at least four more aircraft.

Additionally eight new 320s to be registered G-EUYO to 'YW will b e delivered between June of next year and June 2014.

So its a pretty fluid situation.


User currently offlineeugegall From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2009, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18388 times:

Any indication of things to come?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b315/eugeclio172/ScreenShot2012-10-24at000852.png


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18267 times:

Quoting eugegall (Reply 17):
Any indication of things to come?



Let's hope not.......Northwest had their "Bowling Shoe" livery- now BA having a "Trainers" livery?



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18250 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 18):
now BA having a "Trainers" livery?

I think he was referring more to the styalised flag in the bottom left corner...


Good catch eugegall!



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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18172 times:

The Firefly G-EUPC recently went in for mainentence, did it get repainted or just had a routine check over?

User currently offlineTCX69K From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18094 times:
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A319's G-DBCF & G-DBCK have now been repainted into BA livery & I believe A321 G-MEDU is currently being repainted.

User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1810 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17915 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 20):
The Firefly G-EUPC recently went in for mainentence, did it get repainted or just had a routine check over?

She's still in full Firefly cs, you can see her here:

http://heathrowcam.net/index.php?page=15&view=1&photo=257682&mode=1

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User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17706 times:

I read CF was in new livery and crest last week but when did CK get repainted?

Not many BMI livery jets left now.

Is the flag on advertisement replacing the swosh on all adverts and building facia?


User currently offlineTCX69K From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17686 times:
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I read CF was in new livery and crest last week but when did CK get repainted?

Not many bmi livery jets left now.

G-DBCK was out of service from the afternoon of 1Oct & returned to service on 10Oct so it would of been repainted during this time.

Only 8 bmi liveried A/C left now   

G-DBCA
G-MEDH/K, G-MIDY
G-MEDF/G/J/L


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17776 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
I think he was referring more to the styalised flag in the bottom left corner...


Good catch eugegall!

LOL, yes. It was too good to pass up though!



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 17766 times:

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 24):
would of been repainted during this time.

It may HAVE been but it wasn't. Anyone else notice the font? Isn't it Ogilvy that does this for BA?


User currently offlineTCX69K From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18246 times:
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G-MEDL in an interesting hybrid livery! With the added BA titles to the rear not sure if it'll be flying around like this for a while until a full repaint can be done.

http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh498/TCX69K/C7EDD9A1-EA6B-4151-8044-29C9D08DB000-178-0000001E16383562.jpg


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18074 times:

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 27):
G-MEDL in an interesting hybrid livery! With the added BA titles to the rear not sure if it'll be flying around like this for a while until a full repaint can be done.

As long as they get rid of the Star Alliance logo at the door....went to DUB on one the other day...all sorts of confusion! lol



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User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17986 times:

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 27):
G-MEDL in an interesting hybrid livery! With the added BA titles to the rear not sure if it'll be flying around like this for a while until a full repaint can be done.

I'd be surprised if they kept it in that livery! I think they'll probably just repaint it straight into the BA livery in the next few days of it being in the hangar.

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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17821 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):

I think he was referring more to the styalised flag in the bottom left corner...

Looks really sharp. The BA staff shuttles around Heathrow have this emblazoned on the back section now as well...something to look for.



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 17512 times:

why put the little BA speedmarque logo at the back if its getting a full repaint ?

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 17501 times:

why put the little BA speedmarque logo at the back if its getting a full repaint ?

User currently offlineTCX69K From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 17460 times:
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why put the little BA speedmarque logo at the back if its getting a full repaint ?

Exactly what I thought. I think the remaining bmi liveried aircraft will be painted like this in the short-term until they can get a full repaint. I would say G-MIDX would be top priority to be fully repainted at the moment.


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17316 times:

I think this is a quicker way of removing BMI livery until the remaining aircraft get the full paint job seeing as BMI mainline ceases today.

The hybrid is certainly an interesting image, looks almost like a photoshop even though it isn't.

Will miss the BMI buses!


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17201 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 31):
why put the little BA speedmarque logo at the back if its getting a full repaint ?

As of today, is no longer flying, I guess they are drawing a line under this by phasing out all BMI branding. I flew LHR-MAN-LHR today out of T1 and there was no sign of any BMI logos up in the building. They had been removed from Gate 8 completely and the BMI Executive Check is now wholly BA.

Must make a point of catching these hybrids over the next few weeks.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16840 times:

Quoting GCPET (Reply 29):
I'd be surprised if they kept it in that livery! I think they'll probably just repaint it straight into the BA livery in the next few days of it being in the hangar.
Quoting by738 (Reply 31):
why put the little BA speedmarque logo at the back if its getting a full repaint ?

And why paint out the 'bmi' fuselage titles and the Star Alliance logo and titles with blue bmi paint if they are going to quickly then repaint the same areas BA white? That would be both a waste of time and of paint.

As an aside it seems that while the vertical tail surface is now in BA Union Flag colours, the horizontal tail surfaces look to still be BD red.


User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16522 times:

Yeah, it wouldn't make sense to paint the speedbird marque onto it now I've looked at it a second time.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16542 times:

What's all this talk about a NEW British Airways livery...? Is this due to the introduction of the B787...?

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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16471 times:

They're not changing the livery, indeed the A380 which is due next year is in the current scheme.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16457 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 39):

They're not changing the livery, indeed the A380 which is due next year is in the current scheme.

Cheers...

I've seen photos of the A380 and I noted the engine cowling's are blue but there was talk BA might introduce a new scheme... Hope not as I love the current scheme...

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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16408 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 40):
I've seen photos of the A380 and I noted the engine cowling's are blue but there was talk BA might introduce a new scheme... Hope not as I love the current scheme...

I think that the talk you are referring to may be the discussion as to whether the engines on BA's 787s would, like all other BA liveried low-wing aircraft, be painted dark blue:


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or, like most BA liveried high winged aircraft and many other airlines' 787s, painted white:


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 16266 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 41):
I think that the talk you are referring to may be the discussion as to whether the engines on BA's 787s would, like all other BA liveried low-wing aircraft, be painted dark blue:

Spot on... I was wondering if BA would go with the grey or white cowling's...

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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16059 times:

Boeing initially said cowlings should be painted, but It's clear carriers are going to paint them. BA should too! However, white is better than grey!


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 44, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16050 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 43):
BA should too! However, white is better than grey!

Few seem to have noticed that the high winged Sun-Air Dorniers painted in BA livery have dark blue engines:


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So I do not think that many will notice if BA's 787s have white instead of dark blue engines.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 45, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15957 times:

Quoting eugegall (Reply 17):

Much better logo and design than current speed marque and tail flag.


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2179 posts, RR: 7
Reply 46, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15953 times:

Cant they be painted in normal colours? eg:


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15799 times:

Quoting BA777 (Reply 46):

No, Boeing have recommended airlines stick to the colours on offer white or grey, otherwise it effects the aircrafts performance...

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User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15569 times:

Why don't BA re-register the BMI buses to G-EU** Prefix, the 321s could be G-EUXN-U?

Alternatively all exBMI 319, 320 and 321could be G-EUBA-Z for example?

Does it cost to re-register an aircraft?

Maybe they going to have short lives with BA so might not worth re-registering?


User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15509 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 48):
Why don't BA re-register the BMI buses to G-EU** Prefix, the 321s could be G-EUXN-U?

It would just be something else to do and since the aircraft are already on the UK register it would just be more work..

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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3590 posts, RR: 3
Reply 50, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15448 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 48):
Why don't BA re-register the BMI buses to G-EU** Prefix, the 321s could be G-EUXN-U? Alternatively all exBMI 319, 320 and 321could be G-EUBA-Z for example?Does it cost to re-register an aircraft?Maybe they going to have short lives with BA so might not worth re-registering?

When they acquired a few ex GB airways aircraft they didn't change the registrations, I asume they won't this time either.


User currently offlinetcx69k From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15447 times:
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Why don't BA re-register the BMI buses to G-EU** Prefix, the 321s could be G-EUXN-U?

Just like when bmi took over B|MED, the aircraft remained G-MED* & were not re-registered. Even though at the time this meant there were 2 A321's known as 'DL'!


User currently offlinebamf777 From UK - England, joined Sep 2012, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15435 times:

Another reason why they won't be re-registered is because its a way of determining which aircraft are ex-bmi and which ones are mainline BA. All safety notices regarding ex-bmi aircraft are specific to a/c reg for example G-DBCA-DBCK etc. There are quite a few differences between the BA fleet of busses and the bmi ones in terms of flight deck,cabin and galley features which require some knowledge of the differences and keeping the registrations is the best way to determ which type you will operate on so you can know the difference in features.

On a side note, I must say the ex-bmi A319's are a pain to work on but the new layout mid-haul 321's are amazing!



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15402 times:

Quoting bamf777 (Reply 52):
On a side note, I must say the ex-bmi A319's are a pain to work on

I found the seating pitch to be uncomfortably tight and I was in 4A. Not the usual BA experience I must say.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 54, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15365 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 48):
Why don't BA re-register the BMI buses to G-EU** Prefix, the 321s could be G-EUXN-U?

Most of the BD fleet has already been reregistered to British Airways using their original registrations

G-DBCB on 29 May
G-DBCC on 8 June
G-DBCD on 20 June
G-DBCE on 6 July
G-DBCF on 19 July
G-DBCG on 25 July
G-DBCH on 11 June
G-DBCI on 21 August
G-DBCJ on 7 August
G-DBCK also on 7 August
G-MEDH on 4 October
G-MEDN on 9 October
G-MIDS on 17 September
G-MIDT also on 17 September
G-MIDY on 10 October


Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 48):
Does it cost to re-register an aircraft?


I am sure that the CAA wiull charge for any registration change. Whether they charge more for a change in registered operator AND a change in registration letters than only a change in registered operator I do not know.

However the two 320s that served with GB Airways (in BA livery), then easyJet and then British Airways retained their original registrations with all three airlines and through three changes of livery:

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Reply 55, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15320 times:
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These are the only two aircraft in BA's LHR and LGW fleets not to carry this logo in this position. Here note that this logo is not painted on the right side of BA's aircraft.

Ex-bmi A319 G-DBCI doesn't either, strangely!


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 56, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15170 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 47):

I think grey is not an option anymore either as ANA, China Southern and United have not opted for it to match their livery style on other aircraft types in their fleets, Qatar seems to have rebelled against the Boeing recommendation, maybe they are not too particular about pinching pennies in such a case.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15121 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 56):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 47):

I think grey is not an option anymore either as ANA, China Southern and United have not opted for it to match their livery style on other aircraft types in their fleets, Qatar seems to have rebelled against the Boeing recommendation, maybe they are not too particular about pinching pennies in such a case.

I wonder how much of a fuel burn penalty there really is for painting the nacelles. I'd love to know.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 58, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15034 times:

Quoting tcx69k (Reply 55):
Ex-bmi A319 G-DBCI doesn't either, strangely!

Thanks for noticing and pointing that out. I had missed it.

'CI was repainted at EMA. 'OB and 'OE were repainted at SNN. Neither are "usual" BA paint shops. So that might be a clue.


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14934 times:

Your reasons for not changing registers makes sense, thanks. The MEDs and the MIDs still get me too, I know they originate from BMED and BMI but a right mix of registers left. Suppose I thought it was good chance to sync all reg numbers with the repainting of aircraft this year.

I also thought having 2 Airbuses ending OB and OE would have been changed by now but no doubt same reasons apply.

I noticed BA have 2 Yanky Charlie's and so on with 320 and E170 and two Charlie Alphas and so on with 734 and exBMI 319. I thought most airlines avoided this in past?

Whilst talking of Charlie Alpha does anyone know if G-DBCA (last BMI 319) has gone into paint shop yet?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 60, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14867 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 59):
Whilst talking of Charlie Alpha does anyone know if G-DBCA (last BMI 319) has gone into paint shop yet?

It was ferried from LHR to SOF to go to Lufthansa Technic on 28 October. I think this is for post lease (to LH) maintenance and for the cabin to be converted from LH to BA style and not for painting. But if this is correct it may, of course, enter the BA Paint Shop at LHR when it returns home.


User currently offlinetcx69k From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14864 times:
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I noticed BA have 2 Yanky Charlie's and so on with 320 and E170 and two Charlie Alphas and so on with 734 and exBMI 319. I thought most airlines avoided this in past?

I'd guess to avoid confusion most airlines would chose not to have the same last 2 letters. AFAIK though BA generally use the last 3 letters of the registration. Ie OCA & BCA. Air Transat has several A/C ending in 'AT' but they use tail numbers instead.

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Whilst talking of Charlie Alpha does anyone know if G-DBCA (last bmi 319) has gone into paint shop yet?

G-DBCA is currently in SOF having MX & the LH interior taken out before returning to LHR where it will have BA interior fitted & also be repainted no doubt.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14746 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 59):
I noticed BA have 2 Yanky Charlie's and so on with 320 and E170 and two Charlie Alphas and so on with 734 and exBMI 319. I thought most airlines avoided this in past?

Historically it's not unknown at BA :
G-BGBB and G-HDBB
G-BGBC and G-HDBC
Currently
G-EUOB and G-TTOB
G-EUOE and G-EUOE
G-DOC* and G-DBC*
G-EUY* and G-LCY*


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 63, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14435 times:

BA A319 G-EUPM has sprouted a moustache to mark the month of Movember:

http://press.ba.com/?p=2482


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14345 times:

I like the moustache, good idea for Movember. I wonder if they will do a handlebar too, would especially like to see that on a 744.

Still no news on last BMI livery 319 G-DBCA returning from Sofia. Will be nice to get a last glimpse before she goes to the paint shop.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14333 times:

That's great! Too bad no more Concorde, a nice pencil thin one would have been amusing!


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Reply 66, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14310 times:
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Quoting VV701 (Reply 63):
BA A319 G-EUPM has sprouted a moustache to mark the month of Movember

Thanks for that.....I saw the media info earlier today and thought to myself "..someone on A.Net will have the reg....."


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14309 times:

Movember ought to be rigorously outlawed by the fashion Police. Good taste demands it.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 68, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 63):
BA A319 G-EUPM has sprouted a moustache to mark the month of Movember

Shame for all those patiently waiting at LHR's Myrtle Avenue with their cameras at the ready.

I believe the moustache decal was applied by British Airways Maintenance Glasgow after 'PM had operated LHR-GLA (BA1478) on 4 November. This aircrafdt was then transferred to British Airways Gatwick Fleet and operated GLA-LGW (BA2953) on 5 November.

LGW seems to be BA's "fun" home where all red nosed and moustached aircraft operate their fun, "holiday" flights.


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Reply 69, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14421 times:
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A320 G-MIDX is now in full BA livery.



User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 70, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14347 times:

Quoting tcx69k (Reply 69):

Thanks for posting your photo.

Since the first or second week in August 'DX has had a square blue patch over the small Star Alliance logo and titles that had previously been present between the flight-deck windows and door #1:


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Quite what the purpose was in view of the remaining large fuselage titles and large tail logo I am not quite sure. But I wondered if this might have been done while the aircraft was grounded at FRA from 11 to 15 August with a technical problem. [Photos elsewhere on the web show it with the logo and small titles on 2 August and with the blue square on 17 August.]


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14229 times:

G-MIDX looks nice and shiney in new coat, thanks for posting. Not many to go now.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 70):
Since the first or second week in August 'DX has had a square blue patch over the small Star Alliance logo and titles that had previously been present between the flight-deck windows and door #1:

Do you think the blue squares are due to passengers seeing this when boarding or disembarking. Most passengers won't see fuselage if boarding via jetty?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 72, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 14223 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 71):
Do you think the blue squares are due to passengers seeing this when boarding or disembarking. Most passengers won't see fuselage if boarding via jetty?

Well I think that may have been the intention but . . .

An equally interesting and not unrelated question is at whose instigation was the blue patch applied to 'DX? The patch was not there on 2 August. It was there on 17 August.

From 14 July to 11 August 'DX was wet leased to LH operating their three-times-daily flights between FRA and either BHX or MAN. From 11 to 15 August it was tech at FRA (when LH could have applied the patch). On 15 August it was ferried FRA-LHR (giving BA its only opportunity to apply the patch) before operating LHR-MAN (BA8188) on 16 August. On arrival at MAN it was again wet leased by LH and initially rededicated to their MAN-FRA-MAN rotation. It continued to operate for LH on either its MAN or BHX services until 10 October when it went tech again, this time at BHX. After being ferried to LHR on 12 October and then back to BHX on 13 October it continued to operate for LH until 27 October. On that date it was returned to BA and ferried from MAN to LHR. On arrival it went straight to the BA Paint Shop.

The purpose of all the above detail? Apart from the unplanned LHR-MAN flight on 16 August all of its revenue flights from 13 July until it entered the paint shop were actually Star flights! So the patch was not really functional! Indeed the reason why it remained in Star Alliance livery with Star Alliance titles up to the end of the Summer Timetable is apparent. From the end of May except for 10 to 19 June and 11 to 13 July It was continuously dedicated to operating LH / Star Alliance flights between FRA and BHX and MAN.


User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 614 posts, RR: 8
Reply 73, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14232 times:

G-BNWA is sporting the 'crest' now. Spotted at LGW couple of days ago. Seems to have been replaced by BNWB now for cabin refurb.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 74, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14204 times:

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 73):

Are the cabins being refitted to BA standards galleys inclusive..?

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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 75, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14206 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 74):
Are the cabins being refitted to BA standards galleys inclusive..?

It is a fairly extensive refurbishment.

For the short-haul fleet it includes new, larger overhead luggage bins, new economy class seats, new side-wall and bulkhead panels, new lighting, refurbished WCs and new drop-down screens. The new economy class seats are the slim-back seats already fitted to the BA Airbus and 734 fleets and they have been used to replace all the previous economy class seats as well as the C/Y convertible seats of rows 15 to 25. This has enabled BA to install an additional 2-3-2 row of economy class seats. As a result the maximum number of passengers rises from 252 to 259 when all seats are Y Class configured.

For seven long-haul 763s - only half the long-haul fleet is scheduled for an upgrade with 787 deliveries scheduled to start next summer - the upgrade additionally includes the fitting of the current second generation BA J Class lie-flat seat slightly modified because of the 763s narrower cabin as well as revised W and Y Class seats.

The last long-haul aircraft refurbishment (G-BNWV) took two days less than a month while the last short-haul aircraft to be refurbished (G-BZHB) was out of service for exactly a month.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 76, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14224 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 75):
while the last short-haul aircraft to be refurbished (G-BZHB) was out of service for exactly a month.

G-BNWA left LGW on Thur morning and operated to FRA and ARN from LHR with the new interior.
G-BNWB is now in the hangar at LGW.

and for you A380 fans, the first BA aircraft is on its first flight.
see the A380 thresd for details.

[Edited 2012-11-09 06:31:00]

User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14444 times:

Good to hear more refurbs and another crest. This is the first 767 with a crest then?
I take it the domestic 767s are around for a while whilst 787s joints fleet to operate long haul. What does everyone think will replace the domestic 767s long term, domestic 787?

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 76):
and for you A380 fans, the first BA aircraft is on its first flight.

First flights are usually not in full livery, does anyone know when G-XLEA (to be) is going to the paint shop for final coat?


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 78, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14417 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 77):
First flights are usually not in full livery, does anyone know when G-XLEA (to be) is going to the paint shop for final coat?

Well its got to go and have its cabin fitted first in Germany.
It will be probably June next year before it is painted.


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14386 times:

The BAsource is stating G-DBCA positioned from Sofia to LHR this afternoon. However I'm seeing "CA" currently at 38,000ft just over Belgium about to fly over English Channel as BA9271

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Reply 80, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14358 times:
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The BAsource is stating G-DBCA positioned from Sofia to LHR this afternoon. However I'm seeing "CA" currently at 38,000ft just over Belgium about to fly over English Channel as BA9271

And gone are them vile LH seats, thank God! Now with a configuration of 144CY to match the rest of the ex-bmi A319's. Just needs a repaint now!


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14332 times:

I'm assuming CA has gone in for repaint last night/today? Sad to see last BMI 319 go. Anyone have latest tally of BMI aircraft still in BMI livery?

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Reply 82, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14378 times:
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Anyone have latest tally of bmi aircraft still in bmi livery?

A319: G-DBCA
A320: G-MEDH, G-MEDK, G-MIDO, G-MIDY
A321: G-MEDF, G-MEDG, G-MEDJ, G-MEDL*, G-MEDU

*bmi/BA interim livery

See: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/bmi-d...eriors-configuration-part-2-a.html

[Edited 2012-11-12 02:44:25]

User currently offlineba9216c From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14353 times:

Unfortunately, G-EUPC (the firefly) was in the paintbay yesterday and will be back in ba livery soon.

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User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14287 times:

Thanks for update on tally and other link tcx69k

Shame to hear Firefly back in standard livery so soon. How much did that cost to paint and was cost of firefly and other doves absorbed solely by BA and was this part of BAs advertising budget for London 2012 Olympics?

Does this also mean Doves have a shorter lifespan and return to standard BA livery sooner than scheduled repainting so many years time?


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14308 times:

Firefly looked really good but I think I am pleased the Olympic scheme is going. It was *awesome* and as a Londoner we had a great time but it's over. It's like seeing the occasional volunteer still wearing parts of the uniform.

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Reply 86, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14268 times:
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G-MIDO is now in full BA livery. G-DBCA should be going in for repaint shortly too.

User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

G-DBCA hasn't flown since return from Sofia Sunday so is she still waiting to enter paint shop, is she waiting outside hangers?

Saw G-MIDO flying off to VIE on fr24 this morning but cloud base too low.

I read on other post that there is talk of new livery for BA, does anyone know if this is true? Seems strange to me as they have been repainting BMI quite rapidly.


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2179 posts, RR: 7
Reply 88, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14247 times:

Does this mean the olympic stickers aft of the rear doors on the Airbus fleet are also being removed? Has anyone seen a "stickered" a/c become unstickered?

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14223 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 87):
I read on other post that there is talk of new livery for BA, does anyone know if this is true? Seems strange to me as they have been repainting BMI quite rapidly.

Don't know... though someone spotted a newly stylised BA "tail logo" on their facebook page and posted it in another thread on here.


User currently offlineba9216c From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14207 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 89):

That stylised logo came about before the Olympics and was used on Olympic adverts (posters, signs). When I first seen it at work I instantly thought that's what BA need on their tails. It would be like the air France new scheme .. An updated, modern, revised livery but nothing too radical. I keep my fingers crossed for this to happen but have not heard of a new livery yet. With all the effort of painting ex-BMI buses, I too cannot see a new livery happening any time soon.


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14217 times:

It's been confirmed, firefly is no more.

http://www.thebasource.com/firefly-extinguished/

Does anyone know if the doves will also be repainted soon?

G-DBCA went into paint shop nearly a week ago so should be in union flag livery soon.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14168 times:

They've tweaked the tail livery a few times, it has been discussed before, however we're not expecting a new livery as the current one is pretty fresh IMHO.

G-MIDO incidentally has the last three on the fin, the first of the ex bmi machines to have that, all else having the last two.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 93, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14167 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 91):
Does anyone know if the doves will also be repainted soon?

No. That is I do not know if the Dove liveried aircraft will be repainted soon.

However, the Dove livery does not allude directly to London 2012 and the Summer Olympics while "The Firefly" had London 2012 symbology on its nose. So unlike "The Firefly" I do not think that the Dove livery is time-limited by the IOC. Further it was suggested at the time of the announcement of the plan to paint aircraft in a special livery that the livery would be retained for a year.

So . . .

However it was also originally announced that the competition winning livery would be seen all over the world. It was said that it would be painted on different aircraft types. But perhaps after the Dove livery won the competition it was decided that making a 744 look like a dove was a bit of an up-hill task?


User currently offlinetcx69k From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14150 times:
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A320 G-MIDY was ferried LHR-MAD yesterday for repainting into BA livery.

User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14043 times:

G-DBCA is back in the air, just seen her on fr24 over south London to DUS. I assume CA is in the new livery so no more BMI 319s, just the handful of 320s and 321s.

Cheers Bluesky73


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Reply 96, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13703 times:
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I arrived into LHR this afternoon to see G-MEDH taxying out for departure minus it's bmi titles & with an oddly placed British Airways sticker at the rear. As this aircraft will be returned to the lessor in February I'm guessing that's why it's not getting a full repaint, but they could at least of put the sticker onto a white background!    Looks awful!



User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13400 times:

G-MEDH does look a rush job and agree would be better on white background.

G-MEDL looks better in the hybrid livery.

So is DH the only one to return to leaser next year? Is that reason DL is hybrid?


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13176 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 97):
G-MEDH does look a rush job and agree would be better on white background.

G-MEDL looks better in the hybrid livery.

So is DH the only one to return to leaser next year? Is that reason DL is hybrid?

They might be the two aircraft that are being converted to SH BA network. BA always planned to move two MED A320s to short haul.


User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12964 times:

Saw G-DBCA fly over this weekend and out of interest the undersurface of the elevators are still bright red.

User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12709 times:

Seems strange they would not fully paint CA into full BA livery including elevators? This was also painted at LHR.

G-MIDY on way back from MAD to UK now 19.15 gmt and over northern France.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 101, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12376 times:

Quoting TimRees (Reply 99):
Saw G-DBCA fly over this weekend and out of interest the undersurface of the elevators are still bright red.

This would be something interesting to incorporate into the BA livery.



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Reply 102, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12239 times:
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A320 G-MEDK arrived back from MAD this afternoon after being repainted into BA livery. The ex-bmi fleet livery status is now as follows:

A319:
G-DBCA - British Airways
G-DBCB - Dove
G-DBCC - British Airways
G-DBCD - Dove
G-DBCE - British Airways
G-DBCF - British Airways
G-DBCG - British Airways
G-DBCH - British Airways
G-DBCI - British Airways
G-DBCJ - British Airways
G-DBCK - British Airways

A320:
G-MEDH - Basic bmi*
G-MEDK - British Airways
G-MIDO - British Airways
G-MIDS - British Airways
G-MIDT - British Airways
G-MIDX - British Airways
G-MIDY - British Airways

A321:
G-MEDF - bmi
G-MEDG - bmi
G-MEDJ - bmi
G-MEDL - Basic bmi, BA tail
G-MEDM - British Airways
G-MEDN - British Airways
G-MEDU - British Airways

*A320 G-MEDH will not be repainted


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12150 times:

As G-MEDK is a BA spec aircraft I presume it will op ex T5/3 instead of T1?

Why is MEDH going? I would have thought the BA spec aircraft would be top of the priority list for BA to keep.


User currently offlinetcx69k From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12131 times:
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As G-MEDK is a BA spec aircraft I presume it will op ex T5/3 instead of T1?

G-MEDK isn't really a BA spec aircraft & in fact there is very little difference between the bmi & BA A320's. G-MEDK will have the same cabin & galley layout as the other ex-bmi A320's & as it also requires bulk loading & the G-MID A320's do not, would more likely see them at T5.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

G-MEDK has BA spec galleys along with all other ex-BMED aircraft which were originally ordered by BA before being allocated to BMED. Apart from seating config BMEDs A320 series were identical to BAs.

User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Not many left now in BMI livery, does anyone know which of the A32x is next to go into the paint shop?

They have used Madrid for last two repaints, do BA send a paint team to Spain to work with Spanish or is all paint work carried out by Spanish to a given design spec? I assume it is Iberian workers that carry out job in Madrid.

Does anyone know how much an average repaint of an aircraft costs? Obviously size of plane will change price but i'm interested to know.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11771 times:

So the new BA logo and title that appeared on an ad in faceboook is not happening?

User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11721 times:

Is it a major modification to convert an Airbus from bulk loading to container loading and why did BMI opt for bulk loading in the first place out of interest?

User currently offlinetcx69k From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11684 times:
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Not many left now in BMI livery, does anyone know which of the A32x is next to go into the paint shop?

It'll be an A321 as that's all that's left to be repainted. G-MEDL is the next I believe.

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Is it a major modification to convert an Airbus from bulk loading to container loading and why did BMI opt for bulk loading in the first place out of interest?

bmi only opted for bulk loading on the A319, to speed up the turnaround I'd guess. The original bmi aircraft have containerized loading.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11678 times:

The "new" BA Logo on Facebook appeared to be just a bad rendering of the current one!

User currently offlinetcx69k From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11688 times:
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Saw G-DBCA fly over this weekend and out of interest the undersurface of the elevators are still bright red.

Indeed they are! Just like the winglets on G-MEDM are also still red.

http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh498/TCX69K/584D4A7F-8A4C-401C-9AE1-3F0DDFAD981E-2203-00000163B679E8D5.jpg



User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11590 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 110):
bmi only opted for bulk loading on the A319, to speed up the turnaround I'd guess. The original bmi aircraft have containerized loading.

Excuse my ignorance but is it not quicker to load the luggage into containers and put them into the hold in one go as it were rather than loading them up the conveyor belt one at a time?


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 7
Reply 113, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11454 times:
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Quoting TimRees (Reply 112):
Excuse my ignorance but is it not quicker to load the luggage into containers and put them into the hold in one go as it were rather than loading them up the conveyor belt one at a time?

No its not at many/most airports.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 114, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11396 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 110):

But it also carried loweecase font new BA title as well, and some one here said its being used on some stuff at LHR.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11337 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 114):

But it also carried loweecase font new BA title as well, and some one here said its being used on some stuff at LHR.

Mate, someone saw it on a bus. It's not a rebranding, trust me. It's not happening.

Quoting 777way (Reply 107):
So the new BA logo and title that appeared on an ad in faceboook is not happening?

Sorry can you link to this and explain what you mean? There are already various union flag variations, two on the B747 fleet and B777 fleets alone.


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11262 times:

Thanks tcx69k for posting pics of G-DBCA and MEDM. Would this not be noticed by the paint teams, CA was painted at LHR so should have been repainted to spec correct? Actually like the red winglets on DM but hope BA retrofit the Airbus fleet with sharklets.

Quoting tcx69k (Reply 109):
It'll be an A321 as that's all that's left to be repainted. G-MEDL is the next I believe.

MEDL is in hybrid livery then went for interior reconfig, seems strange to then go back another repaint straight away?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 117, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11195 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 106):
Does anyone know how much an average repaint of an aircraft costs?

Way back when BA launched their World Tails in 1997 they said in a Press Release:

"The company has set aside £2 million for the world images and the overall design. Implementing it will cost £60 million over three years, although most of this would have been spent on the regular repainting of aircraft and signage and restocking of stationary even if the old livery was being retained."

At that time BA had 308 aircraft. So if we assume that 80 per cent of the £60 million was for aircraft repainting, the cost in 1997 would have been around an average of £160,000 per aircraft, somewhere near £230,000 at today's prices.

At the same time BA said "It takes four days and 560 man hours to paint a Boeing 747." if we were to assume employment costs (including, for example, company pension contributions and National Insurance of £100 an hour that would suggest a labour cost of painting a 747 of the order of £56,000 back then or around £80,000 today.

Better, does anyone know what speciaist aircraft paint shops like Air Livery or Aviation Cosmetics charge?

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 116):
Would this not be noticed by the paint teams, CA was painted at LHR so should have been repainted to spec correct?

It's a bit strange that the elevators are still red and the rest of the horizontal tail surface are now white. So one possibility could be that the aircraft was repainted with white elevators but that the elevators were subsequently changed and the spare elevators fitted were still in BD's colours.

This seems a possibility as most of the painting "errors" on BA aircraft were not made by the BA LHR Paint Shop. For example both of the ex-GB Airways 320s (G-TTOB and 'OE) were repainted in late 2009 from hybrid U2/BA livery into BA Union Flag livery at SNN but the 'Royal Mail' logo was omitted from the lower rear fuselage on the left side on both aircraft. This logo was more recently omitted last August when 319 G-DBCI was repainted in the British Midland Airways paint shop at EMA.

However the exception that proves the rule was when the BA LHR Paint Shop repainted 319 G-EUPE in August 2009. They repositioned the start of the main titles on the left side and the end of the main titles of the right side under the first cabin window aft of door #1. The normal positioning is under the blanked out window one position closer to the door as on G-EUPA below:


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User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11044 times:

Thanks for the concise reply and calcalations VV701. I noticed a lot of the recent BA repaints of late take 8 days or so, maybe extra work is carried out as BMI aircraft are transferred to BA.

No wonder some airlines take along time to rebrand and it makes economical sense to wait until the scheduled repaint or major maintainance.

As for CA, the BA source did say she returned to service a day late due to maintainance, maybe a link to elevators being a different colour?

Quoting VV701 (Reply 117):
However the exception that proves the rule was when the BA LHR Paint Shop repainted 319 G-EUPE in August 2009. They repositioned the start of the main titles on the left side and the end of the main titles of the right side under the first cabin window aft of door #1. The normal positioning is under the blanked out window one position closer to the door as on G-EUPA below:

Well spotted, someone got the template wrong that day. They must be moving titles forward to make room for crest now anyway.I still think crest would look good under pilot window ( last window before front door) but that just my opinion.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 115):

This one http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...2/ScreenShot2012-10-24at000852.png

I can understand its not going through or these BMI birds would have got it first, but was just wondering why the floated it around, was it meant to be but turned out to be unpopular?


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10940 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 119):
but was just wondering why the floated it around, was it meant to be but turned out to be unpopular?

It looks like someone was lazy and just didn't bother using the correct font, it looks like Arial for goodness sake (!)

btw speaking of getting it wrong in the paintshop.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...d=7490d3e86d6c5b6eda204f02f8a7287c

The landor tail wasn't put on straight and yet it still flew like this for years(!)
How do I drop the lil pics into the post btw? Someone pm me.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 121, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10906 times:

whats wrong with that tail?

This is how you attach pics here:

1 this

So it would be


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10796 times:

..........do tell.

When G-BIKG was resprayed in the 90s, the Landor fin logo was painted at an uphill angle. It just looked wrong!
Perhaps you had to see it in person but by God you didn't need binoculars to read the reg off of that one. Alongwith G-BIKK and the crazy four-square nose, you could identify it at a glance.


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 123, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10690 times:
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Quoting skipness1E (Reply 120):
How do I drop the lil pics into the post btw? Someone pm me.

Click the Posting Help link above the reply box for all details how to post photo links into replies.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/help.main?open=new

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CROSSWIND


User currently offlinetcx69k From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10157 times:
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G-MEDF & G-MEDL are now in full BA livery  

User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9857 times:

Quoting tcx69k (Reply 124):
G-MEDF & G-MEDL are now in full BA livery

I saw G-MEDL wasn't flying from 3rd to 10th December so assumed it had been back paint shop in after your earlier post. I'm actually surprised MEDL went in for hybrid livery paint in October as didn't last long, surely was easier to carry our full repaint first time?

Has G-MEDF just come out of paint shop then and where was she painted?

Looking forward to seeing First A380 and 787 in BA livery, not long now  


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 126, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 125):
Has G-MEDF just come out of paint shop then and where was she painted?

'DF opertated from GYD to LHR on 10 December and was then out of service - presumably in BA's LHR Paint Shop - until it re-entered service (LHR-TLV) on 18 December.


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9247 times:

As 2013 comes to a close so does the repaint of BMI buses into BA livery. G-MEDJ was back in service today to Baku, been out of service 10 days and I'm assuming now in BA colours.
G-MEDG repositioned to Madrid on 20th Dec so due back in next couple days.

Once 'DG is back I believe all buses due for repaint are completed (if 'DJ confirmed) Only G-MEDH to stay in BMI livery with BA titles until returning to lease company in Feb '13.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 128, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 127):
Once 'DG is back I believe all buses due for repaint are completed (if 'DJ confirmed) Only G-MEDH to stay in BMI livery with BA titles until returning to lease company in Feb '13.

'DG returned from MAD where it was repainted and re-entered service on 3 January. So the ex-BD 321 fleet was at full strength for the first time in a long time.

The return of this aircraft has apparently enabled BA to revamp its LHR-CAI service.

The BA Cairo service has been in a state of flux since the start of the 'Arab Spring' in 2011. At that time the daily BA flight was operated by a four-class 744. After the 'Arab Spring' started it was soon downgraded to a four-class 772 flight.

On 20 April 2012 BA effectively added the former BD daily 321 CAI flight to their timetable. So they flew the route twice daily with a four-class 772 and a two-class medium-haul A 321. This continued until the A 321 flight was withdrawn on 4 September. From that date until the end of the Summer Season Timetable on 27 October BA operated a four-class 744 to CAI in place of its 772 .

At the start of the Winter 2012-13 Season BA again substituted a four-class 772 for the four-class 744 on their CAI route. BA still operated this flight out of LHR T5. However the day after 'DG returned to service after painting, the day after the BA operational medium-haul A 321 fleet was restored to full strength, the BA CAI service switched from being a four-class 772 flight out of T5 to a two-class A 321 flight out of T1.

Coincidence? Probably not.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 129, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

Does seem like a huge capacity reduction and premium offering, but they presumably know what theyre doing.

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