DariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 128 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7294 times:
Myself being a frequent Trans-Atlantic flyer into DUS, I was wondering if Delta (or any other US-Airline) will offer new routes into DUS.
When I flew Pre-9/11 into DUS, I had many options, including a DC-10 to EWR with UA or a 762 (I think...) to ORD with AA. I flew SAT-DTW-DUS when Northwest came out with the route. Although the route lasted only 2 years, the B752 was completely packed whenever I flew the flight.
Since Northwest is now Delta, I was wondering (hoping) if DTW-DUS would ever come back? DTW was such a better connecting airport than ATL is....
NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7202 times:
Would love to see it, the auto industry should be able to support the business end of it and if they did it in the summer like FCO im sure it would be over 80% Daily. DTW-DUS Summer 2013 bring it on =)
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4956 posts, RR: 14 Reply 2, posted (7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7151 times:
I know AB was doing a lot of expanding out of DUS with various routes along the states. No reason why they wouldn't start new routes.
As for the DL route, I'm sure it will come back sometime, especially with the auto industry beginning to have somewhat of an upswing. A 763 would do this route good justice.
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 624 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7029 times:
The problem is that DL has a decent amount of capacity (764) on DTW-FRA. I'm sure that a DTW-DUS flight would cannibalize some of that traffic. How much O&D demand is there between Detroit and Frankfurt compared to Detroit and Dusseldorf/North Rhine-Westphalia?
SFO LAX ONT DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT PHL LGA JFK KEF LHR LGW MAD
cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1076 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6689 times:
It would be fantastic for DUS get more service to the States. In a seperate thread I suggested LH into PHL. The majority of posters didn't think it would work and if a route to PHL was started US would be a better candidate using one of their TATL 757s.
I'm not sure if AB is currently in the financial position to start a new route to the States. If they do most likey to Chicago where they can codeshare with AA and gain a lot of feed on that side.
DL appears to be doing well with their ATL route so it seems their brand is not unfamiliar in this part of Germany. However, as already pointed out starting DTW could harm their FRA-DTW loads. Perhaps a 757 as in the old NW days would be an option. In any event I would really welcome a new destination to the States from DUS.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7763 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6647 times:
Quoting FSDan (Reply 3): How much O&D demand is there between Detroit and Frankfurt compared to Detroit and Dusseldorf/North Rhine-Westphalia?
well,, there is an automotive cluster around Frankfurt which generates a lot of traffic to DTW and not only there. Besides the ailing GM affiliate Opel, we have a number of Japanese and Korean importers with their German HQ, German suppliers plus universities focusing on engieering.
On top of that comes the connectivity FRA offers.
Lost of that applies to DUS as well, with Ford in Cologne, a Daimler van assembly, suppliers in that region, Mazda in Leverkusen.
But then , DUS is 90 minutes by train from FRA and about the same by car,
jcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6456 times:
Quoting DariusBieber (Thread starter): Myself being a frequent Trans-Atlantic flyer into DUS, I was wondering if Delta (or any other US-Airline) will offer new routes into DUS.
I will say yes, you'll see a new DUS service from a US legacy for S13.
ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2888 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5983 times:
DL to DTW would be really nice.
It would make flying to the northern parts of the US and the entire Midwest way more attractive. Even destinations like DEN would require at least 90 minutes or less travel time.
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4857 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 14): I dont see it happening. Using highspeed rail Dusseldorf is just over 2 hours from Amsterdam.
So why do airlines fly into BRU and AMS, when they're just under 2 hours from each other via rail? Same goes with Paris and London?
Logic fail!
DUS is the largest intercontinental airport in the second largest metropolitan area of Germany (Dusseldorf-Cologne-Bonn-Essen-Dortmund). If the potential exists, then go for it. Frankly, given the sizable hub that AB has there and their presence in One World, AA isn't flying there from ORD or DFW (AB flies to JFK and MIA already).
civetfive From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 31 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4437 times:
I personally think we'll see expanded services between DUS-Asia and DUS-MIddle East before we see any substantial increase in DUS-USA flights. The USA-European market is largley mature, and there simply aren't many city pairs with O&D that aren't currently being serviced through an existing nonstop or with onestop, megahub service.
NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4068 times:
Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 11): I doubt youll see any new DL service to DUS. It is a StarAlliance hub.
Again with this type of comment. DL is not StarAlliance and is precisely why they should go into the market and i think from DTW (Hate the 757 for TA but thats another story). Theres always one person who says oh no its blah blah blahs hub as if that should deter any other airline from trying to compete. Airlines are part of alliances i get that but we cant let this stifle competition so badly that major cities are one alliance turf...
jcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3851 times:
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 15): DUS is the largest intercontinental airport in the second largest metropolitan area of Germany (Dusseldorf-Cologne-Bonn-Essen-Dortmund). If the potential exists, then go for it. Frankly, given the sizable hub that AB has there and their presence in One World, AA isn't flying there from ORD or DFW (AB flies to JFK and MIA already).
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 24, posted (7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3300 times:
Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 22): I believe AC or LH has nonstop into DUS from YYZ but I think it may be seasonal.
LH has seasonal service YYZ-DUS about 3 x week. I think it's April-September.
25 DariusBieber: Correct, during the winter months I believe they send that aircraft to MIA.
26 Deltal1011man: If Delta starts any new Germany routes it will be from JFK or ATL(BER) You guys are funny....DTW-DUS over JFK-DUS. That would pretty much mean a comp
27 burnsie28: Keep in mind that NW flew DTW-FRA with a 333 (298) seats compared to the 246 on the 764. NW also at one time operated two flights a day to FRA 1x 333
28 Deltal1011man: NW also didn't have two other flights to FRA....
29 FI642: CO used to fly a DC-10 from EWR to DUS. Great flight, loved taking it. I go to FMO from there, so AMS is also an option. The train is so easy to take
30 mhkansan: AB is starting BER-ORD. I'm sure that if ORD works as well as I know it will for them, they'll bump it up to daily and perhaps add a few weekly frequ
32 LJ: This is not entirely correct. Many international airlines (from outside Europe) fly to AMS but don't fly to BRU whereas the opposite also occurs (i.e
33 ushermittwoch: NH actually has a dedicated shuttle to FRA from Düsseldorf. Thus, I am always surprised that they cannot seem to get DUS to work for them. Maybe with
34 DeltAirlines: Also for next summer, the 75E fleet is being pretty well stretched out now that SEA-JFK is getting four round-trips on them a day. There's nowhere ne
35 cgnnrw: Unfortunately I don't see DL starting a DUS-JFK service in the near future. The NYC market is already well served by AB into JFK and LH going to EWR.
36 DeltAirlines: Agree with this. There aren't that many out there in the system yet and there are other markets that are more of a priority from a competitive busine
37 burnsie28: Except DL hasn't even done that, JFK-Europe has been declining, and with no signs of their economy getting better I can't imagine anything changing.
38 DeltAirlines: Well the strategy for now seems to be focus on getting passengers to Amsterdam and/or Paris and spread over Europe from there, with the major markets
39 vfw614: AA served ORD-DUS for many years, so a return now that oneworld - through AB - will provide significant feed at the German end makes sense. It is also
40 PanHAM: with the uncertainty of whether AB stays in OW or defects to Skyteam i doubt that AA, especially in the present situation they are in themselves, woul
41 brilondon: Can't argue with what is said here with the EU being in such a mess economically with even Germany starting to feel the pinch, I don't foresee any gr
42 Andie007: There we go. It's AA who's coming back to DUS shortly...
43 vfw614: According to airlineroute: Chicago – Dusseldorf eff 11APR13 AA242/1 ORD1700 – 0815 DUS 1210 – 1420 ORD 763 D
44 cgnnrw: Well that's nice to learn DUS will be seeing a new int'l tail. Times are resonable and with help from AB connections this just may proof to be a winn
45 DariusBieber: The times of the AA flights from DUS are a lot more convenient than Delta's. In fact, I may switch going with AA rather than LH or DL, if it were not
46 mhkansan: Wow... You weren't kidding. Who are you and what do you know about the new AA livery!!? ""if it were not for their treatment of passengers."" Its hit
47 DariusBieber: Ah that's good to know. Living in San Antonio, I always took routes through DFW and haven't been to ORD with AA in the recent past.
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