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WN Gets FAA Approval For Int'l Ops  
User currently offlineN211BW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12192 times:

According to a source

The FAA has granted Southwest Airlines the freedom to fly to San Juan, Puerto Rico, and international destinations.

Launch dates & destinations could be announced as early as next week.


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2800 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12186 times:
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I thought when they switched to the AirTran certificate it gave them the ability to fly international? Or is there more to it?
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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4602 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12043 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 1):

I thought when they switched to the AirTran certificate it gave them the ability to fly international? Or is there more to it?

It is pretty complicated since it is a joint certificate, but it is partitioned with the FL side of the operation separated. Now everything should be equal so the international ops can start getting transitioned over.


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2800 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12032 times:
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Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 2):
It is pretty complicated since it is a joint certificate, but it is partitioned with the FL side of the operation separated. Now everything should be equal so the international ops can start getting transitioned over.

Ah okay! I wonder if WN would open up service to Canada and Mexico now!
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User currently offlinesonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11885 times:
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The more competition, the better for all of us who fly   Best of luck to WN.

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4602 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11843 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 3):
Ah okay! I wonder if WN would open up service to Canada and Mexico now!

All that FL flying to Mexico is eventually going to be flown by WN metal. Canada I would imagine is only a matter of time.


User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11836 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 5):
Canada I would imagine is only a matter of time.

Maybe? Canada is kind of expensive in terms of taxes/fees. That's why Plattsburgh, NY; Burlington, VT; Buffalo, NY; Bellingham, WA; etc... are so popular with the Canadian set. I doubt we'll see WN in Canada in the near-term (5 years)


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5115 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11778 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 6):


Maybe? Canada is kind of expensive in terms of taxes/fees. That's why Plattsburgh, NY; Burlington, VT; Buffalo, NY; Bellingham, WA; etc... are so popular with the Canadian set. I doubt we'll see WN in Canada in the near-term (5 years)

I'm thinking the same thing. Plenty of fish to fry before Canada and those hideous taxes.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11587 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 6):
Canada is kind of expensive in terms of taxes/fees.

Didn't stop WestJet from flying U.S./Canada at all.......



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5115 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11561 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):

Didn't stop WestJet from flying U.S./Canada at all......

Well yeah, but WestJet is BASED in Canada, they have to deal with it. WN doesn't.



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User currently offlinesanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11564 times:

Don't they need seat assignments for Int'l flights??? US Govnment requires that?? Please correct me if I'm wrong??

User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11490 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 2):
Now everything should be equal so the international ops can start getting transitioned over.

Besides that pesky reservation system...  



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11474 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 9):
WN doesn't.

Oh, they will if they decide to start up Canadian services.

Also, it sure hasn't stopped AS/QX either......



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11439 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Oh, they will if they decide to start up Canadian services.

Absolutely. They will do Canada and when they do they will have to deal with it.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11412 times:

I'm immediately thinking LatAm from PHX. But there's some tech issues involved here; only Terminal 4 concourse B is international; after deplaning they'd have to tow the WN planes to the C & D concourses.


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User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11363 times:

Why does WN need to be 'granted' permission to fly to SJU? Are you referring to a technical permission or some sort of route permission?


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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11337 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):
Didn't stop WestJet from flying U.S./Canada at all.......

I'd also like to point out, for the record, that most LCC American airlines (NK, B6, F9, and YX [see below]) don't fly to Canada.

I think all LCCs in the US (or airlines that consider themselves LCCs) watched VX fail on SFO-YYZ because of high costs and were like "Nah, we'll focus our energy somewhere more profitable."

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly WN to places like Montreal, Quebec, and Halifax but I'm not going to hold my breath. They have bigger fish to fry in terms of destinations.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 17):
watched VX fail on SFO-YYZ

I don't think (and I hope) airlines don't look at VX to see if they would succeed on a route.

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 17):
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly WN to places like Montreal, Quebec, and Halifax but I'm not going to hold my breath. They have bigger fish to fry in terms of destinations.

I don't think it will happen soon but it will eventually happen.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11268 times:

Be nice to see WN go somewhere in Canada other than the usual YYZ.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11254 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 17):

Lets just agree to disagree.



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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3829 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11098 times:

Quoting santi319 (Reply 10):
Don't they need seat assignments for Int'l flights???

No.

Quoting santi319 (Reply 10):
US Govnment requires that??

No. VivaAerobus operates transborder flights and they don't have assigned seating.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4602 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 12):
Besides that pesky reservation system...  

The day it is retired there will be a huge party around WN I think. LOL

However, I have thought of something. This is just me thinking not anything I've heard. However, the FL res system already handles int'l. So I don't see why it couldn't be used a stop gap in the interim to handle int'l bookings until Amadeus is brought online. To me that would be something to look into.

Quoting Reply 16):
Why does WN need to be 'granted' permission to fly to SJU? Are you referring to a technical permission or some sort of route permission?

It all comes down to technical stuff in operating over-water and the various other specifics required for it. Granted it isn't ETOPS to SJU, but they wanted to get the technical stuff knocked out so it gives them full flag status to remove all route restrictions. At least for the WN side of the cert.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 19):
Be nice to see WN go somewhere in Canada other than the usual YYZ.

Not many other options with as much revenue potential.


User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10894 times:

Quoting Reply 16):

Why does WN need to be 'granted' permission to fly to SJU? Are you referring to a technical permission or some sort of route permission?

Someone said before that it was due to the diversion airports flying from the mainland to SJU would be international airports so flag carrier status is needed.



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User currently offlinejaydub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11020 times:

Quoting Reply 16):
Why does WN need to be 'granted' permission to fly to SJU? Are you referring to a technical permission or some sort of route permission?

There aren't a whole lot of U.S. Territories that can be used as alternates between Florida and SJU. Thus, the authorization to operate internationally is needed more for the enroute than the destination.


25 EA CO AS : Alaska Air Group has found BLI to be quite attractive, however - and that's a direct result of Canadians deciding YVR is just too damned expensive to
26 Post contains images RWA380 : AS has stopped WN plenty of times too........
27 Post contains images txkf2010 : Knowing WN, instead of flying into lets say YYC or YEG, they'd decide on YQF!
28 AirframeAS : But does have AS service to/from YVR?
29 OzarkD9S : IF they decide. Or they could avoid the situation altogether and look to the south for future expansion. Which is what they're doing in the near term
30 iloveboeing : Which leads me to this question: would flying to Montreal and other places in Quebec require WN to hire French-speaking flight attendants? I don't kn
31 txkf2010 : Nope, Westjet(not sure about Air Canada) doesn't even always have a French speaking FA. They just have their required announcements prerecorded in Fr
32 flybynight : Yes they do through Horizon Air (all Horizon Q400's are now painted as AS by the way).
33 chrisair : They also have nonstop service on mainline AS to LAX. I've taken that flight a few times and it's always packed. It's even worse now that they trimme
34 xaapb : Kind of strange, It's been about 3 or 4 years since I flew out of MEX and back into MEX with AA but I remember in-flight announcements were made in b
35 Post contains links jporterfi : I don't believe that the U.S. government requires it. See this thread.
36 aznmadsci : I'm wondering how soon they will start work with the international concourse at HOU.
37 Post contains links sdoyon : Construction is set to begin in the spring of 2013. Source: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...l-for-hobby-airport-155831575.html
38 countrymalenc : Both FL and WN are on the same Operating Certificate but when WN asked the FAA about flying across the water and international, they were told that e
39 steeler83 : I know that WN has "right-sized" PHL after their merger with FL, but can we see any int'l flights out of PHL on WN? Or will they primarily do that out
40 einsteinboricua : Aw yeah! WN to San Juan...can't wait!
41 aztrainer : Agree, but I also wonder how much of a modification D South concourse would take to change and then build the last of the C wings? I also can see it
42 klmd11l : About time, smaller and much younger LCCs (B6, F9, NK, SY & VX) have been flying international for years. Good luck WN.
43 blueflyer : Different needs, different infrastructure, different capabilities. Not easy to switch from one to the next, and very expensive. Someone once compared
44 ouboy79 : No. Yes it is the old Braniff SAAS system.
45 ScottB : Not necessarily; back before the D concourse opened, WN used the high-B concourse where the international gates are. But D-8 to B-28 would be quite a
46 aztrainer : I would also wonder about having the split WN staff on the B side and having to transfer everything over to the C & D concourse.
47 airliner371 : Sounds good to me.
48 sdoyon : I'd be curious to see if BWI is in the initial mix; that would bring easy 1-stop connections to most of NE [MHT/BOS/PVD-BWI-SJU] and the eastern Midwe
49 Post contains images wnflyguy : A side from what I posted from the rumor mill. I personally think BWI and/or HOU will see some service. Trying to line up 800 AC flows with rumored se
50 usflyguy : What's the rumored launch date?
51 Post contains images wnflyguy : From what I have been told it's April. Service announcement coming this week . wnfg
52 QANTAS747-438 : Once again, these are all oddly specific for being a "rumor". If this is Company info that is not yet ready to be released, then I would recommend no
53 Post contains images wnflyguy : Looking up the flt times on airtran.com. You'll notice they match perfectly so it looks like times are just being guessed. Fellow nerds guessing thes
54 airliner371 : Remember if the announcement happens, its probably for very few flights because they have to fit it into their current schedule. We know the codeshar
55 ouboy79 : This. He has the disclaimer in his profile, as instructed, but sometimes it is still better to STFU until you see the public release go out. All of u
56 iowaman : In the future I would suggest stating this is not a fact but rather a prediction. In other threads you also seem to post short postings that are very
57 dadoftyler : Ummmm...exqueeze me? Network Planning at Southwest is a team effort, wnflyguy. Many people. Amazing talent. Ridiculous passion! But have to say--you
58 usflyguy : I wonder if this announcement has been pushed back due to Hurricane Sandy or if, in fact, it was just another baseless rumor that it would be announce
59 QANTAS747-438 : No, not a baseless rumor. I think the hurricane definitely pushed back the announcement. Don't know when it would be done though... this weekend woul
60 countrymalenc : Posted over on airlineforums.com there is a quote " Nov 1, 2012 at 10AM SWA will announce service to SJU with start date of April 14,2013." Cities are
61 QANTAS747-438 : Maybe HOU too. These are also the cities the test-flights were done out of, except for TPA. HOU would be good for west coast connections. If not, Wes
62 airliner371 : SJU-MCO and TPA on airtran.com sends me to Southwest.com.[Edited 2012-11-01 08:10:22]
63 Post contains images ouboy79 : Gee I wonder why.
64 drerx7 : Fingers crossed for HOU-SJU
65 DeltAirlines : Southwest filed fares for San Juan last evening from 57 US cities. Sale fares from Orlando and Tampa were also filed.
66 airbazar : I'm thinking WN serves those cities simply because they didn't have approval to fly international routes. But now they do have it so things may chang
67 usflyguy : The only city in that list that WN serves is BUF
68 Post contains images ouboy79 : Interesting.
69 usflyguy : And the Southwest site is redirecting people to AirTran.com
70 ouboy79 : Indeed. When you click on that link...[Edited 2012-11-01 10:36:22]
71 Post contains links airliner371 : SJU is now confirmed with 3 MCO and 1 TPA. http://swamedia.com/releases/1a3ba882-50d9-4852-b509-39b216ba9902
72 Post contains links ouboy79 : WN To Start SJU-MCO/TPA (by iowaman Nov 1 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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