Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Martinair Cargo Fleet And Routes Update  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7085 times:

According to their online schedule they are only operating the MD-11F and KL's 744ERF are those still in KLM livery?

MP have also resumed Kuwait, Dammam, Bangkok and Singapore.

Bombay has been added as their third Indian destination.

Lagos, Kuala Lumpur, Shanghai and Seattle suspended.

Earlier in the year they also launched Dar es Salaam and Guangzhou.

[Edited 2012-10-28 09:48:12]

20 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6988 times:

They are also operating one BCF in the "Safari Connection" livery in concert with KLM and Kenya Airways.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6969 times:

So of the two only one remains flying for Safari Connection?

User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Of the four they have had, two are now with Air Cargo Germany since 2010, one is flying in the Safari scheme (PH-MPS), and one, PH-MPR, has been stored since August, though I'm not sure where.

I knew they had ceased Seattle, back in July the flight stopped appearing. Glad to have gotten a couple of shots of those MD-11s before they departed.

[Edited 2012-10-28 10:04:55]

User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 6357 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
KL's 744ERF are those still in KLM livery

Yes.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 3):
and one, PH-MPR, has been stored since August, though I'm not sure where.

Stored in AMS, currently inside the KLM hangars, according to rumours it will go to Air Cargo Germany shortly.

One MD-11 will leave the fleet in the near future, will be PH-MCT.



'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 4514 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

so when are we going to see Martin air order newer more fuel efficient aircraft??

I'm sure they're at least thinking about ordering some 777Fs or 747-800Fs


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
so when are we going to see Martin air order newer more fuel efficient aircraft??

To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.



'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 4):
One MD-11 will leave the fleet in the near future, will be PH-MCT.

What about PH-MCY is she still at AMS? I believe she did not fly for MP since feb. 2012



"The world is just a click away!"
User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 7):
What about PH-MCY is she still at AMS? I believe she did not fly for MP since feb. 2012

Undergoing c-check in hangar 12.



'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):

It was said that AF-KL will end their cargo divisions and transfer the aircraft to MP, why the change now?


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 9):
It was said that AF-KL will end their cargo divisions and transfer the aircraft to MP, why the change now?

That was never said, only KL freighters to MP (which has happened already), AF will keep it's own freighters. Anyway, AF/KL have their own vision with no room for a dedicated brand like MP. Therefore they're slowly dismantling MP, 3 744BCF's gone, first MD11F gone shortly and this process will continue over the next years. In the end AF/KL get what they want, MP's cargo as belly freight or maindeck freight in their own aircraft while they get rid of an expensive decicated brand.



'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 3054 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):
To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.

so we'll never see a 777F in Martin Air colors, sad....


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 3031 times:

The idea was getting Martinair to take on the KLM Cargo operation with their lower cost base, these KLM aircraft now fly under the "Martinair" callsign, overtime I believe the Martinair brand was to be phased out.

User currently offlinemartinair50 From Netherlands, joined May 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2949 times:



Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 6):
To be honest? Probably never. KL/AF is not willing to put any money in MP. I think that once the MD-11's are too old to be operated economically they will be retired and the Martinair-brand will be discontinued. All what will be left are the 4 744F's which will be transferred to back to KL again.

Well explained. It's a shame....

[Edited 2012-10-29 23:16:16]

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4751 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

What will happen to the Martinair employees ?


The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

The B744ERFs are not going back to KLM, they'll be flown by Martinar AS KLM. That's the point, it's cheaper than having KLM fly them.

User currently offlinemartinair50 From Netherlands, joined May 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Well, after Martinair (KL/AF) has decided to retire the (remaining) MP MD-11 fleet I think you can actually say the ERF's are back to KL. Cause the 747 fleet is in full KL c/s, all crew already have a KL contract and I'm also not sure if the ground facilities of Martinair will stay. I do not see anything red in this operation.

[Edited 2012-10-30 06:19:14]

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

The crew are KLM? What's the point of flying under Martinair's callsign then?

User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting martinair50 (Reply 16):
Cause the 747 fleet is in full KL c/s, all crew already have a KL contract and I'm also not sure if the ground facilities of Martinair will stay. I do not see anything red in this operation.

The crew are MP, not KL. The ERF's are on both the KL and MP AOC, but MP has full operational control. Cargo handling of the freighters at AMS and most outstations is done by MP Handling, not KL.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 14):
What will happen to the Martinair employees ?

Most are already gone, some to KL, some on severance packages. In 2014 the pilots will also switch to a KL contract. Cargo Sales employees will also move to KL. What will be left are some operations staff, the engineers (doing the KL EMB's) and the flight school. For now at least....


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2397 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

So will PH-MCY fly with MP again following the C check?


Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 19):
So will PH-MCY fly with MP again following the C check?

Yes.



'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Martinair Cargo Routes Update posted Wed Oct 28 2009 10:32:24 by 777way
KLM B763s: Why Were They Phased Out? posted Wed Aug 27 2008 14:10:54 by JJ8080
First LH A300 Phased Out And Offered For Sale posted Mon Aug 25 2008 07:57:11 by Columba
Martinair Cargo Started Khartoum posted Sun Aug 10 2008 09:46:57 by 777way
Martinair Cargo To Sao Paulo F posted Sat Apr 14 2007 19:47:03 by MAH4546
When Will CRJ-200's Be Phased Out? posted Thu Mar 15 2007 18:31:50 by PanAm747
Martin JRM-3 Mars - Phased Out Of Service? posted Thu Feb 22 2007 19:03:13 by Chuchoteur
First Pictures Of Martinair Cargo's First 747BCF posted Sat Nov 25 2006 21:29:36 by LTU932
Martinair Cargo (MP) At DFW posted Fri Aug 18 2006 18:50:58 by Flyboeingjets
Heathrow "should Be Phased Out" posted Mon May 29 2006 10:03:57 by Superhub