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AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013  
User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16830 times:

AA announced today their plans to hire 1500 flight attendants starting Jan 2013.

Here is an excerpt from AA announcement to its current flight attendants:

Now, on to some exciting news that I’m very happy to confirm. We’re at an interesting and rather unique juncture in regard to our flight attendant corps, because with the exception of our new Mandarin speakers hired in 2011, we will soon be able to do something that we haven’t been able to do since 2001: hire new flight attendants in November 2012! With 2,256 flight attendants electing to separate from the company via VEOP or TSP, along with our need to begin an aggressive training schedule to prepare for combined operations as well as our new Premium services, we’re planning to hire more than 1500 new flight attendants over a 12 month period. We look forward to welcoming new faces and working together to bring a fresh energy to our team, while at the same time giving current flight attendants the opportunity to move up the seniority list and many will no longer serve reserve.

To meet this goal, we have developed a “hire for fit” recruitment process that will work to identify and select candidates who can join our current flight attendants to deliver an excellent customer service experience that aligns with the new American.

Candidates will complete an online assessment that measures their personality, situational judgment and cultural fit to ensure that they can deliver an exceptional onboard experience. We’ll also be looking for some specific areas of expertise, particularly in language skills. If you know of someone, a friend or neighbor, who you think fits the bill, please let them know that we are hiring and encourage them to apply at www.aacareers.com starting November 5, 2012.


AA ORD

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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16740 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
along with our need to begin an aggressive training schedule to prepare for combined operations as well as our new Premium services

What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations? And are all F/As being up-skilled for new premium services in-flight?

Nice for the current crew to move up the seniority list I imagine!


User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16730 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
to prepare for combined operations

Merger?



No info
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16721 times:

Nice news indeed. Thanks for sharing.

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
We’ll also be looking for some specific areas of expertise, particularly in language skills.

I personally will be interested to see which languages in particular they are looking for.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations?

PBS?

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
And are all F/As being up-skilled for new premium services in-flight?

Is this referring to the new 777s?


User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16728 times:

I thought the Minister of Flight Attendants, the Aluminum Lady, said they were trying to get rid of flight attendants.

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16728 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations?
Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 2):
Merger?

This means that FA crew bases will no longer be segregated between domestic and international (over-water) operations.



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User currently offlinedcann40 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16703 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations?

Combined bases (like JFK and LGA) so cabin crew can fly any route, domestic or international.


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16677 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations?

ALL domestic fa's that are subject to reserve will be required to become intl trained. Starting in Nov 2012 through Dec 2013, AA will train approx. 440 domestic fa's A MONTH on the international operation. Training is minimum 11 days up to 18 days depending on current aircraft qualifications. Eventually, ALL AA fa's will be trained international

AA ORD


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16646 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Is this referring to the new 777s?

All current international fa's are required to attend IPE training.. International Premium Experience. Rolling out Dec 2, AA will enhance their premium service for both business and f/c international service..

AA ORD


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16460 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 7):
ALL domestic fa's that are subject to reserve will be required to become intl trained. Starting in Nov 2012 through Dec 2013, AA will train approx. 440 domestic fa's A MONTH on the international operation. Training is minimum 11 days up to 18 days depending on current aircraft qualifications. Eventually, ALL AA fa's will be trained international

Are there two categories international and domestic or is it domestic reserve and international/domestic? Are all international FAs already currently domestically trained? If not what is the break down of international to domestic FAs, how does one move between the categories or is it all seniority? Does AA have a senior FA position on-board the aircraft (PSS, IFM, CSS, CSM, Purser) or is it simply the most senior crew member of the day?

So many questions, forgive me I find it very interesting the comparisons between American carriers, Asian, Middle-Eastern and Aussie ones!

I would imagine having one pool of FAs would result in significant cost reductions for the company and stream line proccess!

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 8):
All current international fa's are required to attend IPE training.. International Premium Experience. Rolling out Dec 2, AA will enhance their premium service for both business and f/c international service..

Interesting, sounds like a positive change! How long does the course go for? I wonder what will be covered?


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16377 times:

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Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Are there two categories international and domestic or is it domestic reserve and international/domestic?

Currently there are 2 divisions... domestic and international.. Each division has their own reserve pool.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Are all international FAs already currently domestically trained?

Yes

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
how does one move between the categories or is it all seniority

Yes, when there are openings at a particular international base, there is a proffer which is open to all flight attendans system wide. Once the dom/intl operations are merged, any fa will be able to bid any trip. It will all be seniority based at that point.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Does AA have a senior FA position on-board the aircraft

Yes, on all international flights, there is a purser position. Also, all domestic wide body aircraft are also staffed with a purser.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
How long does the course go for?

This course is currently being offered to all international flight attendants. It is an enhancement course which is 1 day (8 hrs) enhancement class. The enchancements to international first/business class will begin Dec. 2

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
I would imagine having one pool of FAs would result in significant cost reductions for the company and stream line proccess!

This is the company objective. Current domestic flight attendants will begin 2 week intl training in November and AA will training approx 440 domestic flight attendant a month through 2013.

AA ORD

[Edited 2012-10-16 21:40:22]

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16342 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
giving current flight attendants the opportunity to move up the seniority list and many will no longer serve reserve.

How does reserve at AA work? Is it that there have been FAs sitting around for 10 years waiting for a phone call, or do they do one month on reserve and then one month active?

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 7):
ALL domestic fa's that are subject to reserve will be required to become intl trained.

Am I right in thinking that this brings them into line with DL and US? Does sUA have separate intl and dom crews? I'm pretty sure that sCO does, but I'm sure that UA is looking for an integrated list under the common contract.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2276 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16293 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Are there two categories international and domestic or is it domestic reserve and international/domestic? Are all international FAs already currently domestically trained? If not what is the break down of international to domestic FAs, how does one move between the categories or is it all seniority? Does AA have a senior FA position on-board the aircraft (PSS, IFM, CSS, CSM, Purser) or is it simply the most senior crew member of the day?

Lots of questions indeed, but I'll tackle 'em for ya!

First, the only difference between domestic and international flight attendants is international flight attendants hold an overwater qualification, meaning they're trained in ditching procedures. Domestic flight attendants are not currently trained for overwater duty. We are currently segregated, but if staffing requires international flight attendants will sometimes get a domestic trip on reserve, but a domestic flight attendant (currently) would never get an international trip. As more and more domestic flight attendants are trained in overwater procedures, scheduling will begin to utilize them on international trips only if staffing is short. Once preferential bidding, or PBS, becomes effective (late 2013, early 2014) all flight attendants will be trained for overwater flights and can bid both overwater and non-overwater trips. There will no longer be an "international" and "domestic" pool of flight attendants... we'll al be combined.

American has Pursers onboard all overwater flights, and on domestic widebody flights. The position is a bid position, but you must hold the Purser qualification in order to bid it. You become Purser qualified by proffering for it when there are openings, and your seniority dictates whether you hold the proffer. Once you successfully hold the proffer, you then must go through a screening process to ensure you have the right disposition and skills for the job. Not everyone who holds the proffer becomes a Purser. Once you hold the Purser qualification, you bid for the position, like any other. Unlike some airlines, when we bid our schedule we not only bid our line (an entire month's worth of trips), but we also bid for the position we'll be working on those trips.

As for the new International Premium Experience (IPE), which begins December 2, all overwater qualified flight attendants must attend a one day training to learn the new procedures. If the new IPE qualification is not obtained by December, those flight attendants will not be able to bid International Flagship Service trips (Europe, deep South America, Asia) beginning in December. All domestic flight attendants will receive the IPE training when they get their overwater qualification.



The views expressed are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect my employer’s views.
User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 557 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16296 times:

It'd be difficult for an airline the scale of AA, and while I'm sure their FAs are well trained for emergencies, they need to have more consistency when it comes to service. Perhaps if the training course could features some modules specifically on service.. like responding to requests from pax and on serving meals etc

User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16276 times:

Not all AA FA's are currently certified on all ac types which complicates their operations even more but that's all changing.


My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2276 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16265 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
How does reserve at AA work? Is it that there have been FAs sitting around for 10 years waiting for a phone call, or do they do one month on reserve and then one month active?

For the first three years, reserve is one month on, one month off. Once you complete three years, reserve is one month on, three months off, until you can hold off reserve. That will not be the case with new hires though. They'll see 3-6 reserve days every month, similar to DL's reserve system of 'A' days.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
Am I right in thinking that this brings them into line with DL and US? Does sUA have separate intl and dom crews? I'm pretty sure that sCO does, but I'm sure that UA is looking for an integrated list under the common contract.

UA has combined ops, but I'm not sure about CO.



The views expressed are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect my employer’s views.
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16235 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 15):
For the first three years, reserve is one month on, one month off. Once you complete three years, reserve is one month on, three months off, until you can hold off reserve.

Thanks for that. Given that everyone has at least 11 years seniority then I'm guessing that reserve runs pretty high up the seniority list if "junior" FAs are on reserve 25% of the time?

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 15):
They'll see 3-6 reserve days every month, similar to DL's reserve system of 'A' days.

That's always struck me as fairer as it allows for better financial certainty



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User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16193 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
Thanks for that. Given that everyone has at least 11 years seniority then I'm guessing that reserve runs pretty high up the seniority list if "junior" FAs are on reserve 25% of the time?

Domestic reserve is up to 23 years at some bases. Intl varies by base but some intl bases (lax) is even more senior.

AA ORD


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13011 posts, RR: 100
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16152 times:
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Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
we will soon be able to do something that we haven’t been able to do since 2001

AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.  
Quoting usflyguy (Reply 14):

Not all AA FA's are currently certified on all ac types which complicates their operations even more but that's all changing.

How is it changing? I'm curious. Will the F/As be like DL and certified for all types or is there another system?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16138 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.

2001? What does that mean?


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16130 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 12):
First, the only difference between domestic and international flight attendants is international flight attendants hold an overwater qualification, meaning they're trained in ditching procedures. Domestic flight attendants are not currently trained for overwater duty.

Domestic FAs aren't trained in ditching!?! What happens with airports with water near by? Like the US flight in the hudson?


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16111 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
How is it changing? I'm curious. Will the F/As be like DL and certified for all types or is there another system?


Iniitally, all fa's will be qualified on domestic and international operations. Eventually, all fa's will be qualified on all equipment.

Quoting skycub (Reply 19):
2001? What does that mean?

2001 was the last year that flight attendants were hired, with the exception of a small number of Mandarin speakers.

AA ORD


User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16103 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 21):

2001 was the last year that flight attendants were hired, with the exception of a small number of Mandarin speakers.

No... I understand that. I am aware of the fact that AA had training classes going on up and through 9/11.

I was questioning:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):

AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.


User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16086 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 22):
No... I understand that. I am aware of the fact that AA had training classes going on up and through 9/11.

I was questioning:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.

Sarcasm.

AA ORD


User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16071 times:

Who would want to work for them is my question. I am ex NWA and lost my 17 years with them as a mechanic and even I am glad I never went to work for AA. On the mechanic side they are pathetic. Their union sucks and they have taken concessions as long as I can remember and I started in this industry in the early 80's. I am sure the F/A's are not fairing much better.

[Edited 2012-10-16 22:37:49]


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25 skycub : In the United States there is a different level of "ditching" training. There is the, I hate to call it "basic" ditching training (but that is what i
26 jacobcal : Can anyone actually recall the last time AA hired flight attendants? This company needs a breathe of life injected into its flight attendant group. Go
27 skycub : AA was actively hiring flight attendants through 2001. They actually had a class going through training when the horrific events of 9/11 took place. I
28 dcann40 : Not that long ago - it was 2011.
29 skycub : 2011? Just last year, huh? Not according to my information.
30 Post contains images lightsaber : The meant it was a joke. Lightsaber
31 RyanairGuru : Skycub, if you reread the OP it says they hired Mandarin speakers in 2011. Does this Summer 01 hiring mean that they were hiring off the street AND in
32 flyfree727 : Yes. AA was hiring and doing integrating training at the same time. TWA had seniority date of Apr 2001. So all those hired between Apr 2001 and Sep 2
33 caliboy78 : So what's the average monthly income including all per diem, language, etc for an AA flight attendant (or new hire)
34 daron4000 : Surprised no one has asked this yet but have you or anyone you know attended the IPE training yet? What does it entail and are there any improvements
35 CONTACREW : At sCO our Newark & Houston FA bases are subdivided into International, Domestic & Speaker. But that don't mean FAs can't work a certain flig
36 brilondon : I fly often on international flights but did not realize that there are specialized roles for the FA's. What are the differences between domestic and
37 flygbear : I don't buy it, other than AA having enough FA's on reserve to eventually doing something to eliminate senior, much higher paid FA versus the new-hire
38 Post contains images allegiantflyer : It sounds like AA wants to replace all the old Senior mamas with younger ones
39 delta2ual : I'm glad to see them hiring. Being a flight attendant for 15 years was one of the best things I ever did. But, I was 22 years old when I started. That
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