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BA To Use A380 On Short Haul For Training!  
User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21344 times:

BA to use A380 on short haul routes to start with for training and familiarity.

Check link below if not go to flight global.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...haul-routes-to-train-crews-377714/

Think I need to book a short haul flight for next summer  

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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 869 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21310 times:

I think it's been reported here on a-net already that LHR - MAD twice daily will be the route most likely to get the BA380.

User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21268 times:

I'm not surprised. Didn't AF do the exact same thing? CDG-LHR IIRC

Dan


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 21244 times:

Has it, apologies I did not see that report.

Have to see if the wife wants to go to Madrid next Summer  

Any there any other expected routes for short haul?


User currently offlinespeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20042 times:

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 3):
Any there any other expected routes for short haul?

I was hoping it would also do LHR-FRA-LHR.... would be a fun trip to make.



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19936 times:

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 2):
I'm not surprised. Didn't AF do the exact same thing? CDG-LHR IIRC

and even less surprised given BA did the same thing with the 777, operating LHR-CDG for several weeks during service entry



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1687 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16168 times:

I hope BA will operate it to AMS too! If LHR is closed down for some reason we tend to see a lot of BA heavies at AMS, so it might be an option to send her to AMS too 


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16103 times:

I´m sure they will fly the A380 to many stations to make some media coverage, Madrid is logical choice they will have easy acces to the T-4 using IB handling for the job, maybe in CDG and FRA getting a long haul parking will be a bit more difficult, but i´m sure they will fly them once or twice. I´m sure we will see the A380 in BCN as well...

User currently offlineThijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16044 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 6):
I hope BA will operate it to AMS too! If LHR is closed down for some reason we tend to see a lot of BA heavies at AMS, so it might be an option to send her to AMS too

That would be a nice surprise to see. But i wont count on it yet 
As RTM will be a part of the BA network as from the 9th of December this year, it would be a nice "test" to sent the A380 to a smaller regional airport :p And with a avarage turnaround time of more than 90 minutes as currently planned, there is also enough time to turnaround a A380 for these short flights. /dreammode off :p

I Think CDG or MAD are the most likely first destinations to see the A380


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 815 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14138 times:

I hope they will also think of some domestic flights too -I don't think GLA or EDI have any A380 visitors so it would be good to see it landing there. I guess MAN folk are a bit blase about the A380 with their daily EK flight so the impact of a BA flight would be less.

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13900 times:

Great, hope we will see it in Germany guess FRA and MUC are likely would hope for Berlin but this seems unlikely.

I would say MAD is a definate as well as CDG and maybe AMS



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User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13634 times:

No way they will send the A380 to AMS. Maybe one time as a stunt but that would be it. The nearest widebody (777) destinations (not the 767) are most likely to get a visit.

[Edited 2012-10-17 03:36:01]

User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13395 times:

Great news! My money is on MAD for obvious reasons, but it would be great to see them on domestic routes such as GLA and EDI.

Maybe it will replace 747s on shorter routes, maybe DME? IIRC that is only 4-5 hours. Very unlikely though as the first route would have to be multiple rotations for it to work well for crew training.

[Edited 2012-10-17 03:51:23]

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9857 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 9):
I hope they will also think of some domestic flights too -I don't think GLA or EDI have any A380 visitors so it would be good to see it landing there. I guess MAN folk are a bit blase about the A380 with their daily EK flight so the impact of a BA flight would be less.

I don't think that they would go to airports that do not have A380 gates. The familiarization flights would be to say CDG, MAD, FRA, and AMS.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8898 times:

MAD certainly is on the short-list. I would also think FRA may see it too. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out!


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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 12):
but it would be great to see them on domestic routes such as GLA and EDI.

EDI and GLA are not A380 capable. Not sure the modifications suggested for PIK have been completed.


User currently offlinedrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

The most fascinating thing about this article is what it says about Qantas' advice to have pilots be familiar with fly by wire first. Interesting peculiarity of having Boeing crews move to Airbus at the top of the chain.

Also, so some BA A320 crews may leapfrong those on long-haul Boeings in getting into the A380?


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5571 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8314 times:

Quoting drgmobile (Reply 16):
so some BA A320 crews may leapfrong those on long-haul Boeings in getting into the A380?

That's the way it seems

It isn't just QF BTW, I know EK (at least initially) moved 330/340 pilots over, leaving the 777 pilots on Boeing. I think they know draw from both fleets.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 12):
but it would be great to see them on domestic routes such as GLA and EDI.

Well you'd get it in.....


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

It's amazing how fast people get to hear of the A380 doing a route. The AF training service from LHR-CDG was packed to the doors.

Since I guess it's all about practising take-offs and landings doing LHR-MAD makes sense.

Practise does make perfect. In the old days those A380s slammed onto the runway, now they tilt gently onto the runway.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6601 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

Not at all surprising in fact I would be surprised if that wasn't the case!!
Hasn't every A380 operator so far launched their 380 services with shorthaul flights?


User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7415 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 18):

Not really sure what you mean by that...


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 21):

I think he is suggesting it couldnt be turned within current paving and infrastructure to allow it to get off the runway and allow it to ever take off again without running over grass.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 21):
Not really sure what you mean by that...

GLA is the former RNAS Sanderling, it struggles on occasion with the B77W, they've had one on the grass already. Let's just say it wasn't built with the A380 in mind  


User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6899 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23):

Got it! That's a shame in that case, not surprising as neither EDI or GLA have ever received much wide body service. Hey, maybe they will be put the A380 on LHR-MAN? There would be no quicker way to build up training and as a bonus for BA they would damage the VS upcoming service 


25 mayor : DL did the same thing with their 777s when first delivered.......I think they were doing ATL-MCO/TPA, at least but there may have been some others.
26 APYu : It won't be put on ridiculously short sectors such as AMS or MAN as the sectors need to be long enough for the cabin crew too to get used to where thi
27 Post contains images Tristarsteve : BA crews do not leapfrog. They bid for the aircraft they want to fly, and the courses are allocated on more or less seniority. There is no extra mone
28 AirbusA6 : Would it be easier for the BA 777 pilots to transfer over to the A380 than the 747 pilots, as it's also a FBW aircraft? Discounting JQ, the A380 was
29 SKAirbus : Personally I don't see the point in operating LHR to MAD. Surely the point of these flights is for staff training; for both cabin crew and flight crew
30 APYu : Its probably the perfect length. Not too long but long enough to do a drinks run, a meal service and a BA shop service. Doing all three gets the cabi
31 jfklganyc : I like how they are using narrowbody Airbus crew to fly the airplane. If that happened in the US, basically going around seniority to staff the larges
32 drgmobile : This is the way it should be
33 VV701 : There are three aspects of easing a new type into service. There is the flight crew training and familiarisation requirement where maximising the num
34 bluesky73 : I also think that LHR-FCO-LHR Is a possible route. With a A380 doing short haul will they reduce frequency and cancel one flight a day so you have the
35 BasilFawlty : Probably, but it would be ideal routes for both flight and cabin crews to do a lot of work in a very short amount of time.
36 Litz : I flew several ATL-MCO (and back) flights on that 777 ... massive airplane for that short trip. It was really funny to see it parked next to a 737 ..
37 FlySSC : Just like AF chose LHR because of the A380 Tech facilities there, just in case, I would see BA using theirs to CDG or FRA rather than MAD for the same
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