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Are UA 787 Deliveries Behind Schedule?  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3184 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10376 times:

Hey all,

UA's inaugural commercial service flights on the 787 are fast approaching, only a few days away now on 04NOV. And, as far as I know, they still only have one ship on property: N20904

The current 787 schedule from 04NOV to 03DEC only needs 2 ships to run the daily flights to ORD, EWR, SFO, and LAX, given the timings. However... when is the 2nd ship due on property?? With only 10 days until the launch of commercial service flights, it seems to me that both Boeing and United are cutting it extremely close with the deliveries.

Does anyone have access to planned/estimated 787 delivery schedules, or is that sort of thing not published?? Is there a potential that UA will have to cancel or equipment swap half of their 787 flights come 04NOV??


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User currently offlinecruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

They recently said everything for Nov 4th is on schedule however I'm not buying it. I guess time will tell.


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User currently offlineua767400 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

I along with a few other reporters have talked to United about this, and they are saying they will be ready for 11/4. N20904 is going to fly AMS-IAH tomorrow. Also, 3904 will fly IAH-NRT on Saturday and NRT-IAH on Monday which should end the proving runs.

The second aircraft will be cutting it close. Boeing had some delays which is why the second aircraft is not on property.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5721 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

Is the schedule a two-bird schedule? I thought it was...
I hope they iron things out, I'm on the Nov 5th LAX run!


User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9916 times:

Yes its meant to be a two airplane schedule from 4th November - in theory airplane #1 doing IAH-ORD-IAH-LAX-IAH and airplane #2 doing IAH-EWR-IAH-SFO-IAH... And yes I'm getting slightly anxious too as I'm on IAH-LAX on 5th November too...

User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9903 times:

According to:

nyc787.blogspot.com/

due to bad weather, some deliveries are currently being delayed.


User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

Check out this thread ... 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10 (by wilco737 Oct 5 2012 in Civil Aviation)

The next 787 for UA flew last Saturday for the first time. It seems possible that it could be delivered in time but it is cutting it close...


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

Yes, by something like 4 years   

 



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User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9450 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
Yes, by something like 4 years

Hilarious.


Anyhow, what in the sam hell could weather have to do w/delays to an airplane that is built and painted inside? It can't be proving runs right? They can run those anywhere. Amazing struggle for Boeing and the 787.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9396 times:

First flight can't happen in low viz or high wind situations. So it can delay delivery.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5721 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

Thanks for the answers.

Can anyone ACTUALLY CONFIRM whether these aircraft are delivered as (as in, WRITTEN on the certificate above the L1 door) 787-8, 787-822, or 787-824 aircraft?
I need to know for my log, and I've seen photos on both a.net and jetp.net of all three suffixes in use. So, clearly, photographers don't know, either!


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9056 times:

Yes, deliveries are very behind schedule. I think it is doubtful that UA will be able to operate EWR and SFO routings as early as they expected to.

UA schedule changes are updated on Friday Nights/Saturdays. By Sunday, we'll have a better idea of the story.



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User currently offlineB757jetjockey From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Can anyone ACTUALLY CONFIRM whether these aircraft are delivered as (as in, WRITTEN on the certificate above the L1 door) 787-8, 787-822, or 787-824 aircraft?
I need to know for my log, and I've seen photos on both a.net and jetp.net of all three suffixes in use. So, clearly, photographers don't know, either!



From what I've been told the Airworthiness Certificate will have the UAL -822 suffix versus the old CAL -824 suffix. The first batch of B-787s really are CAL aircraft but since the CAL Operating Certificate does not exist or was mergered into the United certificate. It will be flown and operated by former CAL crews based in IAH.

When you get onboard the shiny new aircraft ask if you can look at the Airworthiness Certificate. More than likely it will be mounted in the cockpit by the cockpit door not above Door 1L.


User currently offlineJayBird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8165 times:
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I just got this in from United regarding passengers who are already ticketed on 787 flights:

"Waiver for 787 Delivery

United's first Boeing 787 Dreamliner has officially joined the fleet, and the company is excited to inaugurate its first commercial flight with this aircraft on November 4, 2012.

While the first Dreamliner enters commercial service next month, Boeing has informed United about an unexpected delay in the delivery of the second aircraft. While many flights will continue to operate with the 787, this delay will result in some flights being operated by other aircraft.

As the North American launch carrier for the 787, United recognizes that many customers
have chosen a specific flight because of the aircraft type. In the event that a previously scheduled 787 flight is changed to another aircraft type, customers are permitted to rebook or refund their travel without penalty.

Travel agents assisting customers with these changes or refunds may do so for travel booked between November 4 and December 31, 2012. Rescheduled travel must be completed by January 31, 2013.

United apologizes for the inconvenience this may cause."


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8073 times:

Quoting B757jetjockey (Reply 12):
From what I've been told the Airworthiness Certificate will have the UAL -822 suffix versus the old CAL -824 suffix. The first batch of B-787s really are CAL aircraft but since the CAL Operating Certificate does not exist or was mergered into the United certificate. It will be flown and operated by former CAL crews based in IAH.

When you get onboard the shiny new aircraft ask if you can look at the Airworthiness Certificate. More than likely it will be mounted in the cockpit by the cockpit door not above Door 1L.

The CO certificate does still exist. It was the UA certificate # that was retired.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7925 times:

Ooh snap, I am on the Nov 10th EWR flight!


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Can anyone ACTUALLY CONFIRM whether these aircraft are delivered as (as in, WRITTEN on the certificate above the L1 door) 787-8, 787-822, or 787-824 aircraft?

Not sure about the paper certificate but if you do a N number search on the FAA website N20904 its listed as a 787-8 vs N666UA which is a 767-322. Probably not conclusive but highly suggestive that Boeing has done away with customer codes on the 787.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 14):
The CO certificate does still exist. It was the UA certificate # that was retired.

Exactly CALA014A is the surviving 121 certificate which is currently registered to United Air Lines Inc - Continental Airlines.

However which customer code is used (or not used) has absolutely nothing to do with the 121 certificate.



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User currently offlinenjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Just got a call stating my 787 from sfo-iah on the 4th is now operating as something else...


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User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7269 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 15):
Ooh snap, I am on the Nov 10th EWR flight!

Well at least their will be more than one going to EWR, I'm on the Nov 10th CLE flight that is once only!  



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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/10/26/ua-787domestic-update2/

User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

Quoting n797mx (Reply 18):
Ooh snap, I am on the Nov 10th EWR flight!

Well at least their will be more than one going to EWR, I'm on the Nov 10th CLE flight that is once only!

Well just looked at my flight... no more 787 to CLE....   



Clear skies and strong tail winds.
User currently offlinespeedbrds From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

I'm on the Nov 5th flight from LAX-IAH and IAH - EWR and EWR - IAH on the 6th and I'm not holding my breath. It's going to be a close call. Nevertheless, I'm excited as heck! See you guys there.

User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 19):

Thanks a lot for the link. I'm on the Dec 6th EWR-IAH. So far so good.



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User currently offline1stclass From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6775 times:

I booked UA77 from IAH to IAD on 11/17, it was 787 until this morning. It is now 762. I'm guessing it is running behind schedule.

User currently offlineua767400 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

Quoting speedbrds (Reply 21):

Your LAX-IAH flight should be good, but no 787 for your EWR flights


25 AA737-823 : It looks like, for the first three weeks, the plane is simply doing IAH-ORD-IAH-LAX-IAH every day. So, for the time being, I'm in good shape, but all
26 CALTECH : "Posted October 26, 2012 Due to unexpected further 787 delivery delays from Boeing, some flights originally scheduled to operate with our new 787 Dre
27 speedbrds : That's not fun. Well, like I said, I'm not surprised one bit. I checked with United.com. They changed the equipment to a 764.
28 Norcal773 : That's a real bummer. Hopefully you get it rebooked soon. Mine seems to be still on but not sure if I should just make other plans now.
29 FriendlySkies : Any word on just how far they have slipped? To my understanding there are three aircraft (902, 905, 906) ready for flight testing in Everett, and ther
30 LFutia : So far so good for me as I'm travelling to IAH on December 3rd on the 787... Leo/ORD
31 adamspotter : What a bummer.. Was coming from Europe to fly those domestic UA 787 fligths and they most probably will get changed now.. (according to airlineroute)
32 Post contains images n797mx : Just rebooked last night after a two hour phone call to United. Now I'm going CLE-IAH-EWR-IAH-CLE leaving Nov 9th staying over night in IAH and getti
33 Norcal773 : Very cool. What date are you on it IAH-EWR-IAH? I'll be on the IAH-EWR leg on the 10th on my way to DUB. Yeah, EWR sucks a$$ but I guess it is what i
34 ual747-600 : How long will it take UA to put future deliveries into service? UAL747-600
35 NYC777 : UA's 787 flights in to and out of IAD and EWR may also be impacted by after effects of Hurricane Sandy so you may want to check again soon before your
36 Norcal773 : Yeah, will definitely keep an eye on it over the last week. Problem is that I can't cancel my flight because it is part of a longer trip to DUB so al
37 N766UA : I just cancelled my Nov 10th CLE-IAH 787. On the plus side, UAL had the forethought to set up a special desk and phone number seperate from their god-
38 Post contains images n797mx : I'm going on November 10th on UA1146 and got the last window seat in economy 27L for the return flight. Feel free to come over and say hi. I kind of
39 Norcal773 : Wil do for sure!
40 Roseflyer : That's nice because with the Hurricane Sandy cancellations, the reservation wait times can be in the hours.
41 Post contains links LAXintl : Sounds like all 4 of the deliveries expected before the end of the year will suffer delays. Boeing says 787s for United Airlines are delayed http://fi
42 MasseyBrown : This delay apparently affects only UA 787's. Something to do with IFE, perhaps? With they reschedule the flight? I'd guess they will. The main purpose
43 SonomaFlyer : They haven't specified the reason for the UA 787 delay at this point. Several have speculated it could be related to air conditioning/electrical issue
44 Norcal773 : Ok, now I am worried about EWR weather next week although that might be an over-kill. I just got off the phones with UA and they don't expect things t
45 Post contains links humanitarian : It may have something to do with last minutes changes to the cockpit safety/security barrier controversy. See the video after the commercial assuming
46 FriendlySkies : This should not have any implications on airworthiness or FAA certification. It is not an FAA requirement to have such a gate in place, UA's method o
47 RDH3E : Are you sure? Since that was the ONLY CLE flight I'd think that familiarizing 1 group of X number of employees would be fairly worthless. I think the
48 N766UA : I think the main reason is that the airplane needs a good shake down, and why fly to EBF when you have perfectly good hubs? On the plus side, it's a
49 CONTACREW : UA took delivery of it's 2nd 787 today.
50 SonomaFlyer : Excellent! I wonder if this development will change UA's plans regarding the domestic schedule.
51 AA737-823 : They say they're going to fly it ad-hoc for the time being... not exactly sure what that's about.
52 Transpac787 : So, basically, UA would have made the 04NOV inaugural flight schedule, given the 01NOV delivery of ship 906?? Blah. Retrospect is 20/20 but geez....
53 Post contains links Roseflyer : UA's second 787 is en route to IAH. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL6866
54 max550 : So is there any chance that the IAH-EWR flights will be reinstated? Or will they wait a week or two to iron out any issues?
55 United787 : Maybe they need more time to initiate the new 787 into their fleet...
56 AA737-823 : Probably not; the aircraft still isn't certificated, and this bird (906) may require some work once it arrives on property. Note that Continental/Uni
57 FriendlySkies : Besides the activities UA needs to perform to bring this aircraft into the fleet, the number of issues that arose during the FAA cert flights have pr
58 Post contains links deltaffindfw : Boeing confirms that the rest of UA's 787s will NOT be delayed: Boeing (BA) said it expects to deliver future 787 Dreamliner jets to United Airlines (
59 135mech : On a previous thread, I mentioned about Qatar's 787 and it was labeled with a specific customer code, and got flamed by many here that stated (aggres
60 CALTECH : 902 is scheduled to be delivered around the 16th of November. 905 is scheduled to be delivered around the 28th of November. 6 months prior to contract
61 vandenheuvel : My IAH-AMS flight on the 18th of January is now changed to a 764. Since I haven't received a mail about this by United, will it be possible to change
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