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WN November 19 Schedule Release/Route Discussions  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4424 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7534 times:
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Southwest Airlines will have a schedule release November 19th which will cover from June 1, 2013 through August 9, 2013. This is an exciting time for Southwest Airlines with the merger integration in progress. Please feel free to share any merger or route related news or information that may add to the discussion. I did my best below to gather information below, but I can not guarantee it's accuracy nor that it is all there. The seasonal routes below are for Spring and not this Winter (sorry, I've spent enough time just gathering all of this)! I did not include previously started service (such as DSM-MDW) started before today's date. All the routes below have been previously announced.

FL cities not part of the WN system and not announced yet (but will be at some point):

Domestic:
MEM
GRR
PNS
RIC
ICT
SJU

International:
AUA
BDA
CUN
MEX
MBJ
NAS
PUJ
SJD

New upcoming routes already announced:
MCO-MSP (starts November 4, replacing FL)
MKE-MSP (starts November 4, replacing FL)
EYW-MCO (starts November 4, FL deceases November 3)
EYW-TPA (starts November 4, FL deceases November 3)
EYW-MSY (starts November 4)
DAL-HRL (starts November 4)
DEN-SDF (starts November 4)
HOU-IND (starts November 4)
HOU-SNA (starts November 4)
MCI-MSY (starts November 4)
BNA-LGA (starts January 6)
MCI-MSP (starts February 14)
EWR-AUS (March 9 IIRC)
EWR-MSY (March 9 IIRC)
EWR-BNA (March 9 IIRC)
BKG-MDW (starts March 9, FL deceases March 8)
BKG-DAL (starts March 9)
BKG-HOU (starts March 9, FL deceases March 8)
BKG-MCO (Saturday only, starts March 9, FL service ends March 8)
LGA-MKE (transferring from FL in March)
CMH-TPA (transferring from FL in March)
CLT-BWI, MDW, HOU, MCO (starts April 14, all FL routes from CLT deceased April 13)
ROC-BWI, MDW, MCO, TPA (starts April 14, all FL routes from ROC deceased April 13)
FNT-BWI, MCO, TPA (starts April 14, all FL routes from FNT deceased April 13)
PWM-BWI (starts April 14, FL deceases operations April 13)
BOS-MCI (starts April 14)
HOU-PIT (starts April 14)
BWI-PUJ ( starts April 14 on FL equipment, pending government approval)

Seasonal returns (already announced for next Spring):
BWI-SEA
CLE-LAS
MCI-OAK
SAN-STL

Seasonal cuts (already announced for next Spring):
RSW-BNA
RSW-BOS
RSW-ISP
RSW-BOS
MCO-DAY
MCO-IND
PBI-PIT
PBI-PVD
TPA-GRR (FL)
RSW-DTW (FL)
RSW-GRR (FL, wouldn't be surprised if this is cut permanently)
RSW-CAK (FL, wouldn't be surprised if this is cut permanently)

Routes FL will again fly in the Spring:
BUF-FLL
MCO-MSP (transitioning to WN on Nov. 4 then goes back to FL)
PHL-PBI
PHL-RSW

Routes being cut permanently:
BOI-PDX
BUR-DEN
HOU-PHL
EWR-BWI (ends March 8)
LGA-BWI (ends Jan. 5)
RSW-FNT (FL)
ATL-FNT (FL)
ATL-CLT (FL)
ATL-ROC (FL)
BKG-ATL (FL)
BKG-BWI (FL)

New FL flights to supplement WN flights:
MCO-STL
MCO-MCI
BUF-TPA
MDW-FLL

Seasonal FL supplements to WN flights:
BOS-MKE
TPA-MDW
TPA-CMH

My guesses for the next schedule release:

ICT-DEN or MDW or possibly HOU
MEM-MDW/HOU/BWI/MCO
GRR-BWI/MCO/TPA
RIC-MDW, BNA, and/or MCO
PNS-HOU, BWI, and/or BNA

Possibly SJU service (SJU-MCO, BWI)

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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7522 times:

Could we possibly see a CLT-DEN flight

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1938 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

DAY needs to be added onto...either MDW or MCI or BWI...same goes with PWM.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7422 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

Well done list. I'm hearing that they are trying to cutover cities that are losing ATL service (or never had ATL service) first. Your whole list here probably fall into that group, although I think RIC needs ATL service and ATL needs cities like RIC for feed.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
Domestic:
MEM
GRR
PNS
RIC
ICT
SJU

GRR: I wonder why this wasn't converted instead of FNT. The routes work better for WN code than FL code. Still BWI/MCO/FLL

MEM: I strongly doubt ATL-MEM will remain, so I think this will be a high priority for cutover. The only question is whether there will be HOU or DAL. I suspect this pattern: DAL 2x, MDW 2x, MCO 1x, BWI 2x. DEN would surprise me. HOU might supplant DAL.

PNS: Probably high on the list. I think service will be scant. HOU 2x, FLL 1x, BWI 2x

RIC: Should have ATL 3x, but I bet it loses it. Prediction: MDW 3x, MCO 1x, TPA or FLL 1x, BNA 1x

ICT: 2x DEN, 2x MDW

SJU: I think SJU will be announced before Nov19. They are just waiting on technology issues.


User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7438 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
MEM: I strongly doubt ATL-MEM will remain, so I think this will be a high priority for cutover. The only question is whether there will be HOU or DAL.

I don't think TN is within the Wright Amendment zone, so no MEM-DAL until at least 10/2014.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
RSW-ISP

This route has been seasonal for about two-three years, so no surprise.

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):
PBI-PVD

This route was originally announced as a seasonal flight, so again, no surprise here.

My predictions:

ISP-EYW (I've been told by somebody to look for it soon. I don't know what soon is, but still, I predict a seasonal flight)
SJU-BWI/HOU/PVD/MCO/FLL/MSY
CLT-DEN/BWI/HOU/MCO/ATL


User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 5):
ISP-EYW (I've been told by somebody to look for it soon. I don't know what soon is, but still, I predict a seasonal flight)
SJU-BWI/HOU/PVD/MCO/FLL/MSY
CLT-DEN/BWI/HOU/MCO/ATL

I know Delta just introduced Holiday LGA-EYW, but I have a hard time believing WN could physically make ISP-EYW work. Never say never though.

As for CLT, 3 of the 5 destinations you listed have already been added as of 4-14-13. I definitely think we'll see a CLT-DEN, but CLT-ATL would shock me.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 5):

I think they could make

1X DEN
1X STL

what are your thoughts


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Talk about being early on posting this thread....

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 5):
(I've been told by somebody to look for it soon. I don't know what soon is, but still, I predict a seasonal flight)

The user actually said direct flight, not non-stop.

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
SJU: I think SJU will be announced before Nov19. They are just waiting on technology issues.

Does an airline need flag carrier status to fly to SJU? WN did not have flag carrier status when the extension came out and just yesterday got it. I agree it could come out before the extension.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4608 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):
Does an airline need flag carrier status to fly to SJU? WN did not have flag carrier status when the extension came out and just yesterday got it. I agree it could come out before the extension.

Hmm.  

SJU is obviously the easiest to switch over since it is still a domestic city. I personally don't think it will be very long at all before we hear about the plans for SJU.

[Edited 2012-10-24 14:18:52]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5477 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7184 times:

Anybody else notice a trend (all right, ANOTHER trend) happening at WN these days? I think in this entire thread so far, one route involving a city west of DEN is mentioned -- SNA-HOU (new route starting 11/4.)

(There are a couple of "returning seasonal" routes mentioned in the great list compiled by iowaman in the OP that include w/c cities but that's pretty much it.)

I'm not (really) saying that this is good or bad but it is a trend that seems to a big part of WN's current strategy. This is a strategy that is also being seen with B6... Interesting

(And don't worry, airliner371, I'm not even going to wish for SAN-ATL any more. I give up on seeing that route flown by Canyon Blue in my lifetime!)

My predictions for the November 19 schedule extention: lots of things east of the Rockies!

bb


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1938 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
ICT: 2x DEN, 2x MDW

You can probably tack on a few DAL flights, and maybe a STL flight or two.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8):

Good point, I didn't notice that. I mix them up a lot.


User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
Anybody else notice a trend (all right, ANOTHER trend) happening at WN these days? I think in this entire thread so far, one route involving a city west of DEN is mentioned -- SNA-HOU (new route starting 11/4.)

I think part of the reason for this is that FL was much larger and stronger (read: had an actual presence in) the east coast and because of this, we're seeing much of the "growth" take place in the northeast, southeast, and midwest.

Somewhat related: I've been wondering how long MHT-BNA lasted. I was looking through some old route maps and it occurred to me that this particular route was flown for a while; definitely one of the first few routes out of MHT. Anyone have an info on this? I'd love to see a MHT-BNA return or a MHT-STL, even if they were only seasonal routes to offer more SE and SW US connections in the winter (although I won't hold my breath!)


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
And don't worry, airliner371, I'm not even going to wish for SAN-ATL any more. I give up on seeing that route flown by Canyon Blue in my lifetime!

You've really turned negative towards WN but I don't know why. All I'm gonna say to this is look at the entire SWA network and count the destinations that are served from ATL. There are 12 routes from ATL on WN. SAN is not the only city missing. I bet when all is said and done SAN along with west coast cities like SLC, OAK, PDX or SNA will be added to ATL. I can say a lot more but you've heard it all from me before.



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User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6965 times:

Today WN officially received international ops specifications from the FAA.
This gives the green light for WN to start SJU service very soon.
Service should be announced next week.
Finally awesome!!!!!
Wnfg 



my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5194 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 15):

Today WN officially received international ops specifications from the FAA.
This gives the green light for WN to start SJU service very soon.
Service should be announced next week.
Finally awesome!!!!!
Wnfg 

Great news...c'moooooon HOU-SJU



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6775 times:

Well there sure was a lot of hype about the most recent schedule extension and then nothing seemed to come out of it.


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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4608 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 17):
Well there sure was a lot of hype about the most recent schedule extension and then nothing seemed to come out of it.

?!?!?

Four cities getting full WN conversions is nothing? Geesh. What are people expecting?


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6673 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 17):
Well there sure was a lot of hype about the most recent schedule extension and then nothing seemed to come out of it.

Just 4 cities... nbd.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 18):
Four cities getting full WN conversions is nothing? Geesh. What are people expecting?

I completely agree.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

4 cities is a huge deal guys

User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6623 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 20):
4 cities is a huge deal guys

It is! I don't know what people were expecting but thats pretty amazing.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5169 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 18):


What are people expecting?

I think people were expecting full codeshare and further intergration by this point. 1st quarter 2013 is the game changer for WN/FL. This is by far the most protracted integration I've ever witnessed in this industry. For an airline as highly regarded as WN, this whole exercise has been one embarrassing snafu after another, IMHO. Personally I've experienced two major glitches with the transistion:

1) After I had already used TurboTax for my returns in January, WN comes along in Febraury and says "get RR points for using TurboTax. I sent a letter to WN stating that I had already filed my taxes and could I get a waiver for the points, no response. FAIL.

2) I had FL points due to expire so I donated them to charity (glad to do that as I didn't have enough to redeen for anything) but two weeks later WN says I can transfer my FL credits to RRs. FAIL.

At the very least the FF programs should have switched to a single program ASAP.

WN still has my business when possible, but their sluggishness with this integration is taxing.



Next Up: STL-EWR-STL for my first mileage run!
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6531 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 22):
but two weeks later WN says I can transfer my FL credits to RRs. FAIL.

This part is not their fault. Just luck of the draw.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5169 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 23):


This part is not their fault. Just luck of the draw.

Yes, it is their fault for not combining the FF programs earlier. I mean airline A and airline B sign a codeshare agreement and they have reciprocal FF miles virtually overnight. This is an ACQUISTION and they farted around for months and months.



Next Up: STL-EWR-STL for my first mileage run!
25 airliner371 : No, its not because... No, the entire time they have been working tirelessly. Their IT system is a failure and we all know it. But they have been abl
26 kkephart13 : [Edited 2012-10-24 20:15:03]
27 usflyguy : With these most recent station transitions from WN to FL and maybe some more in the next release, I think more international destinations will be anno
28 ouboy79 : Those aren't glitches in the WN system, that is just bad timing. Why should WN compensate you points for the TurboTax thing when you did it on your o
29 airliner371 : I want to clarify because a user thought I was serious. I am being 100% sarcastic when I say, "nbd". Its a huge deal, no question about it.
30 OzarkD9S : But the entire transaction is being handled amaturishly, that is my point. There really is no exuse for this piece-meal approach.
31 southwest737500 : Of corse it'd a big deal to me I've waited 10 years for WN to finally come to CLT
32 FlyPNS1 : But I think your point is invalid. While the transition might be slower than desired, it's actually being done in a way that doesn't produce the chao
33 airliner371 : Just because its going slow does not mean they work amateurishly. It is helping prevent huge problems like UA/CO had. I guess because its not going a
34 JONC777 : for once i agree with ya lol . .but until the IT issues are officialy resolved. . .I dont expect any major changes. . .but supposedly the IT issues w
35 bobloblaw : I think they will have to do a ICT-DAL 2-3x with thru to HOU or ICT-DAL 2x with 1x to HOU I dont see WN in ATL being bigger then 100 daily flights.
36 sdoyon : I could see ICT start with about 7 flights: 2x - DAL [333mi] 2x - DEN [420mi] 1x - MDW [589mi] 1x - HOU [565mi] 1x - LAS or PHX [986/870mi] Most of t
37 OzarkD9S : I'm far from alone with my opinion. WN could have kept FL as an independent International subsidiary forever but taking as long as they did before li
38 iowaman : Give it time. I think SAN may have a shot, unlike a lot of the smaller stations. MHT-BNA was around from at least 2000-2005, after doing some researc
39 USAirALB : At a curiosity, what was the purpose of these MCI flights? I recall they flew PVD-MCI and maybe BDL-MCI. I always thought they were a little weird. E
40 sdoyon : Thanks for the info; very interesting! It's hard to believe that MHT had 30+ daily flights on WN--sign of the times I suppose.
41 iowaman : None of my timetables from 2000-2005 show BDL-MCI as ever being non-stop, however they all show 1x daily PVD-MCI. Maybe someone else can highlight mo
42 enilria : You are right, I'm thinking of Mississippi which is inside the perimeter. Yes, but that's not so hard to get. The technology issue surrounds a unique
43 Cubsrule : ATL is farther away and likely a smaller local market than either Chicago or Dallas. Putting DEN aside for a moment, a schedule of 2x MDW 1x DAL (or
44 iowaman : That's what I figured - MCI had a lot of connectivity to the west before MDW was the size it is now. IIRC weren't their some issues (maybe there stil
45 airliner371 : I know its not hard to get, I was saying they didn't have it earlier this week now they do.
46 sdoyon : What are the chances of a BWI-MSP flight? Currently DL flies 4x daily--3x mainline and 1x RJ--for $546 (price is pretty consistent from now until Janu
47 Cubsrule : You are barking up the correct tree: the issue is that MCI's security checkpoints serve just a handful of gates, and the gates are not all connected
48 Flytravel : ATL is closer than BNA or MDW, plus ATL would provide additional Florida and Texas service, and SFO service. Of the cities in the NE or northeast of A
49 Post contains images ouboy79 : We'll have the answer very soon.
50 737tanker : There has been some remodeling of the WN gates a MCI and they now have 9 gates and all use the same security. So if passengers have to change aircraf
51 iowaman : I don't see any reason BWI wouldn't work. BWI and LAS both seem like the next logical options for Southwest in Minneapolis. MSP has been a small but
52 SANFan : Hey that's great to hear. Thanks for sharing that with us. I'll have to take a look at the terminal map and see how they did it. I assume WN is now t
53 MSYtristar : What else could feasibly be added from MSY? When the March schedule rolls around, the combined FL/WN operation will be up to 57 flights a day...not fa
54 CIDFlyer : Isnt STL-ECP coming back next summer? Glad to see STL built into a top 10 station!
55 usdcaguy : I like these suggestions from ICT, although I wonder about the following: 2x - DAL 2x - HOU 1x - DEN 1x - LAS (although isn't G4 in the picture?) 1x
56 Post contains images wnflyguy : I think the summer flying you will see ICT and GRR added to the WN system. ICT with 5 flts total. 2 STL, 2 DAL, 1 DEN. One A/C used for the new servic
57 iowaman : Service returns March 9. I believe from MSY SAN is the top market in that list, followed by PIT. I would think CUN would be decent sized as well but
58 countrymalenc : When the announcement of WN taking over CLT in April 2013 I am completely surprised these was not a CLT STL. I realize US Airways has that market but
59 ouboy79 : Give it time. This was a push to get these cities over into the WN network. Not every logical connection will be done on day one. DEN started out wit
60 Cubsrule : Rain isn't that disruptive at MDW because the terminal is such that the airfield can handle every flight that there is a gate for. Snow can be disrup
61 SANFan : Without looking up all the numbers, I would agree that SAN probably is the largest of those destinations listed. AND I would certainly Luv to see WN
62 bobloblaw : That is a good point.
63 airliner371 : I thought I would revive this thread as we are just about a week away. Are there any new developments? There are 5 more domestic cities FL serves as F
64 ChiGB1973 : Nice, bring it on WN. I will say that BNA is the only one without (near) non-stop competition. UA to IAH, IAD; US to DCA; and AA to MIA. UA seasonal/
65 airliner371 : I think we will see GRR, ICT and maybe PNS or MEM. I have a feeling WN intends on keeping RIC-ATL so I think they may wait on RIC until codeshare is i
66 usflyguy : I think ATL-SAN will come online. MEM, RIC, GRR, ICT will be switched to WN. MEM-MDW, BWI, ATL, HOU, DEN. RIC-MCO, MDW GRR-DEN, BWI ICT-DAL, DEN, MDW
67 airliner371 : I agree except no MEM-ATL, GRR gets Florida and possibly no DEN. I also don't think RIC will be converted with this release but if it does I agree wi
68 usflyguy : Don't forget, the powers to be keep alluding to a codeshare... I think all domestic stations will be converted or co-branded at the very least and add
69 Post contains links iowaman : If my math is correct, WN ran about an 80% load-factor on the single daily DEN flight in September. They enplanned 3,353 passengers out of 4,200 avai
70 usflyguy : I think there may be some shuffling of LGA markets. MKE probably reduced to 2.0 or 1.0 with those slots going to BNA or HOU. I'm hoping to see HOU-BOS
71 spiritair97 : Could we possibly see either: STL-PVD/ISP MSY-PVD/ISP STL/MSY to Providence could definitely work, and as most people who know me on here knows, I'm a
72 airliner371 : I think they will leave STL to LGA, EWR and BOS in those markets. WN is adding MSY-EWR so not sure about ISP-MSY and I doubt PVD-MSY. BNA is already
73 iowaman : I'd be very surprised to see anything new out of ISP. They've lost several key routes over the past few years including MDW, LAS, and BNA. In fact, t
74 airliner371 : I'm sorry, I just caught this. WN will be operating this seasonaly says FNT Airport.
75 spiritair97 : I'm not saying your wrnog, but I believe MDW was actually just moved over to LGA, they didn't cut it because it did poorly. Also, based on personal e
76 sdoyon : I wonder if we'll start to see more growth out of BWI. The A/B-C connector should be completed by May 2013, giving access for WN growth in Concourse C
77 airliner371 : I have heard 2 specific things. WN will get 2 gates on C; from the Baltimore sun. That to me seems like why would WN agree (as the largest arrier) to
78 sdoyon : Schedule from 4/8/13: 181 WN / 40 FL Schedule from 5/20/13: 191 WN / 40 FL D might be iffy...I know part of it is walled off (not sure which section)
79 Flytravel : What about ISP-BOS? I know it'd be unconventional, but demand could possibly come from Long Island residents who work in BOS or VFR or leisure. BOS b
80 airliner371 : Does anyone know why its walled off and if it will be taken down, when. Thanks! Either directly from BWI or the Baltimore Sun. Not sure which.
81 Post contains images wnflyguy : Well with this up coming schedule release and with all the hype of SJU over the rumor mill is xtra slow on this one. I think now we may see just seaso
82 iowaman : I think it's likely we will. I expect GRR to retain BWI service once it's switched over to WN metal and possibly MEM-BWI and PNS-BWI added. I also ex
83 usflyguy : WN did fly ISP-PVD at one point.
84 sdoyon : BTW it's gates D30-35, I think they were blocked off because the terminal didn't have enough tenants, but I could be wrong. These 6 gates are part of
85 jporterfi : Could we see an expansion of ATL service on WN, possibly to EWR/PHL, in addition to the continuing transition of FL stations to WN?
86 airliner371 : ATL expansion and conversion will probably not restart until codeshare. We will probably see a few stations converted (2-3). We will know about any c
87 Post contains images SANFan : And another possibility has been mentioned as well: (Please note that I did not say this, but I sure like the idea...) bb
88 Flytravel : Won't WN need slots for EWR-ATL? I see them not taking away service from the other EWR routes for it, since WN already has reallocated BWI routes for
89 southwest737500 : It would be nice if they added CLT-ATL and CLT-DEN
90 jporterfi : I was not aware that EWR was slot controlled. In that case I agree with you that they probably won't take away or reduce any of their destinations fr
91 Cubsrule : What makes you say that? Certainly, WN doesn't have trouble with yields on routes of similar length elsewhere in the system (BNA/MDW-STL or BWI-PIT,
92 Post contains images wnflyguy : With TUL airport talking about new service on monday I can see WN add BWI service. IF this is a 100% new flying with a 800 may be it can end up as a o
93 usflyguy : Why would TUL-BWI be on an -800 and why would it be a through flight to SJU? Is there a large PR population to warrant a through flight from TUL to S
94 sdoyon : So it looks like the FL schedule is up. Does anyone know how the scheduling between WN/FL works? If something is loaded into the FL schedule on Sunday
95 airliner371 : AS of right now, LGA-ATL goes down from 8 to 6 flights with the 2 flights disappearing (probably going to WN). The AirTran schedule is not always reli
96 sdoyon : I saw this as well. Wonder where they'll go. Looking at what EWR has that LGA doesn't: AUS - outside the 1,500 mi perimeter HOU MSY PHX - outside the
97 airliner371 : Unless WN is going to operate 2 LGA-ATL flights, similar to what they are doing on ATL-MCO (just to get into the the market and get known, which is v
98 sdoyon : Could be, but I was pretty sure they had delayed implementing more XXX-ATL flying on WN until the codeshare comes online; leaving ATL p2p traffic to
99 Post contains images wnflyguy : I was just making up a Aircraft flow if WN used a new 800 for a New TUL-BWI service. With that I just figured may be WN could add 2 new markets with
100 Post contains images wnflyguy : Airtran.com if you look up SNA-SJD it getting another flight. Also looking up the flight times for FL service SNA-MEX,LAS and SFO its looking like SNA
101 knope2001 : MKE-FLL appears to be returning from WN to FL as of 6/2. Haven't noticed anything especially noteworthy in the current summer FL schedule so far. BWI
102 Flytravel : After furthing looking in: DL n/s fares seem high (over $600 r/t booked months advance), so competition and stimulation can lower fares, and it would
103 kkephart13 : New (or returning) service on the FL end that ive noticed... PHL - PBI (Eff. 4-17-13) PHL - RSW (Eff. 4-17-13) BOS - MKE (Eff. 4-17-13) MDW - FLL (Eff
104 airliner371 : PHL-PBI, MDW-FLL, BOS-MKE and PHL-RSW begins 4/14, the SNA-SJD does not go double daily until June 2 and I don't see BUF-PBI in the schedule at all.
105 Cubsrule : WGA wouldn't be $150. On BNA-STL nonstop, which is a little bit longer (and has no competition), WGA is typically $90 or $100, anytime is $195 and Bu
106 iowaman : Any one know what time the schedules are to be released tomorrow??
107 Post contains images wnflyguy : I think around 6am central (Herb) time. Hopefully some good new comes with this news and not just another wave of market deletions. wnfg
108 southwest737500 : I'm confident WN is going to add TUL-BWI
109 airliner371 : Schedule is out. LGA-HOU twice daily and TUL-MDW have been added. ICT being converted, so far I see 2x DAL, 2xMDW and 1x LAS. Also being converted, BW
110 dbo861 : Still nothing new for DSM. This schedule goes thru Aug 9 at which point DSM will be over 10 months of just two daily flights to MDW.
111 Post contains images CGKings317 : Is there a link to the new schedule or table signifying changes? ~CGKings317
112 Post contains images airliner371 : Southwest.com . Press release isn't out yet.
113 southwest737500 : Still better than nothing
114 MSYtristar : Poor BHM loses two more spokes: JAX and MSY. Sad to see BHM-MSY go from a historical standpoint, but really, the route is redundant since ATL/FL came
115 AWACSooner : That's what I was guessing...makes perfect sense...
116 Post contains images CGKings317 : Looks like WN is resuming seasonal PDX-AUS for the summer. No idea if it has similar effective/discontinue dates as like last summer. ~CGKings317
117 iowaman : Well, not as exciting as I was hoping for but still some stuff here and there. Nice adds! It looks like ICT will be the only conversion city this roun
118 Cubsrule : My impression of BHM-DAL is that it was often filled with BNA-DAL thrus (I have been on multiple flights with fewer than 30 passengers getting on/off
119 sdoyon : MHT is getting their seasonal LAS flight back, which I expected. Wish they'd keep it year-round.
120 AWACSooner : This route has been a G4 staple for almost a decade...I'm betting Allegiant canx's the route within 6-8 months after WN initiates the route.
121 FWAERJ : Don't count them out: G4 has stuck around post-WN GSP far longer than most here anticipated. And G4's vacation package deals, LAS in particular, are
122 sdoyon : From Southwest:
123 avi8 : So is TPA losing SWA flights to HOU and RDU?
124 sdoyon : Thinning out some more short-haul routes: ABQ-TUS: 321 miles OAK-RNO: 181 miles LIT-STL: 296 miles BHM-JAX: 365 miles BHM-MSY: 321 miles[Edited 2012-1
125 ouboy79 : Its 50/50 on what G4 does. When WN launched OKC-LAS service, G4 ran like the wind. Of course OKC is a strong traditional WN city. We'll see how ICT w
126 knope2001 : Here's MKE for July 2013 vs 2012 for anyone who is interested. Several markets have one fewer frequency, but MSY is saying on through the summer, whic
127 iowaman : Made possible with additional slots at SNA. It appears TPA-HOU is going from 4x to 3x and TPA-RDU from 3x to 2x on WN equip with FL picking up at lea
128 LoneStarMike : AUS-HOU - 148 miles It most likely will end in mid-August just like last year. School starts August 26, 2013 here. LoneStarMike
129 AWACSooner : Packages and whatnot aren't going to substitute for two free checked bags and no charges for carry-ons.
130 AWACSooner : I know one flight does not a successful route make, but I flew this back in January, and it was PACKED...on a Saturday. So did US (well, they were st
131 Post contains images Cubsrule : They are a little bit different from the last go-round, though, as with the arguable exception of STL-LIT, these are more p2p than hub routes, as IND
132 Post contains images wnflyguy : RNO-OAK another victory heading to Alaska. With WN back in SFO WN should have at least tried the SFO-RNO market . BHM-JAX/MSY with WN finally in ATL t
133 iowaman : Updated FL/WN combo merger list. If anyone sees any errors or has any additions I missed please let me know. My goal is to make this a nice reference
134 AVLAirlineFreq : It's fascinating to me to watch many of these short-haul flights go away. Some of them have been around for years and were bread-and-butter routes fo
135 Cubsrule : I really like how WN has grown BOS; it started, IIRC, with MDW and BWI, and they've since added DEN, STL, BNA and now MCI. HOU would be another nice
136 iowaman : Forgot about that one. Appears to still be going at 5x daily next summer. I wonder how familiar ICT residents are with WN and the no charge for check
137 Post contains images bjorn14 : Correct, They could fly DAL-UTM I wonder if they take a weight penalty for this? Perimeter has nothing to do with it. KS has been a WA state for awhi
138 MSYtristar : Interesting how things change. MSY-BHM, for example, was at one point 7X/day. It was at 5X/day right before Katrina, and has been 2X ever since. Of c
139 Post contains images BHMNONREV : Very true sir.. I believe at one time when WN was running those seven flights a day, most if not all of them were continuing on to HOU as there was v
140 Post contains images wnflyguy : I have to admit I was surprised with this schedule. I really didn't think you would see any FL cities transition over to WN during summer flying. PBI
141 iowaman : Found this is a previous thread posted by Enilria: Shortest left are: AUS-HOU 148 BWI-ORF 159 DAL-OKC 181 CRP-HOU 187 AUS-DAL 189 HOU-SAT 192 FLL-TPA
142 LoneStarMike : I'm thinking his point might have been that due to the perimeter rule at DAL, there are fewer places an ICT passenger could connect to once they got
143 MSYtristar : That's true, I forgot about all the BHM-HOU one stops via MSY. For a while there I don't think there was nonstop service in the market correct? I too
144 MSYtristar : I think most on that list are relatively safe...with the exception being FLL-TPA. I can see this one going the way of other intrastate FL routes at s
145 iowaman : I think you're right. All of those left have several daily frequencies. Showing 5x daily so it must be doing decent. Also showing a 77% load-factor o
146 ChrisNH : Chiming in from Manchester: The good news from today's schedule updates: We didn't LOSE anything. It's pretty sad when GOOD news is seen as a lack of
147 mke717spotter : Sucks to see TUS losing more service. I always thought there would be enough O/D traffic to justify this route, similar to TUS-SAN. Is this likely on
148 knope2001 : I would guess that PHX will get a flight back next winter to match seasonal demand. Southwest doesn't need to funnel a lot of west coast connections
149 ouboy79 : My brain wants to say yes, but the initial press release from the airport had it as a late evening/red eye still.
150 infiniti329 : FL LGA-MKE have already transfered to WN metal earlier in the month. FL is down to 1x daily on LGA-MKE
151 airliner371 : Does anyone else have the date of the next schedule extension and when that extension will go to. That will be the first extension that has -717s exit
152 Post contains images Mexicana757 : About time MDW and TUL are connected. Nice to see another FL converted city connecting to MDW. Looks like MDW is getting some love for next year. Fiv
153 AWACSooner : Wondering when OKC will finally get that ATL route...
154 IMissPiedmont : Pity about the TUS-ABQ route being dropped, it was the only good way to fly WN to the southern US. LAS & LAX are poor connection cities.
155 iowaman : I'm not all so sure WN will ever operate OKC-ATL.
156 Post contains images enilria : The delay on MEM is very interesting. WN is really treating DL with kid gloves. Related to the 717 transaction? Do we think for a second that F9 didn
157 airliner371 : They are bringing AirTran's LGA-ATL down to 6 because 8 was not needed, 6 can serve it just as well and it gave them a big opportunity in the LGA-HOU
158 panam330 : It's great to see synergies and optimization of the two networks, but am I alone in thinking that all of this 'switching between WN/FL' stuff is incre
159 ouboy79 : Didn't you just answer your own question? I would think WN is striving to not have a notoriously bad merger.
160 iowaman : It's certainly seems slow, but don't forget it's taken DL a substantial amount of time to pull down MEM after the NW merger. There were some stations
161 chrisair : Eh, it's hit and miss in my experience, at least LF wise. Losing this flight (and the other WN reductions here) is going to force me to move to Phoen
162 skycub : And yet, no one is complaining about any major "issues." Go to flyertalk and read the threads about how horrendous the SHARES switch-over has been at
163 IMissPiedmont : Losing this flight (and the other WN reductions here) is going to force me to move to Phoenix in 2013. Why on earth would ths force such a drastic mo
164 airliner371 : Wow, I could not have said it better myself, you are on the ball.
165 dadoftyler : Kind of nice for once for mostly good news in a Southwest/AirTran new sked report! Although the loss of ABQ-TUS and BHM-MSY personally hurt me--guys,
166 airliner371 : Is this a sign that SWA is starting to wrap up the major cuts in cities like BMH, BOI and ABQ and that what you have now is relatively stable or is i
167 Cubsrule : More hub centered? Sure, but unless you can argue with a straight face that cities like MSY or MCI are hubs - and I cannot - we are not seeing WN bec
168 spiritair97 : They are still moving closer to becoming a hub carrier. Keep in mind, hub carrier are allowed to have focus cities (i.e. US Airways @ DCA, DL @ BOS,
169 ADent : I think the UA/CO thing was going pretty smoothly when the ran the airline as two separate airlines. It really wasn't until the SHARES merger that th
170 Cubsrule : I'd argue that the legacy focus city is pretty much dead. US at DCA is, within the confines of the facilities and the perimeter rule, a hub. DL at BO
171 iowaman : Some pretty early departures in the new schedule. SWA325 STL-LAS leaves at 5:30am and I see a 5:45am LAS-MDW as well. In the past it seems as if WN tr
172 MSYtristar : I'd add in HOU as a hub, and MCI/SAN as focus cities, but I agree on the whole. Things may be changing at WN, but one thing that isn't is that there
173 usflyguy : WN+FL largest stations with the newest schedule... MDW 261 BWI 235 LAS 229 ATL 185 PHX 175 DEN 169 HOU 159 MCO 135 (75 WN, 60 FL) DAL 131 LAX 116 OAK
174 airliner371 : Thanks! I would consider DAL and up Hubs and LAX through TPA focus cities.
175 chrisair : Simple. I'm doing the drive 3-4x a month now as it is since there are no flights out of Tucson. Take a look at schedules and frequencies on many of t
176 Joeljack : Anybody look at a PHX year over year comparison for June? By the couple cities that I checked and that I could remember, it looks like WN is drawing d
177 bjorn14 : Are there any redeyes in this schedule?
178 AWACSooner : IIRC, they said they'd start connecting dots at ATL this year...but haven't yet...and I recall that OKC was on the list.
179 knope2001 : In a lot of ways, this hasn’t been a merger at all…at least not yet. Southwest is winding down AirTran and slowly taking over assets, employees a
180 IMissPiedmont : [quote=chrisair,reply=175] I suspect this particular inconvenience will be temporary, though, since the Wright Amendment goes away . I believe you may
181 infiniti329 : In the public's eye they are two separate airlines but on paper and in the government's eyes they are one.
182 sdoyon : In regards to STL: BOS +1 LIT -1 [n/s ends] MCO -2 RDU +1 RSW -1 Overall down 2 daily flights; from 95 to 93.
183 Post contains images chrisair : I'm not in Vail. I'm near the Marriott Starr Pass--I can see it from my street. As for living in PHX, I'm typically home 3-4 days at a time, so "home
184 ERJ170 : Hmmmm... Did not see the PDF that shows the changes, but this is what I could gather from RDU. I compared flight schedules 26Nov2012. To 26Jul2013...
185 bjorn14 : So they cut RDU-PHL?
186 sdoyon : Yeah, it ends on March 8th.
187 Post contains links iowaman : Some of you Southwest route fans may enjoy this article on WN/FL routes in ATL: Integrated schedules will be a critical juncture for Southwest in Atla
188 southwest737500 : Man I would love to see WN add CLT-ATL
189 ouboy79 : Why? It would fall under the short hob category that the company is moving away from in several markets. Sure it may transition over from FL at some
190 Cubsrule : The company doesn't seem to have any difficulty keeping routes of between 200 and 250 miles that feed large hubs - MDW-DTW/STL/SDF, or BWI-RDU/PIT/IS
191 iowaman : DSM released their operating statistics for October 2012. I know in other threads some members asked how WN is performing there. October shows 6,811 e
192 airliner371 : I think he is aware of the probability and all, I think he was just saying what he would like.
193 Post contains links ouboy79 : Right and that's the key...to feed large hubs. Anything out of MDW or BWI is going to feed a large amount of traffic. ATL isn't a large connecting st
194 bobloblaw : Id say that MDW, DEN, BWI and PHX are really true hubs(I think I read that MDW is 50% connect). MCO and LAS are probably heavily local. I think STL w
195 dbo861 : I'm hoping this is good enough for WN to stick around DSM and extend their lease at the airport. Maybe they'll do like what they did at ICT and go to
196 stl1326 : It looks like the 2 MCO flights will now be operated by AirTran with this upcoming schedule change. AirTran will operate 3 daily STL-MCO flights in a
197 Cubsrule : I didn't see a suggestion that WN ought to start it before, at a minimum, a domestic codeshare.
198 Post contains links airliner371 : The thread on FL applying for DEN-SJD has been archived and I don't think it will get a lot of conversation so I would like to update you here and say
199 Post contains images wnflyguy : This is great news. Personally I would like to see the 2nd daily SNA-SJD operate only on Friday and Sunday. Then add NEW service to ZIH on Tuesday an
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