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Breaking News: Taca A321 Out Of The Runway At SJO  
User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17766 times:

Just now on the news: A TACA A321 out of the runway in San Jose, Costa Rica. The flight was LACSA 621 arriving at SJO from SAL and YYZ. Visibility is poor in SJO at this time and it is raining like hell. Link just in Spanish at this time:

http://telenoticias7.com/detalle_nac...rto-Juan-Santamar%C3%ADa&id=148658


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User currently offlinetomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17723 times:

Negative... A/C did not overrun the RWY by only a few meters. Here a couple of pics from FB, sources unknown:

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/156665_478815078824915_1553450564_n.jpg

N566TA opr LR621 SAL-SJO. Airport currently closed til 0000z or later depending on work getting the AC off the RWY.

Rgds,
Tomas @ SJO.


User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17562 times:

Thanks God no one is hurt, passengers and crew ok! The captain is a good friend of mine! Thanks for posting the pics!

[Edited 2012-10-18 16:00:15]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16855 times:

I wonder if there were any spotters hanging out at La Candela at the time of the incident.. or if the Telenoticias traffic camera at the highway intersection northeast of the airport was facing the runway and caught anything.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16679 times:

http://avherald.com/h?article=457a5055&opt=0

"pirouetted" says AvHearald. They're getting really cheesy with their accident descriptions.



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User currently offlineAdrianYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16414 times:

My younger bro was on that flight with a bunch of his friends and this is what he said happened:

"'So we arrived a little while ago in San Jose. We're all safe but we had a borderline crash landing. The brakes failed on the landing and the pilot had to crank the wheels sideways in order to stop the plane. The front and side tires blew out, but the pilot managed to keep us from sliding off the runway. They closed the airport for an investigation now. We'e about to go get our stuff and go through customs. Needless to say our adventure trip has started up in full force lol."'

I'm glad that there were no injuries and that it wasn't worse.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16050 times:

Whats the official version of the event.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15396 times:

I doubt the brakes failed or the outcome wouldn't be so benign. Maybe the anti-skid failed, rather ?


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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15130 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
I doubt the brakes failed or the outcome wouldn't be so benign. Maybe the anti-skid failed, rather ?

Now for some reason the TAM accident in Cogonhas comes to mind... the runway was wet, maybe the anti-skid made a bad play?



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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14305 times:

Hey, good a*net sources here: a good friend of the captain, someone trained by the copilot, and someone whose son was on the flight. Let's get to the bottom of this!  

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9852 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14221 times:

Quoting AdrianYYZ (Reply 5):
The brakes failed on the landing and the pilot had to crank the wheels sideways in order to stop the plane.

Crank the wheels sideways? Were they driving in a car? 

A388


User currently offline4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14126 times:
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Wow! It looks serious! Not ...... Yes thank god no one was hurt but it's not "out of the runway." Just a little incident.


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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12691 times:

Strange things can happen on a wet runway if the anti-skid fails or strong control inputs are made.

Back about 40 years ago (1973), we had an EA-3B Skywarrior come off the runway at NAS Cubi Point in an extremely heavy rain storm.

The tower, nor any known witnesses, saw it happen due to the rain, but the plane ended up with the drag chute drapped across the nose and refueling probe. The plane was pointed in the right direction when it stopped, but was about 20 feet parallel to the runway on the right.

The AMH2 found that the anti-skid had failed on the right main gear. Interestingly it did not blow any tires.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12615 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 12):
Crank the wheels sideways? Were they driving in a car?

They used the handbrake, wanting to see if it would drift !



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User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12322 times:

Captain Bruno is one of the best and most experienced captains at LACSA. Other pilots and flight attendants at the SJO Hub made public comments on Facebook thanking God no one was hurt, and for him to be the PIC of this flight, because of his high skills and knowledge on the Airbus fleet, which he has flown for years now.

For all of us who have flown into SJO in our rainy season (May through November), we just know how tricky it gets to get in, especially in the afternoons, between the massive rain fall and thunderstorms, and the poor visibility because of the intense fog! This incident however looked like a mechanical failure on landing, although the runway was wet and it was raining like hell at the moment of the touch down! The crew had left SAL for a bigger A321, and continued flight LR621 into SJO.

As a Costarican, a pilot, and a TACA frequent flier myself, I share the comments on Facebook about Captain Bruno and all other LACSA pilots' great skills and knowledge, which prevented yesterday an accident of bigger consequences, like the ones in Tegucigalpa and Sao Paulo! Good job guys!

[Edited 2012-10-19 08:14:28]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting tomascubero (Reply 8):
seems like brake failure and subsequent tire bursting
Quoting CRFLY (Reply 17):
looked like a mechanical failure on landing

Given that I neither have the appropriate background (my field of expertise is real estate and law) nor all the facts, it could be overly audacious to argue with two pilots (not that your relationship to the cockpit crew necessarily disqualifies your arguments) but I have to agree with the following statement..

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 15):
Strange things can happen on a wet runway if the anti-skid fails or strong control inputs are made

Apparently there was some serious hydroplaning going on yesterday.. La Nación quoted an Air Surveillance Service (the Ministry of Public Security operates a permanent facility on airport grounds) pilot as saying that al parecer, la nave realizó un hidroplaneo. “Como la pista está mojada, el contacto de las llantas con el pavimento se hace más difícil”, explicó — fact is, hydroplaning can delay wheel spin–up, and the anti–skid system needs wheel speed to be activated.

Per the A318/A319/A320/A321 FCTM (NO-160. P 6/12) the A/BRAKE provides a symmetrical brake pressure application which ensures an equal braking effect on both main landing gear wheels on wet or evenly contaminated runway. More particularly, the A/BRAKE is recommended on short, wet, contaminated runway, in poor visibility conditions — however, my understanding is that releasing the brakes (taking over from the autobrake) actually helps regain traction (and reduces slip) by allowing the wheels to spin freely, thus making it easier to stay *on* the runway.

On a side note, it would be reassuring to have a third party —other than AERIS— evaluate the runway surface (macrotexture) condition to see whether it still meets the required friction levels.. we cannot rule out MOPT has somehow overlooked or neglected this important operational safety aspect, considering their nightmarish track record of incompetence.



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User currently offlineav757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6782 times:
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My personal speculation on what could have happened during this incident on landing at MROC having personal knowledge and experience landing there in those reigning meteorological conditions with a heavy downpour, strong gusting crosswinds on the runway can induce weather vaning of the long fuselage A321 due to hydroplaning of the main landing wheels while normal auto braking and anti skid system are operating when normal reverse thrust is being applied after touchdown to stop the airplane on a flooded and slippery runway.


Regards:
AV757


User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

Quoting av757 (Reply 19):
strong gusting crosswinds

METAR data suggest the crosswind component for runway 07 was 1 knot at 2100Z and 4 knots by 2200Z.

Quoting av757 (Reply 19):
weather vaning of the long fuselage

Notice the pax quoted above describing (in his own vernacular) what he perceived as the pilot having to "crank the wheels sideways in order to stop the plane" while it drifted almost perpendicular to its direction of motion.

[Edited 2012-10-19 16:24:28]


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User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

The plane involved in yesterday's incident, N566TA was ferried today to SAL as flight LR9670 at 615am... Now I guess Aeroman in SAL is in charge of the repairs (if there is any) and to identify the possible cause of the incident! Best regards to all!


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 11):
Hey, good a*net sources here

true........provided all three statements corelate....



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 21):
The plane involved in yesterday's incident, N566TA was ferried today to SAL as flight LR9670 at 615am

They wasted no time. It took airport crews much longer than that to clean up all the remaining burst tire debris. 

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 21):
Now I guess Aeroman in SAL is in charge of the repairs (if there is any) and to identify the possible cause of the incident!

Had this incident occured within United States jurisdiction, the NTSB would have done a thorough investigation (which typically takes several weeks) and issued a number of safety recommendations. This being the happiest country on Earth, however, we rely on the airline's maintenance subsidiary to "identify the possible cause of the incident" while the local DGAC sits on its rear end.

[Edited 2012-10-21 12:20:09]


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