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Why Do Airlines Provide Aircraft Type?  
User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11811 times:

I was wondering why, when I look for flights, do the agencies and airlines provide aircraft type alongside the departure times and flight numbers etc.

To the average flier, is aircraft type going to make a significant factor when it comes to booking their next flight?
Will the majority of fliers know the difference between an A321 and B757? Thanks


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11673 times:

Frequent flyers don't know the technical differences, but they do know how to use things like SeatGuru to find and avoid lousy seats.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11590 times:

I imagine that the practice goes back many decades when aircraft type mattered much more than it did today, and airlines marketed the hell out of it. Whether your flight is on an A320 or 737 makes a difference. But what about the difference between an unpressurized DC-3 bouncing through the weather or a CV-580 flying above it? The smoothness and speed of a jet used to be a major competitive advantage while now it's just ubiquitous.


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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3797 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11487 times:
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Average travelers don't care, but we are in a forum full of people who care. Some of us are freaks like me. I never book a flight without knowing what aircraft I will be on.

Back in the 90s I would always look for 727s, my loved one. When flying American domestic, unless I fly to or from MIA, I will always look for MD-80s because I know it will soon get harder to get one. Unless you fly to or from DFW...it's now difficult to get a Super 80.
When flying to or from MIA, although I don't mind flying on a 737, I always look for a 757 because that one will also be hard to get soon. In a year from now when the new A319s and A321s will start arriving, I will look forward to fly on those as well. I prefer those over the 737.
Last summer, I flew on a 762 from MIA to JFK. I knew it would be my last ride on a 767-200. I was glad to fly on that one.

There are some people, however, who care even if they are not aviation fans. For example, when flying TATL they want to know if they will be on a wide body plane instead of a 757 because they will feel the 757 is small for those long haul trips.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11435 times:

My brother used to never care, but since he was stuck on a NB 757 TATL, a flight which he absolutely hated, he now pays attention. For business he does a good amount TATL and now avoids the 757 and would rather connect if that is what it takes.

As for me, I kinda look for 757 flights because they wont be around that much longer, but I would never ever want to do TATL on one (although I looked seriously at SEA-KEF last summer)


User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11410 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Average travelers don't care, but we are in a forum full of people who care. Some of us are freaks like me. I never book a flight without knowing what aircraft I will be on.

Yup, I'll usually pick an A330 over a 767 (quieter) and avoid MD11's like the plague. Also useful for finding rare and random aircraft like 743's and E170's.

I also try to avoid transcon on narrow bodies.

[Edited 2012-10-29 18:51:36]


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User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11400 times:

I don't mind taking a B757 TATL. I did DTW-DUS on a Northwest 757 a couple years ago and I was fine. I prefer it actually, less people on the flight make for an easier check-in, and easier to clear customs. (I went through DTW customs in less than 4 minutes, compared to almost an hour at ATL.)


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5582 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11349 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
There are some people, however, who care even if they are not aviation fans.

Yep. Neither of my parents could tell an MD80 from an ATR, yet both have their "pet peeves". My father refuses to step foot on a 777 and my mother dislikes A330s and 80s (but likes 777s). Of course they don't actually name them, but say something like "I really didn't like that plane between X and Y", and then ask me to try and steer them away from flying on one again.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Last summer, I flew on a 762 from MIA to JFK. I knew it would be my last ride on a 767-200. I was glad to fly on that one.

I flew on one MIA-LAX in February, my first - and almost definitely last - flight on the type. I'm glad I got one while they're still around.

Now I just need to find that elusive DC9...


(Question: I'm 90% sure that was my first 762 flight, but back in February 2002 I flew LHR-YHZ on AC. I think it was a 763, but can anyone confirm that? It was definitely a 767)



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11340 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
I imagine that the practice goes back many decades when aircraft type mattered much more than it did today, and airlines marketed the hell out of it.

I think that's right. Remember when airlines named aircraft types within their fleets?

Quoting timpdx (Reply 4):
now avoids the 757 and would rather connect if that is what it takes.

To each his own... but...   


User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6217 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11323 times:
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Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
To the average flier, is aircraft type going to make a significant factor when it comes to booking their next flight?
Will the majority of fliers know the difference between an A321 and B757? Thanks

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Average travelers don't care, but we are in a forum full of people who care. Some of us are freaks like me. I never book a flight without knowing what aircraft I will be on.

Funilly enough, when I was getting my graduate degree this came up in Marketing class. "Average" travellers don´t care, basically because they fly very little. But to someone who flies every week on domestic or more than 3 times a year on long hauls, airliner type does matter. Maybe they won´t go as far as demanding a flight on an A330 instead of a 767 but they´d definitely will know the difference between a narrow body and a wide body.

Some also know that on your average long haul, flight time on a 744 can be up to 2hrs less than on a 767 on the same route. On my long hauls it´s usually a 1hr. difference, but it does become noticeable and relevant when you have to arrive and go to work.

Others don´t know the aircraft type, but they associate the airline with the comfort that a certain type provides. For example, some frequent fliers will always fly on LH because they are using a 744 on the route they need to use. If they get on an airline that is flying, say an A340, they won´t like it. At the very least they´ll notice the difference.

Then you have the geeks like us, who will actually choose to go out of our way to fly a particular airliner.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
I imagine that the practice goes back many decades when aircraft type mattered much more than it did today, and airlines marketed the hell out of it. Whether your flight is on an A320 or 737 makes a difference.

You are correct. Nowadays I don´t care what I´m getting when flying short sectors, as, let´s face it, once inside, an A320 is just the same as a 737, for the "Average" passenger of course. And A320s and 737s are mostly all your choices nowadays.

However, if I had to choose flying the same sector between an ATR42 or an ER190, I would go with the jet. Most "Average" travellers think of turboprops as light aircraft and don´t feel safe in them. Again, the "association" phenomena plays a part here. If by chance the airline that used an ATR42 is say AA, they will most likely get off the aircraft upon arrival, cell in hand, calling their corporate travel agent not to book them on AA on that route ever again.

And, by the way, I´m not trying to start an A vs B thread. The above are just examples coming out of my head. Maybe some are a bit too extreme but I think in general "Average" travellers think along those lines. So it´s important for the carrier to differentiate, and showing the aircraft type goes some way to achieving that.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3797 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11266 times:
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Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 6):
I did DTW-DUS on a Northwest 757 a couple years ago and I was fine.

You mean a Delta 757, because two years ago Northwest was already merged into Delta. I'm sure that it was a Delta plane. It is possible, however, that it was an ex-Northwest 757.

Quoting timpdx (Reply 4):
I would never ever want to do TATL on one

Not a problem for me. I don't mind flying TATL on a 757. I have done it from JFK to BRU, and back, with both American and Delta. Most people don't like that, but it's OK with me.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11219 times:

Quoting timpdx (Reply 4):
As for me, I kinda look for 757 flights because they wont be around that much longer, but I would never ever want to do TATL on one (although I looked seriously at SEA-KEF last summer)

I've done the TATL run on 757's a couple of times (to/from DUB and KEF). I have, maybe, a slight preference to the 767 over the 757 but I'd much rather either of those two than the bigger stuff. Quicker load, quicker unload, smaller customs line, same seat.

Tom.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11167 times:

Having the plane type info is immensely useful ... I always try to book away from props and RJs whenever price differential is minimal

User currently onlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10916 times:
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To keep us aviation nuts happy . I think most business travelers avoid certain aircraft. I know prior to the DL 744 mods many of my coworkers avoided it like the plague. They'd take a silly connection if it meant they could get a 777. I know when I fly (which I have to admit isn't as often as some on this site) I try to avoid the larger CRJs. Sounds silly to most, but I hate them. The 50 seat RJs to me aren't bad. Sure the seats aren't the biggest. But the lack of a proper overhead bin on the larger ones are a nightmare. Instead of the 5 idiots trying to cram their roller bag in the bin you have 8 or 9. Props though I welcome. The hum of the props knocks me right out.
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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

I avoid NZ 767 business class. If I'm going to be on one I just fly economy. If its a 777 I go business premier. I also like to know if I'm on a plane with overhead space for my carry on. On United express some CRJ's have first class (and I can get upgraded) but others don't. Lots of reasons out there.

User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10593 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 5):
Also useful for finding rare and random aircraft like 743's and E170's.

Having said that I once used it to pick a Saab 340 over an ATR 72 flight because I'd never flown on a 340.. It was an experience but also the most uncomfortable flight ever! It seemed to be never ending...



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User currently offlines5daw From Slovenia, joined May 2011, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10299 times:

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
To the average flier, is aircraft type going to make a significant factor when it comes to booking their next flight?
Will the majority of fliers know the difference between an A321 and B757? Thanks

Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer a quad engine over the oceans. Statistical probability of losing half of your engines should be much lower compared to dual engine planes.

On top of that, I find A340 more comfortable than 747 or A380 for that matter.


User currently offlinephette From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 49 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8362 times:

To inform PAX what kind of aircraft it is, duh durrr..seriously,

Most passengers don't even know what the hell a 737 is much less a -900.


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

I plan my travel based on airline as the first criteria, with Northwest being my former first choice, now Delta, and aircraft type as the second choice. I'm kinda OCD about this--I prefer Airbus for almost all my travel, and a few years ago, I booked a specific flight to coordinate a vacation with one of the last DC-9-30 flights. After getting off at MSP and walking to the gate for my connection, I was shocked to see a 757-200 sitting there. As it turned out, the gate agent said that it was a last minute plane swap due to maintenance...boy was I bummed.

Oh, and the A330 is my ride across any ocean, by the way, even if I can't get it on Delta. I'll pay the extra few hundred dollars to get that plane, although if it comes up that someone is flying something about to retire I may concede a bit.



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User currently offlines5daw From Slovenia, joined May 2011, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 18):
Oh, and the A330 is my ride across any ocean

Just curious: why A330?


User currently offlinehrc773 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Airlines always have their frequent flyers in mind when making any kind of decision. Airlines know that frequent flyers know a/c types and have their preferences so it comes in handy when choosing your flight.

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3797 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7654 times:
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Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 18):
I prefer Airbus for almost all my travel

I like Airbus narrow bodies: the A319, A320 and A321.

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 18):
After getting off at MSP and walking to the gate for my connection, I was shocked to see a 757-200 sitting there.

I understand your disappointment. But let me ask you this:
What aircraft were you on upon getting off at MSP (if you still remember) ? Were you on a DC-9? I don't know where you were coming from, but chances are you were because up until recently MSP was DC-9 heaven. And so was DTW. If you were on a DC-9 on the first flight of your trip, seeing an equipment swap on your connecting flight from a DC-9 to a 757 you should not have been that disappointed. I would have said myself: "Oh never mind, I was on a DC-9 recently".

If you are really fond of the DC-9, try to fly now on a DC-9-50 before it is too late. It will be too late before you know it.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

I think that in general, airlines have determined that passengers (customers) have better experiences the fewer surprises they have. The more information they share, the less likely there is to be a surprise (even if it's a negative situation). This started with publicizing aircraft type and has morphed into publishing the seat map (with occupied seats noted, none of which was publicly available 10-ish years ago pre-internet), the upgrade and standby lists, real-time gate information, real-time arrival/departure information, etc. I think this is a sea change from a generation ago when all companies (not just airlines) were very reluctant to share much of anything if it had the slightest chance of compromising a sale for fear that the information could be used against them.

(Although, I'm sure UA is feeling some of that now that they had to change some of those special 787 flights to non-787 equipment.    )


User currently offlinedelta88 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7087 times:
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Maybe, i know this is quite a far long out shot, but maybe some people who fly think of safety? (I.E those living in the 70s with the DC-10 crashes), maybe they want an aircraft they think is "Safer"? Its a long shot, but im sure there are some people who think an A320 is safer than a B737-800 or an MD-83 VS an MD-82 ETC. I always thought that Airlines did that so people might know what kind of seating, service, and what kind of ride they may expierence on that particular flight, just a thouhgt.


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User currently offlineSRMD11 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

I think, it makes sense for people like frequent flyers or aviation enthusiasts. And, it's nice to have this Information. For the rest , let's assume 95% of the passengers, it's not relevant to them what type they are flying. The food or look like of the flight crew is much more the point. Followed by other amenities like the quality of the IFE. I'm often surprised by the fact, how nescient some passengers are. There are people... if they see a brand new Turboprop, they think it's a plane from WWII period because of the propeller's. As A.Neters and enthusiasts, we are living a bit in a nice bubble of know how and thirst of knowledge - outside this bubble, the world is different...

25 Cessna172RG : Hey Ben, The route of flight was SEA-MSP-BWI, returning JFK-SEA nonstop. Aircraft in question were 757-300, DC-9-30 (subbed out to a 757-200) and then
26 displane : You're absolutely right. I used to work res and would receive those type of calls all the time. Where are the engines? Is it a jet or prop? Airbus or
27 jimbobjoe : Perhaps there were other differences as well. Could you take as much hand luggage on board the DC-3 as you could on the CV-580? That might have been
28 TWA772LR : Because they know this website exists.
29 CitationJet : I had someone tell me just last month that they were not looking forward to flying on an AA 737-800. I asked them why, and they said that the 737 was
30 Post contains images lh526 : Statisticaly the propability is the same ... just saying
31 DariusBieber : No it was Northwest. They discontinued the route before merging with Delta.
32 JAGflyer : With easy access to things like SeatGuru, more passengers are becoming aware of the aircraft type and specifically avoiding some models (ie. CRJ inste
33 Archer : I didn't see anyone mention the great advantage (to me) of the 767 and 330. They both have 2 seats on the window so if you are traveling with spouse o
34 Post contains links and images flobo3 : I was born in the mid 80s, but I know that there was a time when flying was something special. Airlines had there flagships, when the 707 appeared on
35 tdscanuck : This is one of the reasons they list type...some people use it. Although I would suggest you're looking at the wrong statistic. The probability of lo
36 nomadd22 : You'd think so, but have two engine on a two holer ever failed for unrelated reasons? I've personally been on a 4 engine plane with two shut down for
37 tdscanuck : No. The failure probabilities were different across quads and twins, for a while, because of the different maintenance requirements. Now that ETOPS h
38 Post contains images s5daw : That's exactly why I love A340. Plus it has 4 engines
39 Post contains images sweair : After a horrible flight in a crowded A330 that is one plane I would avoid, and its french made too
40 AirbusA6 : Yes, it's just the enthusiasts and frequent flyers who care... but it's the latter who are the key customers for an airline, and many of them are very
41 trent1000 : I have noticed various airlines showing the 738 as 'with winglets'.
42 Post contains images danielkandi : Some do I avoid Emirates for that fact. 10 abreast is a no go for me. I look at the aircrafttype, and choose my flights, based around the fastest pos
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