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Will Delta Add More Destinations To DUS?  
User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

Myself being a frequent Trans-Atlantic flyer into DUS, I was wondering if Delta (or any other US-Airline) will offer new routes into DUS.

When I flew Pre-9/11 into DUS, I had many options, including a DC-10 to EWR with UA or a 762 (I think...) to ORD with AA. I flew SAT-DTW-DUS when Northwest came out with the route. Although the route lasted only 2 years, the B752 was completely packed whenever I flew the flight.

Since Northwest is now Delta, I was wondering (hoping) if DTW-DUS would ever come back? DTW was such a better connecting airport than ATL is....


Darius Bieber
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User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

Would love to see it, the auto industry should be able to support the business end of it and if they did it in the summer like FCO im sure it would be over 80% Daily. DTW-DUS Summer 2013 bring it on =)

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8274 times:

I know AB was doing a lot of expanding out of DUS with various routes along the states. No reason why they wouldn't start new routes.

As for the DL route, I'm sure it will come back sometime, especially with the auto industry beginning to have somewhat of an upswing. A 763 would do this route good justice.



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

The problem is that DL has a decent amount of capacity (764) on DTW-FRA. I'm sure that a DTW-DUS flight would cannibalize some of that traffic. How much O&D demand is there between Detroit and Frankfurt compared to Detroit and Dusseldorf/North Rhine-Westphalia?


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

They could pick up some O&D to and from DUS from the eastern Netherlands, too......easier for some of them to fly out of there rather than AMS.


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User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7812 times:

It would be fantastic for DUS get more service to the States. In a seperate thread I suggested LH into PHL. The majority of posters didn't think it would work and if a route to PHL was started US would be a better candidate using one of their TATL 757s.

I'm not sure if AB is currently in the financial position to start a new route to the States. If they do most likey to Chicago where they can codeshare with AA and gain a lot of feed on that side.

DL appears to be doing well with their ATL route so it seems their brand is not unfamiliar in this part of Germany. However, as already pointed out starting DTW could harm their FRA-DTW loads. Perhaps a 757 as in the old NW days would be an option. In any event I would really welcome a new destination to the States from DUS.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
How much O&D demand is there between Detroit and Frankfurt compared to Detroit and Dusseldorf/North Rhine-Westphalia?

well,, there is an automotive cluster around Frankfurt which generates a lot of traffic to DTW and not only there. Besides the ailing GM affiliate Opel, we have a number of Japanese and Korean importers with their German HQ, German suppliers plus universities focusing on engieering.

On top of that comes the connectivity FRA offers.

Lost of that applies to DUS as well, with Ford in Cologne, a Daimler van assembly, suppliers in that region, Mazda in Leverkusen.

But then , DUS is 90 minutes by train from FRA and about the same by car,



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User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
But then , DUS is 90 minutes by train from FRA and about the same by car,

That is true, but it is a lot quicker to get through the Bundespolizei Pass Kontrolle in DUS than it is in FRA.



Darius Bieber
User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 479 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

Quoting DariusBieber (Thread starter):
Myself being a frequent Trans-Atlantic flyer into DUS, I was wondering if Delta (or any other US-Airline) will offer new routes into DUS.

I will say yes, you'll see a new DUS service from a US legacy for S13.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
I'm sure that a DTW-DUS flight would cannibalize some of that traffic.

So folks would rather not fly out of DUS and instead drive to an airport that's 3 hours away? Yah right!


User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 8):
I will say yes, you'll see a new DUS service from a US legacy for S13.

And what service do you expect that will be?


User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7148 times:
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I doubt youll see any new DL service to DUS. It is a StarAlliance hub.

User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

DL to DTW would be really nice.
It would make flying to the northern parts of the US and the entire Midwest way more attractive. Even destinations like DEN would require at least 90 minutes or less travel time.



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User currently offlinecrj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6462 times:

People clamoring for more 752 service over the pond. Now I've seen everything

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

I dont see it happening. Using highspeed rail Dusseldorf is just over 2 hours from Amsterdam.


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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 14):
I dont see it happening. Using highspeed rail Dusseldorf is just over 2 hours from Amsterdam.

So why do airlines fly into BRU and AMS, when they're just under 2 hours from each other via rail? Same goes with Paris and London?
Logic fail!

DUS is the largest intercontinental airport in the second largest metropolitan area of Germany (Dusseldorf-Cologne-Bonn-Essen-Dortmund). If the potential exists, then go for it. Frankly, given the sizable hub that AB has there and their presence in One World, AA isn't flying there from ORD or DFW (AB flies to JFK and MIA already).


User currently offlinecivetfive From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

I personally think we'll see expanded services between DUS-Asia and DUS-MIddle East before we see any substantial increase in DUS-USA flights. The USA-European market is largley mature, and there simply aren't many city pairs with O&D that aren't currently being serviced through an existing nonstop or with onestop, megahub service.

User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

Well, Air China has recently started non-stop service to PEK from DUS.
I still don't understand why there still isn't a flight to NRT again though.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 11):
I doubt youll see any new DL service to DUS. It is a StarAlliance hub.

Again with this type of comment. DL is not StarAlliance and is precisely why they should go into the market and i think from DTW (Hate the 757 for TA but thats another story). Theres always one person who says oh no its blah blah blahs hub as if that should deter any other airline from trying to compete. Airlines are part of alliances i get that but we cant let this stifle competition so badly that major cities are one alliance turf...


User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 479 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 15):
DUS is the largest intercontinental airport in the second largest metropolitan area of Germany (Dusseldorf-Cologne-Bonn-Essen-Dortmund). If the potential exists, then go for it. Frankly, given the sizable hub that AB has there and their presence in One World, AA isn't flying there from ORD or DFW (AB flies to JFK and MIA already).

Reference my other post and you have a winner.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 11):
It is a StarAlliance hub.

Really? Since the biggest carrier out of there (AB) happens to be part of One World?


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 20):
Really? Since the biggest carrier out of there (AB) happens to be part of One World?

With the new Etihad/Air France developments regarding AB, I would not be surprised to see another DL flight, just saying.  



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

I believe AC or LH has nonstop into DUS from YYZ but I think it may be seasonal.

User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

DUS? Nah. And DL has been cutting international routes like crazy.

[Edited 2012-10-19 18:54:30]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24906 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 22):
I believe AC or LH has nonstop into DUS from YYZ but I think it may be seasonal.

LH has seasonal service YYZ-DUS about 3 x week. I think it's April-September.


25 DariusBieber : Correct, during the winter months I believe they send that aircraft to MIA.
26 Deltal1011man : If Delta starts any new Germany routes it will be from JFK or ATL(BER) You guys are funny....DTW-DUS over JFK-DUS. That would pretty much mean a comp
27 burnsie28 : Keep in mind that NW flew DTW-FRA with a 333 (298) seats compared to the 246 on the 764. NW also at one time operated two flights a day to FRA 1x 333
28 Deltal1011man : NW also didn't have two other flights to FRA....
29 FI642 : CO used to fly a DC-10 from EWR to DUS. Great flight, loved taking it. I go to FMO from there, so AMS is also an option. The train is so easy to take
30 mhkansan : AB is starting BER-ORD. I'm sure that if ORD works as well as I know it will for them, they'll bump it up to daily and perhaps add a few weekly frequ
31 Post contains images jcwr56 : You will get your wish.
32 LJ : This is not entirely correct. Many international airlines (from outside Europe) fly to AMS but don't fly to BRU whereas the opposite also occurs (i.e
33 ushermittwoch : NH actually has a dedicated shuttle to FRA from Düsseldorf. Thus, I am always surprised that they cannot seem to get DUS to work for them. Maybe with
34 DeltAirlines : Also for next summer, the 75E fleet is being pretty well stretched out now that SEA-JFK is getting four round-trips on them a day. There's nowhere ne
35 Post contains images cgnnrw : Unfortunately I don't see DL starting a DUS-JFK service in the near future. The NYC market is already well served by AB into JFK and LH going to EWR.
36 DeltAirlines : Agree with this. There aren't that many out there in the system yet and there are other markets that are more of a priority from a competitive busine
37 burnsie28 : Except DL hasn't even done that, JFK-Europe has been declining, and with no signs of their economy getting better I can't imagine anything changing.
38 DeltAirlines : Well the strategy for now seems to be focus on getting passengers to Amsterdam and/or Paris and spread over Europe from there, with the major markets
39 vfw614 : AA served ORD-DUS for many years, so a return now that oneworld - through AB - will provide significant feed at the German end makes sense. It is also
40 PanHAM : with the uncertainty of whether AB stays in OW or defects to Skyteam i doubt that AA, especially in the present situation they are in themselves, woul
41 brilondon : Can't argue with what is said here with the EU being in such a mess economically with even Germany starting to feel the pinch, I don't foresee any gr
42 Andie007 : There we go. It's AA who's coming back to DUS shortly...
43 vfw614 : According to airlineroute: Chicago – Dusseldorf eff 11APR13 AA242/1 ORD1700 – 0815 DUS 1210 – 1420 ORD 763 D
44 cgnnrw : Well that's nice to learn DUS will be seeing a new int'l tail. Times are resonable and with help from AB connections this just may proof to be a winn
45 DariusBieber : The times of the AA flights from DUS are a lot more convenient than Delta's. In fact, I may switch going with AA rather than LH or DL, if it were not
46 mhkansan : Wow... You weren't kidding. Who are you and what do you know about the new AA livery!!? ""if it were not for their treatment of passengers."" Its hit
47 DariusBieber : Ah that's good to know. Living in San Antonio, I always took routes through DFW and haven't been to ORD with AA in the recent past.
48 civetfive : and I eat my own words
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