DariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 172 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7819 times:
Myself being a frequent Trans-Atlantic flyer into DUS, I was wondering if Delta (or any other US-Airline) will offer new routes into DUS.
When I flew Pre-9/11 into DUS, I had many options, including a DC-10 to EWR with UA or a 762 (I think...) to ORD with AA. I flew SAT-DTW-DUS when Northwest came out with the route. Although the route lasted only 2 years, the B752 was completely packed whenever I flew the flight.
Since Northwest is now Delta, I was wondering (hoping) if DTW-DUS would ever come back? DTW was such a better connecting airport than ATL is....
NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7727 times:
Would love to see it, the auto industry should be able to support the business end of it and if they did it in the summer like FCO im sure it would be over 80% Daily. DTW-DUS Summer 2013 bring it on =)
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 697 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7554 times:
The problem is that DL has a decent amount of capacity (764) on DTW-FRA. I'm sure that a DTW-DUS flight would cannibalize some of that traffic. How much O&D demand is there between Detroit and Frankfurt compared to Detroit and Dusseldorf/North Rhine-Westphalia?
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cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1118 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 7214 times:
It would be fantastic for DUS get more service to the States. In a seperate thread I suggested LH into PHL. The majority of posters didn't think it would work and if a route to PHL was started US would be a better candidate using one of their TATL 757s.
I'm not sure if AB is currently in the financial position to start a new route to the States. If they do most likey to Chicago where they can codeshare with AA and gain a lot of feed on that side.
DL appears to be doing well with their ATL route so it seems their brand is not unfamiliar in this part of Germany. However, as already pointed out starting DTW could harm their FRA-DTW loads. Perhaps a 757 as in the old NW days would be an option. In any event I would really welcome a new destination to the States from DUS.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8347 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 7172 times:
Quoting FSDan (Reply 3): How much O&D demand is there between Detroit and Frankfurt compared to Detroit and Dusseldorf/North Rhine-Westphalia?
well,, there is an automotive cluster around Frankfurt which generates a lot of traffic to DTW and not only there. Besides the ailing GM affiliate Opel, we have a number of Japanese and Korean importers with their German HQ, German suppliers plus universities focusing on engieering.
On top of that comes the connectivity FRA offers.
Lost of that applies to DUS as well, with Ford in Cologne, a Daimler van assembly, suppliers in that region, Mazda in Leverkusen.
But then , DUS is 90 minutes by train from FRA and about the same by car,
ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2932 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6508 times:
DL to DTW would be really nice.
It would make flying to the northern parts of the US and the entire Midwest way more attractive. Even destinations like DEN would require at least 90 minutes or less travel time.
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1684 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5382 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 14): I dont see it happening. Using highspeed rail Dusseldorf is just over 2 hours from Amsterdam.
So why do airlines fly into BRU and AMS, when they're just under 2 hours from each other via rail? Same goes with Paris and London?
DUS is the largest intercontinental airport in the second largest metropolitan area of Germany (Dusseldorf-Cologne-Bonn-Essen-Dortmund). If the potential exists, then go for it. Frankly, given the sizable hub that AB has there and their presence in One World, AA isn't flying there from ORD or DFW (AB flies to JFK and MIA already).
civetfive From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4962 times:
I personally think we'll see expanded services between DUS-Asia and DUS-MIddle East before we see any substantial increase in DUS-USA flights. The USA-European market is largley mature, and there simply aren't many city pairs with O&D that aren't currently being serviced through an existing nonstop or with onestop, megahub service.
NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4593 times:
Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 11): I doubt youll see any new DL service to DUS. It is a StarAlliance hub.
Again with this type of comment. DL is not StarAlliance and is precisely why they should go into the market and i think from DTW (Hate the 757 for TA but thats another story). Theres always one person who says oh no its blah blah blahs hub as if that should deter any other airline from trying to compete. Airlines are part of alliances i get that but we cant let this stifle competition so badly that major cities are one alliance turf...
jcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 361 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4376 times:
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 15): DUS is the largest intercontinental airport in the second largest metropolitan area of Germany (Dusseldorf-Cologne-Bonn-Essen-Dortmund). If the potential exists, then go for it. Frankly, given the sizable hub that AB has there and their presence in One World, AA isn't flying there from ORD or DFW (AB flies to JFK and MIA already).