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Martinair Cargo Fleet And Routes Update  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

According to their online schedule they are only operating the MD-11F and KL's 744ERF are those still in KLM livery?

MP have also resumed Kuwait, Dammam, Bangkok and Singapore.

Bombay has been added as their third Indian destination.

Lagos, Kuala Lumpur, Shanghai and Seattle suspended.

Earlier in the year they also launched Dar es Salaam and Guangzhou.

[Edited 2012-10-28 09:48:12]

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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 6874 times:

They are also operating one BCF in the "Safari Connection" livery in concert with KLM and Kenya Airways.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 6855 times:

So of the two only one remains flying for Safari Connection?

User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

Of the four they have had, two are now with Air Cargo Germany since 2010, one is flying in the Safari scheme (PH-MPS), and one, PH-MPR, has been stored since August, though I'm not sure where.

I knew they had ceased Seattle, back in July the flight stopped appearing. Glad to have gotten a couple of shots of those MD-11s before they departed.

[Edited 2012-10-28 10:04:55]

User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months ago) and read 6243 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
KL's 744ERF are those still in KLM livery

Yes.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 3):
and one, PH-MPR, has been stored since August, though I'm not sure where.

Stored in AMS, currently inside the KLM hangars, according to rumours it will go to Air Cargo Germany shortly.

One MD-11 will leave the fleet in the near future, will be PH-MCT.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4400 times:
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so when are we going to see Martin air order newer more fuel efficient aircraft??

I'm sure they're at least thinking about ordering some 777Fs or 747-800Fs


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
so when are we going to see Martin air order newer more fuel efficient aircraft??

To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.



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User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 4):
One MD-11 will leave the fleet in the near future, will be PH-MCT.

What about PH-MCY is she still at AMS? I believe she did not fly for MP since feb. 2012



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 7):
What about PH-MCY is she still at AMS? I believe she did not fly for MP since feb. 2012

Undergoing c-check in hangar 12.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):

It was said that AF-KL will end their cargo divisions and transfer the aircraft to MP, why the change now?


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 9):
It was said that AF-KL will end their cargo divisions and transfer the aircraft to MP, why the change now?

That was never said, only KL freighters to MP (which has happened already), AF will keep it's own freighters. Anyway, AF/KL have their own vision with no room for a dedicated brand like MP. Therefore they're slowly dismantling MP, 3 744BCF's gone, first MD11F gone shortly and this process will continue over the next years. In the end AF/KL get what they want, MP's cargo as belly freight or maindeck freight in their own aircraft while they get rid of an expensive decicated brand.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 973 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2940 times:
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Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):
To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.

so we'll never see a 777F in Martin Air colors, sad....


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2917 times:

The idea was getting Martinair to take on the KLM Cargo operation with their lower cost base, these KLM aircraft now fly under the "Martinair" callsign, overtime I believe the Martinair brand was to be phased out.

User currently offlinemartinair50 From Netherlands, joined May 2011, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2835 times:



Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):
To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.

Well explained. It's a shame....

[Edited 2012-10-29 23:16:16]

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4528 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

What will happen to the Martinair employees ?


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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

The B744ERFs are not going back to KLM, they'll be flown by Martinar AS KLM. That's the point, it's cheaper than having KLM fly them.

User currently offlinemartinair50 From Netherlands, joined May 2011, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Well, after Martinair (KL/AF) has decided to retire the (remaining) MP MD-11 fleet I think you can actually say the ERF's are back to KL. Cause the 747 fleet is in full KL c/s, all crew already have a KL contract and I'm also not sure if the ground facilities of Martinair will stay. I do not see anything red in this operation.

[Edited 2012-10-30 06:19:14]

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

The crew are KLM? What's the point of flying under Martinair's callsign then?

User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting martinair50 (Reply 16):
Cause the 747 fleet is in full KL c/s, all crew already have a KL contract and I'm also not sure if the ground facilities of Martinair will stay. I do not see anything red in this operation.

The crew are MP, not KL. The ERF's are on both the KL and MP AOC, but MP has full operational control. Cargo handling of the freighters at AMS and most outstations is done by MP Handling, not KL.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 14):
What will happen to the Martinair employees ?

Most are already gone, some to KL, some on severance packages. In 2014 the pilots will also switch to a KL contract. Cargo Sales employees will also move to KL. What will be left are some operations staff, the engineers (doing the KL EMB's) and the flight school. For now at least....


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

So will PH-MCY fly with MP again following the C check?


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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 19):
So will PH-MCY fly with MP again following the C check?

Yes.



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