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New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 2  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 66075 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 1 which can be found here: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 1

Please feel free to continue your discussion in this thread.


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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 66434 times:

Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.

http://nycaviation.com/newspage/wp-content/gallery/aa-787/aa5l.jpg

I'm hoping the change is a tasteful refresh on what we've got already, a la US Airways or Alitalia. I'm incredibly excited for the new look and for 77W!!


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 65971 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):

Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.

That looks awesome! Maybe the new scheme will be the red, white, and blue cheatline they have now, and apply that to all the orange areas on the retro scheme! Haha...

Jokes aside, I'm looking forward to the "rebirth" of AA. They have been down for too long and the industry definitely needs the competition.

Who knows, maybe they will start a QF/Jetstar scenario and revive the TWA brand  . One can only hope...



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User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12901 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 65777 times:
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Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.

IMHO, that's awful.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
I'm hoping the change is a tasteful refresh on what we've got already

Please no!   

The new AA needs a complete revamp and to move away from the old AA. No homage, no retro scheme. New, fresh, 21st century is what they need. Bare metal is just so last century. From what we've seen of the 77W so far, it looks like that's where they're moving.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked the current livery. But that was about 40 years ago.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7982 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 65671 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 2):
That looks awesome! Maybe the new scheme will be the red, white, and blue cheatline they have now, and apply that to all the orange areas on the retro scheme! Haha...

Indeed it does but they cannot polish the 787 like that  
Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
The new AA needs a complete revamp and to move away from the old AA.

Agreed, as I stated in the last thread. New image always = new company morale to achieve its goals.



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User currently offlinegegarrenton From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 65321 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.

That would be epic.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 65135 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.

That looks like the livery before the Astrojet livery, where the paint wrapped around the nose and the rudder and engine intakes were painted. Examples below.


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This was the Astrojet livery. No paint on the nose, rudder or engine intakes.


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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3448 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 64686 times:

The 757 wore the Jet Flagship colors, while the current 737 wears the Astrojet colors.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20377 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 64258 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
IMHO, that's awful.

I think it looks amazing! I hope they do it on one 787. But I agree that it would be an awful livery for an entire fleet.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.

It is neither Astrojet nor Jet Flagship. In fact, I'm not sure it's a true historical livery at all. There is one too many "zigs" in the cheatline and it narrows before it broadens into the nose. Also, the orange on the rudder should be a broken bar with "AMERICAN" interrupting it.

Either way, it's pretty rad.

And, as long as we're doing fantasy liveries, here's something entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, just for fun:
http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_4/F355_F16A_Delta.jpg


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 63750 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):

I like the AA logo on the 707s with the big eagle and the smaller A's.



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User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 63644 times:

Does anyone else here think the new livery 77W will be rolled out along with an OO CR2 with a new Eagle paint job? I believe AA should be taking delivery around the same time OO will begin flying for American Eagle out of LAX. I think a ceremony debuting both schemes is in the works.

User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2298 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 62974 times:

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 10):
Does anyone else here think the new livery 77W will be rolled out along with an OO CR2 with a new Eagle paint job? I believe AA should be taking delivery around the same time OO will begin flying for American Eagle out of LAX. I think a ceremony debuting both schemes is in the works.

I had wondered if OO's American Eagle scheme would sport AA's new colors, but in another thread, somebody wrote two OO aircraft are already in Eagle's current livery. Perhaps it's just too close and AA didn't want to let the cat out of the bag. Not sure, but it's interesting timing for sure.

[Edited 2012-10-21 16:51:29]


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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1175 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 62685 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
It is neither Astrojet nor Jet Flagship. In fact, I'm not sure it's a true historical livery at all. There is one too many "zigs" in the cheatline and it narrows before it broadens into the nose

That is the original Flagship livery worn first by the DC-3

[Edited 2012-10-21 17:02:19]

User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 62500 times:

The Flagship Script comes from the DST and DC-3's of the 1930's.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7982 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 62301 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
And, as long as we're doing fantasy liveries, here's something entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, just for fun:

Wooooooooow I wonder if DL would actually do that for airshow purposes   

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 9):
I like the AA logo on the 707s with the big eagle and the smaller A's.

Maybe they can combine that with a modern wave or curve stripe or something that combines a bi-color on the fuselage?



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User currently offlinedarkroast From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 60182 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):

I would guess there is a large fuel surcharge on these flights?  

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User currently offlinecaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 59921 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.

Looks nice. Not sure how they would get a composite fuselage to reflect like that though. I like the cheatline however, it flows nicely

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
And, as long as we're doing fantasy liveries, here's something entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, just for fun:

Hehe.. kinda cool. I wonder if Delta, United and/or American would ever consider getting a few F16s or F22's two person variants and charge ridiculous prices to fly wealthy executives anywhere in the US at supersonic speeds plus give them the experience of being in a fighter jet. You know people would do it.. there'd be a line up. It would be a personalized "Concorde"  


User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9668 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 59469 times:
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Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme. Haters gonna hate, but I will let my record speak for its self.

User currently offlinedurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 59333 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 11):
I had wondered if OO's American Eagle scheme would sport AA's new colors, but in another thread, somebody wrote two OO aircraft are already in Eagle's current livery. Perhaps it's just too close and AA didn't want to let the cat out of the bag. Not sure, but it's interesting timing for sure.

Yes there are at least two aircraft already painted and being stored at TUS until the start in a couple weeks. They look like the current Eagle paint nothing new.


User currently offlineDoubleDelta From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 58985 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17):
Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme.

I won't second guess you, as I'm not familiar with your record... but based on what was said in the other thread from the member who claimed they knew of two insiders who have seen the new livery — nothing was stated suggesting it was some sort of interim merger livery. It seemed like it was a 100% AA original livery. So, essentially what you are saying is brand new.

Also, I haven't been keeping up with the AA/US merger talks, but is this something that is already a done deal or nothing more than serious talking??



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 58827 times:

Quoting DoubleDelta (Reply 19):
Also, I haven't been keeping up with the AA/US merger talks, but is this something that is already a done deal or nothing more than serious talking??

Not really for this thread but they signed a NDA and are in serious talks apparently.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 12):
That is the original Flagship livery worn first by the DC-3

It should have American written on the nose to make it exactly the same, just me being nit-picky again..



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 58718 times:

Well, if they've already got a new livery planned, then some sort of arrangement must be reached!

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 58381 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 21):
Well, if they've already got a new livery planned, then some sort of arrangement must be reached!

Says who? American may be planning a rebranding regardless of whether or not they reach a merger agreement with US or choose to emerge from Bankruptcy as independent.



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 58397 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17):
Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme. Haters gonna hate, but I will let my record speak for its self.

What a way to ruin a party! Jeez!

It seems odd that AA would commit to an interim AA/US livery without news of a merger taking place being released. I suppose the two airlines could have concluded a merger deal and kept it completely secret, but with the bankruptcy it seems keeping such news quiet would be difficult. Plus, I would've thought someone - Bloomberg or some other entity, would have leaked a lil something. Also, AA and APA have resumed contract negotiations - why would AA return to the table if it were about to merge? I thought APA had already made some sort of agreement with US if a merger were to take place. If a merger had been concluded, I'd think the parties would just table the discussion until the new management came aboard.

Lotsa questions, hmmmm....


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7982 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 58385 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17):
Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme. Haters gonna hate, but I will let my record speak for its self.

I'm curious to know who you've heard from, because the rumors I've been hearing is that US is backing off for a while until AA can adjust itself....but then again, you do have an extensive record indeed, and this sort of thing is none too surprising to occur after a merger.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 21):
Well, if they've already got a new livery planned, then some sort of arrangement must be reached!

We never know until the fat lady...or Doug Parker....sings

edit:

I don't know why I haven't seen this on this website yet.
http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2012...es-likely-to-get-new-paint-scheme/

[Edited 2012-10-21 20:22:05]


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25 Mcoov : ಠ_ಠ Oh lord. Looks like American is finally going to get that IATA code it always wanted. Not sure much else can come out of this.[Edited 2012-10-
26 Post contains images iFlyLOTs : He's been trying to work out But I doubt that it is a merger livery. I could be wrong though, its been known to happen.
27 FSXJunkie : Not much profit in that, maybe they could start a PMC division though. Delta (Military Contract Service): Defending the friendly skies!
28 Independence76 : I have to ask, do you think this will be unveiled in Dallas at the AA Skyball X fundraiser event in Hanger #5 at DFW on October 27th?
29 Mcoov : Seeing as how the first 77W service is DFW - GRU, that would make sense. Of course, someone will surely catch the fully-painted airplane before it le
30 American 767 : Will every aircraft type currently in service at American see the new livery? Assuming there will be a new livery: B77W and A319/A321: obviously yes a
31 phxa340 : Wasn't there a rumor posted on this forum a week ago from Tempe was that DL was interested in acquiring TN ? Not hating but Tempe's track record hasn
32 BMI727 : I'm sort of surprised that some airline hasn't. Obviously not with fighters, which are far too expensive, but it might not be ridiculous for some air
33 Post contains images PHX787 : my buddy frequents the LA Fitness in Scottsdale and he swears he's seen D.P. there working out Happened with US Airways. Didn't happen with DL. Combi
34 Post contains links klmflighter : I think this livery would look GREAT on the "new" american airlines. http://bit.ly/PVvT8G
35 rj777 : As long as they don't pull a United/Continental and keep the existing US Airways flag logo, I'll be happy!
36 DoubleDelta : Nothing's "impossible" but I'd venture the "AA" logo has a million times more brand recognition than a generic, washed out American flag. Don't get m
37 VC10er : And yes, it is a US AIRWAYS flag. Not to be confused with an American flag!
38 Post contains images captainstefan : American has -88s?
39 EA CO AS : I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely zero sense; what point would there be in painting new deliveries in an interim livery until a new one is formall
40 ZSOFN : Would be interested to know how the author got hold of my 777 template...
41 einsteinboricua : They never said which logo would survive. CO and UA merged under the UA name but under the CO logo. Maybe something has happened and we don't know it
42 American 767 : It must be a typo. I'm sure he meant -80.
43 YYZBound : If the two airlines merge, Parker has stated he would keep the American name and brand, as it is more internationally recognized
44 MCIGuy : I presume the "eyebrow" windows are painted on?
45 MasseyBrown : Makes me think of Ameriflot.
46 delta88 : I think AA might be doing this as a publicity stunt, trying to get more people to fly. United did the same thing, by chosing the Continental livery bu
47 milestones787 : Does anyone know the status of the new 77W? Is it in paint? At Everett or Portland? Thanks in advance.
48 Acey559 : You clearly don't work for AMR. This company is the king of crushing people's morale.
49 Post contains images PHX787 : Yes my bad. Meant to hit the 0 and it was a busy day for me yesterday And I am glad as hell that I don't. Hopefully something, if anything, happens t
50 qqflyboy : If you go to part one of this thread, you'll find many pics of the new bird in paint at PAE.
51 Post contains images LostSound : Expect at least a couple weeks wait as the first 777-300ER is not due for delivery until sometime in November, and most likely this bird is getting t
52 4engines4lnghll : IMO that's the ugliest livery I have ever seen! Looks like a finished page in a coloring book for a 5 year old. I'm sure the people at AA would look a
53 Post contains links 4engines4lnghll : Out of many liverys I've seen I think these are some of the best: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00015435 http://www
54 Post contains images PHX787 : If AA wants to do something like they've been doing for a while, I see them using either of these two. (the first and third one) This second one woul
55 mhkansan : And I think its exactly along the lines of what we're going to get. It'll be like DL, US, or UA's rebranding (UA, of course, from battleship grey to
56 Post contains images scbriml : You've got two shades of grey. You've got two shades of grey. Hopefully not, too much association with old AA. I think it will be muted and professio
57 TwoSixLeft : I'm sorry, but I hope anything resembling that second livery stays far away from any aircraft. The way the eagles are patterned on the cowlings and t
58 DoubleDelta : I'd totally agree if it wasn't for how the tail of the aircraft appeared in the spy shots. The white-painted tail looks akin to how the Qantas tail l
59 Post contains images scbriml : I don't think it is white. It looks grey to me (a lighter shade than the fuselage, but not white).
60 Post contains images PHX787 : At least it's not 50 shades Meh perhaps you're right. I really honestly think they should radicalize their livery a bit.
61 Post contains links and images DoubleDelta : That photo was not taken in the best lighting conditions. This video shows the colors off much better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-owRtLop08 Whe
62 N1120A : Well, Eagle has a different color scheme than mainline, so I wouldn't read anything into that. Clearly more forward thinking than SMI/J
63 Antoniemey : I can think of a few ways... dunno how good any of them would look, but a cheatline could be interrupted by the tail block, could merge into it (with
64 qqflyboy : I didn't read anything into that, other than they're not getting a new livery -- yet.
65 JayBird : Except the Eagle is facing the wrong direction - it should be facing forward on both sides of the aircraft. And the colors are too bland (my 2cents).
66 Post contains links Jana : Idea found at FB: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...383.176306365750756&type=1&theater
67 FlyCaledonian : The comparisons to Qantas, in the way the tail colour extends over the fuselage, makes me wonder if the tail will feature a redesigned eagle extending
68 Post contains images Owleye : Non-official design idea purely speculative and based upon the basic scheme, already painted on the 777ER, depicted here on a Dreamliner:
69 OzarkD9S : Needs some red. Blue and Grey are the associated colors of the Civil War armies. Just sayin'.....
70 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Yes, if *only* UA kept its multiple brands, usually simultaneously on the same aircraft/hangar/ticket counter it would be in a much better place. The
71 iFlyLOTs : Its not the only reason it needs red. Almost every other airline from the U.S. has a blue tail and a grey/white fuselage (DL, UA, B6, US and even NK)
72 4engines4lnghll : Replace the blue on the tail with red, keep the white, and keep the AA titles blue.
73 Post contains images Owleye : A variation to design 1: a bit red added on tailfin and with 'American'-title in capital and lowercase. This is just speculative and own idea of a mer
74 BlueShamu330s : Tail too reminiscent of FedEx, IMHO. Rgds[Edited 2012-10-23 10:12:30][Edited 2012-10-23 10:13:41]
75 Post contains images Owleye : Checked and yes, it has a bit though it's not too close. Thanks for the comment. Maybe the best of two airlines look like this: [Edited 2012-10-23 10
76 iFlyLOTs : It's a bit too purple of a blue if you ask me, which doesn't help it in trying to get away from the FedEx look.
77 LostSound : This variation is looking pretty good! The new cabin seats are navy blue with a touch of red at the very top, so that tail is very appropriate. The l
78 Owleye : I haven't any clue what they are designing across the pond, and that is good. The more confidential, the nicer the new livery introduction will be.
79 ckfred : What will be interesting is whether AA introduces the new livery at PAE or at DFW. If it's DFW, then either the plane has to leave PAE when the potent
80 Owleye : One photographer is enough. Better to move the plane during the night hours without tail fin spot lights of course. How to hide a big plane...
81 A388 : The livery presented by Owleye is just a FedEx copy, it can be more inspiring. Even so, I think that if AA and US will merge, they will keep the AA br
82 ckfred : Could AA take delivery of the 77W as it's currently painted, fly it to TUL, finish the painting there, and then ferry the aircraft after midnight to D
83 rj777 : I doubt it, because both Boeing AND AA will want to make a MASSIVE hoopla about it!
84 Ychocky : Remember AC and the 2010 Olympic scheme? It broke cover at PAE way before AC had announced it. They were a bit miffed.
85 deltadc9 : Were they not forced to do this not only because of the 787, but because of the planes they will gain in the merger not having the type of aluminum me
86 Post contains links B727FA : I personally like the one with the grey eagle landing and then smaller red/blue eagle super imposed on it. http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earc
87 tistpaa727 : I really like the tail on this one. I just wonder if it is too subtle.
88 timf : Regardless of whether or not there is a merger, AA is receiving a large number of Airbus narrowbodies that are meant to be painted. They already went
89 JAAlbert : I think the wavy cheat line has been done way too much. Also, why put the name below the windows?
90 Post contains links iFlyLOTs : I think that this one would look good on the fleet http://cardatabase.net/modifiedairli...earch/photo_search.php?id=00015094
91 United787 : Since we are playing graphic designer here...I like what you have come up with the most, but I would reduce the size and thickness of the "American".
92 4engines4lnghll : It's AMERICAN airlines it needs the traditional red , white, and blue. I hope the folks at AA keep that in mind.
93 iFlyLOTs : There is red, white and blue. There are way too many airlines that have blue as their base color, their needs to be more red to stand out.
94 B727FA : I liked the whole thing, but the tail is my favorite.
95 TSS : Cute. It reminds me of WN's "Shamu" livery.
96 Post contains links and images psa188 : snip Actually, the evolution of AA jet paint schemes is slightly more involved: 1. Jet Flagship scheme, introduced in 1959 with 707 JFK-LAX service.
97 ckfred : Since delivery of AA's first 77W is being delayed until January, then the question becomes as to when AA will introduce its new livery. Logic says tha
98 A388 : Seeing that the 77W will be AA's new flagship I assume that no other aircraft type will be painted in their new livery before their 77W is painted an
99 catdaddy63 : Is there a difference in the aluminum skin, on a 738 for example, if the final finish is going to be painted rather than polished? If yes, that could
100 Post contains images LostSound : Not necessarily a bad thing though. January would be a great month to reveal the company's new look as it is the beginning of the new year. New year,
101 brilondon : I like the look on the 787 and would be cool if it was applied to the 777 fleet. I am kidding. The livery is great for the new 787 but I don't see it
102 iFlyLOTs : Could they put off the 738 deliveries until the 77W delivery? Have them all happen at once so that they can 1) Reveal the new brand on multiple planes
103 ckfred : One would assume that AA will eventually paint the entire fleet. Remember how AA had polished aircraft, except for the A300s, when they were first de
104 A388 : I tend to think that this is negotiable and your idea does sound appealing from a PR and marketing point of view. Time will tell. A388
105 Post contains images PDX88 : AA isn't going to hold off receiving 5-6 brand new aircraft just so they can have the new livery. AA will continue to receive the new 738s in current
106 DocLightning : Oooh, expensive. Take a brand-new airframe and then have to repaint it before would be necessary for maintenance reasons? No, I think they will roll
107 FlyCaledonian : AA could just take delivery of 738s in the new base colours, with existing AA titles applied as decals. BA did this before launching the World tails,
108 American 767 : I think what PDX88 meant to say was AA would still take delivery of 738s in the current (soon to be old) livery and repaint them only when their D ch
109 rj777 : Even the best laid plans don't always work out. They can always be changed. AA might've wanted to debut their new branding on the 77W, but that doesn'
110 DocLightning : Is a D-check every 4-5 years? Keep in mind that doing painting during D-check doesn't save that much time. The aircraft must be intact to be painted,
111 American 767 : Not sure exactly how long it is for an aircraft between two D Checks, but it usually is a few years. It depends mainly on the number of cycles.
112 LMP737 : The titles on the fuselage, tail and the eagle on the tail are decals on the current fleet. Don't know if they plan to use decals on the new livery.
113 Antoniemey : I think it's less to do with saving time and more to do with the paint job likely being damaged when you take an aircraft apart to that extend, so it
114 N737AA : "D Checks" were part of the MSG2 maintenance program, all aircraft in AA's fleet are managed under the MSG3 maintenance program and there is no "D Ch
115 rj777 : If that's the case, then why hasn't it been completely painted?
116 ckfred : If this is a Oneworld paint scheme, then wouldn't it just be bare metal like the Oneworld 772? Considerirng that a Oneworld livery is a solid-colored
117 Post contains images A388 : Yes, member N737AA needs to take another look and a closer look at the AA 77W that just came out in BFI A388
118 LostSound : Somebody asked when the 777 will be fully painted on AAs fb page and they responded along the lines of "pretty soon, we will be sure to post plenty o
119 N737AA : I've seen no official announcement within the company just speculation here. I took delivery of AA aircraft at BFI for many years and still am in con
120 LDVAviation : One would think that AA's facebook page is run by the marketing department. I think they would know just a little about a new brand.
121 deltadc9 : According to a thread here maybe 5 years ago, cant find it, yes there is a difference and when they tried to polish a plane with skin intended to be
122 Post contains images LostSound : Considering it's American Airlines' official Facebook page run by the company, I'd assume they aren't tossing out false information arbitrarily about
123 American 767 : It reminds me of all the issues they had with the A300s. Remember when those were originally painted in gray during the 90s, because Airbus would not
124 Post contains links AA94 : Though this topic is hotly disputed, Horton has said in multiple interviews that AA is planning a branding/livery change of some kind. Here, in an in
125 DocLightning : Pretty solid speculation given the fact that the new scheme is already partially painted on the first frame to carry it. Given the fact that the CEO
126 N737AA : Hmmm.....I guess I don't know anything even though my paycheck says AMR on it. Rebranding can mean many things. The largest effort in this rebranding
127 N766UA : Haha that doesn't surprise me. When I worked for DAL we were the last people to know anything about what DAL was doing. I think that's pretty SOP in
128 777STL : Front line employees are typically the last to know anything about anything.
129 kanban : I saw an article last night (and failed to copy it) however it indicated a several week delay because the first class seating vendor is late. So I sus
130 LostSound : Correct. The vendor is having complications so now the plane is not set to be delivered now till' January.
131 N737AA : I guess you didn't see this post then........ N737AA
132 DocLightning : Loose lips sink ships. The more lips that know about it, the more likely that a pair of them will be loose. Someone has already blabbed a few hints.
133 OB1504 : I've heard the same from AA management at MIA that a new corporate identity is forthcoming.
134 Super80DFW : Absolutely right. Everybody at this company talks, and things don't stay secret for long. Has anybody been around PAE lately and laid eyes on the air
135 Mcoov : Absolutely right. Everybody at this company talks, and things don't stay secret for long. Well, AA has done a pretty good job so far, judging by how
136 kanban : I suspect that the aircraft painting will wait until the seat issue is resolved and the B & C flights are complete. Then they will refuel and sli
137 Super80DFW : I'm considering flying to SEA later this week, just to go to PAE and see if I can get a glimpse of it. I'm really excited for this plane to join our
138 ckfred : Someone may also want to check out BFI to see if any 738s for AA are being done in the current livery, or if there are planes with AA N-numbers that a
139 Post contains links kanban : the last pictures of AA 737's on http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com/ were all the old scheme
140 iFlyLOTs : But weren't all of those planes due to be delivered before the 77Ws original delivery date?
141 kanban : I think even if there was a change planned for the 737s, they will revert to the old paint scheme until the 777 is ready. It will make a better public
142 flybyguy : According to the AA website, they will be taking new build Airbus and Boeing narrowbody airplanes with revamped interiors and AVOD IFE starting next
143 N766UA : I did, but the fact that AA's top managers have confirmed a new livery is iminent seems to call into question the totality of your knowledge of the c
144 N737AA : Who are these top Managers and what is your relationship with them? Be specific. I talked to my coworker at BFI and he confirmed (obviously) that 7AL
145 GSPSPOT : AA's current scheme is simple, modern and timeless IMO. While it might be interesting to see them update it, I highly doubt anything they come up with
146 DocLightning : The top manager is the CEO and he said so during a public interview.
147 Post contains images garpd : Time to dust of these puppies and enter the fray
148 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : both colour schemes would be very nice, particularily the red-fin one. While the second reminds of the uniforms of the soldiers of the Confederacy ht
149 PHX787 : I agree, the red one looks best.
150 kanban : while we drool over what if's, we know something from the silver /grey primer application .. so it would be nice to see ideas that utilize that knowle
151 qqflyboy : Those special liveries are still on polished aluminum airplanes. Clearly the 777-300 is painted. That in and of itself is a big deal, IMHO.
152 scbriml : Well, one out of three isn't bad - it is simple. It was modern 35 years ago but its time has passed. As was shown in Part 1, because the planes are b
153 GSPSPOT : I still don't think anything else will necessarily be better. It will only be different.[Edited 2012-11-06 13:28:28]
154 Post contains images kjet12 : While traveling out of LGA this afternoon, I noticed that one self service kiosk at check-in had a much different design than the others. I wonder if
155 BDL757 : Wow! That is certainly different...looks weird without any red or darker blue.
156 jayeshrulz : Well I guess you might be correct! That certainly looks very different without any presence of Red or darker blue.
157 A388 : Yes, it looks so different that it actually doesn't tell you anything. A388
158 NYCAAer : I like the new font on the screen! The bold navy-blue all capital letters of recent years never appealed to me.
159 commavia : I agree - that looks like either the intentional or inadvertent trial balloon of a new branding. And based on that tiny little glimpse, if it is that
160 jsnww81 : Can't agree with you enough. The all-caps bold letters have become so tiresome. It's so simplistic and unimaginative - an accurate assessment of thin
161 skedguy : FWIW, the gray banding at the upper left corner of the screen bears an uncanny resemblance to the white / gray lines we've seen on the 77W. Could thi
162 OB1504 : The theories regarding the new image on the self-service machines makes sense. A similar screen displays when the machine is out of service due to a t
163 HOMsAR : I'm thinking it's just a reflection of ambient light around the screen.
164 Post contains links and images miaskies : Come on AA! We are anxiously waiting!
165 Post contains images teme82 : Perhaps they got spy's in here and they are monitoring this thread and they are laughing their ass off when they read this thread. I think they are h
166 timf : I had to take another look but I'd say you are probably right. The bright area extends beyond the edge of the screen. If you look a the right side of
167 Post contains images A388 : Yes, AA indeed must be laughing their ass off with this thread A388
168 skedguy : Upon second look, you guys might be right. Maybe the original poster, kjet12, can confirm one way or the other.
169 kjet12 : There is some reflection from the overhead lights. The screen is mainly blue and white, but there is no grey on the screen. The "AmericanAirlines" in
170 A388 : So we now know that we mustn't look into this self service screen a lot as the 77W is grey and not white. The American Airlines titles can also not b
171 HOMsAR : Just had a thought. Maybe the titles *are* grey, on a grey background. The tail logo is white. The logo and paint scheme are extremely awesome, but y
172 kjet12 : It may not be a reflection of the 77W livery itself, but this screen is such a departure from the typical branding that is AA. Normally the SSM scree
173 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : What if this is the completed livery? Times are tough, the carrier needs to save money... No I'm not serious
174 Post contains images teme82 : Then why they just put some clear coat over the frame so that it would show it's true colours
175 N766UA : LOL that's what I thought. If you'd shown me that picture without telling me there was something different about it, I'd have no idea. It looks like
176 B727FA : Perhaps is a going uber-neutral to "cleanse the palate" so to speak so when the new "brand" is revealed it's that much "bigger."
177 Post contains images usair330 : After looking at that pic I hope this isn't what they had in mind.
178 Post contains images PHX787 : Oh dear god no! Where am I, Soviet Russia after they invaded us?
179 Post contains images jalapeno : Looks like something from Draw With Friends...
180 Post contains images FSXJunkie : Seems too bland, here's mine Seriously, the way they did the tail makes me think it'll end up being a play on Qantas' livery, a silhouetted eagle wil
181 Post contains images PHX787 : Since when did this thread turn into a "lets see who can make the most ridiculous AA livery on MS-Paint" Competition?
182 mingocr83 : HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Epic!
183 CO777DAL : LMAO. Thanks! Man did I need that laugh tonight!
184 N766UA : The more appropriate question is why didn't it do so sooner?!
185 Post contains images PHX787 : That, my friend, could be an epic thread in the Aviation Hobby forum
186 usair330 : Lmao No professional designer here! I'll admit that.
187 Post contains images garpd : Here's my interpretation of what is in store going purely from the many pictures of the strange half finished livery we have seen so far. I do not pro
188 dtw757 : You'll have to keep waiting. I was at Boeing yesterday and this ship is still sitting in the same spot looking exactly the same. However the second 7
189 kanban : I would note be surprised to see a red, white and blue thin swoosh water line like the new United gold line.
190 Mcoov : I doubt it. I'm expecting something much more like what Air France has.
191 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Interesting but short article---basically a summary of what we all said here http://blog.seattlepi.com/airlinerep...ines-set-to-get-a-new-livery-soon/
192 kanban : that's the swoosh waterline I envision.. the only problem I have with everybody's blue fin and rudder is the rudder is white and to paint and balance
193 4engines4lnghll : The bottom airplane with the red cheat line is a great livery idea! Only thing is that the AA titles are a little small especially for a 773.
194 Post contains images 777way : No design is better than this one, AA should have contacted this designer and dropped all other plans.
195 TSS : Agreed. Yep, "American Airlines" should be a bit larger and done in red as well. Otherwise an excellent effort, though. The only other thing I'd thin
196 Post contains links 777way : Also like this http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00015470
197 acedriver : Looks a bit similar to QR's livery... Don't get me wrong here, I think QR's livery is GORGEOUS, and I would say the same to this design.
198 A388 : And Aeromexico for that matter. But as you say, I also like the QR livery very much. A388
199 airjamaica : Not a bad effort by the creator but myself think it has a striking resemblance to AM.
200 A388 : I personally think we will see enlarged "AA" titles on the tail as is the new trend with airlines nowadays. A388
201 Post contains images American 767 : Just one comment to the design in reply 194, I think that the eagle logo should not be redesigned and be kept as it is now. Other than that, the propo
202 iFlyLOTs : Can someone make something with more red? There is way too much blue in the sky, AA needs some red to stand out, and they could do it well
203 RyanairGuru : Given that all we know so far is that it has a QF style tale, I think that a giant eagle like that is very likely. Since it is a white tail, I would
204 TR763 : The eagle between the two "A" of the tail is now Mickey Mouse! Awesome!! LOL
205 aacun : A pic of the new scheme has been going around at ops and somebody had it on a flight the other day. I have not seen it, but its supposed to be very ni
206 liftsifter : ^ yes. I do hope it's very nice, considering American's planes will carry this for most likely the next decade or two.
207 TSS : Pretty much my thoughts exactly. See reply #195 for details.
208 American 767 : Maybe even three. The current (soon to be old) livery has been carried for four decades. No other airline has kept a same livery for 40 years or more
209 liftsifter : Technically, the changes made to Pan Am's livery over time were so minor that the company basically never changed the livery. RJ has had the same liv
210 questions : And is AA doesn't, DL should -- it's time for a new livery!
211 ghost77 : You hit the nail! It's simple... that basic coat of grey is the actual silver. They'll just add new American titles. BIG and nice AA on the whole new
212 Giancavia : I keep checking this thread every day to see how AA will butcher their livery. I definitely think its time for a change but after all the recent liver
213 acedriver : CAAC / CA has been using the blue-double cheatline since the early 1970‘s, although it probably is not as old as AA's current livery, it is pretty
214 rj777 : I guess we might have to wait until part 3 to find out what the new livery is, since this thread is already 200+ posts long!
215 aacun : Now that we move closer to the unveiling date. I have been looking at the employee web site and there is a small banner there that keeps popping up, i
216 YYZBound : To add to that...I was in between flights in ORD yesterday, and on the monitors was a new ad message : "Twice the miles, twice the thank yous"...and
217 richierich : I think everybody's guesses on here are quite amusing! Talk about trying to interpret a livery from a title-less and logo-less battleship-grey primer
218 Post contains links rikkus67 : This is definitely not a primer coat. If we take a look at the excellent photo that Sabian 404 provided, we can see that the fuselage is a very light
219 N766UA : Agreed, primer's green, not grey.
220 rikkus67 : Another thing I noticed from Sabian404's photo, was the use of a yellow-orange for the numbers 77-3 on the front landing gear doors.... Is that standa
221 OB1504 : Update: The new self-service machine (SSM) software went live on Monday, and is certainly much more aesthetically pleasing. I'm hoping it'll tie in t
222 PDX88 : It's going to become standard on every AA aircraft (with the corresponding code) in the coming years. Has nothing to do specifically with the 773 or
223 N766UA : Good thing, because that's a horrendous color to apply any bigger and anywhere else on that jet.
224 Post contains images HermansCVR580 : So do we have a date? I know the 777 is delayed but has AA come out and said on such and such date we are releasing our new look? Fingers crossed I'm
225 Post contains links catdaddy63 : Could this be AA's #2 77W? The first flew as BOE301. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE302
226 TC957 : I think that's the next SV one HZ-AK16. However, on the fuel dock line-up at PAE did I see one with a blue rudder ? Or is this the first SU 77W just r
227 Post contains links KarelXWB : The second one has not been built yet. http://www.planespotters.net/Product...ing/777/index.php?sort=ln&dir=desc[Edited 2012-11-15 12:46:28]
228 Post contains links winglet13 : If I drill into that it appears the first flight for the second one occurred today. http://www.planespotters.net/Product...41665,N718AN-American-Airl
229 Post contains links catdaddy63 : Confirmed here as well: www.boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com
230 KarelXWB : Hmm ok, for one reason or another I had in mind that number 2 won't be built before January 2013.
231 777STL : The first two were both supposed to be delivered by the end of 2012, but with the seat sourcing problems, I think they've both slid back to 2013.
232 aacun : Can someone confirm what the problem with the FC seat is? I heard a rumor but I am not supposed to comment on it. And I cant verify it so I wouldnt an
233 Post contains links miaskies : New self service machines branding... http://www.behance.net/gallery/American-Airlines-Airport-Kiosk/5935297
234 Post contains images dtw757 : The second 777-300 is definitely built and here it is as I saw it on Saturday [Edited 2012-11-15 20:16:49][Edited 2012-11-15 20:34:08]
235 American 767 : How do you know this one is for American? Other airlines also have 77Ws on order: Emirates, Cathay... Did you talk to a Boeing employee? That's the o
236 qqflyboy : '7LB' is an internal nose # for AA's second 77W. Since that's already painted on the nose gear, it's a pretty good indication that bird is going to A
237 rj777 : OK..... so #1 was all gray..... #2 has a bunch of Chrome...... to quote Timon from The Lion King..... "WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?!"
238 scbriml : It's not chrome, it's just bare metal. The answer is simple - the second one has yet to be painted. However, we can be sure it will be painted the sa
239 rikkus67 : You beat me to it, scbriml! Most definitely a white rudder.
240 Post contains links KarelXWB : Thanks. Here is another picture of N718AN: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8189367049
241 Giancavia : Prepare yourselves for bland whitey white white based dullness. It seems to be inevitable lol.
242 LostSound : It's going to painted. The nose portion has primer applied.
243 Post contains images voltage : If we can use this branding as an indicator of what is to come, it looks like they're getting rid of red entirely? AA's new color palette is grey, wh
244 N737AA : The fan cowl is white, the rudder is grey....same as the rest of the fleet. But what do I know... N737AA
245 YYZBound : I really like the new kiosk design. Saw a whole slew of the kiosks with the new interface and it was much more pleasing to the eye..more 'graceful'. T
246 DeltaMD90 : Yes, interesting to see "American Airlines" in all blue and a lack of colors overall. No logo either, did you notice? I mean these kiosks can still c
247 N766UA : The nose cone always has primer applied, even in bare metal liveries the nose must be painted.
248 JBo : I'm pretty sure he meant the whole forward section that's green in color.
249 jsnww81 : Very true. AA's entire marketing thrust for the last 3-4 years has been built around yelling at customers. KICK ALL THE WAY BACK, say the ads with pi
250 Post contains links and images nra-3b : Gentlemen, referencing the photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8189367049 The green stuff on the forward section is a protective coating and
251 mhkansan : Rumors I'm hearing around the block is that AA has a new stylized eagle logo, including the same "AA" logo on the tail with the new eagle. Also rumore
252 N766UA : Maybe, but a: that's far beyond the nose and b: I don't think that's primer. If they were putting primer on the jet they'd do it to the whole thing.[
253 scbriml : No, they're just a different finish to the fuselage. That's how they look hot off the production line. Look at the many photos of unpainted 777s at t
254 American 767 : Why is it that the nose section appears to be greenish as opposed to the center and the rear sections of the fuselage? Yes it's a protective coating b
255 kanban : Body section skins come from different companies who use different protective materials.. They must all meet Boeings's specification requirements for
256 CIDFlyer : Wouldnt that be a bit of a waste when they have said they are going to be re-branding? Come on AA! Let's get this ball rolling...dying to see what th
257 Post contains images scbriml : I'm not sure what you mean? I'm saying the second 77W will end up looking the same as the first 77W - grey painted fuselage and whitish tail.
258 Post contains links and images SA7700 : This thread has become quite long and will be locked in favor of part 3, which can be found here: New AA Color Scheme Confirmed...painted - Part 3 Enj
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