mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 394 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (8 months 18 hours ago) and read 60197 times:
Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.
I'm hoping the change is a tasteful refresh on what we've got already, a la US Airways or Alitalia. I'm incredibly excited for the new look and for 77W!!
TWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 784 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 59735 times:
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.
That looks awesome! Maybe the new scheme will be the red, white, and blue cheatline they have now, and apply that to all the orange areas on the retro scheme! Haha...
Jokes aside, I'm looking forward to the "rebirth" of AA. They have been down for too long and the industry definitely needs the competition.
Who knows, maybe they will start a QF/Jetstar scenario and revive the TWA brand . One can only hope...
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scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11438 posts, RR: 50 Reply 3, posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 59542 times:
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1): Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.
IMHO, that's awful.
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1): I'm hoping the change is a tasteful refresh on what we've got already
Please no!
The new AA needs a complete revamp and to move away from the old AA. No homage, no retro scheme. New, fresh, 21st century is what they need. Bare metal is just so last century. From what we've seen of the 77W so far, it looks like that's where they're moving.
Don't get me wrong, I really liked the current livery. But that was about 40 years ago.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 5102 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 59437 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 2): That looks awesome! Maybe the new scheme will be the red, white, and blue cheatline they have now, and apply that to all the orange areas on the retro scheme! Haha...
Indeed it does but they cannot polish the 787 like that
Quoting scbriml (Reply 3): The new AA needs a complete revamp and to move away from the old AA.
Agreed, as I stated in the last thread. New image always = new company morale to achieve its goals.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21679 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 58901 times:
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1): Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.
That looks like the livery before the Astrojet livery, where the paint wrapped around the nose and the rudder and engine intakes were painted. Examples below.
I think it looks amazing! I hope they do it on one 787. But I agree that it would be an awful livery for an entire fleet.
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1): Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.
It is neither Astrojet nor Jet Flagship. In fact, I'm not sure it's a true historical livery at all. There is one too many "zigs" in the cheatline and it narrows before it broadens into the nose. Also, the orange on the rudder should be a broken bar with "AMERICAN" interrupting it.
Either way, it's pretty rad.
And, as long as we're doing fantasy liveries, here's something entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, just for fun:
BlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 months 14 hours ago) and read 57413 times:
Does anyone else here think the new livery 77W will be rolled out along with an OO CR2 with a new Eagle paint job? I believe AA should be taking delivery around the same time OO will begin flying for American Eagle out of LAX. I think a ceremony debuting both schemes is in the works.
qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2200 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (8 months 14 hours ago) and read 56743 times:
Quoting BlueLine (Reply 10): Does anyone else here think the new livery 77W will be rolled out along with an OO CR2 with a new Eagle paint job? I believe AA should be taking delivery around the same time OO will begin flying for American Eagle out of LAX. I think a ceremony debuting both schemes is in the works.
I had wondered if OO's American Eagle scheme would sport AA's new colors, but in another thread, somebody wrote two OO aircraft are already in Eagle's current livery. Perhaps it's just too close and AA didn't want to let the cat out of the bag. Not sure, but it's interesting timing for sure.
[Edited 2012-10-21 16:51:29]
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dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1054 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (8 months 14 hours ago) and read 56454 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8): It is neither Astrojet nor Jet Flagship. In fact, I'm not sure it's a true historical livery at all. There is one too many "zigs" in the cheatline and it narrows before it broadens into the nose
That is the original Flagship livery worn first by the DC-3
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 5102 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (8 months 13 hours ago) and read 56068 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8): And, as long as we're doing fantasy liveries, here's something entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, just for fun:
Wooooooooow I wonder if DL would actually do that for airshow purposes
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 9): I like the AA logo on the 707s with the big eagle and the smaller A's.
Maybe they can combine that with a modern wave or curve stripe or something that combines a bi-color on the fuselage?
caribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1628 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (8 months 11 hours ago) and read 53689 times:
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1): Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.
Looks nice. Not sure how they would get a composite fuselage to reflect like that though. I like the cheatline however, it flows nicely
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8): And, as long as we're doing fantasy liveries, here's something entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, just for fun:
Hehe.. kinda cool. I wonder if Delta, United and/or American would ever consider getting a few F16s or F22's two person variants and charge ridiculous prices to fly wealthy executives anywhere in the US at supersonic speeds plus give them the experience of being in a fighter jet. You know people would do it.. there'd be a line up. It would be a personalized "Concorde"
durangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 months 11 hours ago) and read 53102 times:
Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 11): I had wondered if OO's American Eagle scheme would sport AA's new colors, but in another thread, somebody wrote two OO aircraft are already in Eagle's current livery. Perhaps it's just too close and AA didn't want to let the cat out of the bag. Not sure, but it's interesting timing for sure.
Yes there are at least two aircraft already painted and being stored at TUS until the start in a couple weeks. They look like the current Eagle paint nothing new.
DoubleDelta From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 months 11 hours ago) and read 52754 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17): Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme.
I won't second guess you, as I'm not familiar with your record... but based on what was said in the other thread from the member who claimed they knew of two insiders who have seen the new livery — nothing was stated suggesting it was some sort of interim merger livery. It seemed like it was a 100% AA original livery. So, essentially what you are saying is brand new.
Also, I haven't been keeping up with the AA/US merger talks, but is this something that is already a done deal or nothing more than serious talking??
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iFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 months 11 hours ago) and read 52596 times:
Quoting DoubleDelta (Reply 19): Also, I haven't been keeping up with the AA/US merger talks, but is this something that is already a done deal or nothing more than serious talking??
Not really for this thread but they signed a NDA and are in serious talks apparently.
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 12): That is the original Flagship livery worn first by the DC-3
It should have American written on the nose to make it exactly the same, just me being nit-picky again..
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2281 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 52150 times:
Quoting rj777 (Reply 21): Well, if they've already got a new livery planned, then some sort of arrangement must be reached!
Says who? American may be planning a rebranding regardless of whether or not they reach a merger agreement with US or choose to emerge from Bankruptcy as independent.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1218 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 52166 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17): Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme. Haters gonna hate, but I will let my record speak for its self.
What a way to ruin a party! Jeez!
It seems odd that AA would commit to an interim AA/US livery without news of a merger taking place being released. I suppose the two airlines could have concluded a merger deal and kept it completely secret, but with the bankruptcy it seems keeping such news quiet would be difficult. Plus, I would've thought someone - Bloomberg or some other entity, would have leaked a lil something. Also, AA and APA have resumed contract negotiations - why would AA return to the table if it were about to merge? I thought APA had already made some sort of agreement with US if a merger were to take place. If a merger had been concluded, I'd think the parties would just table the discussion until the new management came aboard.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 5102 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 52154 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17): Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme. Haters gonna hate, but I will let my record speak for its self.
I'm curious to know who you've heard from, because the rumors I've been hearing is that US is backing off for a while until AA can adjust itself....but then again, you do have an extensive record indeed, and this sort of thing is none too surprising to occur after a merger.
Quoting rj777 (Reply 21): Well, if they've already got a new livery planned, then some sort of arrangement must be reached!
We never know until the fat lady...or Doug Parker....sings
Mcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 113 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 54030 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17): Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme. Haters gonna hate, but I will let my record speak for its self.
ಠ_ಠ Oh lord.
Looks like American is finally going to get that IATA code it always wanted. Not sure much else can come out of this.
FSXJunkie From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 27, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 55208 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14): Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
And, as long as we're doing fantasy liveries, here's something entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, just for fun:
Wooooooooow I wonder if DL would actually do that for airshow purposes
Not much profit in that, maybe they could start a PMC division though.
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Mcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 113 posts, RR: 1 Reply 29, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 54948 times:
Quoting Independence76 (Reply 28): I have to ask, do you think this will be unveiled in Dallas at the AA Skyball X fundraiser event in Hanger #5 at DFW on October 27th?
Seeing as how the first 77W service is DFW - GRU, that would make sense. Of course, someone will surely catch the fully-painted airplane before it leaves PAE.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3334 posts, RR: 14 Reply 30, posted (8 months 9 hours ago) and read 54763 times:
Will every aircraft type currently in service at American see the new livery?
Assuming there will be a new livery:
B77W and A319/A321: obviously yes and I don't think any of them will be delivered in the current (soon to be old) silver livery.
B737-800, B767-300ER and B777-200: of course yes. But it'll take years to repaint the whole 738 fleet, which is getting big.
B787, if American still wants them, yes. And none would be delivered in the current (soon to be old) silver livery.
B767-200: I doubt it. Because they won't be in the fleet much longer, four years at the most. I think that only one, maybe two at the most, of the 15 762s left will see the new livery.
B757 and MD-80: yes, but the majority of them won't because those are on the way out and by the time all planes are repainted in the new livery, which will take at least 5 years, not many 757s and MD-80s will be left. 757s Int'l, those have a good chance to stay in the fleet long and see the new livery.
So in summary, I think it all depends on if and when each airplane in the fleet gets its D Check. The new livery may be unveiled already in a few weeks from now but you can expect to see the current (soon to be old) livery until at least 2017.
I remember when United unveiled their then new battleship livery in early 1993, I was still an undergraduate student. In late 1997, almost five years later, I spotted a 727 still wearing the old rainbow Saul Bass livery.
Delta has changed 3 times in the last 15 years!
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phxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 624 posts, RR: 1 Reply 31, posted (8 months 9 hours ago) and read 54636 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17): Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme. Haters gonna hate, but I will let my record speak for its self.
Wasn't there a rumor posted on this forum a week ago from Tempe was that DL was interested in acquiring TN ?
Not hating but Tempe's track record hasn't been stellar ...
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14410 posts, RR: 26 Reply 32, posted (8 months 9 hours ago) and read 54457 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14): Wooooooooow I wonder if DL would actually do that for airshow purposes
I'm sort of surprised that some airline hasn't. Obviously not with fighters, which are far too expensive, but it might not be ridiculous for some airline to get some Extras, warbirds, or something like that to form a display team to fly the flag at airshows, similar to what Red Bull does. I want to say that some of the pilots who fly their own planes at airshows are commercial pilots as a day job, so maybe someday some airline could officially sanction such activity.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Quoting Mcoov (Reply 29): Seeing as how the first 77W service is DFW - GRU, that would make sense. Of course, someone will surely catch the fully-painted airplane before it leaves PAE.
Is it being painted at PAE? I thought the 777s were painted in Ft. Worth?
Quoting American 767 (Reply 30): B757 and MD-80: yes, but the majority of them won't because those are on the way out and by the time all planes are repainted in the new livery, which will take at least 5 years, not many 757s and MD-80s will be left. 757s Int'l, those have a good chance to stay in the fleet long and see the new livery.
Yeah the MD88s are leaving so I doubt they'd be repainted en masse.
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 31): Wasn't there a rumor posted on this forum a week ago from Tempe was that DL was interested in acquiring TN ?
Guilty as charged, fellow PHX fan. Of course that wasn't from Tempe but a FX pilot based in MEM waiting for a flight back to MEM itself or something.
I haven't seem him at the PF Changs since I last met him, and I go there almost every weekend.
DoubleDelta From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 36, posted (8 months 7 hours ago) and read 52167 times:
Quoting rj777 (Reply 35):
As long as they don't pull a United/Continental and keep the existing US Airways flag logo, I'll be happy!
Nothing's "impossible" but I'd venture the "AA" logo has a million times more brand recognition than a generic, washed out American flag. Don't get me wrong, I really like the US Airways flag, but I'd be quite surprised if a merger were to happen, the U.S. flag would survive the merger. After all, US is on record for stating the new brand would retain the American Airlines name, due to brand recognition.
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EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12595 posts, RR: 64 Reply 39, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 48172 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 17): Word from Tempe is that is an interim AA/US merger tie-in scheme
I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely zero sense; what point would there be in painting new deliveries in an interim livery until a new one is formally decided upon? Why not paint in the current livery until a new one is made official? It's not like the B787 will come to AA anytime in the immediate future; there's more than enough time between the now and the first 787 delivery to come up with what they want.
Until then, just keeping the traditional AA livery makes the most financial sense.
[Edited 2012-10-22 04:12:06]
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einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2083 posts, RR: 6 Reply 41, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 47562 times:
Quoting DoubleDelta (Reply 36): After all, US is on record for stating the new brand would retain the American Airlines name, due to brand recognition.
They never said which logo would survive. CO and UA merged under the UA name but under the CO logo.
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 39): I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely zero sense; what point would there be in painting new deliveries in an interim livery until a new one is formally decided upon? Why not paint in the current livery until a new one is made official?
Maybe something has happened and we don't know it yet?
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MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4751 posts, RR: 7 Reply 45, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 43035 times:
Quoting klmflighter (Reply 34): I think this livery would look GREAT on the "new" american airlines.
delta88 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 41 posts, RR: 0 Reply 46, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 42522 times:
I think AA might be doing this as a publicity stunt, trying to get more people to fly. United did the same thing, by chosing the Continental livery but keeping the UNITED name on the aircraft. Maybe AA just wants some publicity and draw the crowd and general public away from the labour and financial problems as a result of the impending possibility of merger.
Thats my opionion, feel free to elaborate or to think differently, im happy to be corrected
milestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 47, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 41024 times:
Does anyone know the status of the new 77W? Is it in paint? At Everett or Portland? Thanks in advance.
Yes my bad. Meant to hit the 0 and it was a busy day for me yesterday
Quoting Acey559 (Reply 48): You clearly don't work for AMR. This company is the king of crushing people's morale.
And I am glad as hell that I don't. Hopefully something, if anything, happens that benefits all sides of this potential merger. I'm personally concerned about PHX but there have been countless threads discussing this and pretty much nobody has any clue what's going to feasibly happen.
qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2200 posts, RR: 14 Reply 50, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 38392 times:
Expect at least a couple weeks wait as the first 777-300ER is not due for delivery until sometime in November, and most likely this bird is getting the full colour post-delivery I'd guess.
4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0 Reply 52, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 38038 times:
IMO that's the ugliest livery I have ever seen! Looks like a finished page in a coloring book for a 5 year old. I'm sure the people at AA would look at this and just laugh.
4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0 Reply 53, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 37471 times:
Out of many liverys I've seen I think these are some of the best:
The 5th one is good too but I don't see it happening if AA is trying to make a complete brand redo. Otherwise it looks very similar to the current livery, of course with the different titles
mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 394 posts, RR: 1 Reply 55, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 35788 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 54): The 5th one is good too but I don't see it happening if AA is trying to make a complete brand redo. Otherwise it looks very similar to the current livery, of course with the different titles
And I think its exactly along the lines of what we're going to get. It'll be like DL, US, or UA's rebranding (UA, of course, from battleship grey to shades of blue). Same logo, since you're not getting anywhere with the employees by getting rid of the eagle, and combine that with global recognition and incredibly good recognition in the US, I guarantee it will be along the same lines as what we've got already.
We can count that silver will be the primary color of the airplane. Rebranding with any color other than silver as the base would be like rebranding Coca Cola with Blue. It wouldn't make any sense.
We know it will feature silver, and most likely, will retain the Helvetica font that is instantly recognizable on an airplane as one being AA's. We already know that it will have a glossy gray/off white glossy (non matte) finish.
We know it will probably feature red/orange, white, and possibly blue.
What we don't know is how these features will be arranged and displayed on the fusealage. We think, as rumored on this forum from somebody's in-the-know buddy. that "retro" is a thing. What defines retro?
Possibilities:
-Cheatline
-Bold use of color, aka no gradients or complex patterns
-Relatively simple titles ("American"), that, or overly embossed and embellished fonts which are toally out of vogue with aviation designers these days.
-Eagle.
While I don't think anybody knows what the final design will look like, if they're refreshing the brand its going to look something like US's rebrand after the HP merger, DL or UA's brand refresh, or in my hopeful opinion, along the lines of AZ's brand refresh. I agree with many AA's livery is timeless and super classy. I hope the livery folks can deliver and sell us a livery that all employees and dedicated frequent flyers can embrace as "theirs," while still conveying a refreshed and renewed airline ready to deliver world-class service.
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11438 posts, RR: 50 Reply 56, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 35728 times:
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 55): We can count that silver will be the primary color of the airplane.
You've got two shades of grey.
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 55): Rebranding with any color other than silver as the base would be like rebranding Coca Cola with Blue. It wouldn't make any sense.
TwoSixLeft From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 34790 times:
I'm sorry, but I hope anything resembling that second livery stays far away from any aircraft. The way the eagles are patterned on the cowlings and tail makes the plane look like it belongs to Poker Chip Airlines.
DoubleDelta From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 58, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 34759 times:
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 55): And I think its exactly along the lines of what we're going to get.
I'd totally agree if it wasn't for how the tail of the aircraft appeared in the spy shots. The white-painted tail looks akin to how the Qantas tail looks. If that's the case, I don't see how a cheatline can flow with something like that.
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Quoting mhkansan (Reply 55): And I think its exactly along the lines of what we're going to get. It'll be like DL, US, or UA's rebranding (UA, of course, from battleship grey to shades of blue). Same logo, since you're not getting anywhere with the employees by getting rid of the eagle, and combine that with global recognition and incredibly good recognition in the US, I guarantee it will be along the same lines as what we've got already.
Meh perhaps you're right. I really honestly think they should radicalize their livery a bit.
DoubleDelta From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 61, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 34844 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 59): I don't think it is white. It looks grey to me (a lighter shade than the fuselage, but not white).
Whether it's white or grey, my point didn't have to do with that. It had to do with the way the preliminary colors are laid out, it seems close to what QF has in the way the red is laid out...
If this is the case, my point was that I don't see how a cheatline could work with that design.
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 62, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 34229 times:
Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 11): I had wondered if OO's American Eagle scheme would sport AA's new colors, but in another thread, somebody wrote two OO aircraft are already in Eagle's current livery. Perhaps it's just too close and AA didn't want to let the cat out of the bag. Not sure, but it's interesting timing for sure.
Well, Eagle has a different color scheme than mainline, so I wouldn't read anything into that.
Quoting YYZBound (Reply 43):
If the two airlines merge, Parker has stated he would keep the American name and brand, as it is more internationally recognized
Clearly more forward thinking than SMI/J
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Antoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1509 posts, RR: 4 Reply 63, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 34134 times:
Quoting DoubleDelta (Reply 61): f this is the case, my point was that I don't see how a cheatline could work with that design.
I can think of a few ways... dunno how good any of them would look, but a cheatline could be interrupted by the tail block, could merge into it (with that part either having multiple color areas or the other color(s) of the cheatline dropping/tapering off), or the cheatline could just end at that point.
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qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2200 posts, RR: 14 Reply 64, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 34112 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 62): Well, Eagle has a different color scheme than mainline, so I wouldn't read anything into that.
I didn't read anything into that, other than they're not getting a new livery -- yet.
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FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1971 posts, RR: 3 Reply 67, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31950 times:
The comparisons to Qantas, in the way the tail colour extends over the fuselage, makes me wonder if the tail will feature a redesigned eagle extending down the full length of the lighter grey area (like the QF 'roo), with billboard 'Amercian' titles along the front of the aircraft.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15813 posts, RR: 50 Reply 70, posted (7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 31932 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 62):
Clearly more forward thinking than SMI/J
Yes, if *only* UA kept its multiple brands, usually simultaneously on the same aircraft/hangar/ticket counter it would be in a much better place. The only people that care about the actual brand are people on a.net and those in branding. Consistency, however, is something people care about, whether it's the current silver bird or whatever abortion they replace it with
iFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 71, posted (7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 31602 times:
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 69):
Needs some red. Blue and Grey are the associated colors of the Civil War armies. Just sayin'.....
Its not the only reason it needs red. Almost every other airline from the U.S. has a blue tail and a grey/white fuselage (DL, UA, B6, US and even NK) and if they just want to blend in then yeah, they should do blue, but if they want to stand out they NEED more red!
Owleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 908 posts, RR: 2 Reply 73, posted (7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 31275 times:
A variation to design 1: a bit red added on tailfin and with 'American'-title in capital and lowercase. This is just speculative and own idea of a merge livery American Airlines and US Airways, based upon the basic livery already painted on the 777ER, here depicted on the Dreamliner. Non-official image!
This variation is looking pretty good!
The new cabin seats are navy blue with a touch of red at the very top, so that tail is very appropriate.
The lower case titles work better for me too personally. The all-caps don't look very friendly and welcoming from a passenger perspective.
If you didn't tell me otherwise, I would easily believe that were the real thing.
Except it's missing the "retro in approach" feel somebody claimed the new livery will have.
Owleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 908 posts, RR: 2 Reply 78, posted (7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 29867 times:
Quoting LostSound (Reply 77): If you didn't tell me otherwise, I would easily believe that were the real thing.
Except it's missing the "retro in approach" feel somebody claimed the new livery will have.
I haven't any clue what they are designing across the pond, and that is good. The more confidential, the nicer the new livery introduction will be.
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4684 posts, RR: 1 Reply 79, posted (7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28993 times:
What will be interesting is whether AA introduces the new livery at PAE or at DFW. If it's DFW, then either the plane has to leave PAE when the potential of photographs is low, or it has to get the rest of the livery painted elsewhere before the introduction.
When UA introduced the Saul Bass livery, it was during a UAL Corp. shareholders meeting at a hanger at ORD. I don't think UA said anything about a new livery, saying only that there was a significant announcement scheduled for the meeting.
Owleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 908 posts, RR: 2 Reply 80, posted (7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 28754 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 79): What will be interesting is whether AA introduces the new livery at PAE or at DFW. If it's DFW, then either the plane has to leave PAE when the potential of photographs is low, or it has to get the rest of the livery painted elsewhere before the introduction.
One photographer is enough. Better to move the plane during the night hours without tail fin spot lights of course. How to hide a big plane...
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 81, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 28145 times:
The livery presented by Owleye is just a FedEx copy, it can be more inspiring. Even so, I think that if AA and US will merge, they will keep the AA brand because it's just much better known around the world. US in the past also had a silver metallic livery just as AA has.
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4684 posts, RR: 1 Reply 82, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 28030 times:
Could AA take delivery of the 77W as it's currently painted, fly it to TUL, finish the painting there, and then ferry the aircraft after midnight to DFW and keep it in a hanger until the official introduction?
rj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1490 posts, RR: 2 Reply 83, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 28000 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 82): ould AA take delivery of the 77W as it's currently painted, fly it to TUL, finish the painting there, and then ferry the aircraft after midnight to DFW and keep it in a hanger until the official introduction?
I doubt it, because both Boeing AND AA will want to make a MASSIVE hoopla about it!
deltadc9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 85, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 27800 times:
Were they not forced to do this not only because of the 787, but because of the planes they will gain in the merger not having the type of aluminum meant to be polished to a mirror finish?
That and the reality that picking up second hand aircraft like Delta needs to be considered and they wont have the right skin either.
IIRC they tried to polish a plane that did not have the type of aluminum on thier poished fleet and it looked AWEFUL.
And yes, it will be hard to tell one of these above from a FexEx plane if that is the new livery.
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tistpaa727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 309 posts, RR: 2 Reply 87, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27548 times:
Quoting B727FA (Reply 86): I personally like the one with the grey eagle landing and then smaller red/blue eagle super imposed on it.
I really like the tail on this one. I just wonder if it is too subtle.
timf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 954 posts, RR: 1 Reply 88, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27432 times:
Quoting deltadc9 (Reply 85): Were they not forced to do this not only because of the 787, but because of the planes they will gain in the merger not having the type of aluminum meant to be polished to a mirror finish?
That and the reality that picking up second hand aircraft like Delta needs to be considered and they wont have the right skin either.
Regardless of whether or not there is a merger, AA is receiving a large number of Airbus narrowbodies that are meant to be painted. They already went through one merger with an airline that had painted aircraft (TW) and had no problem polishing those, but they were all Boeings. If they really wanted to they could have polished the A319s and A321s like they did the A300s, but they wouldn't have looked quite right.
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1218 posts, RR: 1 Reply 89, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27368 times:
iFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 90, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 27589 times:
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 91, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 27070 times:
Quoting Owleye (Reply 75): Checked and yes, it has a bit though it's not too close. Thanks for the comment. Maybe the best of two airlines look like this:
Since we are playing graphic designer here...I like what you have come up with the most, but I would reduce the size and thickness of the "American"...
4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0 Reply 92, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26847 times:
iFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 93, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26800 times:
Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 92): It's AMERICAN airlines it needs the traditional red , white, and blue.
There is red, white and blue. There are way too many airlines that have blue as their base color, their needs to be more red to stand out.
psa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 447 posts, RR: 20 Reply 96, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 26790 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6): That looks like the livery before the Astrojet livery, where the paint wrapped around the nose and the rudder and engine intakes were painted. Examples below.
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
This was the Astrojet livery. No paint on the nose, rudder or engine intakes.
Actually, the evolution of AA jet paint schemes is slightly more involved:
1. Jet Flagship scheme, introduced in 1959 with 707 JFK-LAX service. Re-introduced in 1999 on "retro" 757. This was the non-fan "water wagon" era.
2. Astrojet scheme #1, appeared in early 1960s as the first low-bypass fan jets were introduced. "Astrojet" began appearing on vertical stabilizers as seen below. Overall very similar to Jet Flagship scheme.
3. Astrojet scheme #2, introduced with 727-23 in 1964 (?) and adopted fleetwide, reintroduced on "retro" 737-800. No orange on nose, AA meatball replaces orange stripes on rudder, no color on engines.
4. Current scheme: introduced 1968, small variations over the decades. Had "Astrojet/Astroliner" then Luxury Jet/Luxury Liner" titles in late 1960s/early 1970s.
There was also at least one experimental scheme during the late 1960s, according to George Cearley's book.
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4684 posts, RR: 1 Reply 97, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 24165 times:
Since delivery of AA's first 77W is being delayed until January, then the question becomes as to when AA will introduce its new livery.
Logic says that after the 77W was shown in public, that all 738s Boeing delivered after would be in the new livery. So, does AA make the intoduction of the new livery with the first 738 that was scheduled for delivery after the 77W in November? Or, does it have Boeing continue to delivery 738s in the current livery until the 77W is actaully delivered in January?
It seems to me that AA probably had a timetable for starting to repaint aircraft, start changing the branding in airport terminals and concourses, and remake the website.
If AA starts rebranding with a 738 in late November or early December, the schedule is only off by a week or two. If AA waits until January, then it's almost 2 months.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 98, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 23976 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 97): Logic says that after the 77W was shown in public, that all 738s Boeing delivered after would be in the new livery. So, does AA make the intoduction of the new livery with the first 738 that was scheduled for delivery after the 77W in November? Or, does it have Boeing continue to delivery 738s in the current livery until the 77W is actaully delivered in January?
Seeing that the 77W will be AA's new flagship I assume that no other aircraft type will be painted in their new livery before their 77W is painted and entering commercial service. Remember that the 77W we have all seen now didn't have anything, just being a grey aircraft so nothing has been shown in public.
catdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 99, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 23818 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 97): Logic says that after the 77W was shown in public, that all 738s Boeing delivered after would be in the new livery. So, does AA make the intoduction of the new livery with the first 738 that was scheduled for delivery after the 77W in November? Or, does it have Boeing continue to delivery 738s in the current livery until the 77W is actaully delivered in January?
Is there a difference in the aluminum skin, on a 738 for example, if the final finish is going to be painted rather than polished? If yes, that could raise some issues over the next few months due to lead times for the fuselage assemblys.
LostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 100, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 24047 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 97):
If AA starts rebranding with a 738 in late November or early December, the schedule is only off by a week or two. If AA waits until January, then it's almost 2 months.
Not necessarily a bad thing though. January would be a great month to reveal the company's new look as it is the beginning of the new year. New year, new American.
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3274 posts, RR: 1 Reply 101, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 23644 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Well, Retro is the word of the day. I found a rendering of the 787 in the "astrojet" scheme.
IMHO, that's awful.
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
I'm hoping the change is a tasteful refresh on what we've got already
Please no!
The new AA needs a complete revamp and to move away from the old AA. No homage, no retro scheme. New, fresh, 21st century is what they need. Bare metal is just so last century. From what we've seen of the 77W so far, it looks like that's where they're moving.
Don't get me wrong, I really liked the current livery. But that was about 40 years ago.
I like the look on the 787 and would be cool if it was applied to the 777 fleet. I am kidding. The livery is great for the new 787 but I don't see it being great for the entire fleet. The new livery should be a combination of the old livery modernized for today's composite air frames. I don't want to see the current colours to disappear or the basic livery of the current scheme to be changed to something completely different.
iFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 102, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 23913 times:
Could they put off the 738 deliveries until the 77W delivery? Have them all happen at once so that they can 1) Reveal the new brand on multiple planes at the same time and 2) Not have anyone know what the new brand is until its on the new flagship and not have to worry about this problem.
Or would that screw up Boeing and their deliveries?
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4684 posts, RR: 1 Reply 103, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 23835 times:
Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 99): Is there a difference in the aluminum skin, on a 738 for example, if the final finish is going to be painted rather than polished? If yes, that could raise some issues over the next few months due to lead times for the fuselage assemblys.
One would assume that AA will eventually paint the entire fleet. Remember how AA had polished aircraft, except for the A300s, when they were first delivered by Airbus? It would look strange to have polished 772s, 757s, 763s, 738s, and MD-80s, while the 77Ws and A319s were painted.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 104, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 23621 times:
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 102): Could they put off the 738 deliveries until the 77W delivery? Have them all happen at once so that they can 1) Reveal the new brand on multiple planes at the same time and 2) Not have anyone know what the new brand is until its on the new flagship and not have to worry about this problem.
Or would that screw up Boeing and their deliveries?
I tend to think that this is negotiable and your idea does sound appealing from a PR and marketing point of view. Time will tell.
PDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 105, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 23537 times:
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 102): Could they put off the 738 deliveries until the 77W delivery? Have them all happen at once so that they can 1) Reveal the new brand on multiple planes at the same time and 2) Not have anyone know what the new brand is until its on the new flagship and not have to worry about this problem.
Or would that screw up Boeing and their deliveries?
AA isn't going to hold off receiving 5-6 brand new aircraft just so they can have the new livery. AA will continue to receive the new 738s in current/old colors, and can simply repaint them later. AA needs to keep on schedule of dumping the old MD80s ,
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16935 posts, RR: 57 Reply 106, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22699 times:
Quoting PDX88 (Reply 105): AA isn't going to hold off receiving 5-6 brand new aircraft just so they can have the new livery. AA will continue to receive the new 738s in current/old colors, and can simply repaint them later.
Oooh, expensive. Take a brand-new airframe and then have to repaint it before would be necessary for maintenance reasons?
No, I think they will roll out the 77W in new colors, but not do EIS until the F seats are installed.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1971 posts, RR: 3 Reply 107, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22703 times:
AA could just take delivery of 738s in the new base colours, with existing AA titles applied as decals. BA did this before launching the World tails, where the new base livery and font was used, but with the Landor tail. Everyone guessed something was coming logo wise (eventually the Speedmarque) by the fact the BA titles were below the windows on the interim scheme!
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3334 posts, RR: 14 Reply 108, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21993 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 106): Quoting PDX88 (Reply 105):
AA isn't going to hold off receiving 5-6 brand new aircraft just so they can have the new livery. AA will continue to receive the new 738s in current/old colors, and can simply repaint them later.
Oooh, expensive. Take a brand-new airframe and then have to repaint it before would be necessary for maintenance reasons?
I think what PDX88 meant to say was AA would still take delivery of 738s in the current (soon to be old) livery and repaint them only when their D checks will be due even if it is four or five years from now. When a large airline unveils a new livery on one airplane, it takes at least 4 years to repaint the whole fleet. I could be wrong, though, if they do decide to introduce it on a 738.
Ben Soriano
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rj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1490 posts, RR: 2 Reply 109, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21825 times:
Even the best laid plans don't always work out. They can always be changed. AA might've wanted to debut their new branding on the 77W, but that doesn't mean they can't do it on a 738.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16935 posts, RR: 57 Reply 110, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 21450 times:
Quoting American 767 (Reply 108): I think what PDX88 meant to say was AA would still take delivery of 738s in the current (soon to be old) livery and repaint them only when their D checks will be due even if it is four or five years from now.
Is a D-check every 4-5 years?
Keep in mind that doing painting during D-check doesn't save that much time. The aircraft must be intact to be painted, and the aircraft spends most of a D-check dismantled.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3334 posts, RR: 14 Reply 111, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 21005 times:
Antoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1509 posts, RR: 4 Reply 113, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20712 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 110): Keep in mind that doing painting during D-check doesn't save that much time. The aircraft must be intact to be painted, and the aircraft spends most of a D-check dismantled.
I think it's less to do with saving time and more to do with the paint job likely being damaged when you take an aircraft apart to that extend, so it's a good time to plan to repaint it anyway.
Make something Idiot-proof, and the Universe will make a more inept idiot.
"D Checks" were part of the MSG2 maintenance program, all aircraft in AA's fleet are managed under the MSG3 maintenance program and there is no "D Check" under MSG3 only C Check (3 day light C Check) and Heavy C Check (15day Heavy C Check) which is similar to but not the same as a D Check. The Heavy C Check interval on AA's 737s is approximately 5 years although it is hours driven. There is a proposal to ammend the 737 MSG3 to extend the HC interval by several thousand hours.
BTW there is no information internally about a new paint scheme, the 77W at boeing may be wearing a Oneworld variant paint scheme. Not sure why everyone thinks its a complete rebranding.
rj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1490 posts, RR: 2 Reply 115, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19947 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 114): BTW there is no information internally about a new paint scheme, the 77W at boeing may be wearing a Oneworld variant paint scheme. Not sure why everyone thinks its a complete rebranding.
If that's the case, then why hasn't it been completely painted?
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4684 posts, RR: 1 Reply 116, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19944 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 114): BTW there is no information internally about a new paint scheme, the 77W at boeing may be wearing a Oneworld variant paint scheme. Not sure why everyone thinks its a complete rebranding.
If this is a Oneworld paint scheme, then wouldn't it just be bare metal like the Oneworld 772? Considerirng that a Oneworld livery is a solid-colored fuselage (Eurowhite, bare metal, etc) with Oneworld lettering and the carrier's standard tail, that doesn't explain the white tail that wraps on the fuselage, with the rest of the fuselage in light gray.
Further, AA has said that a new scheme is coming, and someone on Part 1 of this thread said he had talked to a couple of HQ employees at AA who have seen renderings of the new scheme. What we have seen so far on the 77W is the start of the new paint scheme.
BTW, I know a few AA pilots, and they all seem to think that the 77W is getting the new paint scheme. They haven't seen anything from the company, but they just assume that management is being very tight-lipped, because they don't any any information leaked before the official introduction.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 117, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 20305 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 116): If this is a Oneworld paint scheme, then wouldn't it just be bare metal like the Oneworld 772? Considerirng that a Oneworld livery is a solid-colored fuselage (Eurowhite, bare metal, etc) with Oneworld lettering and the carrier's standard tail, that doesn't explain the white tail that wraps on the fuselage, with the rest of the fuselage in light gray.
Yes, member N737AA needs to take another look and a closer look at the AA 77W that just came out in BFI
LostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 118, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19894 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 114): Not sure why everyone thinks its a complete rebranding.
Somebody asked when the 777 will be fully painted on AAs fb page and they responded along the lines of "pretty soon, we will be sure to post plenty of photos and are anxious to get the new brand out."
N737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 119, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19390 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 116): Further, AA has said that a new scheme is coming,
I've seen no official announcement within the company just speculation here.
I took delivery of AA aircraft at BFI for many years and still am in contact with the folks there.....all of this is speculation plAAne and simple. There are not that many secrets in a company this large.
LDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 780 posts, RR: 5 Reply 120, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19189 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 119): Facebook huh? Must be true then....
One would think that AA's facebook page is run by the marketing department. I think they would know just a little about a new brand.
deltadc9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 121, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19023 times:
Quoting catdaddy63 (Reply 99): Is there a difference in the aluminum skin, on a 738 for example, if the final finish is going to be painted rather than polished? If yes, that could raise some issues over the next few months due to lead times for the fuselage assemblys.
According to a thread here maybe 5 years ago, cant find it, yes there is a difference and when they tried to polish a plane with skin intended to be painted it looked really bad.
There was a picture of this attempt and it looked like a can of diet coke, kinda shiney but blurry hazey.
While I was contradicted above, I still think the info in that thread was correct. They do have a problem polishing aircraft not ordered with that skin.
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LostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 122, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19581 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 119): Facebook huh? Must be true then....
Considering it's American Airlines' official Facebook page run by the company, I'd assume they aren't tossing out false information arbitrarily about the company.
American would keep any info on this new brand out of reach from many of it's employees to keep this under wraps. It's doable and clearly seeing staff don't know much about, it's working pretty well.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3334 posts, RR: 14 Reply 123, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18604 times:
Quoting deltadc9 (Reply 121): They do have a problem polishing aircraft not ordered with that skin.
It reminds me of all the issues they had with the A300s. Remember when those were originally painted in gray during the 90s, because Airbus would not want to deliver planes with a polished metal skin, and by the early 2000s American ended up removing the paint and polish them.
Look at Northwest, look at GermanWings...how they used to paint their A319s with Silver metal paint. I would have guessed that s how the new A319s at American will be like, but now that a new livery is coming, who knows?
"Aimer jusqu'a l'impossible, c'est possible". Tina Arena.
AA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 124, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18597 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 119): I've seen no official announcement within the company just speculation here.
Though this topic is hotly disputed, Horton has said in multiple interviews that AA is planning a branding/livery change of some kind.
Here, in an interview with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
Quote:
ST: As the company emerges from bankruptcy, will American change their livery and brand image?
Horton: As you know our new 787s are composite so they can't be polished metal. That's a physical fact and the new Airbuses have a whole lot of composite on them as well. So I think I’ve already said this so I’ll say it again here, I think that dictates that our airplanes will have to have some paint on them and you're just going to have to stay tuned on that. We've been doing a lot of thinking about it. Not just the look of the livery but what the brand should be and stand for as we come out of this as the new American. We've put a couple of years of work into that and it's nearing completion.
I really don't think things can get much clearer than that.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16935 posts, RR: 57 Reply 125, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18381 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 119): I've seen no official announcement within the company just speculation here.
Pretty solid speculation given the fact that the new scheme is already partially painted on the first frame to carry it. Given the fact that the CEO has said that they are re-branding. Given the fact that the company's official communications outlets (yes, including their official FB page) have said they're rebranding.
So no official "announcement," no. But official communications, yes. And I only say that because an "announcement" usually takes the form of a high-ranking company official holding a press conference and unveiling the new brand.
N737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 126, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17461 times:
Hmmm.....I guess I don't know anything even though my paycheck says AMR on it. Rebranding can mean many things. The largest effort in this rebranding is customer focus and creature comforts, i.e. the new interiors that the 77W will be getting and by the way is the reason for the delayed delivery of 7LA. There are many paint options out there to deal with the composite structure of the B787 and we already have a proven method for buffing the type of aluminum used by Airbus, but this time they won't need the paint stripped and additional work due to paint prep that the A300's got. Totally different situation.
I would offer that folks here take a good look at QF's paint scheme.....very similar lines.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8008 posts, RR: 27 Reply 127, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17235 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 126): I guess I don't know anything even though my paycheck says AMR on it.
Haha that doesn't surprise me. When I worked for DAL we were the last people to know anything about what DAL was doing. I think that's pretty SOP in the industry...
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3055 posts, RR: 3 Reply 128, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16932 times:
Quoting N766UA (Reply 127): Haha that doesn't surprise me. When I worked for DAL we were the last people to know anything about what DAL was doing. I think that's pretty SOP in the industry...
Front line employees are typically the last to know anything about anything.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 129, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16932 times:
I saw an article last night (and failed to copy it) however it indicated a several week delay because the first class seating vendor is late. So I suspect we will not see the plane painted this month.
N737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 131, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16648 times:
Quoting N766UA (Reply 127): Haha that doesn't surprise me. When I worked for DAL we were the last people to know anything about what DAL was doing. I think that's pretty SOP in the industry...
Quoting 777STL (Reply 128): Front line employees are typically the last to know anything about anything.
I guess you didn't see this post then........
Quoting N737AA (Reply 119): I took delivery of AA aircraft at BFI for many years and still am in contact with the folks there
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16935 posts, RR: 57 Reply 132, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16447 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 128): Front line employees are typically the last to know anything about anything.
Loose lips sink ships. The more lips that know about it, the more likely that a pair of them will be loose. Someone has already blabbed a few hints.
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 8 Reply 133, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15492 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 114): BTW there is no information internally about a new paint scheme, the 77W at boeing may be wearing a Oneworld variant paint scheme. Not sure why everyone thinks its a complete rebranding.[/quote
See below:
[quote=ckfred,reply=116]Further, AA has said that a new scheme is coming, and someone on Part 1 of this thread said he had talked to a couple of HQ employees at AA who have seen renderings of the new scheme. What we have seen so far on the 77W is the start of the new paint scheme.
I've heard the same from AA management at MIA that a new corporate identity is forthcoming.
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1642 posts, RR: 11 Reply 134, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15321 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 119): There are not that many secrets in a company this large.
Absolutely right. Everybody at this company talks, and things don't stay secret for long.
Has anybody been around PAE lately and laid eyes on the aircraft itself? Any changes to the grey fuselage/white tail section?
Right now there is an AA MD-80 flying over my house.
Quoting N737AA:
There are not that many secrets in a company this large.
Absolutely right. Everybody at this company talks, and things don't stay secret for long.
Well, AA has done a pretty good job so far, judging by how on edge everyone is concerning the new image. I can think of some other secrets that were either figured out or outright stated here on A.net before the official word.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 136, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15190 times:
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 134): Has anybody been around PAE lately and laid eyes on the aircraft itself? Any changes to the grey fuselage/white tail section?
I suspect that the aircraft painting will wait until the seat issue is resolved and the B & C flights are complete. Then they will refuel and slip into the Paint Hanger. Sometimes they even put extra security on the building to prevent leaks. Then in the middle of the night it will roll out, fuel, and depart at sun up.
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1642 posts, RR: 11 Reply 137, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14798 times:
I'm considering flying to SEA later this week, just to go to PAE and see if I can get a glimpse of it. I'm really excited for this plane to join our fleet, so I was rather disappointed to hear of the 7 week delay! Wish they could get things sorted out.. For now I guess we just get to wait!
Right now there is an AA MD-80 flying over my house.
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4684 posts, RR: 1 Reply 138, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13127 times:
Someone may also want to check out BFI to see if any 738s for AA are being done in the current livery, or if there are planes with AA N-numbers that also have the same gray base as the 77W at PAE.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 139, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13370 times:
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 141, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12998 times:
I think even if there was a change planned for the 737s, they will revert to the old paint scheme until the 777 is ready. It will make a better public relations splash .. big plane, new model, tra la... ..
flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 142, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13076 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 104): I tend to think that this is negotiable and your idea does sound appealing from a PR and marketing point of view. Time will tell.
Quoting kanban (Reply 141): I think even if there was a change planned for the 737s, they will revert to the old paint scheme until the 777 is ready. It will make a better public relations splash .. big plane, new model, tra la... ..
According to the AA website, they will be taking new build Airbus and Boeing narrowbody airplanes with revamped interiors and AVOD IFE starting next year. I think it's safe to assume that those airplanes will be the ones that have the new livery.
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N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8008 posts, RR: 27 Reply 143, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12957 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 131): I guess you didn't see this post then........
Quoting N737AA (Reply 119):
I took delivery of AA aircraft at BFI for many years and still am in contact with the folks there
I did, but the fact that AA's top managers have confirmed a new livery is iminent seems to call into question the totality of your knowledge of the company's dealings. It's not "just speculation." All due respect, of course.
N737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0 Reply 144, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12934 times:
Quoting N766UA (Reply 143): I did, but the fact that AA's top managers have confirmed a new livery is iminent seems to call into question the totality of your knowledge of the company's dealings. It's not "just speculation." All due respect, of course.
Who are these top Managers and what is your relationship with them? Be specific.
I talked to my coworker at BFI and he confirmed (obviously) that 7AL is indeed going to have a paint scheme that is different than the current livery but he also said not to read to much into it. He said he couldn't say what the scheme details were but it is a marketing campaign something along the lines of the other special paint schemes such as the 757-1959 international orange livery, 737-astrojet, 777/757-Susan G. Komen for the Cure pink ribbon, and 757/767-flagship independance/support our troops and each of the OneWorld aircaft.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 145, posted (7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12882 times:
AA's current scheme is simple, modern and timeless IMO. While it might be interesting to see them update it, I highly doubt anything they come up with will be BETTER. It will probably only just be different.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16935 posts, RR: 57 Reply 146, posted (7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12878 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 144): Who are these top Managers and what is your relationship with them? Be specific.
The top manager is the CEO and he said so during a public interview.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 150, posted (7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12894 times:
while we drool over what if's, we know something from the silver /grey primer application .. so it would be nice to see ideas that utilize that knowledge.
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11438 posts, RR: 50 Reply 152, posted (7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13314 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 145): AA's current scheme is simple, modern and timeless IMO.
Well, one out of three isn't bad - it is simple. It was modern 35 years ago but its time has passed. As was shown in Part 1, because the planes are being polished less frequently, they are all starting to looky very tatty.
The new AA needs something that's says "21st century" and "professional" and, frankly, draws a line under the old AA.
kjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 975 posts, RR: 8 Reply 154, posted (7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13854 times:
While traveling out of LGA this afternoon, I noticed that one self service kiosk at check-in had a much different design than the others. I wonder if this is any indication of the upcoming rebranding?
jayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1001 posts, RR: 4 Reply 156, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13264 times:
Quoting kjet12 (Reply 154): While traveling out of LGA this afternoon, I noticed that one self service kiosk at check-in had a much different design than the others. I wonder if this is any indication of the upcoming rebranding?
Well I guess you might be correct! That certainly looks very different without any presence of Red or darker blue.
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10225 posts, RR: 62 Reply 159, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13198 times:
Quoting kjet12 (Reply 154): While traveling out of LGA this afternoon, I noticed that one self service kiosk at check-in had a much different design than the others. I wonder if this is any indication of the upcoming rebranding?
I agree - that looks like either the intentional or inadvertent trial balloon of a new branding. And based on that tiny little glimpse, if it is that, I like what I see. The core logo (upper left corner) appears to be retained, and that font looks quite nice - hopefully AA is finally moving entirely away from serif fonts for everything.
jsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1867 posts, RR: 16 Reply 160, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13156 times:
Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 158):
I like the new font on the screen! The bold navy-blue all capital letters of recent years never appealed to me.
Can't agree with you enough. The all-caps bold letters have become so tiresome. It's so simplistic and unimaginative - an accurate assessment of things at AA these days. It's like having someone shout at you, except they're shouting something boring. I particularly love seeing the all-caps ads shouting at me about lie-flat business class seats while I wait to board yet another cramped, grubby ERJ for a flight at ORD.
I'm a die-hard AA fan and I can't wait to see the relaunched brand. Even if the livery is only slightly tweaked, I'd love to see a general refresh of the rest of their brand collateral - advertisements, gate areas, uniforms, etc. The snapshot of the check-in kiosk is encouraging. They have a powerful (albeit very tired and tarnished) brand, and can rebuild a lot of brand capital very quickly if they get this right.
skedguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 133 posts, RR: 2 Reply 161, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13133 times:
Quoting commavia (Reply 159): I agree - that looks like either the intentional or inadvertent trial balloon of a new branding. And based on that tiny little glimpse, if it is that, I like what I see. The core logo (upper left corner) appears to be retained, and that font looks quite nice - hopefully AA is finally moving entirely away from serif fonts for everything.
FWIW, the gray banding at the upper left corner of the screen bears an uncanny resemblance to the white / gray lines we've seen on the 77W. Could this indeed be an intentional test of the new branding? I have a hunch...
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 8 Reply 162, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13023 times:
The theories regarding the new image on the self-service machines makes sense. A similar screen displays when the machine is out of service due to a technical or mechanical error.
An update to the machine software was supposed to be released this week but was postponed indefinitely... perhaps it was to reflect the new corporate identity and has been delayed until the rollout of the 77W.
HOMsAR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 827 posts, RR: 0 Reply 163, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12987 times:
Quoting skedguy (Reply 161): FWIW, the gray banding at the upper left corner of the screen bears an uncanny resemblance to the white / gray lines we've seen on the 77W. Could this indeed be an intentional test of the new branding? I have a hunch...
I'm thinking it's just a reflection of ambient light around the screen.
miaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1 Reply 164, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13423 times:
Perhaps they got spy's in here and they are monitoring this thread and they are laughing their ass off when they read this thread.
I think they are holding on this base coat until the dates are set for the new brand's introduction. Like they would use this AC in the event etc...
timf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 954 posts, RR: 1 Reply 166, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13043 times:
Quoting HOMsAR (Reply 163): I'm thinking it's just a reflection of ambient light around the screen.
I had to take another look but I'd say you are probably right. The bright area extends beyond the edge of the screen. If you look a the right side of the screen where the white areas are obviously the reflection of overhead lights, they have a similar appearance.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 167, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13384 times:
Quoting skedguy (Reply 161): FWIW, the gray banding at the upper left corner of the screen bears an uncanny resemblance to the white / gray lines we've seen on the 77W. Could this indeed be an intentional test of the new branding? I have a hunch...
Yes, AA indeed must be laughing their ass off with this thread
skedguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 133 posts, RR: 2 Reply 168, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13124 times:
Quoting timf (Reply 166): Quoting HOMsAR (Reply 163):
I'm thinking it's just a reflection of ambient light around the screen.
I had to take another look but I'd say you are probably right. The bright area extends beyond the edge of the screen. If you look a the right side of the screen where the white areas are obviously the reflection of overhead lights, they have a similar appearance.
Upon second look, you guys might be right. Maybe the original poster, kjet12, can confirm one way or the other.
kjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 975 posts, RR: 8 Reply 169, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13117 times:
There is some reflection from the overhead lights. The screen is mainly blue and white, but there is no grey on the screen. The "AmericanAirlines" in the upper left screen is a grey text, but the background is white. Sorry for the confusion with the reflection.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 170, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13093 times:
Quoting kjet12 (Reply 169): There is some reflection from the overhead lights. The screen is mainly blue and white, but there is no grey on the screen. The "AmericanAirlines" in the upper left screen is a grey text, but the background is white. Sorry for the confusion with the reflection.
So we now know that we mustn't look into this self service screen a lot as the 77W is grey and not white. The American Airlines titles can also not be grey, otherwise the name will not be readible on the grey fuselage.
As I have said before, there is nothing new about that screen as it doesn't show anything. Do you really think that AA would put a self service kiosk with anything new regarding their upcoming corporate brand change and not use their upcoming new flagship, the 77W? There is no logic behind that.
HOMsAR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 827 posts, RR: 0 Reply 171, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13117 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 170):
So we now know that we mustn't look into this self service screen a lot as the 77W is grey and not white. The American Airlines titles can also not be grey, otherwise the name will not be readible on the grey fuselage.
Just had a thought. Maybe the titles *are* grey, on a grey background. The tail logo is white.
The logo and paint scheme are extremely awesome, but you can't see them because they blend in with the rest of the paint!
kjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 975 posts, RR: 8 Reply 172, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13105 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 170): As I have said before, there is nothing new about that screen as it doesn't show anything.
It may not be a reflection of the 77W livery itself, but this screen is such a departure from the typical branding that is AA. Normally the SSM screens show various aircraft images with the bold Helvetica font in all caps. Perhaps there are elements of the new branding on there, perhaps not. Either way, this screen image on this screen is very different than any other AA branding I have seen.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5375 posts, RR: 47 Reply 173, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13410 times:
What if this is the completed livery? Times are tough, the carrier needs to save money...
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8008 posts, RR: 27 Reply 175, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13008 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 157): Yes, it looks so different that it actually doesn't tell you anything.
LOL that's what I thought. If you'd shown me that picture without telling me there was something different about it, I'd have no idea. It looks like it belongs with the current livery to me.
jalapeno From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 179, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13172 times:
Quoting usair330 (Reply 177): After looking at that pic I hope this isn't what they had in mind.
FSXJunkie From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 180, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13214 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 178): After looking at that pic I hope this isn't what they had in mind.
Seems too bland, here's mine
crude AANC
Seriously, the way they did the tail makes me think it'll end up being a play on Qantas' livery, a silhouetted eagle will be on the tail and the brand will have "American" in red white & blue outlined in black
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8008 posts, RR: 27 Reply 184, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12872 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 181): Since when did this thread turn into a "lets see who can make the most ridiculous AA livery on MS-Paint" Competition?
The more appropriate question is why didn't it do so sooner?!
usair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 186, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12916 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 181): "lets see who can make the most ridiculous AA livery on MS-Paint" Competition?
garpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 4 Reply 187, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13140 times:
Here's my interpretation of what is in store going purely from the many pictures of the strange half finished livery we have seen so far.
I do not profess these to be likeable, great, good, perfect or crap designs in anyway. I just used the pictures we've all seen as a starting point and came to what I found to be the most logical design using current trends as a guide.
You'll have to keep waiting. I was at Boeing yesterday and this ship is still sitting in the same spot looking exactly the same. However the second 773 for AA is also out in the open without any paint
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 189, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12779 times:
I would note be surprised to see a red, white and blue thin swoosh water line like the new United gold line.
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2498 posts, RR: 21 Reply 192, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12766 times:
that's the swoosh waterline I envision.. the only problem I have with everybody's blue fin and rudder is the rudder is white and to paint and balance it will require removal.
4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0 Reply 193, posted (7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12740 times:
The bottom airplane with the red cheat line is a great livery idea! Only thing is that the AA titles are a little small especially for a 773.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3334 posts, RR: 14 Reply 201, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12960 times:
Just one comment to the design in reply 194, I think that the eagle logo should not be redesigned and be kept as it is now. Other than that, the proposed livery looks very good.
The ones whose link is posted in reply 196 are nice also.
Thanks 777way .
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"Aimer jusqu'a l'impossible, c'est possible". Tina Arena.
Given that all we know so far is that it has a QF style tale, I think that a giant eagle like that is very likely. Since it is a white tail, I would guess that it is going to be in Eagle red and white. All blue would just be too boring for words!
aacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 445 posts, RR: 1 Reply 205, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13015 times:
A pic of the new scheme has been going around at ops and somebody had it on a flight the other day. I have not seen it, but its supposed to be very nice for what I was told
liftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 206, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12845 times:
^ yes. I do hope it's very nice, considering American's planes will carry this for most likely the next decade or two.
TSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2884 posts, RR: 5 Reply 207, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12834 times:
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 202): Can someone make something with more red? There is way too much blue in the sky, AA needs some red to stand out, and they could do it well
Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
See reply #195 for details.
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American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3334 posts, RR: 14 Reply 208, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12839 times:
Quoting liftsifter (Reply 206): American's planes will carry this for most likely the next decade or two.
Maybe even three.
The current (soon to be old) livery has been carried for four decades. No other airline has kept a same livery for 40 years or more, but I'm not positive about that so if you think of one let me know.
Air France has been carrying its classic bar code livery for three decades, until they modified it slightly at the end of the 2000s.
Some airlines, like Delta, change their liveries sometimes after not even 10 years, but others keep the same one for over 30 years.
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liftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 209, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12828 times:
Technically, the changes made to Pan Am's livery over time were so minor that the company basically never changed the livery. RJ has had the same livery for quite some time, except for the small changes made in 2008. Lots of airlines that have good liveries would prefer to keep them as opposed to repaining an entire fleet and having half the fleet in one livery and half in another. Delta was a mess when they first introduced the current livery.
Giancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 212, posted (7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12824 times:
I keep checking this thread every day to see how AA will butcher their livery. I definitely think its time for a change but after all the recent liveries from JAL to Finnair and the ridiculous United/Continental merger scheme I hold zero hope of American getting it right lol. Hope they do something nice though.
CAAC / CA has been using the blue-double cheatline since the early 1970‘s, although it probably is not as old as AA's current livery, it is pretty old as well.
However, CA's 1970's livery is just a slightly modified version of their livery on the Ilyushins, and that dates back to the late 1950's and early 1960's.
aacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 445 posts, RR: 1 Reply 215, posted (7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 12831 times:
Now that we move closer to the unveiling date. I have been looking at the employee web site and there is a small banner there that keeps popping up, it is part white and part silver grey. It says Uniquely American........ I wonder if they have been giving us signs of whats going to happen already without us knowing. It popped up in two places when I opened the page today. No red or blue. Just white and ............ Or they could just be generalizing everything before the announcement.
YYZBound From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0 Reply 216, posted (7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 12808 times:
Quoting aacun (Reply 215): Now that we move closer to the unveiling date. I have been looking at the employee web site and there is a small banner there that keeps popping up, it is part white and part silver grey. It says Uniquely American........ I wonder if they have been giving us signs of whats going to happen already without us knowing. It popped up in two places when I opened the page today. No red or blue. Just white and ............ Or they could just be generalizing everything before the announcement.
To add to that...I was in between flights in ORD yesterday, and on the monitors was a new ad message : "Twice the miles, twice the thank yous"...and it was in white and silvery grey ..no blue or red...with the font we saw on the kiosk pic in an earlier posting. It stood out from the intense block lettering of the other ads.
I think everybody's guesses on here are quite amusing! Talk about trying to interpret a livery from a title-less and logo-less battleship-grey primer coat on an aircraft...it's hard to read too much into this! miaskies photo is interesting but let's be honest, it doesn't give much away!
Let's look at the facts, AA is in a dire financial state but IS in need of an overhauled image. And yet they are very attached to their rich history and legacy. So, in my opinion, a new livery change will be fresh but will have updated familiar elements, perhaps including variations on the logo and font of the titles. And I really doubt the final color of the fuselage will be this dark gray although a small splash of color could go a long way to changing the initial perception (the red, white and blue cheatline is probably history). All of the high-color examples people on here are proposing are just not going to happen - an all-blue tail with nice AA logo, sure it looks lovely, but I really doubt AA will making such a radical change.
Time will tell. But don't set expectations for the moon.
This is definitely not a primer coat. If we take a look at the excellent photo that Sabian 404 provided, we can see that the fuselage is a very light grey, with very dark grey used around the doors:
My 2 cents says that you will see a larger eagle on the tail. My hope is that a full eagle is used on the tail if that happens, and not one that uses "negative space" (too big for the tail). As far as hints to retro, it would be cool to see the heritage eagle used.
Sad to see the cheatlines go, as this is one of the few carriers that can truly claim a "heritage" colourscheme with it's long-running current colours.
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rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1470 posts, RR: 2 Reply 220, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12505 times:
Another thing I noticed from Sabian404's photo, was the use of a yellow-orange for the numbers 77-3 on the front landing gear doors.... Is that standard AA practice, or a retro-conincidence??
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OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 8 Reply 221, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12524 times:
Quoting kjet12 (Reply 154): While traveling out of LGA this afternoon, I noticed that one self service kiosk at check-in had a much different design than the others. I wonder if this is any indication of the upcoming rebranding?
Update: The new self-service machine (SSM) software went live on Monday, and is certainly much more aesthetically pleasing. I'm hoping it'll tie in to the new livery.
PDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 222, posted (7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12513 times:
Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 220): Another thing I noticed from Sabian404's photo, was the use of a yellow-orange for the numbers 77-3 on the front landing gear doors.... Is that standard AA practice, or a retro-conincidence??
It's going to become standard on every AA aircraft (with the corresponding code) in the coming years. Has nothing to do specifically with the 773 or the new livery.
TC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 347 posts, RR: 0 Reply 226, posted (7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12326 times:
I think that's the next SV one HZ-AK16. However, on the fuel dock line-up at PAE did I see one with a blue rudder ? Or is this the first SU 77W just rolled-out ? If it's N718AN, then that might be another hint of the new scheme.
aacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 445 posts, RR: 1 Reply 232, posted (7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12472 times:
Can someone confirm what the problem with the FC seat is? I heard a rumor but I am not supposed to comment on it. And I cant verify it so I wouldnt anyway.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3334 posts, RR: 14 Reply 235, posted (7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12398 times:
Quoting dtw757 (Reply 234): The second 777-300 is definitely built and here it is as I saw it on Saturday
How do you know this one is for American? Other airlines also have 77Ws on order: Emirates, Cathay...
Did you talk to a Boeing employee? That's the only way I can think of you would be sure it is for American.
Anyway, it must be an outstanding airplane. I'm looking forward to see it in the new livery soon to be unveiled.
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'7LB' is an internal nose # for AA's second 77W. Since that's already painted on the nose gear, it's a pretty good indication that bird is going to AA. For the record, the first 77W's nose # is 7LA. At any rate, the first 77W is registered N717AN, while the second is N718AN.
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