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Qatar Airways To Add ATL/BOS/DTW In 2013  
User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 925 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14593 times:

This is great news as the CEO Of QR announced that after ORD is added in April 2013, that ATL, BOS and DTW will be the next USA destinations and that it will add 15-16 destinations globally.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...2/10/24/qatar-airways-ceo/1655711/


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7201 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

Wow surprising, given DTW and ATL as Skyteam hubs, and given QR's announcement into O.W. I'm assuming at DTW QR will fly into the North Terminal?


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14509 times:

QR had hinted at those routes and ORD shortly before DOH-ORD was announced. Didn't surprise me one bit.

Wouldn't be surprised if ATL and DTW are 787 routes to start - IMO, the only route of the three that can support a 77W from the start is BOS.



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User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14447 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Thread starter):

This is great news as the CEO Of QR announced that after ORD is added in April 2013, that ATL, BOS and DTW will be the next USA destinations and that it will add 15-16 destinations globally.

The year 2013 was not specifically mentioned as the date for service beginning to these cities. In fact, a precise timetable for service was not provided other than "soon."


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14246 times:

Great news for Boston: it's the first M/E route for that airport and of course, with QR now being in oneworld, there'll be plenty of feed from AA there.

User currently offlinecybergus From Venezuela, joined Mar 2006, 507 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14212 times:

Great news!!!. But...

Quoting globalflyer (Thread starter):
that ATL, BOS and DTW

Wouldn't MIA make more sense than ATL since the O.W entrance? BOS and DTW will do great 4 sure.

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14135 times:

Does the B787 have the range to do the flight to ATL nonstop or will there be a fuel stop somewhere?


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14027 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 6):
Does the B787 have the range to do the flight to ATL nonstop or will there be a fuel stop somewhere?

They would only do it nonstop; the 787's range is very long, so I don't think it would be any problem. Of course, it needs to be scheduled quite early in the morning, due to DOH's temperatures.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13949 times:

So it would seem the Qatar and Emirates battle will start ramping up in Earnest. It seems the 787 is going to start changing the dynamics of the VHLA needs.


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4384 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13916 times:

Wow, in a few years when TK gets more of its own metal it is going to be a blood bath between QR and TK, since TK suggested it will open IAH next April followed by DTW, BOS, MIA. Even there was a mention of ATL.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13917 times:

So one of the Mid-East carriers figured out that DTW is a great market for a Mid-East carrier?

About time.


User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13833 times:

I believe this topic was discussed earlier in the year.

But this is great news to see they are still committed to these cities, I love seeing QR grow, giving the other gulf carriers some competition. I'm not a huge fan of EK, I believe their product is overrated.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17339 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13668 times:

Wow...I imagine these cities were picked by diktat rather than any market demand. Connecting the world's biggest hub to another hub w/ little local demand makes no sense. I could see how Al Baker sees the world's biggest hub and thinks "we need to fly there!" and DTW because "there are a lot of Middle Easterners there!", and BOS, well, who knows.


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13364 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):


So one of the Mid-East carriers figured out that DTW is a great market for a Mid-East carrier?

About time.

Royal Jordanian is already @ DTW. And AMM is better situated for much of the connecting traffic than DOH is, given that a good deal of the ethnic ME population is from the Levant area, west of DOH.

I'm surprised TK didn't beat QR to the punch.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13345 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):

Royal Jordanian is already @ DTW. And AMM is better situated for much of the connecting traffic than DOH is, given that a good deal of the ethnic ME population is from the Levant area, west of DOH.

I guess I don't view Royal Jordanian as being the sort of ME carrier that QR, EY, and EK to be.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17339 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13329 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
Royal Jordanian is already @ DTW. And AMM is better situated for much of the connecting traffic than DOH is, given that a good deal of the ethnic ME population is from the Levant area, west of DOH.

   For example DTWBEY is 2000+ miles shorter via CDG than DOH. Even if AF/DL have higher costs than QR, they can charge the same as QR and make more/lose less.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13289 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):


I guess I don't view Royal Jordanian as being the sort of ME carrier that QR, EY, and EK to be.

Neither do I. But there is more to the Middle East than the Big Three. And of those QR got there first so props to them on that score.

[Edited 2012-10-26 15:23:17]


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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12799 times:

Wow..have to say I didn't believe the rumors! Odd choices in my opinion but good luck to QR..ATL?? Really??! I'm sure DL/AF/KL will go into defensive mode and drop prices via CDG/AMS to the ME. I don't see them lasting too long

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12583 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 16):
But there is more to the Middle East than the Big Three.

Stuff and nonsense!  
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
For example DTWBEY is 2000+ miles shorter via CDG than DOH. Even if AF/DL have higher costs than QR, they can charge the same as QR and make more/lose less.

How is RJA's India service? Huge subcontinental population in Detroit, too.


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12495 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 9):
Wow, in a few years when TK gets more of its own metal it is going to be a blood bath between QR and TK, since TK suggested it will open IAH next April followed by DTW, BOS, MIA. Even there was a mention of ATL.

I don't know which are the most popular connections for TK/QR from the US, but I would say that they have each own its niche. TK's strengths from the US would be in Central Asia, Russia, "Far" Eastern Europe (Ukraine, Belarus), Western Africa, Levant and Saudi Arabia. QR's strengths would probably be the Indian subcontinent.

It is not the same as for TK/QR from Western Europe, where they compete for the huge Far Eastern traffic (and eventually for Australia whenever TK starts services there).

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
Wow...I imagine these cities were picked by diktat rather than any market demand. Connecting the world's biggest hub to another hub w/ little local demand makes no sense. I could see how Al Baker sees the world's biggest hub and thinks "we need to fly there!" and DTW because "there are a lot of Middle Easterners there!", and BOS, well, who knows.

BOS is the wealthiest/largest urban area (along with MIA) in the US not served to date by any of the three Gulf carriers, so QR will likely take advantage of being the first (which I think usually doesn't work very well for them, because whenever EK enters in any market... EK usually becomes the largest operator among EK/EY/QR very quickly). There is a reasonably wealthy Indian community in the BOS area and also don't forget that there are +300,000 college/grad students in the region. And particularly, which is probably much more important that the Indian or Qatari student or researcher flying home twice a year on the cheapest ticket (well, maybe not the Qataris), there is a number of universities that generate a lot of additional premium or high-paying economy international traffic (lectures, conferences, seminars, research, etc.)

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
Royal Jordanian is already @ DTW. And AMM is better situated for much of the connecting traffic than DOH is, given that a good deal of the ethnic ME population is from the Levant area, west of DOH.

Exactly, it seems that everytime those topics come to the forum, someone has to explain that going to AMM/BEY/DAM from the US/Canada via DXB/DOH/AUH is non-sense.


User currently offlineflyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12345 times:

Many arabs and indians have funneled their money through DOH and DXB/AUH. You'll see Lebanese and Iranian nationals living in the USA with money over there. That's what fuels the demand to Dubai these days.

User currently offlinederwentwater747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12101 times:

Take IAD off the 77W and put that into ATL and stick it to DL. Make Dulles a 787. It would be insane to see Logan on the 77W for starting operations.

User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11685 times:

still no plans for Qatar to fly to LAX? Its gonna be really good for BOS though, as QR is going to pick up some major traffic headed to the ME and the Indian subcontinent.

[Edited 2012-10-26 18:17:52]

User currently offlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11569 times:

From April of this year:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...icago-as-787-deliveries-begin.html



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11502 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
Royal Jordanian is already @ DTW. And AMM is better situated for much of the connecting traffic than DOH is, given that a good deal of the ethnic ME population is from the Levant area, west of DOH.

It is not just the ME traffic. QR will definitely target India and the subcontinent. DL/KL/AF only fly to DEL, BOM and BLR in India. QR flies to other cities in India giving a convenient 1-stop option from DTW.

Quoting toobz (Reply 17):
I'm sure DL/AF/KL will go into defensive mode and drop prices via CDG/AMS to the ME. I don't see them lasting too long

QR will look to pull India traffic giving them the advantage of flying 1-stop to secondary Indian cities.


25 johns624 : Detroit has a large Yemeni population, also. It seems to be third in ME nationalities, behing Lebanese and Iraqis (Chaldeans).
26 styles9002 : I believe El Al served Boston at one point in the 1990s so that would have been the 1st M/E route for Logan.
27 miaintl : Surprised that no gulf carrier has expressed any interest in serving MIA yet. I wonder what's keeping them from coming here? I suspect poor yields may
28 N62NA : I'm with you on that one, but as we're always told by our fellow a.net members, "The airline knows better than you do!"
29 miaintl : Exactly which makes me believe that QR noticed that MIA is a poor yielding destination.
30 Rockinflyer : You know? I would suggest BOTH MIA and ATL. They can pull it off. I think, as far as DTW goes, even though they are part of whatever alliance, QR met
31 caliatenza : I still want to know why QR is leaving LAX off its list. Is this because of lack of aircraft to make that trip? Surely QR can beat EK at its own game
32 Post contains images Rockinflyer : I think LAX will follow soon after. They need to work on this first, but I'm sure QR will make it to LAX or SFO (which would be ok) very shortly afte
33 Post contains images migair54 : -DTW -ORD -ATL -BOS and then, also, -BHX -SGN-PHN -more PER also probably, Tokyo flights -SFO -LAX -MIA -Maybe ACC How many Widebody planes will they
34 TK787 : It is incredible but two different approaches; TK has a huge domestic population/pax base (serves 35 domestic destinations). TK depends on transit tr
35 neveragain : As long as Emirates, Etihad, and Qatar sell attractively priced tickets to those destinations via their hubs (which they do--go to Emirates' website
36 NASCARAirforce : Most of Detroit area's Mideast population is Syrian, Lebonese, Palestinean, Iraqi (of course all countries that don't either have an airline or banne
37 neveragain : Where on earth do you get that relationship from? Let's take DEN-LHR, the closest European route to Detroit DEN-LHR: 4,670 mi LHR-DTW: 3,766 mi Total
38 SCQ83 : First, the detour is very significant. DTW-DOH-BEY is 2000 nm longer that DTW-FRA-BEY... that is 4000 nm detour return. Or a JFK-LAX-JFK. That's a hu
39 neveragain : Ah, the "I know a lot of people who agree with me" defense. Hard to argue with that one. If QR needs to fill up seats on a DTW-DOH nonstop and the on
40 Post contains images SCQ83 : Again, you can check any route US-Europe-Levant VS US-Gulf-Levant that you wish... and see the prices. For instance, your IAD-AMM-IAD that now you se
41 neveragain : Fair enough. Doesn't mean you're right. If you have access to MIDT data, I encourage you to check how many people per day fly from IAH to SGN on SQ v
42 YULWinterSkies : There are no major differences between the 3, all are major US cities and metro areas, about 5M people each. BOS might be in a much more populous are
43 behramjee : QR need to be careful and learn from EY's mistake over here. What is hampering EY I feel is the bottle neck situation it faces beyond AUH to India as
44 olddominion727 : I would think DTW would be 77W because the area has the largest amount of Iraqis and folks from the Arab world/Middle East than any other city. Even s
45 behramjee : nopes DTW cant support a daily 335 seater B77W...way too big for this route...a daily 254 seater B787 is more than adequate to operate.
46 jetbluefan1 : No one has mentioned that QR will have access to B6's sizable network at BOS.
47 BOStonsox : Like any airline, I will believe it when it see it. Maxjet kept saying they were coming but never did, with QR at BOS it might be the same way. At lea
48 DTWLAX : It is not just EK at LAX. TK is also present there.
49 neveragain : My apologies, NASCARAirforce, but I think I misunderstood your post, where you were suggesting a DTW passenger would not connect in DEN to get to Euro
50 caliatenza : i think for a while, QR can undercut both, then raise fares as they see fit. I know EK did this for a while. How are TK's fares from LAX to the subco
51 thekennady : I just dont see the market For ATL-DOH, I think ATL being the worlds biggest hub stands out as a place to go for QR, but its a Skyteam hub and the cit
52 Post contains images N62NA : Well, just as we have our EWR cheerleader on here, we also have a particular cheerleader for MIA who would probably take major exception with your st
53 neveragain : Are you talking about ATL or DOH?! Same on the other end! The population of Doha is 1/3 the size of the population of Atlanta. QR's business model is
54 ChrisNH : I read a lot about how Qatar and Emirates are like McDonald's and Burger King: where one goes, the other is soon to follow. But I can't see how our ma
55 thekennady : I was mainly refering to ATL, but both airports rely on connecting traffic for the various hubs. My Question is how QR going to feed a ATL-DOH route
56 behramjee : everybody knows that but what is confusing people is the fact why ATL was chosen when DL and QR are not buddies. You can only make ATL as a route wor
57 thekennady : My point Exactly, WIth QR just annoucing Joining One World, DOH-ATL makes no sense to me.....Even WIth connections Avalible through DOH, there is not
58 neveragain : I'm sure QR interlines with DL, or will interline with DL, just like EK, QR, and SQ interline with UA (and AA and US and DL) at IAH. It's not rocket
59 Post contains images airbazar : There are major differences between ATL, DTW, BOS. It's their economy. Greater Boston and New England in general have a much more global economy than
60 MaverickM11 : I'm sure the $17 prorate to SYR will be worth it. Or anywhere beyond DOH either really... DL/UA will shut them off faster than Al Baker can fire a fl
61 neveragain : That's all you have to do. I mean, sure a codeshare is preferable, but if QR will pair a cheap ticket from BOM to ATL with a cheap DL flight to DFW,
62 drerx7 : That is not necessarily a good example. Houston's market to the Gulf dwarfs that of ATL. EK and QR don't need the feed of any interline agreements at
63 LAXdude1023 : Thats true, IAH-Gulf is much bigger that ATL-Gulf. IAH-DXB is one of the top 10 international O&D pairs from IAH to anywhere. IAH-DXB alone is ar
64 tistpaa727 : Regardless of the reasons, I am just glad to see a new paint scheme coming to ATL as well as the 787. I believe this will be the first scheduled 787 f
65 drerx7 : Hold your horses there - there is nothing set in stone. I wouldn't believe anything until a formal press release is issued on the matter. Especially
66 neveragain : Of course it is a legitimate example. The comment was made that if QR didn't interline with DL at ATL, the service would fail. This comment is indepe
67 migair54 : Actually QR is adding or trying to add more and more east african destinations, they recently open Kilimanjaro, and they are trying to operate into M
68 MaverickM11 : Right, but DL has to give them that "cheap DFW flight", which they won't. I don't think there's any strategy involved at QR. It's just do whatever EK
69 neveragain : What difference is it to you (and others on here) if Al Baker thinks he can make money on ATL-DOH (or DTW-DOH, or BOS-DOH) and starts the route? Is t
70 drerx7 : Being in Star as well as the codeshare with US (odd) is draw enough. Not that SQ really is going for beyond IAH connections as the demand is there to
71 neveragain : If DL has a "cheap DFW flight" available for purchase on its website, the booking engines will just pair the two segments up. DL can't have a, say, $
72 mah4546 : ATL-Africa is inflated by historically over the past few years having so much of the total of very limited U.S.-Africa capacity. The market is about
73 LAXdude1023 : Thats possible. The ATL-JNB market was actually significantly down in 2011. It was around 30 PDEW were in past years it has been as high as 50 PDEW.
74 neveragain : And that somehow counts for MIA but doesn't count for ATL, BOS, and DTW? Not sure why I'm arguing this. I've seen the numbers, and yes, ATL would be
75 globalflyer : Yes I think that ATL will indeed be an uphill battle but I for one am excited at the possibility that QR will fly here. We have so few airlines that a
76 mah4546 : Who ever said it "counts" for MIA? I never said it did. A poster claimed that Middle Eastern carriers haven't shown public interest in Miami. I simpl
77 klwright69 : Thank you, you are exactly right. I am surprised people here are so convinced that backtracking does not happen, or no sane person would ever do it..
78 SCQ83 : Nobody has said backtracking does not happen. But suggesting that a ULH route can largely rely on "back-track" passengers that will basically be the
79 MaverickM11 : DL has to have a cheap local fare out there for booking engines to marry. DL has any number of ways of limiting the number of or price of local fares
80 drerx7 : Or it doesn't start and its just talk. LOL...if the Falcons and Texans meet up in New Orleans in February...then yes.
81 neveragain : Who said "largely" rely? All I said is that if QR has some last minute seats to fill on a hypothetical DTW-DOH flight, then you can sure bet it'll be
82 Post contains images MaverickM11 : EK is in ATL? Of course they are, but no carrier is going around chasing marginal interline traffic, not even QR. There are stowaways too but that do
83 neveragain : Apologies for not being clearer. If you think QR's business model is as superficial as following EK's CO2 emissions around the globe, then you should
84 RJNUT : not actually. Delta and many others load an "end-on-end" rule to most fares that inhibits the ability of certain fare types (lower end) to be tickete
85 LAXdude1023 : Ding ding ding!!! IAH-DOH (while very high yielding) is not a large local market at all. The only places in the US that have significant local market
86 Post contains images ASA : We have heard similar 'statements' from Al Baker quite a few times before ... why jump on this one?!!
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