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Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 - Part 2  
User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 25483 times:

Seems like the last one got archived after a quiet period order wise

Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 Part 1 (by someone83 Jan 24 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Assume the newest TK and SQ orders should show up in Boeing and Airbus' order book pretty soon, but who else are we waiting on the conformation from?

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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 25032 times:

Etihad orders to firmed A330-200 from Airbus, in addition to converting seven A320 to A321.


http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...-two-more-a330-passenger-aircraft/


User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24838 times:

Rostech is exercising purchase rights for 35 737 Max's that were part of a 2010 agreement.

"Boeing Gets $3 Billion Deal With Rostech Unit for Max Model 737s"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...stech-unit-for-max-model-737s.html



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24762 times:

Appears to be the "orders day":

[quote]Avation Plc (LSE: AVAP) the aircraft procurement and leasing company is pleased to announce that following
a confirmation from Virgin Australia of its desire for an additional three ATR 72-600 aircraft to be made
available to it throughout the course of 2014, the Company will exercise aircraft purchase options to
acquire three new additional ATR 72-600 aircraft for this purpose.[/unquote]

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...2-600-options-lse-avap-1719152.htm



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User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24692 times:

Quoting someone83 (Thread starter):
SQ orders should show up in Boeing

Confused , were the 787s for Scoot new 787 orders or is SQ simply transferring existing SQ orders to Scoot ? Thanks.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24668 times:
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Quoting phxa340 (Reply 4):
Confused , were the 787s for Scoot new 787 orders or is SQ simply transferring existing SQ orders to Scoot ? Thanks.

SQ transferred the orders to Scoot. So we should just see a customer change (delete SQ, add TZ).


User currently offlinef4f3a From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 24588 times:

Does anyone know when the U2 decision on fleet
Replacement is going to happen? Could be a big end
Of year order for whoever wins


User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 24495 times:

whats the latest news on JetBlue's order for some A320 NEO and about 30 A321s?

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 24410 times:

Quoting f4f3a (Reply 6):
Does anyone know when the U2 decision on fleet
Replacement is going to happen? Could be a big end
Of year order for whoever wins
Quoting doulasc (Reply 7):
whats the latest news on JetBlue's order for some A320 NEO and about 30 A321s?

Could there be a end of year Airbus order bonanza?


User currently onlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24281 times:

There's one every year!

User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 23955 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 4):

Confused , were the 787s for Scoot new 787 orders or is SQ simply transferring existing SQ orders to Scoot ? Thanks.

Seems like a wasn't accurate enough, for SQ and a only wait for them to show up in Airbus' order books (the A380 and A350), while the recent orders from TK should soon be shown in both's


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 23528 times:
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ALAFCO have firmed their commitment for 20 737MAX-8's

Boeing, ALAFCO Firms up Order for 20 Boeing 737 MAXs

KUWAIT, Nov. 4, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Kuwait airplane leasing company ALAFCO finalized an order for 20 Boeing 737 MAX 8s valued at $2.0 billion at current list price. The order was first announced as a commitment at the Farnborough Airshow in July.

Source Boeing and ALAFCO via www.boeing.com

Boeing now state they have a total of 878 737 MAX orders

Regards

Paul



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 23270 times:

Aeromexico has firmed their order for 60 MAX-8 / 9:

"Mexico City, November 5, 2012. – Grupo Aeromexico [...]
has announced that the Company has finalized a purchase agreement with
Boeing Aircraft to purchase up to 90 Boeing 737 MAX narrow body aircraft. [...]
Of the 90 aircraft, 60 are firm deliveries, with the ability to purchase an
additional 30 aircraft, subject to reconfirmation by Grupo Aeromexico."

http://www.aeromexico.com/us/downloa...anuncio_de_compra_de_flota_vfi.pdf


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 23268 times:

Tranaa har placed a firm order for 6 A321neo
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ays-orders-six-additional-a321neo/


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 23277 times:

Boeing has updated their website and 60 737s for AeroMexico and 20 for ALAFCO has been firmed

User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23276 times:

This should bring Boeing's firm order so fra in 2012 to:

Boeing

Firm Orders
Air Astana - 4 767-300ER & 3 787-8
Air Canada - 3 777-300ER
Air China - 5 747-8i
Air Lease Corp. - 75 737-MAX
Air New Zealand - 2 787-9
* ALAFCO - 20 737-MAX
* Alaska Airlines - 16 737-900ER, 20 737-8MAX &17 737-9MAX
All Nippon Airways - 11 787-9
American Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Avolon - 10 737-800 & 15 737-MAX
Boeing Business Jets - 1 737-700BBJ
China Eastern - 45 737-800
El Al Israel Airlines - 2 737-900ER
Ethiopian Airlines - 1 777-200LR
FedEx - 15 767-300F
GE Capital - 10 737-800 & 75 737-MAX
*GOL - 60 737-8MAX
Japan Airlines - 10 787-9
Jet Airways - 17 737-800
Korean Air Lines - 2 777-300ER
Lion Air - 29 737-900ER, 201 737-MAX & 5 787-8
Norwegian Air Shuttle - 22 737-800, 100 737-MAX
Pakistan Int'l Airlines - 5 777-300ER
TAAG Angola Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Transaero Airlines - 4 787-8
Turkmenistan Airlines - 1 737-800
United Airlines - 50 737-900ER & 100 737-MAX
Virgin Australia - 1 737-800 & 23 737-MAX
U.S. Navy - 11 737-800A
Unidentified - 4 737-800 & 2 777-300ER
Unidentified - 1 737-800, 1 777-300ER & 3 787-8
*Unidentified - 22 737-MAX

Don't have any updates/overview of the cancellations/conversions/identifies groups, but maybe Hamlet69 has?


User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 23273 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 15):
This should bring Boeing's firm order so fra in 2012 to:

You forgot Aeromexico in your list = 60 - 737 MAX



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 23275 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 16):

You forgot Aeromexico in your list = 60 - 737 MAX

harder than woodpecker lips...


The list is up to 31/10  


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23274 times:

Accordng to Airbus' spreadsheet, Afriqiyah has ordered four A350-900, and converted its six A350-800 on order to -900

Confirmed order October, most of them already known:
Turkish: 15 A330-300
Etihad: 2 A330-200
Afriqiyah: 4 A350-900
Airbus Private Jet: 2 A319ACJ


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 23278 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 18):
Accordng to Airbus' spreadsheet, Afriqiyah has ordered four A350-900, and converted its six A350-800 on order to -900

Confirmed order October, most of them already known:
Turkish: 15 A330-300
Etihad: 2 A330-200
Afriqiyah: 4 A350-900
Airbus Private Jet: 2 A319ACJ

Good month for Airbus wide bodies and the SQ A350 and A380s to come.

Anyone think that the AF/KLM A350 order will get firmed this year?


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23271 times:

Flightglobal reports that GFA have cancelled 20 A330s and replaced them with 16 NEOs and 8 standard A320s.

User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 23271 times:

Mexican airline Interjet orders 40 A320neo. Doesn't give delivery info.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...erjet-airbus-idUSBRE8AB18420121112



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23268 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 20):
Flightglobal reports that GFA have cancelled 20 A330s

Wasn't ten of these among the one cancelled in September?

See part one of this thread


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 23277 times:
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Quoting someone83 (Reply 22):
Wasn't ten of these among the one cancelled in September?

Possibly - that cancellation of 10 was listed as "undisclosed" showing -10 A330-300s and GF still listed as 20 on order. That's still the case in October's O&D spreadsheet. I'll guess we'll have to wait a month to see what happens unless Airbus make an announcement before then.



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23274 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 20):
Flightglobal reports that GFA have cancelled 20 A330s and replaced them with 16 NEOs and 8 standard A320s.

This would actually leave GF off the hook pretty cheap IMO. 20 WBs traded against 24 NBs? Something behind the scenes we don´t know of yet? (=> "undisclosed optioned A350 XWBs"?)



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23655 times:

Sorry bout the delay, folks. Those 60-hr+ weeks are really starting to catch up with me.  

However, I do have the full update for October. And also, a huge THANK YOU to Someone83 for getting this new thread going!!   


Airbus

Firm Orders
Afriqiyah Airways - 3 A330-200
* Afriqiyah Airways - 4 A350-900
Airbus Corporate Jets - 2 A318CJ & 1 A330-200
* Airbus Corporate Jets - 2 A319CJ
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 2 A320
Air Namibia - 2 A319
Air Lease Corp. - 36 A320Neo, 1 A330-200 & 2 A330-300
Arkia Israeli Airlines - 4 A321Neo (the MOU was for 4 Neo's, however, up to 3 could be Oeo's based on other statements)
AviancaTaca - 18 A32X, 33 A32X Neo. (Airbus shows 27 A319's, 20 A320's & 4 A321's. However, the individual breakdown between Oeo and Neo is not known at this time)
BOC Aviation - 3 A320
Cathay Pacific - 6 A350-900 & 10 A350-1000
CIT Leasing - 10 A330-300
Druk Air - 1 A319
Etihad Airways - 2 A330-200F
* Etihad Airways - 2 A330-200
Garuda Indonesia - 11 A330-300
ICBC Leasing - 30 A320 & 20 A320Neo
Norwegian Air Shuttle - 100 A320Neo
Philippine Airlines - 34 A321, 10 A321Neo & 20 A330-300
Spirit Airlines - 30 A320
Synergy Aerospace - 6 A330-200 & 3 A330-200F
Tibet Airlines - 3 A319
TransAero Airlines - 4 A380-800
* Turkish Airlines - A330-300
UTair - 20 A321
Undisclosed - 10 A320Neo


Cancellations
AerCap - 1 A330-200
Afriqiyah Airways - 3 A321
AirAsia X - 1 A330-200
Airbus Corporate Jets - 1 A318CJ
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 14 A320
ALAFCO - 6 A350-900
CIT Leasing - 1 A319 & 3 A320
Etihad Airways - 7 A350-1000
* Etihad Airways - 2 A320
Intrepid Aviation - 2 A330-200F
MatlinPatterson - 6 A330-200F
Undisclosed - 10 A330-300


Conversions
* Afriqiyah Airways - 6 A350-800 to 6 A350-900
AirAsiaX - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 1 A330-200 to Air Lease Corp. - 1 A330-200
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 1 A330-200 to GE Capital - 1 A330-200
Air Lease Corp. - 1 A320 to 1 A321
ALAFCO - 1 A320 to Air Berlin 1 A320
Aviation Capital - 2 A320 to 2 A321
BOC Aviation - 2 A320 to 2 A321
* BOC Aviation - 2 A320 to 2 A321
CASGC - 2 A320 to Spring Airlines - 2 A320
CASGC - 2 A320 to Juneyao Airlines - 2 A321
Cathay Pacific - 16 A350-900 to 16 A350-1000
CIT Leasing - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
Etihad Airways - 6 A320 to 6 A321
GECAS - 8 A320 to 8 A321
Germania - 2 A319 to 2 A321
ICBC - 3 A320 to 3 A321
IndiGo - 18 A320 to 18 A321 (it is unknown if these are CEO or NEO)
Intrepid Aviation - 5 A330-200F to 2 A330-200 & 3 A330-300
Juneyao Airlines - 1 A320 to 1 A321
Korean Air Lines - 6 A330-200 to 6 A330-300
Singapore Airlines - 5 A330-300 to AerCap Ireland - 5 A330-300
Spirit Airlines - 13 A319 to 13 A320
TACA Int'l - 7 A320 to 2 A319 & 5 A321
* US Airways - 1 A319 & 10 A320 to 11 A321


Identified
Air Berlin - 5 A320 & 14 A321
ALAFCO - 35 A320Neo
Gulf Air - 1 A320 & 4 A321
WizzAir - -20 A320 (cancellation booked December 2011)



Boeing

Firm Orders
Air Astana - 4 767-300ER & 3 787-8
Air Canada - 3 777-300ER
Air China - 5 747-8i
Air Lease Corp. - 75 737-MAX
Air New Zealand - 2 787-9
* ALAFCO - 20 737-MAX
Alaska Airlines - 3 737-900ER
* Alaska Airlines - 13 737-900ER & 37 737-MAX
All Nippon Airways - 11 787-9
American Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Avolon - 10 737-800 & 15 737-MAX
Boeing Business Jets - 1 737-700BBJ
China Eastern - 45 737-800
El Al Israel Airlines - 2 737-900ER
Ethiopian Airlines - 1 777-200LR
FedEx - 15 767-300F
GE Capital - 10 737-800 & 75 737-MAX
* GOL - 60 737-MAX
Japan Airlines - 10 787-9
Jet Airways - 17 737-800
Korean Air Lines - 2 777-300ER
Lion Air - 29 737-900ER, 201 737-MAX & 5 787-8
Norwegian Air Shuttle - 22 737-800, 100 737-MAX
Pakistan Int'l Airlines - 5 777-300ER
TAAG Angola Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Transaero Airlines - 4 787-8
Turkmenistan Airlines - 1 737-800
United Airlines - 50 737-900ER & 100 737-MAX
Virgin Australia - 1 737-800 & 23 737-MAX
U.S. Navy - 11 737-800A
Unidentified - 5 737-800, 2 777-300ER, 1 777-300ER & 3 787-8
* Unidentified - 22 737-MAX


Cancellations
Air Europa - 3 737-800
AWAS - 2 737-800
Boeing Business Jets - 1 787-8
China Eastern - 15 787-8
* GOL - 12 737-800
Jet Airways - 2 777-300ER
Qantas - 35 787-9
Royal Brunei Airlines (UFO) - 4 777-300ER
Shanghai Airlines - 9 787-8


Conversions
AeroMexico - 6 737-700 to 6 737-800
Air Berlin - 7 737-700 to 7 737-800
* Alaska Airlines - 3 737-800 to 3 737-900ER
All Nippon Airways - 4 787-8 to 4 787-9
American Airlines - 1 777-200ER to 1 777-300ER
Aviation Capital - 8 737-700 to 8 737-800
CIT Leasing - 1 737-900ER to 1 737-800
Continental Airlines - 38 737-700 & 9 737-900ER to United Airlines - 47 737-900ER
ILFC - 1 737-700 to 1 737-800
Lion Air - 8 737-900ER to 8 737-800
SpiceJet - 1 737-900ER to 1 737-800
Vietnam Aircraft Leasing - 8 787-8 to Air Lease Corp. 8 787-9
WestJet - 4 737-700 to 4 737-800
Unidentified - 3 737-700 to 3 737-800 (order placed 22 June, 2011)


Identified
Air Canada - 2 777-300ER (from Aug. 2011)
Air France/KLM Group - 25 787-9 (from Dec. 2011)
American Airlines - 2 777-300ER (from Aug. 2011)
China Eastern - 3 737-700 & 4 737-800 (from Feb. 2008)
Hainan Airlines - 4 737-700 & 8 737-800 (from Nov. 2007)
Japan Airlines - 1 737-800 (from Aug. 2010)
LAN Airlines - 2 767-300ER (from Dec. 2011)
Shandong Airlines - 6 737-800 (from Aug. 2007)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-800 (from Dec. 2006)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-800 (from April 2007)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-700 & 3 737-800 (from Dec. 2007)
Shenzhen Airlines - 10 737-800 (from Sept. 2007)
Virgin Atlantic - 1 787-9 (from Dec. 2009)


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23523 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 25):
Arkia Israeli Airlines - 4 A321Neo (the MOU was for 4 Neo's, however, up to 3 could be Oeo's based on other statements)

That was my understanding, as in a previous monthly update they stated "also included in the month's order book was one A321neo for Arkia Israel".

It seems this was a miscommunication and Arkia did take their 4 Neos, as Airbus today claimed they have firmed 1515 Neos. Interjet's 40 Neos are firm as well.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 24165 times:

SilkAir has firmed their 737 order:

"finalized an order for 54 Next-Generation 737s and 737 MAX 8s worth $4.9 billion at list prices. With this agreement, the 737 MAX has accumulated 969 orders to date."
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2498


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 24189 times:
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With this order, the 737 family has surpassed 1000 net orders for the year - the first time such an achievement has been reached.

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24149 times:

If I am not mistaken the GF air order has been reduced on Airbus books to reflect 6 330s and the 24 320 CEO and NEO ,
Can anyone confirm the 6 330 order

Quoting Stitch (Reply 28):

Has the 320 achieved the 1000 order year before or is the 737 the first one to do so

Karan


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 24163 times:
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Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
Has the 320 achieved the 1000 order year before or is the 737 the first one to do so.

Airbus doesn't break down their orders by model per year, but I believe the A320 family (oeo and neo) broke the 1000-order mark in 2011. They might also have done so in 2007.


User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24144 times:

Here's the weekly Boeing update..

"Changes since last update: 62 new orders (SilkAir 54 737s, Business Jet / VIP Customer(s) one 787, and Unidentified Customer(s) two 737s and five 787s. Identified Avianca order for three 787s previously listed as unidentified. In the Changes category, reduced 737 net orders by 15."

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24132 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
If I am not mistaken the GF air order has been reduced on Airbus books to reflect 6 330s and the 24 320 CEO and NEO ,
Can anyone confirm the 6 330 order

Not as of their October 31 update. I'm looking at it right now, and there is no change in GF's current order. However, as I postulated before in 'Part 1' of this thread, the -14 frames for Undisclosed is still there, and it is my belief that these are GF.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 29):
Has the 320 achieved the 1000 order year before or is the 737 the first one to do so

As Stitch correctly mentioned, the A32X Family broke the 1,000 net order mark last year (1,348). That was the first year that aircraft achieved that mark as well. In 2007, they came close with 913.


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24169 times:

Today, Boeing revealed that Avianca is the customer behind the UFO order for x3 787-8's from September 28 of this year.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2501


In addition, their weekly update reflects the following other changes:

Firm
SilkAir - 23 737-800 & 31 737-MAX 8
Boeing Business Jets - 1 787
Unidentified - 2 737 & 5 787


Cancellations
UFO - 15 737NG


Regards,

Hamlet69

[Edited 2012-11-15 10:24:30]


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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week ago) and read 24094 times:

TK orders 15 + 5 options for the 777-300ER.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/tur...red-boeing-777-300er-aircraft.html



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week ago) and read 24099 times:
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Quoting mffoda (Reply 34):
TK orders 15 + 5 options for the 777-300ER.

They did so last month.  


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24017 times:

Maybe we see some more Airbus orders from China now that the carbon-tax is being removed. China Eastern is first out with an order for 60 A320s (ceo)

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...s-sells-18-regional-jets-to-airbus


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23302 times:

Anyone able to confirm that Air China 747-8 order has changed ?


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22933 times:
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Quoting zeke (Reply 37):
Anyone able to confirm that Air China 747-8 order has changed?

They continue to have five 747-8 Intercontinentals on order.

The three 747-8 freighters originally assigned to them in the firing order are now assigned to Cathay Pacific Cargo.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 22332 times:

Anyone hear of updates to the Cathay 77F order, and Qatar A350 order ?


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 22311 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 39):
and Qatar A350 order ?

Guess we have to wait untill Airbus release their monthly update. But according to a press release from Airbus today they have converted 20 -800s to 3 -900s and 17 -1000s

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...dorses-the-larger-a350-xwb-models/


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 22299 times:
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Anyone hear of updates to the Cathay 77F order, and Qatar A350 order ?

Here you go, Zeke... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/.../uk-airbus-a-idUSLNE8B202920121203

...the anticipated scrapping of 800s and conversion to the larger models.

The -800 is now down to only 92 units. Wow!

Another release by Bloomberg says Airbus can save 1B euros by not proceeding with the -800. Might this be plowed back into more enhancements for the 330 then?

[Edited 2012-12-03 07:26:19]

[Edited 2012-12-03 07:30:52]

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 22344 times:
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Quoting zeke (Reply 39):
Anyone hear of updates to the Cathay 77F order...

Latest speculation in the 747-8 production thread is that CX wants to order additional 777-300ERs instead of taking delivery of their 777 freighters and just operate a 747 freighter fleet. To accomplish this, Cathay has agreed to take over the three 747-8Fs that Air China Cargo evidently has an unannounced MoU on and in return Air China Cargo will take over some of the 777F orders Cathay has on order.

So I am guessing we'll see CX announce a conversion from the 777F to the 77W and 748F followed by Air China Cargo announcing a 777F order.


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 22018 times:
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rbus-bregier-idUSBRE8B21AE20121203

Almost 200 a/c sold in Nov, ytd @ 646 units gross, says Airbus. This weeks Nov details should be fun!


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21850 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 43):
Almost 200 a/c sold in Nov, ytd @ 646 units gross, says Airbus.

Wow .. thanks for the info.
In December Airbus normally firms up plenty. Would be cool if we can get some more Chinese orders.
AirAsia could also squeeze in another 100 before year end.


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Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21537 times:
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Quoting Chiad (Reply 44):
Would be cool if we can get some more Chinese orders.

Leahey is on his way to China as we speak, so now that the EU has backed off of ETS for at least a year I expect those A330 orders will be firmed.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21240 times:

Quite a lot of "UFO-activity" for Boeing this week. 2 new 747 orders and 5 cancellation. Most likely 5 747-8i for Emirates Sky Cargo/DAE. In addition one 767 cancellation, airline unknown

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Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 21185 times:
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Quoting someone83 (Reply 46):
In addition one 767 cancellation, airline unknown.

Appears to be Air Astana per another site.



The 15 UFO cancellations in November were by United Airlines. The 5-frame 787 UFO on 7 November are 4 787-9s and 1 787-8 and all have GEnx power. Transaero is once again the Customer of Record for their 4 787s (they had been moved to DL Air SPV and are now back with Transwero).


User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 20781 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 46):
2 new 747 orders

Do we know if these are the -F or the -i variant? Thank you.


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 20627 times:

This leaves Boeing with 21 wide-body net orders, of which 18 is for the B767.
  

Wide-body deliveries was record 161 frames.
  


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Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20324 times:
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Quoting Cerecl (Reply 48):
Do we know if these are the -F or the -i variant? Thank you.

They're Fs.



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 20223 times:

Airbus' spreadsheet has been updated.

Orders November
183 A320's
1 A332
2 A345  

January - November total
585 net orders (incl. 66 wide-bodies)


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 20636 times:

Deliveries total 516 (incl. 115 wide-bodies)

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/back...iveries_table/OD_2012_November.xls


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20538 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 51):
Airbus' spreadsheet has been updated.

Orders November
183 A320's
1 A332
2 A345

Do we know who is behind the 183 A320's?


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Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20531 times:
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Quoting Focker (Reply 53):
Do we know who is behind the 183 A320's?

I'm sure the answer is "whom", as it must be multiple customers.  


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20503 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 54):
I'm sure the answer is "whom", as it must be multiple customers.

That is what I meant to ask, but hey... English is not my mother tongue!  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20540 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 53):
Do we know who is behind the 183 A320's?

The spreadsheet says 100 A320's for an undisclosed customer. I'm guessing at AirAsia.

Other orders came from Interjet, Tibet Airlines, TransAsia Airways and CALC.

[Edited 2012-12-07 07:13:10]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6921 posts, RR: 63
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20217 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 51):
1 A332

Actually, not a new order but an assumption by Iraqi Airways of the last remaining A330-200 ordered in February 2011 by Air Asia X.


User currently offlinewimdemeester From Netherlands, joined Dec 2011, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 19931 times:

I am not sure why the long expected Air Asia commitment for an additional 100 a/c would be booked as "undisclosed"? What about the possibility that Turkish Airlines, Lion Air or perhaps Easy Jet may have committed in order to get delivery positions within a decade as from now.

User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 378 posts, RR: 22
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19954 times:

Looks like this is an order for 64 neo and 36 ceo as pointed out here:
http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/2012/12/mystery-a320-customer.html


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19780 times:

Quoting wimdemeester (Reply 58):

I am not sure why the long expected Air Asia commitment for an additional 100 a/c would be booked as "undisclosed"? What about the possibility that Turkish Airlines, Lion Air or perhaps Easy Jet may have committed in order to get delivery positions within a decade as from now.

That's another possibility indeed, but if I have to guess I'm going for AirAsia.



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User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19661 times:

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 59):
Looks like this is an order for 64 neo and 36 ceo as pointed out here:
http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/20....html

One of the comments in the blog suggests the possibility that AirAsia and Airbus will announce this order when the first "Sharkletted" 320 is handed over to AirAsia.

Seems to make sense to me.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19359 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 61):
One of the comments in the blog suggests the possibility that AirAsia and Airbus will announce this order when the first "Sharkletted" 320 is handed over to AirAsia.

Seems to make sense to me.

As long as we don't have to wait until Caterham win a Grand Prix or QPR get a win this season, the sharklet delivery would be my best guess. I am a little disappointed that it is only 36 non neo, they did say at least 50 required.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18883 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 34):
TK orders 15 + 5 options for the 777-300ER.

According to Beoing, this order is now firmed

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2521


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 18377 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 60):
That's another possibility indeed, but if I have to guess I'm going for AirAsia.
Quote:
One of the comments in the blog suggests the possibility that AirAsia and Airbus will announce this order when the first "Sharkletted" 320 is handed over to AirAsia.

And AirAsia it is.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...ail/airasia-orders-100-more-a320s/



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 18340 times:

Boeing also firmed 4 737s to GECAS, while 3 737s was cancelled, according to their weekly statements

User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17778 times:

"Pegasus selects up to 100 A320neo Family Aircraft"

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...up-to-100-a320neo-family-aircraft/

" 18 December 2012 Press Release

Pegasus Airlines, the second largest airline in Turkey, has signed for up to 100 A320neo Family aircraft (58 A320neo and 17 A321neo models), of which 75 are firm orders. Pegasus becomes a new Airbus customer and the first Turkish airline to order the A320neo. "

Another largish order after Air Asia.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 17079 times:

FedEx increases their 767-300F order by four

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2537


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16575 times:

Boeing update this week:
FedEx: 4 767-300F
Republic of Iraq: 1 777 (Guess this was the -200LR delivered recently?)
UFO: 15 737
UFO: 30 777

With the last one being a huge order

Also one cancellation each for 747, 777 and 787


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Reply 69, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16576 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 68):
Also one cancellation each for 747, 777 and 787.

The 777 would be the 777-200LR Air Austral ordered but never took delivery of. That frame has been re-sold to the Republic of Iraq (and recorded this week).

China Eastern and China Southern have 30 777-300ER orders awaiting approval from the Chinese Government. Normally these deals are firmed during State Visits, but since it is end of year, China might be giving the US an early XMAS present.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 70, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16567 times:

Another 747 cancellation? Who?


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Reply 71, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16539 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 70):
Another 747 cancellation? Who?

I'd guess one of the BBJs.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 72, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16499 times:

You are proberly right. The production list up to L/N 1488 does not show a 9th BBJ.


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Reply 73, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15988 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 70):
Another 747 cancellation? Who?

It was Lufthansa. They have cancelled delivery of Line Number 1435 so that Boeing can keep it as a dedicated test aircraft for a set of airframe, system and engine improvements due for delivery in late 2013.

Quote:
Explaining the decision, the German carrier’s 747-8 chief pilot Elmar Boje says the extensive flight test modifications already made to the aircraft would mean that, even after post-test refurbishment, the unit would be a non-standard “white elephant” in the Lufthansa fleet. However, he adds the airline’s long-range fleet group is due to decide on adding additional aircraft by the third quarter of 2013, some of which could include 747-8s.

I fully expect once the test work is done Boeing will sell it as a BBJ.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_12_20_2012_p0-531065.xml


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 74, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15663 times:

Thanks for the update.


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Reply 75, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15670 times:
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China Airlines have firmed their six frame 777-300ER order today - http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2545

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Reply 76, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15394 times:
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Will the 4 that GECAS are leasing be new orders too?


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User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 77, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15783 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 76):
Will the 4 that GECAS are leasing be new orders too?

GECAS still has 16 777-300 ER's that haven't been delivered so they will probably come from those orders.


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Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15125 times:
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Aeromexico adds six 787-9s, bringing their total Dreamliner family commitment (leased and purchased) to 19 - 9 787-8s and 10 787-9s.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2546


User currently offlineqf340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14793 times:

Very quiet on the airbus front this year, normally they have a year end rush... ... ...

User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14771 times:

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 79):
Very quiet on the airbus front this year, normally they have a year end rush... ... ...

Maybe they're saving them for 31 of December? 

That would be very Airbus.   



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 81, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14753 times:
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Quoting qf340500 (Reply 79):
Very quiet on the airbus front this year, normally they have a year end rush... ... ...

Airbus doesn't announce their year-end totals until late January of the following year.

And Boeing has in the past recorded major orders on 31 December.  


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 82, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14346 times:
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Quoting qf340500 (Reply 79):
Very quiet on the airbus front this year, normally they have a year end rush... ... ...

They do. As Leahy once explained, they often set end of year (or major air shows) as the target dates by which LOIs or MOUs have to be firmed up. I expect they will finalise some orders in the last few days of December, but to be honest, they've just announced two big orders and they've already hit their projected sales target for the year.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 81):
Airbus doesn't announce their year-end totals until late January of the following year.

The 2011 and 2012 annual press conferences were both held on 17th January.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 83, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13954 times:
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Looks like Boeing has secured another two C-40 Clipper sales for the USN and is seeking authority from the DoD and Congress to order a block of 72 P-8A Poseidon for delivery between 2015 and 2019. The C-40 orders I would expect to post this year, with the P-8's posting in 2013 (assuming the request is granted).

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...chase-up-to-72-boeing-p-8s-380553/


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 84, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13277 times:

50 737-8MAX and 10 737-9MAX has been firmed by ACG and booked as a 2012 order

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2548


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Reply 85, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12752 times:
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More 350s for CIT. Would this also be for the 2012 order book?

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...350-xwb-aircraft-to-its-portfolio/


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Reply 86, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12502 times:

Boeing's end of year O&D results are out.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2552

- 1,203 net commercial orders is second-largest in company history
- 601 deliveries, most since 1999, fueled by production rate increases
- 737 program breaks records for orders and deliveries in a single year

SEATTLE, Jan. 3, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) booked 1,203 net commercial airplane orders in 2012, the second-largest number in company history. The company also delivered 601 airplanes, the most since 1999. Boeing's unfilled commercial airplane orders at the end of the year stood at 4,373, the most in company history.

"Our employees rose to the challenge of executing several production rate increases in 2012—a truly remarkable performance," said Ray Conner, president and CEO, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "Increasing our deliveries by 26 percent allowed us to put more airplanes into the hands of our customers and grow our customer base by offering the best products and services."

The 737 program broke the record for orders for any Boeing model in a single year, accumulating 1,124 net orders. The 737 MAX – the new engine variant of the best-selling 737 – recorded 914 of those orders, bringing total orders to date to 1,064. In addition, the Next-Generation 737 set a new single-year record with 415 deliveries to customers worldwide. The 737 program also celebrated its 10,000th order in 2012.

Boeing's leadership in the widebody market continued in 2012. The year began with the five-continent 787 Dream Tour and ended with 11 787 deliveries in December to seven customers. To date, 49 787s have been delivered to eight customers.

The 777, which totaled 83 deliveries in 2012 and surpassed 1,000 since launch, won 68 net orders. The airplane continues to win accolades from passengers, earning three prestigious awards voted on by business travelers. With 31 deliveries in 2012, the 747-8 Intercontinental and Freighter have received positive reviews from customers and are performing as expected in service.

"As we look ahead to 2013, we're focused on meeting our customer commitments by increasing production rates and delivering high-quality, reliable products and services," said Conner. "We will also transition the 787-9 into production and flight test and work closely with customers, who contribute so much to our success, to continue defining the 787-10X and 777X."



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 87, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12406 times:

And the firm changes in Boeing's orderbook last week and up to 31/12 was:

ACG: 50 737-8MAX and 10 737-9MAX
China Airlines: 6 777-300ER
AeroMexico: 6 787
US Navy: 2 737
Unidentified: 40 737s

Cancellations:
Unidentified: 25 737s and 1 787


User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12378 times:

And of the 40 UFO 737's, 35 appear to be MAX orders. The total went from 1029 to 1064.


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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 89, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12297 times:

914 737 MAX... That's two shy of half the 727 production run... In one year.  Wow!

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12113 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 89):
914 737 MAX... That's two shy of half the 727 production run... In one year.

Remarkable .. but still much less than "just shy" of the NEO's sales performance in 2011 with 1226 unites (not incl. AA's 130 frames) the fastest selling comercial airliner in history!!
 


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Reply 91, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11804 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 87):
Cancellations:
Unidentified: 25 737s and 1 787

20 of the 737s were from Aviation Capital Group. I do not know why they did not convert them from NGs to MAX, but the contract might not have allowed such a transaction. The other five were from Blue Air.

The 787 was from 17 December 2010 and was originally part of Irish aircraft lessor AWAS' order (who cancelled them in 2010).

(Information per the Aircraft-Orders Google Group)


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 92, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11494 times:

Hello all and Happy 2013!!!

I apologize for not getting updates out, but unfortunately the Holidays means a lot of real-life work for me.  

But without further ado, here is Boeing's year-end update, which includes both November and December numbers:


Boeing

Firm Orders
* AeroMexico - 6 787-9
Air Astana - 4 767-300ER & 3 787-8
Air Canada - 3 777-300ER
Air China - 5 747-8i
Air Lease Corp. - 75 737-MAX
Air New Zealand - 2 787-9
ALAFCO - 20 737-MAX
Alaska Airlines - 16 737-900ER & 37 737-MAX
All Nippon Airways - 11 787-9
American Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Avianca - 3 787-8
* Aviation Capital Group - 60 737-MAX
Avolon - 10 737-800 & 15 737-MAX
Boeing Business Jets - 1 737-700BBJ
* Boeing Business Jets - 1 787-8
* China Airlines - 6 777-300ER

China Eastern - 45 737-800
El Al Israel Airlines - 2 737-900ER
Ethiopian Airlines - 1 777-200LR
FedEx - 15 767-300F
* FedEx - 4 767-300F
GE Capital - 10 737-800 & 75 737-MAX
* GE Capital - 4 737-800
GOL - 60 737-MAX
Japan Airlines - 10 787-9
Jet Airways - 17 737-800
Korean Air Lines - 2 777-300ER
Lion Air - 29 737-900ER, 201 737-MAX & 5 787-8
Norwegian Air Shuttle - 22 737-800, 100 737-MAX
Pakistan Int'l Airlines - 5 777-300ER
* Republic of Iraq - 1 777-200LR
* SilkAir - 23 737-800 & 31 737-MAX
TAAG Angola Airlines - 3 777-300ER
Transaero Airlines - 4 787-8
* Turkish Airlines - 15 777-300ER
Turkmenistan Airlines - 1 737-800
United Airlines - 50 737-900ER & 100 737-MAX
Virgin Australia - 1 737-800 & 23 737-MAX
U.S. Navy - 11 737-800A
* U.S. Navy - 2 737-700C
Unidentified - 5 737-800, 22 737-MAX, 3 777-300ER
* Unidentified (11/07/12) - 1 787-8 & 4 787-9
* Unidentified (11/13/12) - 2 737-800
* Unidentified (11/27/12) - 2 747-8F
* Unidentified (12/17/12) - 15 737-800 & 30 777-300ER
* Unidentified (12/21/12) - 35 737-MAX
* Unidentified (12/27/12) - 5 737-800



Cancellations
* Air Astana - 1 767-300ER
* Air Austral - 1 777-200LR

Air Europa - 3 737-800
* Air Europa - 3 737-800
* Aviation Capital Group - 20 737-700

AWAS - 2 737-800
* AWAS - 1 787-8
Boeing Business Jets - 1 787-8
* Blue Air - 2 737-800 & 3 737-900ER
China Eastern - 15 787-8
* Dubai Aerospace - 5 747-8F
GOL - 12 737-800
Jet Airways - 2 777-300ER
* Lufthansa - 1 747-8i
Qantas - 35 787-9
Royal Brunei Airlines (UFO) - 4 777-300ER
Shanghai Airlines - 9 787-8
* United Airlines - 15 737-900ER
* Unidentified - 1 787-8 (from Dec. 2008)



Conversions
AeroMexico - 6 737-700 to 6 737-800
* AeroMexico - 4 737-700 to 4 737-800
Air Berlin - 7 737-700 to 7 737-800
Alaska Airlines - 3 737-800 to 3 737-900ER
All Nippon Airways - 4 787-8 to 4 787-9
American Airlines - 1 777-200ER to 1 777-300ER
Aviation Capital - 8 737-700 to 8 737-800
CIT Leasing - 1 737-900ER to 1 737-800
Continental Airlines - 38 737-700 & 9 737-900ER to United Airlines - 47 737-900ER
ILFC - 1 737-700 to 1 737-800
Lion Air - 8 737-900ER to 8 737-800
* Lion Air - 7 737-900ER to 7 737-800
SpiceJet - 1 737-900ER to 1 737-800
Vietnam Aircraft Leasing - 8 787-8 to Air Lease Corp. 8 787-9
WestJet - 4 737-700 to 4 737-800
* WestJet - 1 737-700 to 1 737-800
Unidentified - 3 737-700 to 3 737-800 (order placed 22 June, 2011)


Identified
Air Canada - 2 777-300ER (from Aug. 2011)
Air France/KLM Group - 25 787-9 (from Dec. 2011)
American Airlines - 2 777-300ER (from Aug. 2011)
China Eastern - 3 737-700 & 4 737-800 (from Feb. 2008)
Hainan Airlines - 4 737-700 & 8 737-800 (from Nov. 2007)
Japan Airlines - 1 737-800 (from Aug. 2010)
LAN Airlines - 2 767-300ER (from Dec. 2011)
Shandong Airlines - 6 737-800 (from Aug. 2007)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-800 (from Dec. 2006)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-800 (from April 2007)
Shanghai Airlines - 2 737-700 & 3 737-800 (from Dec. 2007)
Shenzhen Airlines - 10 737-800 (from Sept. 2007)
Virgin Atlantic - 1 787-9 (from Dec. 2009)


Boeing 2012 totals:
Gross Orders: 1,339
Net Orders: 1,203


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 93, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11398 times:

Thank you Hamlet69, looking forward to the Airbus' update in a few weeks

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1719 posts, RR: 8
Reply 94, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11237 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 90):

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 89):
914 737 MAX... That's two shy of half the 727 production run... In one year.

Remarkable .. but still much less than "just shy" of the NEO's sales performance in 2011 with 1226 unites (not incl. AA's 130 frames) the fastest selling comercial airliner in history!!

Even though the MAX is not selling quite as fast as the NEO... Will you argue that both numbers are not just astounding?


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11089 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 94):
Even though the MAX is not selling quite as fast as the NEO... Will you argue that both numbers are not just astounding?

Did I give you the impression of otherwise?
The second fastest selling airliner in history speaks for itself, especially since there's still 4 years until EIS.

 Wow!


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 96, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10536 times:

Avolon has firmed up an additional 20 A320neo, which will be booked as a 2012 order

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...ment-by-signing-firm-order-for-20/


I guess the order for 10 aircrafts to MEA is likely to be defined as a 2012 order as well


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10394 times:
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@ Someone83 -

I'm not so sure, because this release mentions the MEA order was signed on 9th Jan in the first para (unless the reporter has mixed the date of announcement with the date of firming)

http://blog.al.com/live/2013/01/airbus_firms_up_10-plane_1_bil.html.

Well, we'll all know in a week's time!


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 98, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 97):
I'm not so sure, because this release mentions the MEA order was signed on 9th Jan in the first para (unless the reporter has mixed the date of announcement with the date of firming)

I know, but Airbus har been "creative" before  


User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 99, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

If it takes you 17 days to figure how many airplanes you sold--well enough said.

User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10065 times:

I tried to start a 2013 thread, but had trouble posting it... Maybe someone else could give it a go?


Boeing showing 2 2013 UFO 737's in its weekly update.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/



harder than woodpecker lips...
User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 101, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10072 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 99):

If it takes you 17 days to figure how many airplanes you sold--well enough said.


Same old, same old - Airbus can release their sales figures when they like, they don't owe you the figures on January 1st. They could wait until March if they so wished.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 102, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10197 times:
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Quoting mffoda (Reply 100):
I tried to start a 2013 thread, but had trouble posting it... Maybe someone else could give it a go?

As requested - Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 (by Stitch Jan 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 103, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9841 times:
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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 99):
If it takes you 17 days to figure how many airplanes you sold--well enough said.

Not this tired old crap.   

I really thought we'd all moved on from those childish days, but it seems not.   



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 104, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9647 times:

From twitter: Singapore Airlines firms five A380s and 20 A350-900s.

http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/289670837357907969

[Edited 2013-01-11 01:59:08]


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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4455 posts, RR: 76
Reply 105, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9554 times:
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Irish lessor Avolon confirms / signs for 20 NEOs.
Article on ATW : ATW-04_20130110_ATW-04_387&NL=ATW-04&sfvc4enews=42&YM_RID=rolandrak%40orange.fr&YM_MID=1365499" target="_blank">Avolon NEO order



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 106, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9544 times:

@Pihero Press release here:
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...ment-by-signing-firm-order-for-20/



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User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9514 times:
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If you read the Press Release, the 350 total is given as 582 frames incl SQ's 20. If you look back at their Nov spreadsheet, the total was 562 and the CIT 10 frame order was announced before SQ's. The current orders should therefore stand at 592.

So is it that Airbus aren't counting those ten in today's total, or was there a cancellation of 10 sometime in Nov?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 108, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9501 times:

It's possible, or they 'forgot' to add up the 10 CIT frames. We will find out on January 17th.


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 109, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9481 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 107):
So is it that Airbus aren't counting those ten in today's total, or was there a cancellation of 10 sometime in Nov?

More likely the CIT and SIA press releases were written at the same time, independent of the other.


User currently offlineLeo467 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2013, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9478 times:

These recent Airbus press releases seem to hint at what I would call "John Leahy mathematics"

585 (net order book November)
75 Pegasus (announced Dec)
10 CIT (might be Dec)
10 MEA (might be Dec)
25 SIA (Dec)
20 Avalon (Dec)
+
260 AA (why not now - there was some talk about improved terms and it was "firmed" back in 2011)
220 Lion (a rumour which after all might have something)
=
1205 vs. Boeing at 1203.... (I agree, announcing his Jan 17th is a bit childish, but hey...)

Yes, I admit the latter two are pure speculation, but who else thinks it is still possible Airbus will win the 2012 orders race?
 


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 107):
So is it that Airbus aren't counting those ten in today's total, or was there a cancellation of 10 sometime in Nov?

Apparently CIT's order will not feature until 2013, according to DavidKM of flightglobal - citing "little bird"  


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 112, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 111):
Apparently CIT's order will not feature until 2013, according to DavidKM of flightglobal - citing "little bird"

Should still appear in the grand total of A350 orders tho...


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9127 times:

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 110):
Yes, I admit the latter two are pure speculation, but who else thinks it is still possible Airbus will win the 2012 orders race?

LOL ...
We'll see, but I doubt it.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9100 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 112):
Should still appear in the grand total of A350 orders tho...

Oh, I see. Looks to me like SQ's release was prepared towards the end of last year and they forgot to update it.


User currently onlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6910 posts, RR: 46
Reply 115, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 110):
260 AA (why not now - there was some talk about improved terms and it was "firmed" back in 2011)

Weren't these counted in the 2011 total? If so, then they cannot be counted this year unless AA is suddenly going to be taking 520 of them.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 116, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9048 times:
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Quoting Leo467 (Reply 110):
260 AA (why not now - there was some talk about improved terms and it was "firmed" back in 2011)
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 115):
Weren't these counted in the 2011 total?

I believe that AA has to date firmed the 100 737NG and 100 A320 orders. They have yet to firm the 100 737 MAX and 130 A320neo orders.


User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8976 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 116):
I believe that AA has to date firmed the 100 737NG and 100 A320 orders. They have yet to firm the 100 737 MAX and 130 A320neo orders.

The Airbus orders are not in the November spreadsheet, however people have quoted 2013 C/N for A319 and A321, so perhaps firmed in December or leased? The neo was firmed in 2011 (130 A321neo) but taken out at the end of the year. I believe the 100 737NG order is firm from 2011.

As for other 2012 orders, what about the unfirmed order for 60 A320 series from China Eastern?


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 378 posts, RR: 22
Reply 118, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

Quoting Jack (Reply 117):
he Airbus orders are not in the November spreadsheet, however people have quoted 2013 C/N for A319 and A321, so perhaps firmed in December or leased?

The A319 and A321 will come through lessors, so we probably won't see any new order for these - maybe these lessors will top off their orders individually...


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 119, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8568 times:

Seems like we can add another 25 A320neo for Citilink on Airbus 2012 orders, as this new order will be booked in Dec 2012

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...itilink-orders-25-a320neos-380982/


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 120, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8013 times:

Another December 2012 order from Airbus: 25 A32x and 25 A32xNEO from BOC

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...-family-aircraft-including-25-neo/


User currently offlineLeo467 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2013, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7874 times:

So, the new count including Airbus's "5th quarter" is

585 (net order book November)
75 Pegasus (announced Dec)
25 SIA (Dec)
20 Avalon (Dec)
25 Citilink (Dec)
50 BOC (Dec)
780 (announced net orders for 2012)
+ 10 CIT; 10 Mea possible in 2012

The big question is, whether Airbus can claim the 260 AA as a 2012 order: it says in the press it was firmed "last week" http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...lines-planes-idUSBRE90E01220130115 - the 260 planes do not show up in the November Airbus O&D spreadsheet (not even partially).
Interesting times...

 


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 122, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

@Leo467 and maybe another 200 A320 aircraft for Lion Air.


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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 121):
So, the new count including Airbus's "5th quarter" is

Just remember that even though the media, or A-net, knows nothing about these deals, doesn't mean that they don't happen. Billion $ deals can take months, and sometimes years, in negotiations.
"Only" the air framers know about the sales campaigns that go on and most of then don't leak out before the airframes want them to. Though likely to happen Boeing has not yet announced that they won 2012 order race.
Only the media has.

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 121):
The big question is, whether Airbus can claim the 260 AA as a 2012 order

130 of these was for CEO version. I believe these has already been firmed, no?


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 124, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7742 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 123):
130 of these was for CEO version. I believe these has already been firmed, no?

They were firmed but then they were removed from the order books due to the uncertainty surrounding AA's financial and legal situation after they entered bankruptcy.


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 124):
They were firmed but then they were removed from the order books due to the uncertainty surrounding AA's financial and legal situation after they entered bankruptcy.

Ahhh .. so we might see a 260 strong form order from AA?
 


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 126, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7541 times:
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Quoting Leo467 (Reply 121):
780 (announced net orders for 2012)

Press speculation is that Airbus will post "around 900" net orders for 2012. Your count is 120 short of that figure, but there are rumours that a large easyJet order will be announced shortly.   

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...irbus-orders-idUSLNE90201Z20130103

Quoting Chiad (Reply 123):
130 of these was for CEO version. I believe these has already been firmed, no?

I was of the view it was the neo order that had been firmed, but subsequently removed when AA went into Chapter 11. The ceo order was expected to be filled mainly (if not exclusively) by leasing companies. As such, I didn't expect to see an "AA order" for ceos. However, a lot has changed since the original announcements of these orders, so we'll just have to wait and see.



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User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7625 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 126):
Press speculation is that Airbus will post "around 900" net orders for 2012. Your count is 120 short of that figure, but there are rumours that a large easyJet order will be announced shortly.

861 as per this: http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-gap-as-2012-orders-top-27-billion

If you notice, A has been announcing an order a day for the past week or so, all for 2012. There's still tomorrow to come before the 17th. I'm sure they'll have saved something for last, rather than give it all away the day before - 200 for Lion? The rumoured 380 order (French minister in Turkey tomorrow!)?


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 128, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 121):
The big question is, whether Airbus can claim the 260 AA as a 2012 order: it says in the press it was firmed "last week

No. According to the SEC filing, the agreement was reached 11/1/13, and still needs to be approved by the court, with a hearing scheduled for 23/1/13.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 125):
Ahhh .. so we might see a 260 strong form order from AA?

Unlikely. See below:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 126):
I was of the view it was the neo order that had been firmed

Your view is correct. Or conversely, we were BOTH wrong.  
Quoting scbriml (Reply 126):
The ceo order was expected to be

Also, tentatively, correct. So we should see a 130-frame NEO order. With one caveat:

The actual SEC filing is a little confusing. First, they give a lot of detail on the 787 order. However, they give very little on the MAX order, and even less than that for the Airbus order. I've searched for another filing covering the A32X's, but so far, have turned up missing. Second, the MAX order itself is very confusing. It states they reached a 'Binding Agreement' with Boeing for both firm and options. They specifically state 60 options. However, the subsequent paragraph states that as of January 31, they will have orders for 42 787's (new), 18 777's (+2 from today), and 111 737's (same). I thought at first that they were converting the entire 100 NG order into MAX's. However, it goes on to state that they will also have options for 58 787's, 13 777's and 40 737's. So that leads me to believe that the MAX portion is not, yet, a firm order.  . I can only guess at the NEO's.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineLeo467 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2013, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

@scbriml: The difference between my number above 780 and the ("900") 861 reported in the media is easy to explain:

10 CIT, 10 Mea both reported Jan by Airbus (but without order year, which is stated for all other A press releases in Jan)
61 cancellations (gross/net) reported as of October by Airbus

So the press speculation is not really a speculation but a summary of Airbus' press releases...  

The real question/speculations remains: will JL "do it again" and top Boeing in 2012...

[Edited 2013-01-15 07:13:34]

User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 130, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 128):
No. According to the SEC filing, the agreement was reached 11/1/13, and still needs to be approved by the court, with a hearing scheduled for 23/1/13.

And that caused me to go and hunt out hte SEC filing - makes for interesting reading and answers a lot of questions  
Quote:

Settlement of Bankruptcy Claims. As part of the Restructuring Agreement, American and its affiliates and Boeing and its affiliates have agreed to resolve and release all claims between them in connection with the foregoing assumed agreements that arise out of facts and circumstances occurring on or prior to the filing of the Pending Cases, with limited exceptions, such as third party indemnification claims, warranty claims and claims related to any aircraft lease or financing agreements. Subject to payment by American of certain cure amounts in connection with the assumption of the assumed agreements, Boeing and its affiliates will release and withdraw all claims filed against American and its affiliates in the Pending Cases with the exception of certain allowed unsecured claims specified in the Restructuring Agreements and any claims in connection with any aircraft lease or financing agreements.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=117098&p=irol-sec

Looks like the issue was more than just hinged on financing   Good to see them sort it out!


User currently offlinejdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 353 posts, RR: 7
Reply 131, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 116):
I believe that AA has to date firmed the 100 737NG and 100 A320 orders. They have yet to firm the 100 737 MAX and 130 A320neo orders.

Hi, the Airbus orders where taken out from the order tally in Nov 2011, when AA firmed the bankruptcy, as you can see in page 4 of the 2011 orders presentation http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...?eID=dam_frontend_push&docID=20291

Cheers
JD


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10039 posts, RR: 96
Reply 132, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7015 times:
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Quoting SEPilot (Reply 115):
Weren't these counted in the 2011 total? If so, then they cannot be counted this year unless AA is suddenly going to be taking 520 of them.

No they weren't.
As Jdevora points out above, they were withheld pending the AA Ch 11 proceedings.

Rgds


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

G'day

Just announced on BBC per latest info the total Airbus orders for 2012 are around 900. Not bad, but the A-net mystery order appears missing  Wow!     


Cheers

Peter  Wow!     



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 134, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6445 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
COMMUNITY MANAGER

Airbus have announced 914 Gross orders, 833 net and 588 deliveries. Includes 60 A320ceo from undisclosed Asian customer.


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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

Net orders!

305 A320CEO
478 A320NEO
82 A330
40 A350XWB
9 A380

Net orders for December: 248
There was 20 cancellations in December and 81 total for 2012.

[Edited 2013-01-17 02:37:49]

[Edited 2013-01-17 02:42:18]

User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 134):
Includes 60 A320ceo from undisclosed Asian customer.

China Eastern?


User currently offlineLeo467 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2013, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 135):
Net orders!

305 A320CEO
478 A320NEO
82 A330
40 A350XWB
9 A380

These are GROSS numbers.
NET are 739 A320, 58 A330 and 27 A350XWB, 9 A380, still quite something


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Net orders of December:

Quoting Leo467 (Reply 137):

These are GROSS numbers.
NET are 739 A320, 58 A330 and 27 A350XWB, 9 A380, still quite something

Sorry .. ofcourse!
I really meant gross.
Honest.

Please read what I mean, not what I write ... to avoid the confusion.
 
 


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 139, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days ago) and read 5217 times:

And finally, year-end totals for Airbus (includes November and December):


Airbus

Firm Orders
Afriqiyah Airways - 3 A330-200 & 4 A350-900
* AirAsia - 36 A320 & 64 A320neo
Airbus Corporate Jets - 2 A318CJ, 2 A319CJ & 1 A330-200
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 2 A320
Air Namibia - 2 A319
Air Lease Corp. - 36 A320Neo, 1 A330-200 & 2 A330-300
* AJW Capital - 2 A340-500
Arkia Israeli Airlines - 4 A321Neo (the MOU was for 4 Neo's, however, up to 3 could be Oeo's based on other statements)
AviancaTaca - 18 A32X, 33 A32X Neo. (Airbus shows 27 A319's, 20 A320's & 4 A321's. However, the individual breakdown between Oeo and Neo is not known at this time)
* Avolon - 20 A320neo
BOC Aviation - 3 A320
* BOC Aviation - 25 A320/321 & 25 A320/321neo (breakdown between models currently unknown)
* CASGC - 28 A320 & 8 A321
Cathay Pacific - 6 A350-900 & 10 A350-1000
CIT Leasing - 10 A330-300
* CitiLink - 25 A320neo
Druk Air - 1 A319
Etihad Airways - 2 A330-200 & 2 A330-200F
Garuda Indonesia - 11 A330-300
Gulf Air - 10 A320Neo
ICBC Leasing - 30 A320 & 20 A320Neo
* Interjet - 40 A320neo
* Iraqi Ministry of Transport - 1 A330-200
* Middle East Airlines - 5 A320neo & 5 A321neo

Norwegian Air Shuttle - 100 A320Neo
* Pegasus Airlines - 57 A320neo & 18 A321neo
Philippine Airlines - 34 A321, 10 A321Neo & 20 A330-300
* Singapore Airlines - 20 A350-900 & 5 A380-800
Spirit Airlines - 30 A320
Synergy Aerospace - 6 A330-200 & 3 A330-200F
Tibet Airlines - 3 A319
* Tibet Airlines - 1 A319
TransAero Airlines - 4 A380-800
* TransAsia Airways - 6 A321neo
Turkish Airlines - A330-300
UTair - 20 A321
* Undisclosed - 12 A319, 16 A320, 32 A321 & 3 A330-300


Cancellations
AerCap - 1 A330-200
* AerCap - 1 A330-200
Afriqiyah Airways - 3 A321
AirAsia X - 1 A330-200
* AirAsia X - 1 A330-200
Airbus Corporate Jets - 1 A318CJ
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 14 A320
ALAFCO - 6 A350-900
CIT Leasing - 1 A319 & 3 A320
Etihad Airways - 2 A320 & 7 A350-1000
Gulf Air - 10 A330-300
Intrepid Aviation - 2 A330-200F
* Kingfisher Airlines - 2 A340-500
MatlinPatterson - 6 A330-200F
* Virgin America - 20 A320


Conversions
Afriqiyah Airways - 6 A350-800 to 6 A350-900
AirAsiaX - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 1 A330-200 to Air Lease Corp. - 1 A330-200
Aircraft Purchase Fleet - 1 A330-200 to GE Capital - 1 A330-200
Air Lease Corp. - 1 A320 to 1 A321
ALAFCO - 1 A320 to Air Berlin 1 A320
Aviation Capital - 2 A320 to 2 A321
BOC Aviation - 4 A320 to 4 A321
CASGC - 2 A320 to Spring Airlines - 2 A320
CASGC - 2 A320 to Juneyao Airlines - 2 A321
* CASGC - 1 A320 to 1 A319
Cathay Pacific - 16 A350-900 to 16 A350-1000
CIT Leasing - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
Etihad Airways - 6 A320 to 6 A321
GECAS - 8 A320 to 8 A321
* GECAS - 2 A320 to 2 A321
Germania - 2 A319 to 2 A321
ICBC - 3 A320 to 3 A321
IndiGo - 18 A320 to 18 A321 (it is unknown if these are CEO or NEO)
Intrepid Aviation - 5 A330-200F to 2 A330-200 & 3 A330-300
Juneyao Airlines - 1 A320 to 1 A321
Korean Air Lines - 6 A330-200 to 6 A330-300
* LAN - 3 A319 to 3 A320
* Qatar Airways - 20 A350-800 to 3 A350-900 & 17 A350-1000
Singapore Airlines - 5 A330-300 to AerCap Ireland - 5 A330-300
Spirit Airlines - 13 A319 to 13 A320
TACA Int'l - 7 A320 to 2 A319 & 5 A321
* TACA Int'l - 1 A319 to 1 A320
* TAM - 4 A319 to 3 A320 & 1 A321

US Airways - 1 A319 & 10 A320 to 11 A321


Identified
Air Berlin - 5 A320 & 14 A321
ALAFCO - 35 A320Neo
Gulf Air - 1 A320 & 4 A321
* Gulf Air - 3 A319, 10 A320, 2 A321 & -4 A330-300
WizzAir - -20 A320 (cancellation booked December 2011)


2012 Totals:
Gross: 914
Net: 833


Regards,

Hamlet69



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