cargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1160 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5380 times:
Of the four they have had, two are now with Air Cargo Germany since 2010, one is flying in the Safari scheme (PH-MPS), and one, PH-MPR, has been stored since August, though I'm not sure where.
I knew they had ceased Seattle, back in July the flight stopped appearing. Glad to have gotten a couple of shots of those MD-11s before they departed.
BasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1254 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1845 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 5): so when are we going to see Martin air order newer more fuel efficient aircraft??
To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.
'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
BasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1254 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1537 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 9): It was said that AF-KL will end their cargo divisions and transfer the aircraft to MP, why the change now?
That was never said, only KL freighters to MP (which has happened already), AF will keep it's own freighters. Anyway, AF/KL have their own vision with no room for a dedicated brand like MP. Therefore they're slowly dismantling MP, 3 744BCF's gone, first MD11F gone shortly and this process will continue over the next years. In the end AF/KL get what they want, MP's cargo as belly freight or maindeck freight in their own aircraft while they get rid of an expensive decicated brand.
'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
g500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 724 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1508 times:
Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6): To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.
so we'll never see a 777F in Martin Air colors, sad....
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1485 times:
The idea was getting Martinair to take on the KLM Cargo operation with their lower cost base, these KLM aircraft now fly under the "Martinair" callsign, overtime I believe the Martinair brand was to be phased out.
martinair50 From Netherlands, joined May 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1403 times:
Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6): To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.
martinair50 From Netherlands, joined May 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
Well, after Martinair (KL/AF) has decided to retire the (remaining) MP MD-11 fleet I think you can actually say the ERF's are back to KL. Cause the 747 fleet is in full KL c/s, all crew already have a KL contract and I'm also not sure if the ground facilities of Martinair will stay. I do not see anything red in this operation.
76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 410 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 837 times:
Quoting martinair50 (Reply 16): Cause the 747 fleet is in full KL c/s, all crew already have a KL contract and I'm also not sure if the ground facilities of Martinair will stay. I do not see anything red in this operation.
The crew are MP, not KL. The ERF's are on both the KL and MP AOC, but MP has full operational control. Cargo handling of the freighters at AMS and most outstations is done by MP Handling, not KL.
Quoting Max Q (Reply 14): What will happen to the Martinair employees ?
Most are already gone, some to KL, some on severance packages. In 2014 the pilots will also switch to a KL contract. Cargo Sales employees will also move to KL. What will be left are some operations staff, the engineers (doing the KL EMB's) and the flight school. For now at least....
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