AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 87703 times:
Having viewed the pic, I'm now choosing to believe that you and Russ are wrong. There's no other reasonable conclusion.
That's way too ugly to be destined for AA.
Looks more like the Chilean Air Force... the one with the solid grey airplane, and the blue rudder.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16814 posts, RR: 57 Reply 4, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 87073 times:
Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
Sorry to report, but this pic by Russell Hill says it all. First 77W has been rolled out painted gray/silver. Bare metal no more
Matte grey? Are you sure this isn't a military aircraft?
I doubt AA would allow a new paintscheme to be seen on the flight line without any sort of announcements. Most airlines are highly secretive about new branding.
Unless the US military has 77Ws to replace VC-25s, then its definitely for AA. Just north of L2 door is an American flag, nothing close to the Chilean flag.
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3905 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 86763 times:
Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 5): Just north of L2 door is an American flag
The American flag certainly is a give away sign this is destined to a US of A carrier and AA from memory is the only carrier which have B77Ws on the Boeing order books...
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 9, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 86946 times:
Quoting mayor (Reply 6): I've seen Air Force C-130s that look better than that.......maybe there's another coat to be sprayed, to make it shinier.
To be fair, today's weather has been lousy, to say the least. Very overcast and rain/drizzle all day. And it's not like the picture is very high-quality to begin with.
Personally, I'll reserve judgement until I see the finished product. . .
Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 5): Unless the US military has 77Ws to replace VC-25s, then its definitely for AA. Just north of L2 door is an American flag, nothing close to the Chilean flag.
Hahaha. . . look again. . . that's actually a real flag on a pole above the delivery building next to the stall.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16814 posts, RR: 57 Reply 11, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 86704 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 8): The American flag certainly is a give away sign this is destined to a US of A carrier and AA from memory is the only carrier which have B77Ws on the Boeing order books...
No, look closely. Enlarge the photo. The flag is skewed to the line of the aircraft. It has a decidedly downward slant to it from fore to aft. It also overlaps the top rear corner of the aft-most window before the L2 door. No flag would be painted on in such a manner. Furthermore, if you look closely, you can see the flagpole rising from the apex of the roof of the low building immediately in front of the aircraft.
I'm not saying it's not AA's aircraft, but I am saying that that flag is not painted on; it's in the foreground.
If this is AA's aircraft, my guess is that this is some sort of primer awaiting a gloss finish. I'm not aware of any commercial carrier that has ever used matte grey.
Darksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 979 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 86654 times:
All I can say is that if that is indeed an AA 77W, I hope the gray is just a base for a special scheme or something better. The last time they tried this on the A300's it really did look pretty rough in person. Even when new.
Posting without Talent is simply Tolerated Vandalism... We are the Vandals.
rj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1471 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 86489 times:
I'm not that good with painting so if someone could enlighten me...... would that base layer indicate that that paint scheme will NOT include a majority of white?
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2554 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 86462 times:
While I agree that this is probably a base coat, and that the final coat will be painted on literally the night before they are ready to reveal the new look to a big media circus, I think this would be an awesome base colour for a new livery...
With some punchy red, white and blue waves up the side and a big AA on the tail, it would be very bold...
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 86154 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
The American flag certainly is a give away sign this is destined to a US of A carrier and AA from memory is the only carrier which have B77Ws on the Boeing order books...
That's all good and well, but we need to lay the flag thing to rest; no US carrier prominently displays the US flag above door L2. That's just silly.
Anyhow, IF the plane ends up like Northwest's metallic silver final livery did, then I'll tolerate it. Otherwise, it's just so much marketing department decision making.
The old Northwest was metallic, the old UA was gloss, and military seems to use matte. Furthermore, I'd be surprised to see a matte paint job, unless I'm missing something about the paint itself. As a car enthusiast, I hear a lot about how much work it takes to maintain a matte paint job and keep it looking good, assuming it ever looked good. Plus, an airliner is going to see harsher environments on a regular basis, since leaving your matte black Lambo in the garage is usually an option.
Also, a gloss finish will have a lower friction coefficient than a matte paint scheme.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
25 tugger: Dumb questions: Why do we know for certain that this is an AA destined aircraft? Just the order book and what is up next? Just the flag? Could it be a
26 tommy767: Actually as much as I love the current paint scheme, I'm a big believer in this could be a good thing. Their corporate image is so tainted, and how el
27 checksixx: ALL passenger airliners being delivered have a clear coat applied.
28 sabian404: Guys, sorry for the image quality, but it was shot with a Galaxy S III at full zoom. The aircraft is currently sporting N717AN as the reg.
29 crapper1: they have to try new things where they are now is not good any lower and they will hit tree tops and then its done with, I think they need to update t
30 DocLightning: I sure hope so, because otherwise there's gonna be a delivery delay! I'll give you a flag pole... Wait... that didn't come out right at all. Does tha
31 AeroWesty: My bet: This isn't the final coat, the plane will be flown down to the PDX paint shop, then flown out under the cover of darkness to some remote spot,
32 DocLightning: No branding would ever be revealed so sloppily as this.
33 BMI727: ...which is why I highly doubt AA will opt for matte paint. Airlines don't have much incentive to have low reflectivity. Yes. There was a Boeing stud
34 macsog6: As much as I am a fan of the traditional bare metal finish, I knew it was going away - it just had to with the Airbus coming into service. I'll reserv
35 superfly: I hate to see the bare polished metal go. I really hope it's not white with painted tail or swirl.
36 sabian404: Photo of it this evening - http://flic.kr/p/dk9qL1
37 Prost: Under that lighting it sort of has a pale grey color to it.
38 Deltal1011man: why? White/grey/NWA metallic for the bus and metal for the Boeing. AA's management is doing this just to do it. smh.
39 JAAlbert: Alright Mister, what do you know that you are not telling us? Your post sounds like you know what the livery will look like - if so, tell us! I actua
40 PHX787: Wellll maybe this might be from my days hanging out at my buddy's detailing shop. Before he painted a car in a darker color, he always put a base coa
41 EA CO AS: Regarding the paint, is it possible it will receive the same sort of silver/gray paint as seen on N569AS, the "Starliner 75" ? Under the right (wrong
42 JAAlbert: Ahah! I think you're right. jeeeezzz, it does look almost white at night doesn't it? But don't give up hope - yet. At least we now have a definitive
43 realsim: If the reg is N717AN, then it's 100% sure it's an aircraft for AA: Here you have the registry information, as you will see, the aircraft is a 777-323,
44 Eagleboy: Yep, can't see any airline boosting about their new 'Grey' rebranding...............unless they want to cash in on the recent literary success of the
45 pdxswa: Come on everyone this is a base coat of all white. This is not newsworthy yes it is AA's first 77W . It is newsworthy when it is painted in full liver
46 USAIRWAYS321: The fact that an AA 777 has a base coat of anything is indeed newsworthy.
47 817Dreamliiner: Agreed. Im actually looking forward to what they come up with.
48 redzeppelin: I quite like the idea of a dark charcoal or gunmetal metallic finish. I hope that's what they do.
49 scbriml: It's clearly grey, not white. Compare it to the 747 parked next to it. I think that's the final colour. If it was just a base coat, would they really
50 airliner371: Does anyone know... Are we looking at an early or late November delivery? I think this is great and highly needed. Hopefully we see a new logo and a m
51 zkojq: Has AA scheduled an event for the new livery's unveiling? Why would they start the registration sequence for a new type at seven? The convention is us
52 VC10er: There is a high likelihood the the Creative Director of the NWA silver scheme will be the same as for the new AA. I can't confirm that, but even if it
53 EK413: Thanks for pointing it to me and after taking a look at the latest photo which has been shared we put to rest the US of A flag theory... I am nervous
54 AviRaider: Can someone post the pic on anet? Because I can't view flickr at work. Thanks!
56 iFlyLOTs: Luckily though, we do now know that the flag pole is a darker grey. I was starting to get worried we would never know the color I just hope that if t
58 maxpower1954: WRONG. JetGlo and Aluminagrip are the two predominate jet aircraft paints. They are single stage polyurethane epoxy paints that do not use a clear co
59 cosyr: I thought that AA was trying to sublease their first couple 77w's because of problems funding the aircraft. Is there any possibility that they found a
60 sancho99504: in the daytime photo even with it enlarged, i cannot see the flagpole. although see below thank you for posting this picture, it is much more crisp t
61 ckfred: Over the years, it seems that the three most common letters in AA N-numbers are AA, AM, and AN. Add to the information the series number -323, and th
62 777way: The first should have been in the current AA livery the rest in the new scheme.
63 rbgso: Pardon my ignorance, but why can't current Airbus aircraft be in a bare metal livery?
64 ABQopsHP: Since AA is ordering new A/C that will be composite materials, I can understand the need for Grey, or any kind of painting. I have a few questions tho
65 777way: ^ Many LCCs use metallic paint so I dont thinks its an issue anymore, and they maintain the paintwork superbly.
67 wrldtvlr: I came across this in a Google search. Yesterday, Tom Horton confirms a new livery is in the works. Apologies if it has already been posted. http://bo
68 tugger: Actually not yet. An equivalent composite section is about the same weight as an equivalent aluminum section (or perhaps that's Al-Li). The big savin
69 CARST: Do you all see the dark/black spots on the grey color? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8092938824/lightbox/ Could it be that this is some sort
70 777way: It seems to have a pearly hue like the Virgin Atlantic new white colour and Air India's off white.
71 superfly: Agreed. It's a sad day in airline history to see the bare polished metal going away. Just when we thought I we could see the first US-based airline w
72 dc1030cf: When the photo was enlarged, the letters painted on the nose gear door read "77-3 7LA" Anybody know what they stand for?
73 777klm: 77-3 the type of aircraft 7LA the frame number
74 timf: It's the fleet number and likely a designator so ground crews can tell it is a -300 just by looking at the nose. This is a good sign that the color t
75 PZ707: How many 737´s have AA pending before the vastly publicited narrowbody mega order? Maybe that way we would know if there are changes in his painting
76 gdg9: I was reading this thread wondering if anyone else had noticed that. 7LA will be the American Airlines internal Fleet No. for this aircraft. The -200
77 rj777: It wouldn't surprise me, considering the size of the AA mainline fleet.
78 caliboy78: Yes 7LA will be the first tail number for the 777-300.[Edited 2012-10-16 11:11:42]
79 DoubleDelta: Put me in the small boat of people who are absolutely THRILLED to see that horribly dated, bland, tragic, unkempt bare metal livery from AA, gone with
80 PHX787: Well it's one of the 50 shades of Grey Eu contraire, I hope they get something modern and updated....but NO BILLBOARD titles Airlines overuse those t
81 JAAlbert: I hope we have some dedicated A.net spies lurking around Boeing so we can get some more photos of the plane! You bring up an excellent point. What is
82 AeroSafari: Is it possible it could be getting prepped for a special One World livery???
83 max550: Perhaps, but in the past they've always stuck with the bare metal for the OneWorld scheme.
84 NYCAAer: Whether you liked it or not, it's time for an image change. Many people talk about how the bare metal scheme looks unkempt, it wasn't always that way.
85 BlueSky1976: It's about time American got rid of that horrible, obsolete, ugly polished metal. Kudos to management for making the call. I hope to see the silver pe
86 TrnsWrld: Wow really? lol horrible, obsolete, and ugly. Now why dont you tell us how you really feel about it? Obvoiously you are a very opinionated person abo
87 Viscount724: Matte finishes are now optional on some rather expensive cars. I've seen several recently. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/11/m...brings-the-matte-in
88 DocLightning: And appears to be gloss, after all. As for the color, most outdoor floodlights of this nature typically have poor color rendering, so I would trust t
89 flyPBA: AA's 773/ERs will be: N717AN N718AN N719AN N720AN N721AN N722AN N723AN N724AN N725AN N726AN the last three are unassigned at this time
90 flyPBA: those are static ports and associated hardware for pitot tubes, etc ...
91 DocLightning: Yes, but on aircraft it's harder to maintain and not all shiny and pretty, which makes for weaker branding. It makes sense for military aircraft, whi
92 bartonsayswhat: Hopefully they can use something like the mirror finish on the McLaren F1 car. Nice and shiny.
93 gregarious119: Jon Ostrower just posted this on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jonostrower/status/258300055595937792 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/80929388
94 DoubleDelta: Yes, AA's livery is all that BlueSky1976 said, sand it mirrors what I stated which was that it's "horribly dated, bland, tragic, unkempt bare metal..
96 DoubleDelta: I don't think that AA can pull off an attractive livery featuring "white," so here's hoping this is just an undercoat for a metallic Aeroflot or Nort
98 AeroWesty: If the final coat is to be gray or white, why would the official AA video for the 77W and A321 show a shiny silver fuselage? http://www.youtube.com/wa
99 rcair1: I don't see them. Also - I think a foil covering may be a bit tough on the pain job. I wonder if it will have red, white and blue. Be a little weird
100 airliner371: What else are they going to do? They could do an all white plane but that would not stand out in the video. If they were keeping the same livery they
101 spiritair97: I'm with you! I've never been the biggest fan of AA, but the livery was just the nail in the coffin. The unpainted planes are starting to look horrib
102 scbriml: I disagree. After a short while the planes look very shabby. The daylight photo in the OP is pretty conclusive. The 747 next to it is white, the AA 7
103 AeroWesty: It can still be painted in a shiny silver. I remain unconvinced that what we're seeing is the final top coat.
104 voodoo: How are the Virgin Atlantic and Aeroflot silvers painted on? If they start with a grey coat and follow up with a glitter containing clear top coat....
105 sabian404: Two new shots http://flic.kr/p/dkk1ff http://flic.kr/p/dkjYwX
106 william: Funny how some are posting pics of aged AA aircraft as a reason not to go bare metal. Apparently did not see what NWA's silver painted aircraft looked
107 iFlyLOTs: The first one looks like they're going to have a different color on the tail than on the rest of the plane, like a QF style almost..
108 airliner371: Tail is white, the rest is light grey.... very nice! Can't wait to see it when its all done.
109 FlyAA757: Look at this pic of the tail - much more clearly shows the color. Dark gray fuselage, light gray tail - extending past stabs. http://www.flickr.com/ph
110 gordomatic: A few photos further down shows the tail: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8095002594/in/photostream/
111 817Dreamliiner: Well, the body definitely looks grey to me seeing as how the tail is white, it looks familiar though, but just cant think of what it reminds me of.
112 xaapb: I think they look worst, AM haven't take good care of theire chrome liveries in the 777s or 737s. Greetings.
113 RedTailDTW: Well there we have it! Now I am convinced this is the final color (without the branding of course)...I find the white tail rather interesting though.
114 PVDCMHOZ: These photos remind me of this rebranding concept that was floating around the internet: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...386A94C559BB4D7DF25D23
115 sabian404: One more from a different angle - http://flic.kr/p/dkkeJW
116 LostSound: Glad to see a new livery for American, scared to see what it will look like. We can already tell the livery will be different because there is already
117 airliner371: I hope they do the rebranding quickly and I expect them to because they probably really want to move forward; thinking that the "old" is holding them
118 PVDCMHOZ: I also thought of this design when I saw the new pics.... thoughts? http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...A23B1B402F8C1786E46A90C9E&first=36
119 scbriml: On the contrary - the pics simply show that the bare metal finish isn't as great as those that want to keep the old livery claim. The far bigger driv
120 A300 American: This looks very similar to the paint lines of the tail of that picture. I think we have a winner (to what it most likely will look like). Not too bad
121 spiritair97: The new pictures of the plane look promising! With the white tail section, it already looks good! Can't wait to see the finished product.
122 ADent: From the Bing links above - some concepts, but would need white tails.
123 airliner371: Anyone know if this will include a new logo?
124 Chimborazo: Clearly it isn't the top coat as they've rubbed the American flag off and moved it further forward! I like the colour. The grey fin and cowlings on t
125 JAAlbert: It looks like the tail has several gradations of vertical grey striping -- I wonder if we're gonna see a red, white and blue striped tail .... Anyways
126 LDVAviation: I like the color... It is the perfect background for silver titles and logo. That might be too subtle for AA.
127 PHX787: you're all having one heck of an A.net field day with this, and everything so far is rumor. Typical A.net With the tail painted like that, I'm almost
128 DeltaMD90: Man some of yall are really jumping the gun. This livery is probably 20% done. It may look really awesome, it may suck. I kinda like the 2nd concept i
129 PHX787: I was going to edit my post and insert a US Airways livery until you posted this
130 airliner371: Its most likely been done for a while. They wouldn't start doing anything without having the plan 100% done. HAHAHAHA... so true.
131 DeltaMD90: Oh yeah I'm sure it's been around for a while, but NOT on this plane. All I see is a bit of gray in front and white in the back. Is gray the base coa
132 EK413: The nerves are kicking in now with the latest photo updates... EK413
133 lasairlinerenth: I actually rather like this livery. But that's just me.
134 DocLightning: Actually, I hope they keep the helvetica. The cheatline, though, is SOOO... mid-last century. I will say that Mr. Ostrower got it wrong. This aircraf
135 aa1818: Can someone in the know confirm for me, but once the rudder is installed, isn't it usually painted in the final colour? Isn't there some kind of techn
136 DocLightning: Now that is very interesting. My prediction is that there will be a tail featuring red and blue (possibly an updated eagle?) and then a grey fuselage
137 einsteinboricua: Give me an oar and let's start rowing. A lighter blue might be better. Still insist the second picture is THE best livery for American. Fresh, modern
138 airliner371: Good combination of the two here: http://anthony-harding.com/?p=144 I'm sorry, I meant an update eagle like DL updated the widget.
139 milestones787: In which paint hanger was this first coat of grey and white put on? It seems like 777s have been flown to PDX to be painted lately. Is this first 77W
140 JAAlbert: So why is this 777 outside anyway? What's it doing in this spot? It looks like it's in a storage yard of some sort. I am sooo hoping you're right! At
141 Mcoov: Gotta make room for the 77Ws nearing the end of the production line. Not everything can be done inside the factory. Some of it needs to be done outsi
142 zkojq: Bare metal looks great when it is clean and been polished. Unfortunately, the operational reality is that, as a bankrupt airline, American can hardly
143 einsteinboricua: Yes. That is the logo I saw originally. I LOVE that combination and still think it would have been the best one for United.
144 AeroWesty: True, but when did that ever stop a 'white tail' from being painted in its final livery, or a plane being repainted after a few years?
145 AeroWesty: Hat-tip to another forum. Does this paint job look familiar?: http://www.flickr.com/photos/perspec...vephotography/3500533571/lightbox/ Hmm ...
146 cageyjames: With all the mergers happening, airlines should all adopt a eurowhite theme. That way it is cheaper to change the titles.
147 einsteinboricua: IIRC the Airbus fleet managed to get the polished look as well. The lighting in that picture makes it seem like it's dark gray. View Large View Mediu
148 AeroWesty: I was actually referring to the tail/tail section being the same color, and painted in the same way that the white section is painted on the 77W. Don
149 PDX88: Ah yes, you are right. The weight of the paint on the rudder must be included in the final weight and balance of the aircraft before it can be test f
150 NWADC9: Northwest had their upcoming A330 in bowling shoe in their media bin before the real thing came out in the silver bullet scheme. And Midwest's 717 st
151 rj777: So I'm guessing it will probably make it's first flight the way it is?
152 Cargolex: That's the flight line at Paine field, and it's in the usual area for new 777s as they are in pre-delivery prep and testing. I saw it this evening, a
153 EA CO AS: Agreed 100%. If it were up to me, it wouldn't change - EVER.
154 797: I'm freaking out, actually. It'll be hard to come up with something as clever as the previous livery. Although I'd dare to say AA needs a complete re
155 scbriml: I don't believe the tail is white. Look at this photo: http://mobile.twitter.com/Sabian404/...s/257914133280866304/photo/1/large the top of the 747 i
156 cc2314: Looks like a 777QC .......to military...
157 iFlyLOTs: Just to kind of prove a point here, this is what the AM fleet looks like after awhile, looks faded just like the AA planes do
158 JAAlbert: He'd have B and A build em with aluminum! I think this is the issue - the 70s livery was genius and allowed the company to apply it to everything - w
159 william: Thank you Iflylots, thats the point I was trying to make.
161 superfly: Even dirty polished metal looks better than dirty Euro-white. Just look at any Air France aircraft. Easy. Do the same thing that Herpa Wings does with
162 A388: Great, I wonder how the final livery will look like!!! Does anyone know when their first 737 will be painted into this new livery and which registrati
163 EA CO AS: Paint 'em silver. It HAS been done, y'know...
164 superfly: As noted above, Herpa wings has no problem painting a polsihed metal look on their plastic planes.
165 scbriml: Well it looks like you're getting grey and more grey.
166 A388: Yes but does that Herpa wings plastic plane fly up to 34000 feets at cruise altitude, fly through extreme weather conditions such as heavy rain, extr
167 Darksnowynight: Exactly. While I don't work with this particular client everyday, OAI springs to mind as a good example. They went the pearlescent gray route too, wi
168 N766UA: LOL how does a plastic, static model/toy even remotely represent what is necessary/feasible on a multimillion dollar 500mph 7-mile-high-flying jetlin
170 garpd: A fine idea, but it not feasible, would scale up to be incredibly heavy and expensive. It would be cheaper, easier and lighter to wrap the 787 in an
171 DoubleDelta: If that's the case (and assuming the primary new colors with be some type of metallic)... the new AA colors would look nearly identical to Aeroflot.
172 EK413: I've been browsing the data base and I came across a photo of a brand spanking new TAM B77W with the rudder partially painted with the final colors m
173 rikkus67: This is a completely unpainted airframe, but you can see red where all the moving surfaces are located. The AA aircraft in question has a defined tai
174 Western727: Intriguing photo. Why is the rudder only partially painted? I thought it was typically wholly painted when first installed...with the vert stab itsel
175 DL_Mech: It is impossible to paint the whole leading edge of the rudder without removing it from the aircraft. Most airlines simply paint the leading edge of
176 caribb: Could it be possible the light grey is a cover shielding the painted tail underneath? It just looks a little awkwardly placed around the stabilizers.
178 william: I was thinking the same, I would not be surprised if the area that "looks" white may instead be a dark red or blue.
179 EA CO AS: This plane does: So, tell me again why silver paint won't work?
180 aussiepomm: Here is another pic, prior to flight... http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8098553527/ Additional info... (incl video) http://kpae.blogspot.com.au
181 william: Go look at the NWA aircraft after a couple years of "silver paint"
182 DocLightning: More likely the grey fuselage will be the base color with some sort of markings (probably billboard titles, no cheatline) to be added at the paintsho
183 Polot: Not all paint is the same. Just because the paint works on a static plastic model doesn't mean it is durable enough for the abuse that it would suffe
184 rikkus67: When taking a look at the first flight video, one must note that all the doors are trimmed in a dark navy blue...
185 EK413: Certainly ain't arguing the possibility of a new scheme and it's certainly on the cards... I was only pointing out that not all rudders are delivered
186 DoubleDelta: My apologies if I'm misspeaking, but how can you possibly tell it's a dark navy blue?? I've watched that video in full-1080p on a 27" iMac and at bes
187 questions: One thing is certain... AA's branding will not include putting an image of all the cramped people in the 3-4-3 Main Cabin on the tail a la the AS Eski
188 garpd: That makes no sense whatsoever! What does AS' Eskimo have to do with seating arrangement?
189 rikkus67: America(n) = Red/White/Blue. It's not a stretch to say the outline is blue instead of black... I would be surprised if it is anything other than blue
190 rampart: I still don't see how that is any worse than all-white showing dirt after a few months of use. Esthetically, that is, maintenance is another story. I
191 EK413: I'm sure there is someone amongst us but they would be breaching company policy... but us a.netter's can keep a secret! EK413
192 PDX88: Test flights now, official paint job later? Perhaps it's a requirement for doors to be outlined prior to flight testing, for emphasis for emergency cr
193 Darksnowynight: Believe it or not, all white is generally easier to take care of than a faux silver. Delta (and of course the obligatory honorable mention to Air Fra
194 caribb: I'll be curious to what they come up with. Replacing such an iconic livery will be major undertaking. I would think it would be more of an evolution
195 scbriml: Wait, you're comparing a $150million airliner with a Herpa model? Because it just ends up looking as crappy as the bare metal: I don't believe so. Th
196 Superfly: No I'm simply asking a question and making a suggestion. Hoping to get an answer from one of the experts. The Boeing 787 'dreamliner' is mostly made
197 TrnsWrld: This thing sure is a beast. Even though I love the AA bare metal paint, I think the new colors will look pretty cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?fea
198 YYZBound: Can't stay quiet anymore...had to rejoin the site so I could chime in here So I received confirmation from two VERY reliable sources yesterday, that A
199 CX Flyboy: I'm surprised that with a plane half painted and already in test-flight phase that no-one has managed to sneak an artists impression out, or at least
200 mfe777: I'm on pins and needles to see it! So exciting! I personally love that it will possibly be taking a "retro approach." I'm in my early 20's but I love
201 Darksnowynight: Good lord, they're retro now! Trying to be more so reminds me of that line from SuperTroopers, where those kids are saying "we can't pull over any fu
202 blink182: Well, given that this has not happened since the late 1960s, I'm sure AA's contracts with the design firm and Boeing probably has any premature relea
203 ckfred: The current scheme isn't retro. It's timeless. The Helvitica font is used more often today than it was, when AA starting using it on the 1970s. Somet
204 danfearn77: Just sticking 'American' titles on that would be a huge improvement . Glad a change is coming. Their 75's especially look completely ragged in the cu
205 JAAlbert: Oy vey, the conservative/tea party folks would have a fit if AA - representing the leader of the free world - took on a scheme from the communists! T
206 rampart: This would be fun to have on a 777: (source: http://yummy-yum.com/airliner-history-prop/airliner-history-prop.htm, who must have got it from somewher
207 Airport: I just wanted to chime in as the designer of this scheme: This is NOT the new livery, to clear up any confusion on the matter. This is just a student
208 ER757: One thing that's clear in that photo is that it's definitely a glossy finish, not matte as earlier photos seemed to indicate. You can see the reflect
209 DoubleDelta: Well, if it is indeed "retro," I'm assuming they'll be some sort of cheatline used? One per-observer loved the new livery and another thought it looke
211 william: You did a good job Airport. Have two questions- is the top silver like NWA silver scheme or is it gray? And is the bottom white or silver?
212 rikkus67: Well, Airport.... someone at AA must have liked the way you defined the tail! I think you can say that you at least, in a small way, INFLUENCED a par
213 YYZBound: Well...and just to be clear ... ...my source's term of "retro" may not necessarily mean homage to an earlier AA livery. He might have been alluding to
214 rgreenftm: Please seriously??? No disrespect to the designer of the livery, it is very nice and looks professional, but don't you think that AA graphic designer
215 rikkus67: Design inspiration comes from many sources. Whether or not it is a direct influence, the fact remains that the definition of the tail is the same. If
216 longhauler: That is the way I took your comments as well. Not "retro" as in a previous scheme, but more that the branding is more traditional. Namely a softer na
217 A388: Just my opinion but I think the grey tail color as it is now will remain but with the AA tail logo enlarged on the tail. I can also see enlarged "Amer
218 AeroWesty: No disrespect to the design, but I'd think in a rebranding of this scale, including blueprints having to be made to paint aircraft, etc., the design
219 PHX787: At this point it's better than the old in any way possible I don't know how it will actually look on the aircraft itself, though.
220 kanban: Going back to the tail tale.... the rudder may only be getting decals which (if identical) will weight the same or portions of a larger decal that wei
221 rj777: Then I'm assuming they couldn't possibly give us a release date?
222 YYZBound: GEEZ I got what info I could..and that took a lot of grovelling! Waterboarding would have been the next step I suppose...
223 dtw757: Is it not possible to repaint the rudder after installation? I just watched a video of a Delta 747-400 repaint from Northwest colors and the rudder wa
224 Viscount724: That's true for any color if it's not well-maintained.
225 brilondon: Are they gong to paint the wings as well?
226 777STL: I agree. I'm pretty sure whatever professionals AA is employing to design this scheme aren't going to steal ideas from a bunch of 12 year olds.....
227 BlueLine: If YYZBound's source is correct and the new livery will be "retro", I hope that the registration will be painted on the wings a la NH's livery.
228 miaami: First flight of the AA 777-300 was today. http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...ght-gray-body-with-white-tail.html
229 flightsimer: You guys do realize that this has already indeed happened in real life right? Qantas "stole" the name, logos and paint scheme of a virtual airline ca
230 TWA772LR: Then if AA did rip it off from Airport, then he could make some serious money, and bragging rights. I think I heard on a.net that there would be a ch
231 flightsimer: Not So sure. He would deffinately have had to had it copyrighted to be able to take any action...
232 DL_Mech: It depends on the airframe, some can be painted on the aircraft and some must be removed. I know the 767 requires removal, the the 727 does not.
233 Sinlock: As for the braging rights.... Those would go away in any out of court settlement.
234 ckfred: For those of you who think that that AA scheme is ugly, ask yourself this. How easy is it to tell aircraft from B6, US, UA, and DL at a distance? Pret
235 jonnyclark: As I've blogged about and mentioned in these forums before, I'm a huge fan of the American livery. To have an airline livery that hasn't changed in de
236 YYZBound: Well no. The BIGGEST failure would be if the airline actually ceases operations. But I digress...
237 jonnyclark: yes very true, but that's not what i was referring to!
238 YYZBound: Oh I know jonny! I'm just joshin' with ya! I have to say ..as a 13 yr employee with AA...I'm excited about the "reinvention". Yes I hated the concess
239 jonnyclark: I'm glad you are happy there, it's nice to see some positivity still in the airline. I, also, look forward to seeing what is just around the corner. T
240 YYZBound: I'm not saying I'm 'happy' with the overall situation...but, my attitude is such that if I choose to stay, I work with what I'm given. Because the tr
241 aa777lvr: I agree. I left AA about 2.5 years ago (for family reasons) and wish AA only the best. It's still my fAAmily (can't help myself with the double A's).
242 DocLightning: UA is pretty easy to tell from the others. Even on the PMUA colors, the blue underbelly rose high enough on the side of the fuselage that it was easy
243 Deltal1011man: maybe not 12 year olds but it looks like the person who came up with the "new" Delta stopped at a citgo on the way to work one morning... have to dis
244 DoubleDelta: LOL. I always chuckle when I hear people saying absurd things to the effect of "AA's polished bare metal is timeless." It almost seems like a poorly w
245 YYZBound: LOL ok so the polished metal livery is "timeless" Our bad reputation at AA is starting to become "timeless" too, so.... Bring on a new image!
246 scbriml: One man's "timeless classic" is another man's "old-fashioned rubbish". IMHO, the last thing the "new" AA needs is anything that pays homage to the "ol
247 Mcoov: AA has really only ever had two liveries. If it is a retro scheme that we are going to be seeing, than I think we might be going well past the 1960s a
248 ckfred: A friend of mine is an AA pilot, and he agrees with you. When the first new livery came out after the Atlanta Olympics, he thought it was somewhat bo
249 ckfred: There are two important questions. First, when is AA going to present the 773 with the new scheme? Considering that the aircraft is now in flight test
250 aacun: Maybe they unveil the new image using both the 77w and a new 738. That would be cool.
251 Inbound: This design is simply bada$$. I love it. Fingers crossed!
252 PHX787: OK so back to the topic at hand, guys Anyone got more intel on what's going on with this AA plane? Any more pictures from Matt Cawby or anyone?
253 airjamaica: Not a bad design, but it reminds me alot of AM. Personally I hope they don't change up the current AA livery too much. Maybe a little tweak yes, but
254 Viscount724: Agree. I hope it's just a minor change, much like AF did to update their classic livery from the 1970s, with a new more modern typeface, the name in
255 DocLightning: AF did not need an entire new brand identity. In fact, I don't know why they even bothered changing their livery at all, since the change was so mini
256 Viscount724: It coincided with a significant branding change with a redesigned website and other communication materials. The new typeface and swirl is much more
257 airjamaica: Agree as well. AF was the first carrier that came to my mind. I like how they just did minor tweaks to the original livery. Apart from the '' euro wh
258 DoubleDelta: Well, scruffy unpolished bare metal with a cheatline straight out the 70s... can't get too much worse than that! The only way AA's livery can get wor
259 SSTsomeday: Aren't A/C sometimes ferried with temporary American registration, to be painted and further outfitted by their foreign owners?
260 Viscount724: Read the rest of the thread. It was clarified a couple of hundred replies ago that the flag was an actual flag on a flagpole. Nothing to do with the
261 AA767400: It's a matter of opinion. You can chuckle all you want, but the truth is that the vast majority of people find AA's current livery appealing. Timeles
262 PHX787: That's what DL did and look where they are now. They redid their image, acquired NW, and became this giant successful airline.
263 SA7700: This thread has become quite long and will be locked in favor of part 2, which can be found here: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 2 Enj
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The old Northwest was metallic, the old UA was gloss, and military seems to use matte. Furthermore, I'd be surprised to see a matte paint job, unless I'm missing something about the paint itself. As a car enthusiast, I hear a lot about how much work it takes to maintain a matte paint job and keep it looking good, assuming it ever looked good. Plus, an airliner is going to see harsher environments on a regular basis, since leaving your matte black Lambo in the garage is usually an option. 
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