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Openskies Returns To JFK  
User currently offlineshilenb From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

From 31st of March 2013 OpenSkies will operate a 1 X Daily ORY-JFK.

http://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/ope...uces-york-jfk-paris-131233243.html

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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Good to see a sign that BA is still sticking with this venture.

User currently offlineantonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 1):
Good to see a sign that BA is still sticking with this venture.

Well yes but how long will they drag it out ?
It cant be making money for them surely ?
Its really a hotschpot setup


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Quoting antonovman (Reply 2):
It cant be making money for them surely ?

IAG have been quick to shelve Openskies routes from Amsterdam and to Washington which weren't making money so presumably there is a good expectation of profits. I have seen adverts for first officers for openskies recently , so again if they are taking on extra pilots they must be expecting decent returns.


User currently offlineshilenb From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

Considering that AF dropped their LHR-LAX route when the openskies agreement first came about BA seems to have made it work with this venture

User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4744 times:

Quoting shilenb (Reply 4):

Considering that AF dropped their LHR-LAX route when the openskies agreement first came about BA seems to have made it work with this venture

Yet, I believe AF used one of their standard 772s for LHR-LAX while EU utilizes a more premium-based 752 and flies out of ORY rather than CDG.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

How many A/c does Openskies have? I thought they only had one which they used for EWR


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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Quoting antonovman (Reply 2):
Its really a hotschpot setup

Translate please


User currently offlineMaddogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
How many A/c does Openskies have? I thought they only had one which they used for EWR

I thought they had 4 - 2 ex L'Avion (PW powered) and 2 ex BA (RR powered)

But i could be wrong about that


User currently onlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting MaddogJT8D (Reply 8):
I thought they had 4 - 2 ex L'Avion (PW powered) and 2 ex BA (RR powered)

According to Wikipedia they have a fleet of three 757s, and only one was transfered from BA so that would be only one RR powered one then and the others would be PW



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Quoting MaddogJT8D (Reply 8):

I thought they had 4 - 2 ex L'Avion (PW powered) and 2 ex BA (RR powered)

But i could be wrong about that

You are wrong, but only slightly. They actually only have three aircraft now. F-GPEJ went to EC-Air as HB-JJB in April and is currently operated by Privatair.



And to be honest, the plane looks better in EC Air colors than the British Airways/Openskies colorscheme (if that's possible).


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

IAG is not known for its sentimentality and can be pretty ruthless so if OpenSkies is expanding then they must see some potential in it. I think it at least helps raise the profile of BA and AA in the Paris market.

User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 10):
You are wrong, but only slightly. They actually only have three aircraft now. F-GPEJ went to EC-Air as HB-JJB in April and is currently operated by Privatair.

Is this one leased out or sold? I wouldn't rule out it being acquired back as three aircraft for three year round daily rotations clearly isn't an option.

They also do quite a large amount of adhoc charter work.

[Edited 2012-10-23 17:35:12]

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 12):
Is this one leased out or sold?

OpenSkies leased 'EJ from its owners, BA. They also still lease 'EK from BA. They lease F-HAVI from from Pegasus Aviation. They lease 'VN from Aerolease.

They disposed of one of the RR powered aircraft because BA were able to sell it at a reasonable price.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
Quoting BA174 (Reply 12):
Is this one leased out or sold?

OpenSkies leased 'EJ from its owners, BA. They also still lease 'EK from BA. They lease F-HAVI from from Pegasus Aviation. They lease 'VN from Aerolease.

They disposed of one of the RR powered aircraft because BA were able to sell it at a reasonable price.


Ah thanks for clarifying VV701.

They will still almost certainly need four 757s again for the new schedule as even now with two daily rotations flight24 shows all three aircraft to be quite busy as it is.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Looking at T100 I'd say it averages about 62% full which is awful. DEC-APR 2012 load factors were all in the 40s and 50s. 

User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
Looking at T100 I'd say it averages about 62% full which is awful. DEC-APR 2012 load factors were all in the 40s and 50s.

Loads must have been much higher than 60%, they wouldn't be launching a thrid daily rotation otherwise.

The DEC-APR figures were before the re-launch as a three class airline (again).


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