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Delta Starts Competition Against AirTran  
User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

ATLANTA, Aug. 31 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) will begin
new nonstop service from Atlanta to Akron/Canton, Ohio; Chicago-Midway and
Fort Walton Beach, Fla. on Saturday, Sept. 1.
"Delta is giving our customers what they want as we introduce the
convenience of even more nonstop service at the Atlanta hub, where Delta
already offers customers more low-fare, discount seats to more destinations
than any other airline," said Mark A.P. Drusch, Delta's senior vice president-
Network Management.
Delta will offer three daily flights between the Atlanta hub and
Akron/Canton. This new service complements Delta Connection carrier Comair's
nonstop service to Akron/Canton from Cincinnati.
Delta's nonstop service from Atlanta to Chicago-Midway will begin with
three flights daily and will expand to five flights on Jan. 1, 2002. The new
Atlanta flights are in addition to Delta Connection carrier Comair's service
to the Cincinnati hub from Midway. Delta also offers hourly service between
Atlanta and Chicago-O'Hare, as well as Comair's nonstop service from O'Hare to
Cincinnati.
Between Atlanta and Fort Walton Beach, Delta will offer customers more
seats as three Delta flights featuring the 142-seat MD-88 aircraft replace
three flights previously operated by Delta Connection carrier Atlantic
Southeast Airlines. ASA offers eight flights between Atlanta and Fort Walton
Beach.
Delta's goal is to become the No. 1 airline in the eyes of its customers,
flying passengers and cargo from anywhere to everywhere. People choose to fly
Delta more often than any other airline in the world on 5,091 flights each day
to 365 cities in 64 countries on Delta, Delta Express, Delta Shuttle, Delta
Connection carriers and Delta's Worldwide Partners. Delta is a founding
member of SkyTeam, a global airline alliance that gives customers extensive
worldwide destinations, flights and services. In addition to safely and
securely making reservations and purchasing tickets at delta.com, Delta
customers can select seats, upgrade, get up-to-date flight information, make
accommodations reservations, and more. U.S.-based travel agencies also can
access Delta Web fares for their customers via delta.com's Online Agency
Service Center. For more information, go to delta.com.


These three routes are all AirTran routes and I suppose are succesful for them. Has Delta ever served these routes before? Has Delta ever had any flights to Midway from any of their hubs? I don't think so. Sorry I saw this and it just screamed competition in my face. I hope that Delta isn't trying to do what American did to Legend. This might be a good thing though. Cheaper prices on those flights (as if it makes a difference for me in Los Angeles). Just thought it'd let you all know.

-aio86


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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Be careful Air Tran. Your death is very soon.

Go, Go, Go, Delta!!!!


RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineBoeingfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Competition - Isn't it grand! Go!

Look at what is happening at RDU, AA Eagle... JI may have a challenge?

May the best carrier win, quick. We need a good sustainable fare increase now more than ever!

The fares are ridiculously low. Cost are rising, labor is at an all time high, fuel, insurance, airport fees, maintenance, not mention the cost of capital ...you name it. Is this anyway to run an industry, you bet it isn't!

People fly 500 mph, arrive safely, pay under USD100 to get there and still complain.


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Delta is gonna get SCREWED SOOOO BAD!!!!!!

Long Live AirTran!!!

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Uncle Joe,
I am with you all the way!!!!! Unlike Delta, AirTran offers lowfares to every city it serves, it lowers the fares on other airlines, offers jet service to markets that ASA serves with Brasilias and ATR72's. Plus they offer a very affordable Business Class for a $25 Upgrade, can't beat that. Inflight service is the same on all flights, a full selection of beverages and snacks (Biscoffs and Party Mix). They don't offer that crappy "Fast Break" service for $475 Bucks. The Boeing 717-200 is wonderful airplane, very environmentally friendly. AirTran offers same concourse connections at ATL, A Good FF Program, X-Fares Standby for 18-21 year olds for $52 Bucks one way, Gift Certificates, and more. Plus assigned seating. I reccomend AirTran to all of you, and jetBlue to other markets.

I give AirTran and jetBlue a GO!!!!!


User currently offlineBonanzaFunjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

RJ_Delta - Airtran will be fine.

Ft. Walton and Pennsacola are raising cash dollars begging for and guarranteeing new or continued service to their cities.

Skip ahead six months in the story of ATL-CAK. Does anyone really see Delta MD-80's on that route or Comair RJ's? Meanwhile Airtran continues DC-9 or 717 service.

ATL-MDW. Delta just left that market, make up your minds do you want to play ball or not?

Airtran makes money at these discounted prices and remember Airtran has a low cost structure. That's why they are a lowfare airline. Calling all Delta F/A's. It's big fat contract time. Go ahead ...organize. PLEASE. You too Mechanics.

Airtran's profits will go into a dive for a while, but Delta will have to pull up soon, before they go down in a sea of red ink.

Airtran will be fine.


BonanzaFunjet


User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

About the fool who wanted fare increases. Why kind of BS is that. I don't see how you can like airplanes and not even be able to fly them because of jacked fares (Like $475 between hubs). Thanks to Southwest Airlines, I am able to see family members from California. My neise makes about 5 or 6 trips a year out to MSY, with good lowfares. I can't wait for jetBlue to start MSY-LGB Service. Thats even better. Herb's goal was to start a unique type of an airline that offers lowfares, great people, frequencies, and hassle free travel experience. Look at the "Southwest Effect". Businesses are popping up everywhere, and one in particular follows SWA in expansion. Business travelers are flying more than ever, and people are brought together, thanks to Southwest and the freedom to fly. You can take your precious Delta, enjoy their lowfare competition service, and then bicker like crazy when the lowfare airlines are gone. And be chained to the ground.

I support lowfare airlines, and I hope people follow me.


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Sorry I saw this and it just screamed competition in my face.

Aio86 --> Competition is what businesses are supposed to engage in. I know it seems unfair given that an airline tries very hard to enter markets dominated by larger carriers in the hopes that they can do a better job. But they are "big boys" and realize that they can get their feathers ruffled.

The competition only gets unfair (and illegal) if Delta were to offer their services below their real cost, for the sole purpose of putting Airtran out of business.

Believe me, competition is best thing that can happen to consumers, and you should be glad it is happening.

Cheers,
Pete


User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

I agree with Pete, we need competiton. You all have your airline preferances, I have mine. With Competition, we can fly on our airline of choice. If DL put FL out of business, your little "Lowfare, Joyful, Fun" Delta days will be bye bye. And mine too (On FL). jetBlue is a mighty carrier, I have lots of confidence and support in David Neeleman. I have travelled 2 hours just to greet people getting off the first flight, with a friend. All the people of jetBlue swarmed around me to greet me, give me gifts, business cards, take pics, and give me and friend a tour of the A320. It was a wonderful day and worth the time.

User currently offlineCritter592 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

DELTA IS A JOKE. That's all I have to say about that (Co LITE has said everything I was gonna say)

GO AIRTRAN, GO, GO, GO, GO AIRTRAN, GO, GO, GO, GO


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

DELTA IS A JOKE. That's all I have to say about that

What a profound and intelligent statement!

Pete


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3786 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

Delta's move, to me, is mindful of the villain in professional wrestling who is so intent on inflicting hurt on his opponent that he loses focus on the real objective of the match and ends up putting himself on his back for the three count pinfall loss at the hands of the target of his mayhem. Hopefully the outcome of Delta's disingenuous, reactionary move will have the same outcome in the markets announced. Has Delta "suddenly discovered" profit potential in routes not deemed viable for mainline service in times that were better than the present?

Competitive decision by Delta? Get Real!!!


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Critter592 wrote:

DELTA IS A JOKE. That's all I have to say about that (Co LITE has said everything I was gonna say)

GO AIRTRAN, GO, GO, GO, GO AIRTRAN, GO, GO, GO, GO


How true it is!!!

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Competition is partly doing things better than your opponent and partly trying to disorient him.

It's like sport. Good passing and stick-handling alone will not always win a game without the occasional body-check.

As far as the villain in pro wrestling, that's pure entertainment.

Cheers,
Pete


User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

Delta is a horrible airline. I think the people at Delta treat me like third class passengers on the Titanic. I have had nothing but horror experiences with Delta. Thanks to them, I got stuck and didn't make it to GRB ontime, cutting a day off of my trip. This was in CVG. There were other planes taking off, all of them, but DELTA! This was the end of me taking Delta. I have met all but 3 nasty FL employees out of about 50. I see nothing but grouch DL people at EVERY station I go to!
Take AirTran.


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Sorry to hear about your bad experience on Delta, Co_Lite. I have not had any bad experiences in over 500,000 miles on DL. Missing a connection is not uniquely a Delta feature, and as a frequent traveler, I always have contingency plans. (I carry enough personal effects for an extra day)

If DL were really that horrible, it would be out of business by now.

Cheers,
Pete



User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

DL was rated High fare Low Satisfaction by Consumer Report Oct 2000 issue. Along with AA and UA. The three worst while NWA, CO and Air Tran were rated marginal. The best were Midwest Express, Aloha and Midway. But my fav is Jetblue. The more competition the better. I love AT. I'm turned off an unimpressed with the big airlines. Hope JB, and AT make a killing.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineBonanzaFunjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Delta-Flyer wrote:

Competition is partly doing things better than your opponent and partly trying to disorient him.

It's like sport. Good passing and stick-handling alone will not always win a game without the occasional body-check.

As far as the villain in pro wrestling, that's pure entertainment.




Well Delta-Flyer, you'll like the move that nimble Airtran will announce moving from Ft. Walton Beach to Pennsacola just 40 miles to the northwest. Seems the people of P'cola put up over $2.0 million dollars to get Airtran to come save them from high fares. P'cola is a larger city and has military bases to tap for low fare passengers.

Ft. Walton Beach airport will be going through two years major construction that will require passengers to board from tents. The good pople of Ft. Walton Beach that want low fares (and who doesn't) will just have to drive a few miles down to P'cola.

Now, just how long is Delta going to leave those nice big MD-80's in Ft. Walton Beach.

Round one goes to Airtran.

BonanzaFunjet


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

I don't want to keep on flogging a dead horse, but here is one more thought. The small niche airlines are forcing fares overall to go down, which is good for consumers. I benefit from that, too, because I can fly Delta to Chicage for $230, same as Southwest. I think this is great, and wish them success.

But it is not reasonable to compare an Airtran or a Southwest to a major like Delta. They are different businesses, serving different clientele. You have to understand that my needs are different from yours, and a Jetblue or an Airtran cannot satisfy them. (And I am part of the majority when it comes to money spent on airfare.) I travel frequently to many different destinations from Jackson MS. I need an airline that flies to all these destinations and offers frequent daily flights to each. For example, if I miss the 5:35 pm departure coming home from Chicago (via CVG), I can catch the one at 6:10 via ATL or the 7:45 also via ATL. Another example, I am going to Paris in a couple of weeks and have a choice of 4 overseas flights a day (one of them AF, a partner) with only one change of aircraft.

I really don't care about the skirmishes between Delta and Airtran at Fort Walton Beach, nor about the Consumer Reports rating, nor that an agent was once rude to a teenager. Delta provides me with exactly what I need, and as I said before, with virtually no hassle. When that situation changes, I will look for another carrier.

So, you see I get a bit uptight when someone says "Delta is a joke" because that not only reflects an immature, unreasoned attitude, but is totally unfounded.

Cheers,
Pete



User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

We all have our own opinions. My type of travel is leisure, so I am with Airtran, Frontier, jetBlue and others. I think customer service is better at smaller airlines. Northwest is about the only major airline I fly. I have not tried Continental. I like the convinence of Memphis Airport from where I live (GPT Region).

User currently offlineMad dog From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

air tran is pulling out of vps--starting service in pns in mid-november--giving dl some competition


User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Business travelers are flying more than ever

No, no, no, no no. In the past year, biz travel has declined, BIGTIME. Most companies are now telling their people that travel must be limited to only essential travel. It's called a slowing economy.


User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Co LITE,

I respect that you're a leisure travel person. But you have to realize that between 60 and 70 percent of an airline's profits come from the biz travel types. It's those of us who are willing to pay $1200 for a ticket from PIT to TPA for a meeting with a customer that make money for the airlines. Granted, its being paid by my company and not my wallet.

You also have to realize that because I'm flying on a higher-margin ticket, any airline will most likely work a little harder to rebook me to my destination because they want me (and the profit margins associated with my ticket) to come back.

One of the key points to airline economics is that biz fares cause profits to go up and leisure fares cause RPMs to go up.


User currently offlineCo LITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

I don't have a problem with Business Fares being so high. I heard they actually make leisure fares lower, if im not mistaken. Its good businessman don't have to pay those fares.

User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

At least Air Tran isn't dumb enough to introduce a new scheme like Delta.
GO AIR TRAN!!
rgds,
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
25 BonanzaFunjet : Delta-Flyer, thank-you for thoughts. At this point you are in the majority for money spent on airfare, but even the Wall Street Journal has picked up
26 Co LITE : Yes, thats right. AirTran and jetBlue are a Business Travelers favorite. On AirTran, if your Business does not pay for Business Class, then you can ha
27 TxAgKuwait : Sccutler said it well on one of these threads the other day. Nobody stops to realize it...they throw all this nonsense around about "no business traff
28 Delta-flyer : On the subject of Delta's high fares -- I'll concede that the low-fare airlines are attracting business travelers away from the majors. As long as the
29 BonanzaFunjet : Delta-Flyer - Agreed. Airtran does the same thing. When the plane is near full the price of the ticket goes up. Airtran is retiring their last 732 fro
30 Oldelwood : Hey guys you have to remember critter592 and Co LITE are a couple of teenagers and act like it! Delta flys more pax than any airline in the world! the
31 Aio86 : For sure Delta is going to be along for a long long time. I don't think that they're in debt and I think that the company is running smoothly. I didn'
32 Mah4546 : airTran flies the 737 on MIA-ATL, and other routes I am sure. Now, I do believe airTran also leased some 737s, no? From Miami Air, I think.
33 Post contains links and images Travatl : aio86 - AirTran inherited 12 737-200s from the AirTran/ValuJet merger in 1997. One was immediately turned back (leased). Seven left over the course of
34 Srbmod : Some analysts have been a little more rosy in projecting AirTran as a major airline by March of 2002. As for Delta's moves into mainline service to CA
35 FlyPNS1 : I have a feeling those MD88's at VPS may be very short lived. Airtran has already announced their intention to move VPS operation to PNS sometime in l
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