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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 3  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

Hello all, autumn is finally upon us! (or whatever we call "autumn", it's still high 80s around here!)

Our third thread this year, and some lively conversation going on!

On the docket this time around:
UA possibly sending the 787 to PHX tomorrow?
Winter snowbird flights/seasonal flights commencing
DL sending the 767 for one of its ATL flights
Rumors about the US/AA merger (I Haven't heard too much recently, due to AA's troubles)
The Skytrain seems to be going along quite nicely! They have so much going on over by Terminal 3 right now.

From the last thread:

Quoting PHX787:
Quoting chrisair (Reply 272):
By the way, does anyone know why an AeroSur 744 is sitting at TUS? It's over by Atlantic Aviation.

Do you have the registration number? It could be a transfer from MZJ or something.

See you guys at SkyHarbor, and Go Devils!   

PHX787

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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10421 times:

Does anyone know how NK is doing on DEN-AZA? Also how is F9 on future loads doing on AZA-DEN? NK ORD-AZA?

Hoping LAX or SAN are next from AZA

[Edited 2012-10-22 18:51:54]

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10406 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):

I see. I'll keep checking in with the PHXSpotters page on FB. They have not mentioned anything sense, but Treebeard I think you'd probably know more about this before I would, so if you do find something, please let us know!

Well, UA didn't fly the 787 into PHX today, they had their 787 do a IAH-SFO-IAH run today. Hopefully it will still pay a visit to PHX at some point.



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User currently onlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10355 times:

It would great to see flights out of Gateway to San Diego. 5 min drive from Chandler vs. 30 mins to Sky Harbor and then dealing with terminal 4 security.   

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10352 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 2):
Well, UA didn't fly the 787 into PHX today, they had their 787 do a IAH-SFO-IAH run today. Hopefully it will still pay a visit to PHX at some point.

Yeah I saw them post it on the PHX Spotters page. Disappointing indeed.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 1):
Hoping LAX or SAN are next from AZA

You know what maybe SAN makes more sense on this list first. Does G4 fly to LAX from AZA?



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 567 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10261 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 2):

Well, UA didn't fly the 787 into PHX today, they had their 787 do a IAH-SFO-IAH run today. Hopefully it will still pay a visit to PHX at some point.

Hopefully we will get to see this sometime soon. i just hope it is a day that I have off from work.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 1):
Hoping LAX or SAN are next from AZA

You know what maybe SAN makes more sense on this list first. Does G4 fly to LAX from AZA?

G4 does not fly to any city in Calif. from AZA. They used to fly to Stockton but that was a long time ago. I would think NK maybe would hope AZA-Cali routes. I think G4 only flies to SAN through BLI, thats it plus G4 ops are tight in LAX so I don't see any new routes starting in LAX



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 6):
G4 does not fly to any city in Calif. from AZA. They used to fly to Stockton but that was a long time ago. I would think NK maybe would hope AZA-Cali routes. I think G4 only flies to SAN through BLI, thats it plus G4 ops are tight in LAX so I don't see any new routes starting in LAX

G4 flies AZA-OAK but thats it for California by G4. AZA-SCK hasn't been flown since 2007.
With all the daily flights on PHX-LAX right now I just don't see anyone making AZA-LAX a viable route. AZA-SAN I could see working well with NK.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10142 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 7):
G4 flies AZA-OAK but thats it for California by G4

My mistake, I forgot that they were flying that route. Thank you for that correction. I do agree with you, AZA-SAN would be a good fit for NK



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10141 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 8):
My mistake, I forgot that they were flying that route. Thank you for that correction. I do agree with you, AZA-SAN would be a good fit for NK

How often does NK operate their current routes in AZA? Daily? A few times per week?

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 5):
Hopefully we will get to see this sometime soon. i just hope it is a day that I have off from work.

Why do you think UA would fly it here anyway? When PHXSpotters announced that on their FB page last week I was completely surprised, because we rarely ever see UA widebodies here. Besides the 764 being used as a charter a few weeks back, I think the largest aircraft UA regularly cycles through here, especially during the peak months here in PHX, is a 757, right?



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 567 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Why do you think UA would fly it here anyway? When PHXSpotters announced that on their FB page last week I was completely surprised, because we rarely ever see UA widebodies here. Besides the 764 being used as a charter a few weeks back, I think the largest aircraft UA regularly cycles through here, especially during the peak months here in PHX, is a 757, right?

The only thing I can think of is that United wanted to have all stations familiar with the 787 as well as this could be a good way to train the crews on how to handle the 787. Other than that I do not have the foggiest as you are correct about UA's 737, 319, RJ operations in PHX is SOP..


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10043 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
How often does NK operate their current routes in AZA? Daily? A few times per week?

DEN and DFW are at 1x daily and ORD is I think is going to start out at 5x weekly.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 11):
DEN and DFW are at 1x daily and ORD is I think is going to start out at 5x weekly.

That ORD flight will probably become daily quite soon. My buddy used NK to come back to Mesa from ORD and connected through LAS (when they still had that flight.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 10):
The only thing I can think of is that United wanted to have all stations familiar with the 787 as well as this could be a good way to train the crews on how to handle the 787.

Could PHX request the 787 to come here so the ground crews can be trained in handling the a/c in the desert? Just a thought  

Also: where's a good place to spot at AZA?



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 567 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9983 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):

Could PHX request the 787 to come here so the ground crews can be trained in handling the a/c in the desert? Just a thought

Yes, but there were at AZA for hot weather testing as well as the 747-8. I do not think October/November's 80 degree days are "hot" days.

I would think it is more of "see our new toy" and familiarization of the plane for all involved.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Also: where's a good place to spot at AZA?

Never shot at AWA, but I would say that you could go to the Park and Ride area at the end of 12C. The Cessna parking lot could give you something, but that is privet property and I think you would get booted quickly. I miss the day of pulling up to the parking lot and shooting over the fence from the back of the truck.


User currently onlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9981 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Could PHX request the 787 to come here so the ground crews can be trained in handling the a/c in the desert?

Because hooking up a ground air hose is really hard to do any other place?



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9971 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Also: where's a good place to spot at AZA?

There is a park with a hill right next the FBO, a good view of the FBO ramp and runways.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 14):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Could PHX request the 787 to come here so the ground crews can be trained in handling the a/c in the desert?

Because hooking up a ground air hose is really hard to do any other place?

LOL.
I think the only time we will ever see the 787 in PHX is because it is a charter or diversion. I would like to see the 787 in PHX but not holding my breath.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9922 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 15):
I think the only time we will ever see the 787 in PHX is because it is a charter or diversion. I would like to see the 787 in PHX but not holding my breath.

Like I keep saying, I definitely see one of the Japanese airlines, either NH or JL, bringing the 787 here once they get their fleet topped out. IMO a perfect aircraft for such a route, and you'd be surprised of the demand there is here.

You know this reminds me, I was going through some stuff on my computer the other day when I was sick, and I recently did a quick yet unofficial poll of some of the people I know who may be interested in such a route.

I asked about 100 people this: 1) How do you normally get to Asia if you're traveling there, and almost all say LAX-NRT and about 60% of those say NRT is their final destination.
2) Would you fly a PHX-NRT direct route if such a route was given? and the response was an overwhelming yes.
3) Would price matter for such a route? And about 10% said yes, and 80% said no. 10 said unsure.
4) Do you think this would be a good route for the businesses here in Arizona? and the overwhelming response was yes.

So obviously people involved with japan would be very enthusiastic about such a route. In order to make this poll more credible, I'm going to email someone I know in the statistics department at ASU and see if I can get them to create a "scientific poll" regarding this.

If DEN can support a Japanese route, I think we can too, because we have a Star hub (or could be a O.W. hub if US merges) and we also have quite a large city and lots of business opportunities here  
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 15):
There is a park with a hill right next the FBO, a good view of the FBO ramp and runways.
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 13):

thanks guys



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User currently onlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9898 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 16):
IMO a perfect aircraft for such a route, and you'd be surprised of the demand there is here.

I don't think it's a matter of being able to fill the planes or not; between the local demand and the ability to connect passengers beyond Tokyo, that shouldn't be a problem at all. I think two big things that has kept NRT from launching is that the airline currently best suited to fly that route has been somewhat limited in its long haul equipment over the last few years, and the returns relative to other route opportunities aren't exactly attracting a lot of attention from anyone else at the moment. Someone is bound to start it eventually though so long as the economy continues to mature in the Valley, and as you indicated, aircraft like the 787 are a good fit for routes like these and probably greatly increase our chances here.  

Check your PM inbox, by the way.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9886 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 17):
Check your PM inbox, by the way.

Thanks, I appreciate it!

Quoting wn676 (Reply 17):
Someone is bound to start it eventually though so long as the economy continues to mature in the Valley, and as you indicated, aircraft like the 787 are a good fit for routes like these and probably greatly increase our chances here.

You're right, and I'm not talking about an immediate announcement, I can feasibly see it down the road in about 5 years, say if the economy picks back up and PHX begins to expand wildly again, without me being totally surprised. I'd be really surprised if the route was to be announced between tomorrow and the next 2 or 3 years ...
(pleasantly of course.....oh, who am I kidding, I'd be joyously celebrating with champagne and Asian women       )



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 567 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9849 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):

You're right, and I'm not talking about an immediate announcement, I can feasibly see it down the road in about 5 years, say if the economy picks back up and PHX begins to expand wildly again, without me being totally surprised. I'd be really surprised if the route was to be announced between tomorrow and the next 2 or 3 years ...

One also has to wonder if JAL going into SAN is a judge on smaller markets. I would also wonder if JAL would do a version of the BA LHR-PHX-SAN, but do NRT-SAN-PHX?

I agree that we will probably not see a 787 anytime soon, but we all can hope....

What will BA use once they retire the 747? I know they have the 380 on order, but I would think that the 777 would be coming back to PHX with the retirement of the 744. Talking to some British nationals the other day on top of T-4 they said that the flights are almost always full.


User currently offlineRavenTech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9832 times:

Assuming that the yeilds are good on LHR-PHX then I would imagine they would go 777-300ER or if the go 200 then they probably add a couple flights per week to maintain capacity.

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9790 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 19):
What will BA use once they retire the 747? I know they have the 380 on order, but I would think that the 777 would be coming back to PHX with the retirement of the 744. Talking to some British nationals the other day on top of T-4 they said that the flights are almost always full.

I think BA does very well here in PHX, they have been serving this market for the last 16 years now and have only used aircraft smaller then the 744 on two occasions, first with a DC-10 from 1996 to 1998 then a 772 around 2003-04. I imagine once the 744 is finally withdrawn from service with BA I think something like a daily 77W would be a good match for LHR-PHX, especially if US moves to One World in a merger with AA. BA still has 57 744s active so it will be several years before they are all withdrawn, and I could see PHX being one of the last cities to see the 747 from BA.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9779 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 19):
What will BA use once they retire the 747? I know they have the 380 on order, but I would think that the 777 would be coming back to PHX with the retirement of the 744. Talking to some British nationals the other day on top of T-4 they said that the flights are almost always full.
Quoting RavenTech (Reply 20):
Assuming that the yeilds are good on LHR-PHX then I would imagine they would go 777-300ER or if the go 200 then they probably add a couple flights per week to maintain capacity.
Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 21):
I think BA does very well here in PHX,

They do indeed. Once the 744 is withdrawn, we could probably see Terminal 4 upgraded enough to support an A380 or BA taking orders of the 748. If not, then the 77W just screams this route.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 19):
One also has to wonder if JAL going into SAN is a judge on smaller markets. I would also wonder if JAL would do a version of the BA LHR-PHX-SAN, but do NRT-SAN-PHX?

Rumor has it that when the JL pilot flew in here back in March to pick up the Mariners for the game in Tokyo, he questioned why their airline never flew here, because of the perfect weather  



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):
Rumor has it that when the JL pilot flew in here back in March to pick up the Mariners for the game in Tokyo, he questioned why their airline never flew here, because of the perfect weather  

Just what we need. More tourists coming for the weather. I'm already seeing more Minnesota, Alberta, Iowa etc plates in the Valley and here in Tucson. Time to prepare for the people driving 55 in the fast lane on the 10...


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 567 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):

They do indeed. Once the 744 is withdrawn, we could probably see Terminal 4 upgraded enough to support an A380 or BA taking orders of the 748. If not, then the 77W just screams this route.

380 No way and they opted for the 380 over the 748, so this would surmise that the 77W will probably be plying the sky's when the 744 is removed from service.


Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 21):
I think BA does very well here in PHX, they have been serving this market for the last 16 years now and have only used aircraft smaller then the 744 on two occasions,

Agree, the last time I checked there was a $200 per trip premium.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 22):
Rumor has it that when the JL pilot flew in here back in March to pick up the Mariners for the game in Tokyo, he questioned why their airline never flew here, because of the perfect weather

Would they say the same thing in June and July when we are baking in our own juices?

Quoting chrisair (Reply 23):
Just what we need. More tourists coming for the weather. I'm already seeing more Minnesota, Alberta, Iowa etc plates in the Valley and here in Tucson. Time to prepare for the people driving 55 in the fast lane on the 10...

That is great and as a long time resident, totally accurate. I love the snowbirds on I-10 at 7:00 AM driving 55 and wondering why everyone is giving them the one finger salute. Then we have the California transfers any time the ground really shakes. They then drive 95 on the city streets (no lie, say it yesterday and laughed as I pulled up to them at the next three lights.)


25 Post contains images PHX787 : I had a friend come here in July and she said she loved it....she loves being in a bikini though and swimming Glad you don't give an Ohio native like
26 dlramp4life : Your not over the age of 65 and drive a 2003 Buick or do you?? But that won't be happening anytime soon, they 747 is performing quite well for BA in
27 Post contains images chrisair : Depends on which plates grace your car. Are they the cool ones or the Beautiful Ohio ones? Or the best one of all: the Arizona Centennial one.
28 Post contains images PHX787 : Beautiful Ohio plates, 03 Honda and I'm 21 That is correct, I believe it's Dec. 6
29 aztrainer : As long as you do not have a insertion of your cranium in your rectum you are fine. That is fine and I know people that love the heat, but there are
30 LAXdude1023 : Thought you guys might be interested in this. Below are the largest international O&D markets to PHX from 2011: 1) Calgary - 480 PDEW 2) Toronto -
31 dlramp4life : Thank you for posting that. US has a pretty good feed to Mexico. Air Canada and West Jet have a pretty big seasonal operation in PHX, they both have
32 PHX787 : Thanks LAXdude1023 Interesting. Does West Jet operate this route year long, or no? Not surprising at all Do you guys think that PHX could sustain an A
33 aztrainer : Yes, when the housing market went down the toliet there were a lot of Canadians that bought homes down here. I guess that is why AC and Westjet can o
34 LAXdude1023 : Clarification: The toggle on my spreadsheet was set incorrectly. Those are round trip numbers. So you need to cut them in half to get the each direct
35 LAXdude1023 : PHXCDG is actually larger than CLTCDG or CVGCDG. But the average paid fare is far lower than either of those markets.
36 aztrainer : The problem is that this is not really scientific. You are dealing with a population that has a vested interest in travel to and from PHX. You will f
37 PHX787 : Anyone else see what was on fire near the airport this morning around 8:30? There was so much smoke in that area but ops looked normal. I was driving
38 PHX787 : Anyone else hear a rumor of the AN-225 being sent to AZA to pick up apaches? I heard that from a number of people today (spotters, this time) but I ha
39 dlramp4life : It always comes in and out of AZA time and time again to pick up apaches from Boeing. Where they are going? Don't know, I have heard the middle east
40 LAXdude1023 : Based on fare data and PHX-China O&D, there is no aircraft for which PHX-China could work.
41 neveragain : Certainly upgrades would be required to the airfield and stand configuration...but what upgrades do you think are required to the terminal? Besides l
42 Post contains images neveragain : Schedule change associated with the end of British Summer Time (happened last Sunday 28 October) and implementation of the BA winter schedule. From 3
43 4holer : As far as I'm aware, it's been here exactly one time. That was to drop off a transformer or something. Not sure why they would send the AN-225 instea
44 aztrainer : Saw it this summer and it was going to Saudi after picking up the AH-64's in Mesa That is normally an AN-124 not an AN-225 Which makes me wonder IF U
45 Post contains images dlramp4life : Never though of it like that before... I mean if the merger happens the only air carriers out of T3 north would be B6 and HAL. I always thought UA wo
46 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : Any word on the AN-225 or AN124 visit to KIWA?
47 Post contains links RavenTech : I believe its a false alarm, only Antonov on flight aware in America left Tulsa for Manchester this morning. http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype
48 neveragain : Precisely. While I don't necessarily believe the airline re-shuffling as described in your post is the optimal layout from a facility-use perspective
49 Post contains links 4holer : There it goes! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ADB2350 Could still see an AN124 if Apaches are ready to deliver!
50 PHX787 : Good eye there 4holer....I hope we see some russian Giants in the valley soon!
51 aztrainer : Agree, but I also wonder if HA would move back to T-4 as they only need one gate from 0:15 to 08:00. This could happen, but I would wonder whom would
52 dlramp4life : Now I have heard that HA has secured a contract with the COP to use gate 26. So I think HA is staying on T3. Perhaps a charter terminal for bowl game
53 PHX787 : I keep seeing renovations being done at the end of the concourse, is that for HA?
54 wn676 : I think they'd just demolish the old terminal and stripe more hardstands. The space that they have now seems more than adequate for the amount of cha
55 treebeard787 : Most likely yes. If HA does move to gate 26 they will have room to park an A330 vs gate 5 they have now that can only take a 767.
56 Post contains images neveragain : The HA relocation is to support introduction of the A330 on the PHX flight. Also, unless the City of Phoenix changes its policies for the use of the
57 PHX787 : Are they going to align this as a normal right-side flow road instead of the british-style left side flow? When is all this planned? Anyway this morn
58 treebeard787 : When HA used T4 they didn't RON the 767 here like they do now, it arrived early in the morning and usually departed back to HNL around 9AM, and that
59 Post contains links treebeard787 : The only heavy that departed at 8 was HA35. Check out this strange flight on flightaware, it shows a US A319 that did PHX-FLG. http://flightaware.com
60 PHX787 : PHXSpotters say on their FB a C-5 took off this morning. I bet it was that. Repositioning for an NAU charter I heard
61 neveragain : The eventual outcome of the Sky Harbor Boulevard realignment could be handled in several different ways. I believe the primary objective is to elimin
62 wn676 : Yup, goes up to Pocatello and back later this afternoon. The repo for the U of A charter just left for TUS and the ASU charter to EUG will be leaving
63 Post contains images dlramp4life : The north side has more widebody friendly gates then the south.
64 aztrainer : A C-17 is being used to move APS and SRP trucks to the East Coast.
65 wn676 : Any idea when it's leaving?
66 aztrainer : I think it already did as they were staging at 05:30 and the C-17 flew in from Ohio at 05:15. They stated they wanted to be wheels up ASAP.
67 Post contains images PHX787 : There was a C-5 that landed around 9:30 last night over my apartment. That thing was HUGE and LOUD, and the friend I was with thought it was an alien
68 aztrainer : Well that means that they were bringing in both the C-5 and C-17's from Ohio. No, I did not get anything from it and know how big the C-5 is. I am st
69 Post contains links 4holer : According to http://www.visitingphx.com/charters.html there have been 3 C-5s and about 10 C-17s, and I've missed all of them!
70 PHX787 : There should be coming in later this week bringing the SRP trucks back to AZ. In terms of it, I saw one C5 take off, one C5 land, and 3 C-17s land, a
71 Post contains images chrisair : Can someone explain why when I fly WN California-PHX, we land on the north complex. When I fly DL/Skywest LAX-PHX, we land on the south complex? Does
72 aztrainer : News stated today that they will not be back until next week. They will probably be in NY/NJ area until next week due to the amount of work. Well, Wh
73 Maverick623 : Traffic management. PHX likes to keep as many arrivals as possible on the north side (to avoid runway crossings). I have a feeling that the time fram
74 dlramp4life : The DL 763 service started last night. Tonight according to the flight schd. there will be a 763 operating the redeye (1646) to ATL and another 763 st
75 Post contains images PHX787 : Thanks for that, I'll be sure to try to get to the airport for some spotting Someone keep me informed with arrival times, because I obviously can't s
76 dlramp4life : Besides BA, DL, and HA? No unless it is a NFL charter.
77 aztrainer : Well, there is still a C-17 over at the ANG Does anyone know what was going on today at US about 9:00ish? I dropped my wife off for a flight and they
78 neveragain : This is a pretty typical scene at this time of day for US. They have two large banks of flights that use most (if not all) of the gates on T4-north t
79 Maverick623 : The infamous Complex 3/4. It's been happening since the America West days. Basically, a bunch of poorly trained monkeys (and that's being polite) in
80 aztrainer : That as got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen. I went up to see what registration number on my wife's flight and they had all of the gates ful
81 PHX787 : This is why we need to get people to allow Tempe to allow Sky Harbor to have simultaneous departures. This could easily be avoided if another runway
82 chrisair : Screw the airlines, it makes the passengers mad! I've been delayed on the morning AS PDX-PHX flight many, many times. Nothing like landing 15 minutes
83 Post contains images neveragain : Not really. The issue being discussed here regarding US Airways idling aircraft in hold bays and on active taixways doesn't have anything to do with
84 aztrainer : On a side not it seems as if WN is pushing through a lot of their 800's in PHX In the two hours I was spotting there was N8302F N8314F N8319F N8600F D
85 dlramp4life : I've noticed it too. I am still not use to seeing the WN color scheme on a 737-800.
86 wn676 : Couldn't tell you why they chose F, but I believe the change was done to accommodate a new fleet numbering scheme.
87 aztrainer : Yeah me too, I there were two at the gate, so I did not notice them until they all left at about the same time. The funniest thing was there was a 30
88 PHX787 : From a PHX Departures and Arrivals website, a lot of these flights coming through are also new deliveries, with a/c being delivered directly to PHX.
89 chrisair : IIRC Dallas doesn't have a maintenance line for the 738 (yet) and the -800s don't make it to DAL (yet). They deliver them to LAS, MDW, BWI or PHX and
90 aztrainer : I saw two of the 800's taxi in, but the other two were on the ground when I got there. I looked one up on a database and it has been in service for f
91 PHX787 : According to my Ohio neighbor some of the C-5s and C-17s are to begin coming back sometime this week. Anyone know more about this?
92 Post contains links aztrainer : There was one C-17 at the ANG from Travis AFB on Tuesday. I would surmise that they should be rotating back within the week. You might want to sound p
93 Post contains links PHX787 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...5/history/20121108/1455Z/KPHX/KONT I don't know if anyone saw this but a few days back we had a WN flight with
94 allegiantflyer : I just got done looking at the seat maps for F9's AZA-DEN and DEN-AZA from November 15-28 and it looks like Frontier will be profit able here.But for
95 aztrainer : Saw it on the news and forgot to look it up. They stated that the plane was 45 minutes out of PHX when it struck a bird. I was thinking that a bird a
96 southwest737500 : CLT has double the flights than PHX so it makes up for it.
97 Post contains links PHX787 : I think it was as soon as it took off, but they thought it wasn't anything serious..... http://www.avherald.com/h?article=458c303f&opt=0 Apparent
98 aztrainer : Agree, I was just stating how bad the media messed up the time. According to Flight aware it was a 23 minute flight out and back. It must of been a l
99 allegiantflyer : Will we see a downgrade to the E190 in those slow months?
100 aztrainer : I would think so, I have seen the E-190 at PHX and think that the post holiday slowdown will remove one of the 319 in favor of the E-190.
101 Post contains links dlramp4life : Was just watching the local news this evening and they had this interesting story about how a US and AA merger will affect the local economy here in t
102 PHX787 : Well, I think this could be said without much argument. I'm really surprised nobody else here isn't raising any alarms about this.
103 dlramp4life : Corporate: about 2,000 jobs at the airport: about 4,000 jobs because PHX would be downsized. This is why I am against the merger... Will be seeing a "
104 Post contains images Maverick623 : It's a puff piece by the Scottsdale Chamber of Commerce... of course they're going to cast doom and gloom predictions. More like 500, to eliminate red
105 Sevensixtyseven : I find it interesting that they used a picture of a US 733...at least they got the airline and livery right.
106 aztrainer : I really think that this is going to be much to do about nothing. I think AA is going to come out of BK and not need US. If US try's to make a move as
107 Post contains images dlramp4life : Thank you for the proper numbers, I just going off of what the article said. WN would pick up the slack but how much of the slack would they pick up?
108 wn676 : Most are in Mexico, Canada, or Hawaii. WN could conceivably pick up the slack in Mexico, although I believe most of that traffic is connecting anyway
109 Post contains links stasisLAX : PHX conducted a "media preview" this week of the new 44th Street Transfer Station and the new terminal 4/east economy parking lot via the new "Sky Tra
110 PSAJet17 : More likely "The rest will be offered a position at the new HQ/DFW" but how many will be willing to move to Texas (what kind of relocation package wi
111 Post contains images PHX787 : I hope so How many people are based in the tempe HQters? How much of that building is occupied? PHX related question: When does the BA go daily?
112 dlramp4life : I believe December 6th..
113 Post contains images allegiantflyer : Did anybody head out to AZA yesterday or today to get some shots of F9?? If so please share
114 Post contains images PHX787 : Is the flight daily? If so I'll head out there sometime later this week when I get back. I missed it yesterday Thanks
115 treebeard787 : F9 DEN-AZA is daily, it arrives at 3PM MST and departs back to DEN at 3:45PM. I wasn't able to be there on the 15th but I am going to try to go out t
116 PHX787 : According to my Japanese professor last week, Sedona has seen a large influx of Japanese tourists over last 2 years, most of them connecting through L
117 aztrainer : The problem is that this is observable data from a person that is just using their perception of what they have seen/heard. Until they do a deep anal
118 allegiantflyer : It confuses me very much how a place such as BOS with 28 million passengers per year can get so much International flights.Then there is PHX with 40 m
119 Post contains links and images allegiantflyer : http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...nix-mesa-allegiant-growth/136351/1 HAs everyone seen this? it says AZA would love to have VX service. That's ri
120 BA744PHX : This is very old news and will never happen. If VX starts Phoenix it will be out of PHX
121 Post contains images PHX787 : I'm guessing if anything, it will be an Asian airline that comes in here. I cannot ever see US at this time starting Asian service, as the East/West
122 Post contains images PHX787 : Hey Phoenicians- I have a buddy who said he may be able to make a banner that would say "Keep US My US" ..... He apparently has family who worked for
123 Post contains images point2point : Well, okay...... DEN actively sought an NRT n/s route for about the last 10 years or so, and a high of incentives seemed to be stagnated I do believe
124 wn676 : I don't think the crew merge is the big limiting factor. In terms of aircraft, it's not as if they would be isolated here; even if you had merged fli
125 LAXdude1023 : Its going to be a little different. With DL, nobody in management or labor wanted to merge with US so the whole company rose together to fight it. Wi
126 Post contains images dlramp4life : Especially with their current situation with finances, I do not see them starting any new routes soon. I know I was the one that said that but I am n
127 Post contains images bjorn14 : What no PPE (AZ beach)? Anybody heard anything about the AZA expansion?
128 Post contains images PHX787 : Well all I know is the new terminal is supposedly under construction; I haven't been over there yet
129 dlramp4life : New terminal at AZA is done.
130 Byrdluvs747 : If VX ever comes to Arizona, it will be PHX. What would be the point of using AZA besides satisfying aviation fans. I agree. The question is whether
131 Post contains images chrisair : The bigger question is what would happen to US Airways Center, also known as America West Arena. As an extremely loyal PSA flyer, the loss of the USA
132 Byrdluvs747 : I imagine that US has already paid for the naming of the arena, so it will most likely remain US Airways Center for a couple of years or at least unt
133 PHX787 : Do you think if the merger happens that either airline would want to come here anyway, with all the talk of a pulldown/hub closure?
134 treebeard787 : They are going to be using the current terminal facility for a while yet, the proposed brand new terminal won't be built for a few years, certainly n
135 treebeard787 : If JL or NH start NRT-PHX it would certainly be with a 787, anything else is just to large for the market but even then its a long shot. US would hav
136 aztrainer : Doubt it as they already have AA center in Miami The ONLY way I could see this happening is if there was a limitation to gates at LAX. I think the bi
137 Byrdluvs747 : I don't think having one sponsored arena eliminates the possibility of another since they have the Dallas arena as well. The question becomes does AA
138 allegiantflyer : Sometimes i wonder: Had America West not merged, Would there be more traffic coming through PHX? more competition?
139 wn676 : I doubt they would have survived past 2008 without the merger. By Kirby's own admission, there was a bankruptcy plan ready to file in 2005 had the me
140 Post contains images PHX787 : I don't know though what the 350 is going to do if it comes to PHX. It all depends on the future. Well like I stated above there's been an influx rec
141 Byrdluvs747 : I doubt it. HP had trouble expanding into other markets and were losing money. I think they would have remained a niche airline like AS. Regarding co
142 allegiantflyer : I Really liked how HP had more Phoenix-Other cities in Arizona routes. Now its just Yuma, Tucson and flagstaff
143 Byrdluvs747 : Besides the auto industry, what japanese companies have a presence in Arizona? I know there are some British firms here, hence the BA loads.
144 chrisair : Aside from Prescott, Kingman, and Sierra Vista, what other cities in Arizona are there that would benefit from air service today?
145 Post contains images PHX787 : Intel, a few computer companies (one of my friends works for them) a few banks, a trading company based in scottsdale that a different friend works a
146 chrisair : Intel is a US based company. Their HQ is in Santa Clara, CA.
147 PHX787 : With a bunch of Japanese employees.
148 Byrdluvs747 : GM has chinese employees in China, but that doesn't make Cadillac a Chinese company.
149 PHX787 : Ok we're splitting hairs here, but you see my point. There's a growing demand for asian service, and a further demand for service that doesn't involv
150 wn676 : No, it and a World MD-11 were under contract by UPS last year to provide extra lift out of SDF and ONT leading up to Christmas. In years past they've
151 allegiantflyer : Sounds like Laughlin is seeking some type of service, Lake Havasu. Or maybe someplace new where the population has been growing: Casa Grande,Safford,
152 Post contains images chrisair : Casa Grande? The place that's a 45 minute drive from Sky Harbor? I've been to the Nogales airport. It's a small shack. Certainly not a place for comm
153 Byrdluvs747 : Casa Grande has a population of 48k and sits between PHX and TUS so there's no justification for an operation that will mostly use expensive RJ's. No
154 aztrainer : Oh, God no...... Casa Grande - 45 mins south of PHX Globe/Miami - Possible with the mines if they could get a contract. Nogalas - No, 40 minutes sout
155 allegiantflyer : Well i meant Casa grande -somewhere else (even though that will never happen) not a PHX-CGZ
156 SANFan : Don't count on that strategy. Even BA didn't do any tag-ons in the several years between their various SAN-LON nonstops even though the market certai
157 Post contains images Byrdluvs747 : CGZ to anywhere in Arizona other than PHX or maybe TUS makes even less economic sense. The problem for Arizona is that every town other than PHX, TUS
158 aztrainer : Ever been to Bisbee? OUCH.... True, I was just thinking that when BA did the PHX-SAN route that it was it was seeing the need/want for a flight to PH
159 LAXdude1023 : I'm curious, what size do you think the PHX-Asia market is?
160 Post contains images PHX787 : In my opinion, I cannot really give a solid number. My numbers are based off of the people I meet here in the valley. I know that there are literally
161 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Allow me to save you the trouble my friend. The daily total from PHX over the Pacific is 163 PDEW (at least it was in 2011). Of that, about 29 passen
162 Post contains links BA744PHX : From http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/aviation Top 10 Asian markets out of PHX O&D both directions Tokyo - 19,559 Seoul - 15,529 Man
163 Post contains images PHX787 : If NH wanted to experiment and if US wanted to codeshare, I'm sure that something can be pulled off here. In business, i think the old adage is if yo
164 LAXdude1023 : No doubt there would be some market stimulation. It can range anywhere from 5-50%. In the case of PHX-Asia, a 10-15% stimulation is probably about ri
165 aztrainer : One would also have to wonder what reason they are coming to PHX. If it is business, then that would be a stable income, but tourist are varied on the
166 Post contains images Byrdluvs747 : Considering that LH ended the service back in 2003 I would hope you were older than 10 years. The UK business presence also helped BA. I'm not aware
167 chrisair : If y'all want a shack airport, go check out Tombstone Airport. There are no buildings at all.
168 aztrainer : Yeah, I also am old enough to remember the new terminal 3 and flying Hughes Airwest. Also the days of DC-10, 727, DC-9, and L-1011's Is that the stri
169 Byrdluvs747 : Fortunately/unfortunately, I am old enough to remember those days as well. I don't understand what you mean "all the way to England". Looking at a ro
170 PHX787 : Well to preview an upcoming trip report, my widebody flight from ATL-PHX was nice. Cross-wind landing. Always epic. The pilots let me snag a cockpit s
171 Post contains images dlramp4life : Last flight was last night for the 763 for a while. Hope there are no bad pictures of me (I worked that flight last night) Where did you the hear the
172 Post contains links and images PHX787 : DL pilot I was chatting with while taking a photo of the cockpit. Well in that case, please excuse the self-gloss: See yourself?
173 osubuckeyes : Could the possibility of a DL 764 be for the up-gauges for the college bowl season. If not it will be exciting to see what comes to the valley this wi
174 SiouxATC : Does anyone know anything about the DL 763 that just departed for ANC? DAL9970 I believe? I am at work on the WN side of the airport and just watched
175 PHX787 : It was "cut" with the exception of a month staying over for spring break. There's talk of US Airways resuming the route year-round. I don't know what
176 SiouxATC : N125DL Filler Filler Filler
177 93Sierra : I'm so sick of these Asia - Phx hypothetical flights that make zero sense with lax and sfo next store.
178 aztrainer : Yes, that was what I was inferring.
179 aztrainer : Tired of the dog chasing its tail?
180 Post contains links dlramp4life : I worked that flight inbound and outbound last night. Tail 125 (76Q). The flight was 1015 from ATL in and was 9970 to ANC. It was a ferry flight wher
181 allegiantflyer : Im tired of all these "Anti-International expansion in PHX people" :P
182 Post contains images PHX787 : My flight
183 93Sierra : I'm not anti anything and would love to see more growth ( I work there for an undisclosed btw company, not glamours but get paid to be by airplanes du
184 dlramp4life : So I don't think this is an interest to any of you unless you work at PHX but AA awarded servisair their fueling contract, Looks like Swissport is sta
185 Maverick623 : Doubtful, unless WN starts flying there. US has a steady schedule, and the only other airline is AM, which has reduced service to a ERJ145 to HMO. We
186 Byrdluvs747 : Daily PHX-SJO flights start Dec. 20 according to US' schedule data.
187 wn676 : They still do, flights resume daily on December 19th (northbound on the 20th) and are loaded through the end of April.
188 wn676 : It looks like they're up from 1x weekly to 2x weekly on both YQR and YXE for this winter. It's not a huge increase from last season, but it seems lik
189 aztrainer : Going back to the data, would PHX not be smart to try to create more flight to Canada, especially in the winter? Six to the top ten locations are in
190 wn676 : They already have a good amount served, with the exception of Montreal; AC tried it a couple of years ago and it lasted all of a few months IIRC. Ave
191 aztrainer : Thanks wn676. How bad of a hit do the schedules take during the summer months? I know they drop in frequency, but do not know how much.
192 LAXdude1023 : PHX has a very lopsided ineternational local market. 40% of PHX's total international O&D comes from Canada.
193 wn676 : Huh, it looks like the bottom half of my post got chopped. Anyways, basically they drop down to Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, and Vancouver. AC drops C
194 chrisair : I see a lot of Canadian plates on the road between Tucson and Phoenix. This year it seems to be a lot of Alberta and Quebec plates floating around. I
195 PHX787 : My buddies from America's Top Hat (as they actually call it) always fly down.
196 PHX787 : The BA daily service begins next week; anyone got any trips planned on BA anytime soon? I'm also looking for any trip reports for PHX-LHR but I've had
197 Post contains links PHX787 : Also: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8860 Is this the Cards charter? Didn't the game just end?
198 dlramp4life : Yes it is a Cardinals charter The game ended at like 2 today
199 Post contains images PHX787 : Did the APS trucks come back yet? I haven't seen any C-5s come over since the hurricane. Also, the F9 service is seasonal? People are making a huge fu
200 dlramp4life : What seasonal F9 service?
201 PHX787 : I meant to say at AZA
202 BA744PHX : G4 will start PVU-AZA on 02/15, 2 weekly Friday and Monday
203 Post contains images PHX787 : The Mavericks' 757 is sitting at the Swift ramp right now, according to PHXSpotters FB. Anyone at the airport today? I'm too busy to stop by and snap
204 dlramp4life : This morning I saw two OO CRJs at Gate 4 on T3, one was wearing the AE livery, the other was in the plain OO scheme. Is OO operating two flights in th
205 chrisair : I believe they've taken over all the Eagle routes for PHX-LAX. Someone else will know why, I just know I've seen them pop up when I book an AS flight
206 PHX787 : AmEagle outsourced a lot of their flying to OO recently as part of AMR's cost cutting measures.
207 dlramp4life : I'm aware of that. Usually there was one ERJ, now one CRJ overnighting for the LAX flight. But this morning there was two CRJs parked at gate 4, extr
208 PHX787 : Reports of a chopper down in Roosevelt lake, per ABC15. Anyone with more info? Perhaps, Im not sure too well
209 aztrainer : News stated that 3 were rescued by boaters.
210 allegiantflyer : I guess we can stop wishing for more expansion in PHX now that a merger is almost here. I really dont get why US would want to downsize something like
211 93Sierra : Is there any plans for WN to expand their MX in Phx?
212 aztrainer : I think to state that US will have a major effect on the recovery of the metro Phoenix area is a little overstated. Will the economy be effected, but
213 PHX787 : Aren't these flights grossing huge numbers and also involved with a lot of O&D here in PHX?
214 Post contains images dlramp4life : They made an offer, there is no merger yet. Hopefully it stays that way. Makes you wonder what would happen IF it did happen, T3 north would be a gho
215 wn676 : The metro area has over 4 million residents, the number you quoted is for Phoenix proper.
216 aztrainer : I would think that HA would add OGG to the PNX-HNL mix. But the other question with this one is, would HA have the equipment to add another flight. T
217 LAXdude1023 : The whole doom and gloom thing is a little pre-mature. First off, we don't know what the fate of PHX would be post merger. Everyone is assuming PHX w
218 chrisair : Guarantee that WN will run one stop Hawaii flights: MDW-California-HNL, PHX-California-HNL etc.
219 PSAJet17 : You mean T3 South since that is where AA, HA and B6 gates are located. The north side is DL(NW)
220 PHX787 : Realize that this is a 738. Not a 757 or a 767. These high-grossing routes are operated on large jets, and a WN 737 will have little impact on the co
221 aztrainer : I do not think it would be a gloom and doom situation, but I also do not see a AA/US keeping the number of flights into PHX since their presence in L
222 Post contains links PHX787 : http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/20...crash-into-arizona-lake-identified Looks like those in the earlier helicoptor crash are in the hospital in stab
223 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : Does anyone know why the City of Chandler and City of Gilbert have both recently passed ordinances banning Hot Air Balloons from launching from or lan
224 EricR : My opinion only, but this probably has to due with liability issues. The cities could be sued if they allowed balloons to take off and land and city
225 PHX787 : So the BA 744 flight is now going daily. Anyone know how that's going?
226 chrisair : Does anyone know about the new "Express Baggage Check" that is now being advertised at the East Economy Parking lot? There are banners that point you
227 PHX787 : I heard sometime in March All I know about this is this...I could've sworn it was to begin when the SkyTrain opened but I haven't heard anything in a
228 aztrainer : I would have to agree with EricR as it is more than likely a CYOA policy. The funny thing about this is last weekend was Gilbert's big Balloon Festiv
229 93Sierra : Those guys call the tower just like any other aircraft.
230 dlramp4life : Interesting, so they also built a bag system with the sky train? Did not know this.
231 wn676 : It might just be a place to tag bags, and the passengers will drop them off at the induction belts when arriving at T4.
232 chrisair : I think this is how it'll work. They were also talking about it when the mayor took everyone through the 44th St station--apparently you can check yo
233 Post contains links PHX787 : Q1 2013 http://skyharbor.com/phxskytrain/ So between Jan and March then.
234 PHX787 : For the sake of reference, I compiled a list of airlines with regular service to PHX and the equipment they use. For this compilation I will omit the
235 Cactus742 : UA also operates A319s and A320s (both to DEN). US has CR9s, not CR7s. AC also has the E190 on its seasonal YYC service. You're right about AA with t
236 chrisair : AS sends all their types to PHX. I've flown a 734, 73G, 738, 739 and 739ER (just flew it last week, actually). There's really no pattern either. One d
237 4holer : Really? Haven't seen that on approach for quite some time now. If so, good to know!
238 Post contains images dlramp4life : On top the EMB190 on AC they also operate A319s into PHX. DL does not not send the the 737 or MD88 to PHX, also OO hasn't sent a CRJ to PHX for DL fo
239 treebeard787 : They do use the B738 on MSP-PHX and DTW-PHX flights from time to time, but at the moment it's mostly 757s or MD-90s. Your list looks pretty good, her
240 asqx : Currently Delta in PHX is seeing a mix of A319, A320, 737-800, 757-200, and MD-90 aircraft. Delta Connection brings in CRJ-700 and CRJ-900 aircraft f
241 chrisair : There was a 738 painted in the Skyteam livery sitting at gate 16 last Thursday when I landed about 715p. Saw it from the parking lot bus. Haven't see
242 PHX787 : I heard it come in at night once. Thanks for the info guys! I also got info for when DL operates its month-long CVG service, they're going to use an
243 Post contains images dlramp4life : I was talking about the 737-7. Those never come to PHX The DL 738 is a common site in PHX along with the 752 [Edited 2012-12-13 12:05:20]
244 Post contains links and images treebeard787 : My mistake, I just thought about that.. I thought of a few more we get at PHX. IFL Group will fly CV-5800s freighters to LAX. View Large View MediumP
245 asqx : Well, not any more. There was a very brief period where they were the scheduled equipment a couple of days a week for the now discontinued CVG route.
246 wn676 : AS - no -900ERs yet (they just got their first one last month) WS - B736 hasn't been regular here since I think the end of 2010, sometimes shows up a
247 93Sierra : Have t seen a md 88 delta here in a while. Would US ever bring props back via OO for the I state flying or are the 200s that much better than the gone
248 chrisair : I just flew 403AS (their 2nd 900ER) SEA-PHX last Thursday.
249 aztrainer : FX - also fly the 208B I think that those days are gone. Their interstate network is at major airports in AZ. They only fly PHX to TUC, Yuma and Flags
250 93Sierra : There used to be service to IFP.....one could hope US or maybe G4 out of AZA would give it a go. And for fun why not have OO bring a few of the EMBs i
251 wn676 : Huh, I've only been showing 3xx regs for the last month although there were a couple blanked out ones. Are they being scheduled as a separate fleet t
252 Post contains links chrisair : Their website (and expertflyer) don't differentiate between the -900 and -900ER. You can see the differences between the two with rows 12-14--it's th
253 Post contains links PHX787 : For the sake of it, I'll use both for the list. This is EM Sorry for the lack of an update, I've been busy with exams. I will now close this thread a
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