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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 121  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15101 times:

Welcome to number 121 Part of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In number 120 we talked about; New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 120 (by ZKOJH Oct 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)

* Bali services return next year
* NZ and 'STAR ALLIANCE' is it the right alliance?
* ZK-MVA first ATR 72-600 all ready to come home to New Zealand
* ATR 72-600 Routes
* Star Alliance changes for 'GOLD'
* Nelson Airport voted best airport in New Zealand
* ANZ A320 help in Sea Rescue Mission
* AKL-AMS on ''Grabaseat''
* NZ 'Nightrider' Fares drop to NZ$7 in the lead up to Xmas
* NZ third in 'Conde Nast Travelers list of best foreign airlines
* Gisborne Airport raise landing fees NZ reduce services
* WLG terminal upgrade cost 40 Million NZ$
* NZ and the new 'Hobbit 77W'
* Uzbekistan 763 in CHC along with an NZ 763!

''All set - lets go again!''


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User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15122 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
* ZK-MVA first ATR 72-600 all ready to come home to New Zealand

Does anyone know the exact routing of its delivery flight from France to New Zealand?


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15092 times:

and the price war has started !

''Jetstar offers 1c airfares''

That 10 cent coin in the back of your jeans could soon see you flying across the country and back.

Jetstar has launched a sale campaign across its domestic network this week with seats on sale for one cent each.
The airline is offering 600 1c airfares every weekday between 6pm and 7pm, with a total of 3000 seats on offer.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...etstar-offers-1c-airfares#comments



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15080 times:
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Night Rider Fares Slashed to $7 in the Lead up to Christmas

http://www.theflyingsocialnetwork.com/archives/5531

Wonder if this is a response to the latest Jetstar deal?

NZ1


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15001 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 3):
Night Rider Fares Slashed to $7 in the Lead up to Christmas

http://www.theflyingsocialnetwork.com/archives/5531

Wonder if this is a response to the latest Jetstar deal?

not when it was released 4 days ago!!!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14956 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
Star Alliance changes for 'GOLD'

Have the changes actually been announced?

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 3):

NZs night rider $7 fares were announced last week.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 2):

Wonder if NZ will react? Obviously not expecting 1c fares tho!

SQ have purchased a 10% share in Virgin Australia, Virgin Oz have purchased a 65% share in Tiger Australia and Virgin Oz have offered a take over price of SkyWest Australia.

Tiger launching LCC NZL services soon with a DJ code?


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14941 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Tiger launching LCC NZL services soon with a DJ code?

NZ would have to be in on this too, otherwise it would jeopardise the NZ/DJ partnership.



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14921 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 3):
Night Rider Fares Slashed to $7 in the Lead up to Christmas

Right on cue for when business traffic starts to taper off for the year!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14897 times:
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Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 6):

Would NZ really have to be involved since DJ don't have a 100% stake?


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14843 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Tiger launching LCC NZL services soon with a DJ code?

Apparently DJ has realised that you can't be a LCC and a full service carrier at the same time, which is what something NZ has been chasing to become.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14807 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 9):
Apparently DJ has realised that you can't be a LCC and a full service carrier at the same time, which is what something NZ has been chasing to become.

Air New Zealand is profitable, so I don't know why it can't work.

Virgin Australia has (effectively) bought an undercutting competitor, based on a simple, time honoured theory - if you can't beat 'em, buy 'em.

mariner



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14724 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Tiger launching LCC NZL services soon with a DJ code?

Probably not. The deal may mean that DJ can block Tiger's entry into NZL and Pacific.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14663 times:
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Quoting cchan (Reply 11):

Or DJ could use TT to their advantage like QF with JQ. Use TT for routes DJ can't operate with a good profit on due to TT's lower costs (HLZ), launch LCC leisure routes (OOL) and heck.........we might even see TT on..........domestic routes here if DJ wanted.


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14604 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
we might even see TT on..........domestic routes here if DJ wanted.


And giving the bird to NZ in the process. Like I alluded before, DJ would only allow this if NZ was onside, otherwise they would loose NZ as a partner. NZ is perfectly capable of combating JQ on their own, there is no need for a dedicated "low cost" airline to supplement NZ services.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14586 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
Or DJ could use TT to their advantage like QF with JQ. Use TT for routes DJ can't operate with a good profit on due to TT's lower costs (HLZ), launch LCC leisure routes (OOL) and heck..

Several posters on the other thread have referred to Tiger's lower costs, but I wonder how much lower they actually are.

Yes, it has a newer staff (lower pay?) but it doesn't have economies of scale on the fleet and it pays the same fuel costs as everyone else, and airport costs since since it left Avalon.

The only accounts I can find are for the Tiger group and the CASK number is not particularly low. I assume the Australian costs are higher than the system average. Additionally, the CASK went up by 12% in the last year.

It's possible the Tiger parent in Singapore is quite pleased to have someone else take over what has been a problem airline.

mariner



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14410 times:

On the Nightrider front, have just heard an interesting yarn from a friend I used to work with in the advertising industry...

We all know the incumbent NZ CEO is the face for the Nightrider campaign. Well apparently The Hoff, David Hasselhoff, the original Nightrider, was the intended face of the campaign. However, on his way to shoot the commercial he got so loaded on the flight, mixing booze with prescription meds, that he was unable to meet his commitments to the airline (by all accounts was a blithering mess, see youtube of him and his daughter for reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jGDc-v_Nms).

NZ's advertising agency had already booked the media and the production company was waiting for talent; the airline had completed planning and back-end booking systems for Nightrider so NZ went into emergency strategy with the new face being the 'recently single' Rob Fyfe who was on-hand for the commercial shoot.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Several posters on the other thread have referred to Tiger's lower costs, but I wonder how much lower they actually are.

There are so many hoops to jump through for any business in NZ of course they are not going to be lower cost than JQ. Especially for a tiny market like NZL. VA already tried and failed, and even Jetstar have not been able to expand as planned. It is hard to have lower costs when there are not enough people to fill the aircraft that are flying.

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
It's possible the Tiger parent in Singapore is quite pleased to have someone else take over what has been a problem airline.

I agree. I think SQ is glad to be rid. They have other risks like Scoot to offset.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5016 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14205 times:

Will be interesting to see what the flight plan is for NZ39 ( or is it NZ35) on Nov. 1st for the HKG-LHR section.Apparently the 77W might be technical restricted from flying on the Y1 airway across China that the 77E is able to use
Possibly it might look more like a CX 77W flight plan for that sector.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14130 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 1):
Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
* ZK-MVA first ATR 72-600 all ready to come home to New Zealand

Does anyone know the exact routing of its delivery flight from France to New Zealand?

Don't know exactly but from memory previous ATR deliveries were mostly two sectors a day, sometimes one, and ended SIN-DPS-DRW, DRW-BNE-CHC.

Will the ATR72-600's be fitted with ADS-B?

PA515


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14050 times:

Around 13hrs to go to the world see's the new NZ Safety Video for the 'Hobbit' and from the the small clip already out it looks FANTASTIC!

http://www.theflyingsocialnetwork.com/archives/5571



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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13985 times:

Anything would be better than the current safety video. Rico was better.

User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13873 times:

I wonder which safety video they will play on NZ35 1 Nov.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13685 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 19):
Around 13hrs to go to the world see's the new NZ Safety Video for the 'Hobbit' and from the the small clip already out it looks FANTASTIC!

http://www.theflyingsocialnetwork.co.../5571

I'm not particularly fond of the souped up safety videos, but I think this one is very good. It certainly held my attention.

mariner



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User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13642 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
I'm not particularly fond of the souped up safety videos, but I think this one is very good. It certainly held my attention.

I totally agree. Just the right mix of kiwi humor in this one!


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13548 times:

the new video is rather gripping - probably more so than the actual movies will be :-P Best of them by a long way - but then WETA workshop did create it...

Yes I'm sure you can expect the new briefing tonight on NZ35..


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13663 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 18):
Will the ATR72-600's be fitted with ADS-B?

ZK-MVA has ADS-B and showed up on flightradar24.com as 'ZKMVA', not as an Air NZ Flight Number.

It departed TLS 31 Oct at about 0958 UTC and after exactly five hours was between Crete and Egypt heading for ALY when the signal went out of range. Looks like an overnight in CAI which would be about a 6hr 30m flight.

PA515


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13601 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 24):
Yes I'm sure you can expect the new briefing tonight on NZ35..

Or maybe the crazy about rugby one, as the front of the plane is filled by the All Blacks?


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13780 times:

The video is out now.... actually a few hours ago. Quite good, has a few laughs etc and a cameo from SPJ.


56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13745 times:

From an email I received at work.

"CZ305 and 306 10&14 Dec will be operated by an A380. Arrival and departure will remain the same."


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 29, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13707 times:

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 28):

Interesting to see what they do.. Would they be able to offload the CZ A380 at one Gates 15/16 before moving it to a remote and bringing back EK407 to the gate while not causing any delays? Or would they take a remote stand/the single airbridge gate?



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 30, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13687 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
Interesting to see what they do.. Would they be able to offload the CZ A380 at one Gates 15/16 before moving it to a remote and bringing back EK407 to the gate while not causing any delays? Or would they take a remote stand/the single airbridge gate?

Time for AKL to upgrade a gate to have dual airbridges. Gate 6,8,10? Whichever one has the biggest box space to the next gate with clearance behind. Speaking of, most of the airbridges at AKL are in pretty poor condition these days! (Inside they look ok but they are rusting away and are very slow (delaying disembarkation). Most of them have got to be 30 years old which coupled with salt air and high levels of rainfall shorten their life.



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 31, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13636 times:
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze...Air-NZ-plans-Mt-Cook-service-trial

In todays Dominion Post, the article was slightly different, whats not talked about in the above link is the All Blacks ATR first route.......CHC-WLG early this month!

Anyone know the flight/date?


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13492 times:

''Crash pilots ignored cockpit warning alerts - report''

Findings in an inquiry into an Air Nelson plane that skidded along a runway on its nose landing gear doors have been dismissed by the airline, which says the incident was due to inaccurate advice from the plane's manufacturer rather than the pilots.

The Transport Accident Investigation Commission (TAIC) has found the pilots of a Bombardier Dash 8 ignored two warnings that the landing gear was unsafe as it came in to land at Blenheim on September 30, 2010.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10844375



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 33, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13426 times:
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The Fokker F27 that operated between WLG - Chatham Islands years ago made its final journey back to the Chathams this morning from Timaru by boat. NZ have donated it to the Islands aviation museum.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7893...-flight-plain-sailing-for-old-bird


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13355 times:

ANZ Halloween 'Grabaseat' name turns offensive

''Mayor wants apology over 'offensive' Halloween joke''

The mayor of Blenheim wants Air New Zealand to apologise for an "offensive" Halloween joke.

The airline got into the Halloween spirit on its Grabaseat site today by renaming destinations in line with the theme of the day.

Auckland became Spookland, Christchurch is Witchchurch, Rotorua is Rottingrua, and Wellington is Spellington on the low-fare site.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/mayo...r-offensive-halloween-joke-5178710



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 35, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13227 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 34):
The mayor of Blenheim wants Air New Zealand to apologise for an "offensive" Halloween joke.

Apologise to who and for what? Ridiculous in my opinion. Gallows humour is perfect on Hallowe'en. Beastheim indeed.



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User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13227 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 25):
ZK-MVA has ADS-B and showed up on flightradar24.com as 'ZKMVA', not as an Air NZ Flight Number.

It departed TLS 31 Oct at about 0958 UTC and after exactly five hours was between Crete and Egypt heading for ALY when the signal went out of range. Looks like an overnight in CAI which would be about a 6hr 30m flight.

PA515

First leg was filed as LFBO-HELX (Luxor). Flight was indeed on registration, with NZM in item 18 as operator.
It'll be interesting to see what the rest of the routing is (unfortunately I can only view flightplans that operate in the Eurocontrol area).

Yorden



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13161 times:

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 36):
First leg was filed as LFBO-HELX (Luxor). Flight was indeed on registration, with NZM in item 18 as operator.
It'll be interesting to see what the rest of the routing is (unfortunately I can only view flightplans that operate in the Eurocontrol area).

Thanks Yorden.
'ZKMVA' appeared on flightradar24.com NW of RUH at 0940UTC and 25,000 ft, tracked east to just north of BAH then southeast over AUH and at 1235UTC went out of signal range at 22,550 ft about 100 kms from MCT. Next stop CMB?

PA515


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13126 times:

Yesterday a New Zealand aviation website gave the delivery routing for ZK-MVA as Toulouse, Luxor, Muscat, Colombo, Singapore/Seletar, Darwin, Brisbane, Christchurch, arriving 06 November.

PA515


User currently offlinebonzolab From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13029 times:

Indeed the routing is a 6 day journey through Luxor, Muscat, Columbo, Singapore, Bali, Darwin and Brisbane. Here are some more pics, interior looks great!


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 40, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13008 times:

Quoting bonzolab (Reply 39):

Looking great! Now if someone could post a schedule for its first week in operation...  
Can't wait to try it out!



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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 869 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12954 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 40):
Looking great! Now if someone could post a schedule for its first week in operation...

I looked tday. Mount Cook ops no doubt have some plan but nothing showing in the general system for others in the business to see yet.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 42, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12914 times:
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ZK-MVA is currently scheduled as follows:

Thurs 15th Nov

CHC-DUD NZ5051
DUD-CHC NZ5052
CHC-ROT NZ5378
ROT-CHC NZ5379
CHC-DUD NZ5099

Fri 16th Nov

DUD-CHC NZ5012
CHC-PMR NZ5352
PMR-CHC NZ5357
CHC-ROT NZ5378
ROT-CHC NZ5379
CHC-DUD NZ5023
DUD-CHC NZ5356

Sat 17th Nov

CHC-WLG NZ5068
WLG-DUD NZ5049
DUD-WLG NZ5036
WLG-CHC NZ5313
CHC-PMR NZ5346
PMR-AKL NZ5076
AKL-PMR NZ5077

This is sourced from AirOps so sorry, no link available. Should give everyone a chance to see it over these few days.

NZ1

[Edited 2012-11-01 19:49:24]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 43, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12823 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 42):

Thanks, any chance of you posting Sunday's schedule?



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12822 times:

And the battle between Air New Zealand and Jetstar heat up even more;

''Air NZ offers free flights to Christchurch''

Air New Zealand is offering free flights to Christchurch as the battle for the cheapest airfares reaches its nadir.

The move comes just days after Jetstar offered one-cent flights every day this week - a deal which came hot on the heels of Air NZ's offer of $7 tickets between Auckland and Wellington on late night flights in the week before Christmas.

Air NZ said 1500 free one-way airfares into and out of Christchurch would be available to customers travelling between November 12 and December 2.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10844613



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12734 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 44):

So NZ moaned about JQ copying their initial promo, but now NZ is basically copying JQ! What gives?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 46, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12713 times:
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Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 35):

Totally agree, Beasthem should just get over it and move on. Its them who are bringing back a past which they would rather forget about!

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 45):

Competition  


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12677 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 17):
Will be interesting to see what the flight plan is for NZ39 ( or is it NZ35) on Nov. 1st for the HKG-LHR section.Apparently the 77W might be technical restricted from flying on the Y1 airway across China that the 77E is able to use
Possibly it might look more like a CX 77W flight plan for that sector.

ANZ35 showed up on flightradar24.com just south of between Almaty and Bishkek. At 0628UTC it was heading 295 at 32,000ft and 490kt. At 0634UTC about 20 kms north of Bishkek and about to cross into Kazakhstan. There won't be much coverage in Kazakhstan, but Russia is almost 100% covered from the Kazakhstan border to the rest of Europe.

ANZ35 will probably reappear near Uralsk.

PA515

[Edited 2012-11-01 23:59:17]

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12646 times:

it seems that NZ have got it right with the new 'Hobbit' Safety film

Even Sky News in London picked it up this morning,

''A four-minute-long Air New Zealand safety video celebrating the upcoming premiere of the first film in the Hobbit trilogy has gone viral within 24 hours of being posted on YouTube.

The in-flight video – which features the character Gollum and the film director Sir Peter Jackson - has received more than two million hits.

http://news.sky.com/story/1005945/ai...obbit-safety-film-an-overnight-hit

let's hope that will get bums on seats down under!

(but on 'YouTube' 335 people dislike it!)



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User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12376 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 47):
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 17):
Will be interesting to see what the flight plan is for NZ39 ( or is it NZ35) on Nov. 1st for the HKG-LHR section.Apparently the 77W might be technical restricted from flying on the Y1 airway across China that the 77E is able to use
Possibly it might look more like a CX 77W flight plan for that sector.

ANZ35 showed up on flightradar24.com just south of between Almaty and Bishkek. At 0628UTC it was heading 295 at 32,000ft and 490kt. At 0634UTC about 20 kms north of Bishkek and about to cross into Kazakhstan. There won't be much coverage in Kazakhstan, but Russia is almost 100% covered from the Kazakhstan border to the rest of Europe.

ANZ35 will probably reappear near Uralsk.

PA515

Doesn't look like there were any restrictions on the routing, although there was a notable difference when compared to other B77W routings on the same day.

Filed flightplan for ANZ35 was:
N0500F256 BEKOL/K0927S0780 A461 YIN G586 NODOG/K0926S0840 G586 QP B330 IDSEG/K0916S0920 B330 JTG/K0905S0950 B330 OMBON/K0901S0920 Y1 MAGOD/K0893S0980 Y1 SADAN L888 KCA A468 KAMUD/K0893F320 B357 MNS A355 NT A113 SUBOL/K0887F340 A113 AKB G3 FV R11 OPOKA/N0478F340 M869 LEP M864 KOLJA/N0484F360 M864 GIROR L983 CDA M611 DEGUL UN872 PAM UL980 LOGAN

Enroute alternates were: ZLLL (Lanzhou); ZWWW (Urumqi); UAKK (Karaganda); EPWA (Warsaw).

Track looked like this:

ANZ35 VHHH-EGLL 121102


The two Cathay flights (CPA253/CPA251) and the one BA flight (BAW28) operated with B77Ws all took a more northerly option (here compared with the ANZ35. The BAW28 took a more southerly initial routing upon entering Russian airspace):

B77W Routings VHHH-EGLL 121102


Hopefully its of interest.

Yorden



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 50, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12253 times:
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Interesting difference in flight routes between NZ and CX/BA considering every aircraft was B77Ws. Wonder why NZ decided to fly further south?

User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12195 times:

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 49):
Hopefully its of interest.

Nice. Thanks.

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 49):
Doesn't look like there were any restrictions on the routing, although there was a notable difference when compared to other B77W routings on the same day.
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
Interesting difference in flight routes between NZ and CX/BA considering every aircraft was B77Ws. Wonder why NZ decided to fly further south?

Since I started using flightradar24.com earlier this year ANZ39 (now ANZ35) has always been a southerly routing over Kazakhstan into southern Russia, then to Germany via southern Latvia and down the Baltic or via Belarus and Poland.


PA515


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12266 times:

great maps! Would it not save fuel going further south?


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 53, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12116 times:

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 49):
The two Cathay flights (CPA253/CPA251) and the one BA flight (BAW28) operated with B77Ws all took a more northerly option (here compared with the ANZ35. The BAW28 took a more southerly initial routing upon entering Russian airspace):

Quite interesting, especially as it still transverses a part of Russia.

Regardless if 77W or not, CX have operated that northerly route for a long time. Watching the 744 as well will show that they'll also take that northerly route.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11913 times:

An interesting read ,


''Air NZ wedges passengers into seats''

After Americans and Australians, New Zealanders are the fattest people on the planet, but our national airline has some of the narrowest seats in the world.

A new global survey of 32 airlines by British magazine Business Traveller found Air New Zealand economy seats were among the most cramped in the skies.

The airline tied for 28th place out of 32 airlines with Qatar Airways, which has an economy seat width of between 41.9cm and 45.7cm.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze...ir-NZ-wedges-passengers-into-seats



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User currently onlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3013 posts, RR: 28
Reply 55, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11880 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 54):
After Americans and Australians, New Zealanders are the fattest people on the planet.

I don't know which nostril they plucked their information from, but I just looked at the WHO world BMI statistics (because I was surprised by the statement). There are at least 30 countries (I stopped counting) with higher average BMI than NZL.



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User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days ago) and read 11899 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 53):
Regardless if 77W or not, CX have operated that northerly route for a long time. Watching the 744 as well will show that they'll also take that northerly route.

Pretty much everyone except ANZ takes the northerly route, CX, BA, and VS. The Cathay flights operated with other types (CPA255 - A343; CPA257 - B744) are also filed on the same routing as the B77W operated flights.

Yorden



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 57, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11827 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 54):
After Americans and Australians, New Zealanders are the fattest people on the planet, but our national airline has some of the narrowest seats in the world.

I'd say that the kiwi's who are responsible for making our average weight as hefty as it's become are not the kind of kiwis that can afford to fly long haul so it's not going to be as big a problem as you're making it out to be.


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 57):

I'd say that the kiwi's who are responsible for making our average weight as hefty as it's become are not the kind of kiwis that can afford to fly long haul so it's not going to be as big a problem as you're making it out to be.

Ahhh the classic Kiwi sweeping generalization comment from the white middle class!


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 59, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11649 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 58):

Ahhh the classic Kiwi sweeping generalization comment from the white middle class!

  

In general, we're all getting larger yet Y seats are getting smaller. Is it coming to a point where IATA and governments to either intervene or get some minimum standards based around the reality of humanity?



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 60, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11616 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 58):

Ahhh the classic Kiwi sweeping generalization comment from the white middle class!

It's sadly not a generalisation, statistics say that I'm correct, http://www.socialreport.msd.govt.nz/health/obesity.html

Quote:
Ethnic differences

There are large differences in the prevalence of obesity by ethnicity. Among the population aged 15 years and over in 2006/2007, Pacific peoples (65 percent) and Māori (43 percent) had significantly higher age-standardised obesity rates than the total population in this age group, while Asians (12 percent) had a significantly lower rate. The obesity rate of European/Other was (23 percent). For Māori, there was no significant change from 1997 to 2006/2007 in the prevalence of obesity, adjusted for age, either for men or for women. Between 2002/2003 and 2006/2007, only Asians had a statistically significant increase in obesity.

Among children aged 5–14 years in 2006/2007, the pattern of ethnic differences in the prevalence of obesity was similar to that of the population aged 15 years and over. Pacific children had the highest rate (26 percent), followed by Māori children (13 percent), Asian children (6 percent) and children of European/Other ethnic groups (5 percent).
Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 59):

In general, we're all getting larger yet Y seats are getting smaller. Is it coming to a point where IATA and governments to either intervene or get some minimum standards based around the reality of humanity?

It's not the size of the seats that's the problem, it's the excessive overeating of the passengers that is. If large people want to get comfortable buy two seats or as NZ has now provided the sleeper seat for economy.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5016 posts, RR: 5
Reply 61, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11591 times:

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 49):
Hopefully its of interest.

Are you able to calculate the airways distance for both routes?


User currently offlinenZ99 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11421 times:

MVA is now enroute DPS-DRW. Interesting to see the flight filed with AT75 aircraft type

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKMVA


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 63, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11204 times:

When QF operated the HKG-LHR route with 744 they also usually took the Southerly route over the 'stans


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User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 11121 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 61):
Are you able to calculate the airways distance for both routes?

For ANZ35, the track distance was 5536nm, for the two Cathay flights it was 5455nm, and for the BA flight it was 5476nm.

To show how much of an effect the winds had over the course of the day, the ANZ35 departing at 0025Z had a filed flight time of 11:53, the CPA253 departing at 0705Z was 12:37, the BAW28 departing at 1545Z was 12:48, and the CPA251 departing at 1555Z was 12:43.

Quoting nZ99 (Reply 62):
Interesting to see the flight filed with AT75 aircraft type

I've noticed that the new ICAO type designator of AT76 still isn't really used. Here in Europe the generic designator AT72 is mostly used, and the few times I've filed as AT76, the systems have complained that its an unknown type!!

Yorden

[Edited 2012-11-04 06:56:53]


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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 65, posted (1 year 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 60):

It's not the size of the seats that's the problem, it's the excessive overeating of the passengers that is.

Please don't purport to be an expert on something you're clearly not. And stop using data selectively to support such an insulting argument. I'm a New Zealander of Pacific Island origin (Samoan) and fly long-haul semi-regularly and I am not overweight; I am however a large person at 6' with a solid build - and find economy class seats increasingly difficult over 5-hours.

Now to your scurrilous piece of conjecture on overeating: dietary change in the western world to an addiction to simple carbohydrates, is the single most important piece of evidence supporting the obesity epidemic in the wealthier parts of the globe. Now couple this change with body types that have evolved until very recently to be very efficient with calorie use as with Polynesians, ie take smaller amounts of calories to achieve higher workloads, and you exacerbate this issue hugely. It's mostly the types of food being eaten, rather than the volume, that's causing the problem and unfortunately it's cheaper to drink Coke than milk (trim or otherwise).

I do believe that it's coming to a time where governments and IATA may have to intervene for the health and safety of passengers to ensure a minimum width of seat and minimum legroom.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 66, posted (1 year 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 65):
And stop using data selectively to support such an insulting argument.

Being overweight and being of pacific island or maori decent is a fact, the statistics bear this out. You could also add that the reduced economic state of said group also makes them less likely to fly long haul.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 65):
I'm a New Zealander of Pacific Island origin (Samoan) and fly long-haul semi-regularly and I am not overweight

Good for you, there are always exceptions, according to the stats 35% of Pacific Islanders aren't obese.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 65):
It's mostly the types of food being eaten, rather than the volume, that's causing the problem and unfortunately it's cheaper to drink Coke than milk (trim or otherwise).

Water from the tap is cheaper than coke, what's your point, people make lousy food choices then try blame someone else.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 65):
I do believe that it's coming to a time where governments and IATA may have to intervene for the health and safety of passengers to ensure a minimum width of seat and minimum legroom.

I think the best way of sorting this out is if you don't fit into a standard seat you should buy two seats, it's not the airlines fault that a person is overweight, and as I pointed out NZ now has the economy sleeper seat, this is great for the bigger person.

I wouldn't be surprised if one day an airline starts charging by passenger weight, after all post and freight is charged by weight or volume so why not people; is if fair for a 40kg asian woman to pay the same fare as a 100kg pacific island woman for the same flight?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 67, posted (1 year 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 11017 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 66):
I wouldn't be surprised if one day an airline starts charging by passenger weight, after all post and freight is charged by weight or volume so why not people

Back to the future?

When I first started flying we were often weighed at check-in, especially if it was a flight on a smaller aircraft such as a Dragon Rapide.

 

mariner



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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 10861 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 67):

When I first started flying we were often weighed at check-in, especially if it was a flight on a smaller aircraft such as a Dragon Rapide.

I'm looking forward to that. I'd save a lot of money. In addition it would give the airlines a positive incentive to feed us better meals!


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 10835 times:

ZKMVA on flightradar24.com about to depart DRW.

PA515


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 10606 times:

Something happening with ZKMVA. Descended from 25,000 ft to 23,000ft and soon after circled for about 30 mins 100kms west of Maryborough. Resumed towards BNE at 23,000ft then descended to 13,000ft, but now circling about 30 kms west of Maroochydore.

PA515


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

ZKMVA landed BNE about 11 mins ago.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 72, posted (1 year 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 10515 times:
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Air NZ is dropping the HKG-LHR sector. Interesting that NZ have chosen to align with CX who are part of Oneworld.

Air New Zealand will withdraw services between Hong Kong and London from 4 March 2013 as the airline focuses on returning its international network to profitability.

In a separate move which is part of Air New Zealand’s strategy to implement an alliance based network with a Pacific Rim focus, the airline has also formed a strategic agreement with Cathay Pacific on the Auckland – Hong Kong route.

Rob Fyfe, Chief Executive Officer, says a comprehensive review of the Hong Kong – London service has confirmed the route would not become profitable in the foreseeable future. A reduction of approximately 70 London based cabin crew roles is expected as a result.


http://www.theflyingsocialnetwork.com/archives/5842


NZ1

[Edited 2012-11-05 01:36:27]

[Edited 2012-11-05 01:37:59]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 73, posted (1 year 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 10373 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 72):

And now with that done, they should also exit out of China and codeshare fully through CX/KA for flights to PVG and PEK but also to so many other places around China/SE Asia. Those planes to PVG are still arguably better off serving other ports..

I wonder how NZ will time this flight - would they keep a midnight departure out of AKL so that during the summer, there'll be 3 times throughout the day to fly to HKG at?



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 74, posted (1 year 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 10395 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 72):
Air New Zealand will withdraw services between Hong Kong and London from 4 March 2013 as the airline focuses on returning its international network to profitability.

In a separate move which is part of Air New Zealand’s strategy to implement an alliance based network with a Pacific Rim focus, the airline has also formed a strategic agreement with Cathay Pacific on the Auckland – Hong Kong route.

Rob Fyfe, Chief Executive Officer, says a comprehensive review of the Hong Kong – London service has confirmed the route would not become profitable in the foreseeable future. A reduction of approximately 70 London based cabin crew roles is expected as a result.

Shame.

HKG-LHR was only ever going to be viable if Hong Kong was developed as a mini-hub with feed from Australia as well as New Zealand. The failure of the sector is because failure to feed in was tantamount to slow strangulation.

More to the point, the sector should have been NZ 7/8 SFO-LHR or NZ6 LAX-MAN in the first place. And the shedding of LHR-based staff makes it clear that neither of those routes will now happen.

Cathay Pacific must be feeling pretty smug: they have now lost competition from both Qantas and Air New Zealand on HKG-LHR within the space of just a few months.


User currently onlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3013 posts, RR: 28
Reply 75, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Do LHR crews also work LHR-LAX?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 76, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10349 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 73):
And now with that done, they should also exit out of China and codeshare fully through CX/KA for flights to PVG and PEK but also to so many other places around China/SE Asia. Those planes to PVG are still arguably better off serving other ports..

Well in many ways the tourism and maybe even commercial future of New Zealand is tied to China to some degree.

If anything NZ should look at ways to increase its exposure to China not lessen it. With CX/KA certainly many secondary cities can be connected via HKG, but to proffer the idea to drop out of China completely by NZ itself seems way too short sighted.

Quoting koruman (Reply 74):
Shame.

Why a shame?

Was HKG-LHR not a problematic route for NZ? They seemed to reduce frequencies, along with now for a couple years murmurs that route had issues.

This seems like a sensible move. Still provide a LHR link, and save the aircraft utilization for something else.

As I have long said - and will continue to say, I suspect one day the same will happen with LAX-LHR. NZ can connect to Star partner UA, or maybe future member VS. Again save one aircraft for something else.

I think NZ strength lies in the Pacific basin, not running its own small fleet to the other end of the planet.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 77, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10467 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 76):
I think NZ strength lies in the Pacific basin, not running its own small fleet to the other end of the planet.

Halleluja!

Still, it is interesting to watch the change in economic realities. When I first arrived in NZ in 1965, the UK was called "home", ships from the UK were called "home boats" and anyone going to the UK was "going home."

Times have changed.

mariner



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5016 posts, RR: 5
Reply 78, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10465 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 67):
especially if it was a flight on a smaller aircraft such as a Dragon Rapide.

I am going to date myself, I remember flying from IVC to DUN on one just before Christmas 1954.


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10446 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 75):
Do LHR crews also work LHR-LAX?

Yes they do


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Reply 80, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10497 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 78):
I am going to date myself, I remember flying from IVC to DUN on one just before Christmas 1954.

Cute, efficient aircraft, and quite comfortable for their small size. The only real problem was that the ones on which I flew didn't have a lav and once I got caught short (for a pee) halfway through the flight.

I told my mother (I was ten years old) who told the pilot who handed over an empty bottle he kept on the aircraft for the purpose.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-11-05 12:00:11]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 81, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10480 times:
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An article in todays paper about NZ axing HKG-LHR http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ore-Air-New-Zealand-deals-expected

I remember my LHR-HKG flight in 2008 and looking out the window and then looking at the in-flight map to see which country we were now flying over


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 82, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 65):
Now to your scurrilous piece of conjecture on overeating: dietary change in the western world to an addiction to simple carbohydrates, is the single most important piece of evidence supporting the obesity epidemic in the wealthier parts of the globe.

Actually, I just read a New Yorker article on the matter, and there's now pretty strong evidence that a single bacteria that lives in our gut and has done so for millions of years, and which our use of antibiotics and c-section births has largely wiped out during the second half of the 20th century, is responsible for regulating our appetites and satisfaction after food consumption.

But that's seriously off topic...

Quoting mariner (Reply 67):
When I first started flying we were often weighed at check-in, especially if it was a flight on a smaller aircraft such as a Dragon Rapide.

I don't see why this isn't reintroduced. It seems fair (and efficient) to measure the whole package, so to speak. If every kilo is so precious, you'd think they'd be consistent.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 72):
Air NZ is dropping the HKG-LHR sector. Interesting that NZ have chosen to align with CX who are part of Oneworld.

Of greater concern is what happens to AKL-HKG. Are we seeing yet another monopoly route? Japan, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, mainland US... this is getting depressing.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 73):
And now with that done, they should also exit out of China and codeshare fully through CX/KA for flights to PVG and PEK but also to so many other places around China/SE Asia.

I disagree. As skeptical as I was with the China strategy, I don't think it's plausible to think you can serve it as a foreign carrier via codeshare arrangements and one-stop.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 83, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10413 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 76):
Well in many ways the tourism and maybe even commercial future of New Zealand is tied to China to some degree.

If anything NZ should look at ways to increase its exposure to China not lessen it. With CX/KA certainly many secondary cities can be connected via HKG, but to proffer the idea to drop out of China completely by NZ itself seems way too short sighted.

I don't understand why you persist in making this argument.

As you know, routes from other western countries - even Australia - to China carry significant outbound premium traffic, but the market from NZ to China is VFR and students. And the inbound market from China to New Zealand is even lower-yielding package tourists.

I do not in any way doubt that New Zealand (the nation) benefits from Chinese inbound tourist dollars. But in terms of aviation, we are talking about a LOOOONG-haul route with comedy yields, and Air New Zealand needs the People's Republic of China in 2012 (and in all likelihood also 2022 and 2032) like it needs a hole in the head.

The Chinese long-haul market to New Zealand is in aviation terms analogous to short-haul European package tourism in about 1972, and is several decades of development behind where Fukuoka, Nagoya, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Taipei and Bangkok were when those destinations were terminated by Air New Zealand.

I would be delighted for China Southern and any number of other Chinese carriers to service New Zealand as heavily as they like.

But I am appalled at the idea that HKG-LHR is axed by Air New Zealand while AKL-PVG survives.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 84, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

Its not a matter of persistence, then simply stating reality.

The dynamics of the Pacific rim, and broader world are changing. For Pacific nations we have a growing economic and political power on ascent with China.
Here in the US while many politicians might not want to accept it, the business community has fast learned that China is a key to the future.

Sure you might today view Chinese travelers to NZ as lower yield package tourist, but this process is only beginning.
In the future even larger waves will bring more wealthy individual travelers. We see this in the US and Europe already. The Chinese now have the deepest pockets of all coming to the US. Quite a feat.

As posted in previous discussions the NZ tourism authorities see this already, and are shifting their primary focus to further build such links. In Australia did the government not recently also issue a policy paper that focused on greater engagement with China as its key strategic and economic policy goals?


So the sooner we learn to accept these changes in the neighborhood, and can put the nostalgic past behind us, the sooner we can get in line to engage and do business. Remember China is not going anywhere, but its up to us to earn a piece of the pie.
If Air NZ snoozes, in the long run it will lose.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 85, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10398 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 84):
If Air NZ snoozes, in the long run it will lose.

But then you ask yourself how long they must wait to reap rewards; and if it was actually beneficial to the airline to maintain such a route instead of pursuing other opportunities. It has been around 6 years since the opening of that route. And that was over a period when China's economy was strong.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 86, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10385 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 84):
The dynamics of the Pacific rim, and broader world are changing. For Pacific nations we have a growing economic and political power on ascent with China.

There is a considerable resistance to that concept, though, at least in some airline circles.

There was a huge negative reaction to Qantas pulling out of FRA and dropping a couple of its LHR routes and there was negative "surprise" expressed that Qantas moved outside OneWorld to embrace Emirates.

Air New Zealand has said that HKG isn't profitable, nor expected to be so in the foreseeable future, which seems an extraordinarily sensible reasons to drop a route. More than that, Air NZ's tie-up with Cathay Pacific, seems, to me, eminently sensible and something I have hoped to see.

I cannot imagine what AKL-PVG has to do with those decisions, except, perhaps, as an illustration of the changing times.

mariner

[Edited 2012-11-06 11:51:09]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 87, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 85):
But then you ask yourself how long they must wait to reap rewards; and if it was actually beneficial to the airline to maintain such a route instead of pursuing other opportunities. It has been around 6 years since the opening of that route. And that was over a period when China's economy was strong.

Fair question.

If you look at US airlines many of whom have served China for 20-years, some report say its still a loss making venture as recently as a year or two ago.

But what they do see is growing volumes each year unlike many other markets globally that are stagnant or even declining.

For New Zealand specifically we have seen that travel from the UK is on the decline, while China continues to grow.
I guess to me guess the bigger question is, how long does is NZ willing to hang on in a shrinking market, or does it go ahead and plant a flag in a market where all signs point to continued growth, which hopefully turns out to be profitable as well at the end.


Quoting mariner (Reply 86):
There is a considerable resistance to that concept, though, at least in some airline circles.

   One thing I have found is this industry is very stuck on nostalgia.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 88, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10403 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 84):
The Chinese now have the deepest pockets of all coming to the US. Quite a feat.

No, it's just that in general only the very, very affluent can actually get a Visa to travel to the USA, so you have a situation which is skewed by immigration rules.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 85):
But then you ask yourself how long they must wait to reap rewards; and if it was actually beneficial to the airline to maintain such a route instead of pursuing other opportunities

Precisely.

Six years in, and the flight still has the demographics of a Ryanair two hour flight from a secondary airport in northern England to a beach resort in Spain.

They have already downgauged to ensure that many of the flights lack lie-flat beds and a Premium Economy cabin, because nobody was buying them. Where is this supposed to end?

Shanghai is a large volume market, but the yields reportedly make Air NZ's bean-counters long for the long-axed routes to Nagoya, Fukuoka and Taipei.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 88):
No, it's just that in general only the very, very affluent can actually get a Visa to travel to the USA, so you have a situation which is skewed by immigration rules.

This is no longer than case. I have a few very low income friends who have had their visas issued without any problem. You would find that the US has relaxed the visa requirements quite a bit especially in places like Shanghai and Beijing.

In China, a Chinese citizen can't move to another province permanently freely without applying for residence in that province. You get issued a provincial government issued ID and a household registration book known as Hukou. With a Shanghai issued ID and Hukou, the visa application and interview nowadays seem more like just a formality.

[Edited 2012-11-07 14:54:29]

User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10349 times:

Airline plans tip China growth - NZ Herald

Interesting article, talks about CZ increasing services to NZ. I wonder if CHC would be on their radar.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 91, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10340 times:

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 90):
I wonder if CHC would be on their radar.

It has been on their radar for some time, but the Earthquake has prevented any plans for the time being


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 92, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10328 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 88):
Six years in, and the flight still has the demographics of a Ryanair two hour flight from a secondary airport in northern England to a beach resort in Spain.

Come on you can't make a sweeping statement like that without any proof, unless you're actually working for ANZ you have no knowledge of the demographics of the passengers on that route, or any other for that matter.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10312 times:

that's 2 long haul routes gone PEK, and now HKG-LHR , don't things usually work in 3's? got the feeling that HNL will be next,

So is the Japan market making lots more then? they keep switching back and forth between 772/763's

and as for the Shanghai route - this one is a puzzle,

I've said in the past NZ are going backwards not forwards  Wow!



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9113 posts, RR: 75
Reply 94, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Some news on NZ plans for next year from CAPA today, explains where they redeploying the capacity from the HKG-LHR route.

• Auckland-Honolulu: Capacity increase with upgauge from Boeing 767-300ER to 777-200ER equipment for a three times weekly service from 25-Jun-2013 to 12-Oct-2013. According to Innovata, Hawaiian Airlines also operates on the route;
• Auckland-Los Angeles: Frequency increase from 12 to 14 times weekly from 31-Jul-2013 utilising a 777-200ER/777-300ER mix. From 06-Jul-2013 to 27-Jul-2013 service will increase from 14 to 15 times weekly. According to Innovata, the carrier is the sole operator on the route;
• Auckland-San Francisco: Frequency increase from five times weekly to daily from 31-Mar-2013 utilising a 747-400/777-200ER mix. According to Innovata, the carrier is the sole operator on the route;
• Auckland-Vancouver: Frequency increase from two to three times weekly from 31-Mar-2013 utilising 777-200ER equipment. From 17-Jul-2013 to 25-Aug-2013, frequency increases from three to four times weekly. According to Innovata, the carrier is the sole operator on the route.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 95, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10301 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 93):
got the feeling that HNL will be next,

Because it's just been upgraded to a 772? That defies logic..



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 96, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10335 times:

Honolulu unfortunately might face the axe.

Air NZ's problem has been that on the 767 Hawaiian is matching them - beating them to be precise - for price it is offering better inclusions in Economy and 30% lower fares in Business.

NZ is choosing not to compete for price, but rather to offer better Economy IFE plus Premium Economy plus a Business bed, but at a substantially higher fare.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 97, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10293 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 96):
Air NZ's problem has been that on the 767 Hawaiian is matching them - beating them to be precise - for price it is offering better inclusions in Economy and 30% lower fares in Business.

HA is going to be a 332 now.


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 292 posts, RR: 2
Reply 98, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10292 times:

The Black ATR ZK-MVA scheduled to operate some proving flights on 12th/13th
On the 12th as follows
IVC between 1210 - 1430
DUD between 1500 - 1600
Returning to CHC

On the 13th
NSN between 0945 - 1100
NPL between 1145 - 1300
WLG between 1350 - 1500
Returning to CHC

First scheduled revenue flight is NZ5051/15th Nov CHC-DUD


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 99, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10296 times:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...7/Capital-chasing-air-link-to-Asia

Haha, the return of the talk about WLG direct flights to Asia. At this stage, I still think that maybe CZ via BNE/SYD/MEL is the only (if at all) viable option.



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 100, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10287 times:
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Quoting nascarnut (Reply 98):

Good to see it out flying early. I posted the first few days days flying schedule up at post #42 from 15th Nov.

NZ1


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Anyone know what type of aircraft Prince Charles and Camilla are flying to NZ on? Landing at Whenuapai.

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10366 times:

Flights from WLG to Asia really? The only two that could have a go are China Southern and Dragonair, but CZ are already looking at increasing AKL, does WLG runway allow for a full loaded aircraft to operate a 12 hr flight non-stop? The days that we see WLG on the Hong Kong screens would make me laugh , good luck anyway and no-way Air Asia X!


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 12
Reply 103, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10355 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 102):
oes WLG runway allow for a full loaded aircraft to operate a 12 hr flight non-stop?

Nope, too short. TBH why would a carrier start WLG ahead of CHC? At least at CHC the infrastructure is already there


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5016 posts, RR: 5
Reply 104, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10347 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 102):
does WLG runway allow for a full loaded aircraft to operate a 12 hr flight non-stop?

The press report says direct . It does not say direct non-stop.   


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 105, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-and-for-sia--china-southern-87844

An interesting read..



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10292 times:

Prince Charles and Camilla flew into Whenuapai on a RNZAF 757


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10296 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 98):
The Black ATR ZK-MVA scheduled to operate some proving flights on 12th/13th
On the 12th as follows
IVC between 1210 - 1430
DUD between 1500 - 1600
Returning to CHC

On the 13th
NSN between 0945 - 1100
NPL between 1145 - 1300
WLG between 1350 - 1500
Returning to CHC

We missed her @ IVC yesterday as NZ cancelled all her flights late morning. I see she is about to land @ NSN as NZ5970. Any idea if we might see the aborted schedule for yesterday performed tomorrow?


User currently offlinebonzolab From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10266 times:

Hi not sure if this has been mentioned already but AT7s now do AKL-TRG return on Fridays evenings.

User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 292 posts, RR: 2
Reply 109, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

Quoting deconz (Reply 107):
We missed her @ IVC yesterday as NZ cancelled all her flights late morning. I see she is about to land @ NSN as NZ5970. Any idea if we might see the aborted schedule for yesterday performed tomorrow?

MVA is due back into IVC on the 16th.
Currentky scheduled to operate as follows
NZ5061 CHC-IVC eta 1125
NZ5062 IVC-CHC etd 1145
At the moment that is it for the week. Over the next 6 days it is scheduled to operate revenue services to
15th - DUD/CHC/ROT/WLG
16TH - DUD/CHC/IVC
17TH - WLG/DUD/PMR/AKL
From the 18th pretty much staying in the CHC/DUD/WLG sectors


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10267 times:

Lets get ready for -

''On Saturday 24 November, Air New Zealand’s Hobbit inspired Boeing 777-300 will be revealed to the world!

This spectacular aircraft celebrates the first film in The Hobbit trilogy, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey and will be unveiled at an exclusive event in Auckland.''

''WIN: The Chance to be at The Hobbit Inspired Boeing 777-300 Reveal!''

http://www.theflyingsocialnetwork.com/archives/5956



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 111, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10253 times:
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Frequent flyers get easy NZ visa pass - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...quent-flyers-get-easy-NZ-visa-pass

Immigration New Zealand has stuck a deal with China Southern Airlines to fast-track the visitor visa applications of the airline's gold and silver frequent flyer cardholders.

The deal was outlined in a leaked memo from June which shows the visitors would be able to "avoid the necessity to answer questions relating to financial backing and employment history and provide evidence of these".


I find these types of deals very concerning, just because they have status with an airline, shouldn't give them a route to easy access. They all deserve the same treatment as the once a year flyer


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10259 times:

Eagle Air has suspended Wanaka operations last flight is the end of Jan

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/eagle...r-suspends-flights-wanaka/5/140566



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User currently offlinerwy21 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

Quoting nzrich (Reply 112):
Eagle Air has suspended Wanaka operations last flight is the end of Jan

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/eagle...40566

Was kind of a hard position with Queenstown and Dunedin Airports on either side with considerably higher flight frequency and cheaper fares


User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10252 times:

Quoting rwy21 (Reply 113):
Was kind of a hard position with Queenstown and Dunedin Airports on either side with considerably higher flight frequency and cheaper fares

Hardly either side ... DUD is 252km away by road while ZQN is only 63km. Hell it's only 422km to CHC so I don't see why anyone in Wanaka would seriously consider DUD as a gateway!


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10246 times:

Quoting deconz (Reply 114):
Hardly either side ... DUD is 252km away by road while ZQN is only 63km. Hell it's only 422km to CHC so I don't see why anyone in Wanaka would seriously consider DUD as a gateway!

Even IVC is closer than DUD at 242 km



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User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

Quoting nzrich (Reply 115):
Even IVC is closer than DUD at 242 km

True. But you wouldn't come down here for superior connections (or airfares!!!)


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 117, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10244 times:
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China Southern is sending an A380 to AKL on December 10th due to CZs annual meeting in AKL

China Southern Will Send 380 To AKL! (by justinlee Nov 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)

With CZs new deal with NZL Customs and the meeting, is there an announcement in the planning?


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 118, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

Can anyone confirm what loads are usually like on NZ from MEL and SYD to AKL on Christmas Day?

I've flown several times over the Tasman on Virgin on December 25th and flights have usually been about half full. Is this normal?


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 111):
I find these types of deals very concerning, just because they have status with an airline, shouldn't give them a route to easy access. They all deserve the same treatment as the once a year flyer

Agreed. It seems that the deal was in-part negotiated by SkyCity so that they can bring high value gamblers to their casino more easily. I have concerns about this because, gambling is often used by corrupt PRC government officials and crime syndicates to launder/hide money (see link below). While I like to think that SkyCity wouldn't be purposefully targeting such customers, I don't trust that company an inch.
Additionally, why should China Southern customers get this benefit and other airlines customers not? Hardly seems fair.
http://www.economist.com/node/21541417



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User currently offlinerwy21 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10230 times:

Quoting deconz (Reply 114):
Quoting rwy21 (Reply 113):
Was kind of a hard position with Queenstown and Dunedin Airports on either side with considerably higher flight frequency and cheaper fares

Hardly either side ... DUD is 252km away by road while ZQN is only 63km. Hell it's only 422km to CHC so I don't see why anyone in Wanaka would seriously consider DUD as a gateway!

I guess you havent lived in Wanaka, my family and friends have always considered it an option, while its always nice to fly out of WKA, it was often either ZQN and DUD that you used (or on occasions of a sweet grab a seat deal TIU) the difference between 1 hr /2.5 hrs to ZQN/DUD/TIU and 5 hrs driving to CHC is err, well pretty self explanatory  
Most people I know think nothing of the drive from anywhere in Central to Dunedin, I guess it is the strong links between the two with family/education/healthcare, heck its quite common to find people heading across to Dunedin to go to Pak N Save for groceries

Quoting nzrich (Reply 115):
Even IVC is closer than DUD at 242 km

While exact distance wasnt exactly my point, DUD-WKA is 242 and IVC-WKA is 255 so DUD is closer, the point is still still 2 major domestic airports with considerably more flights, fare price points etc


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10215 times:

Quoting rwy21 (Reply 120):
the point is still still 2 major domestic airports with considerably more flights, fare price points etc

Yes totally agree and when a destination is served only with the Beach there is zero chance of getting a really reasonable fare all the time . I have friends that live in DUD but drive to CHC to get the cheaper fares . When you have a big city it will attract people to drive to get the cheapest fares .



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10210 times:

You said Beach when you meant Beech, but interesting thought - what types can get into the strip at Milford Sound - does it have to be General Aviation Planes or would Beech 1900Ds make it in with sight seers? A short flight compared with five hour bus trip, and much less expensive than the civil engineering projects to do tunnels or cable cars.


Wanaka is disappointing, but one thing you find when you are in the town is that there is a very good shuttle bus service to Queenstown Airport, which picks people up from their door in Wanaka (this service also does one of the runs between Wanaka and Dunedin) so Wanaka residents get all the air fares from ZQN. A single daily Beech cannot compete against that. Wanaka was on the point of thinking about some upgrades and some may still be worthwhile - as a diversion airport for ATRs because there are days when Wanaka is open on days when Queenstown is closed. This means the expense of upgrading the firefighting services as one example, so there are some major issues.

As a thought from left field - an aircraft that has no history in NZ, but has had some operation in Australia - I wonder how the Short 360 might go in this country. Long out of production, but low cost to operate - lower cost than some smaller planes, Unpressurised, so have to put up with South Island weather,


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 123, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10213 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 122):
what types can get into the strip at Milford Sound

Runway is only 792m at MFN. Compared to other BEH ports like WAG/WHK/GIS/MRO which are all 1250m+

GAF Nomads, BN Islanders Gippsland Airvans, Cessna Caravans etc are the types usually found there


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 12
Reply 124, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 122):

I agree seeing the koru into a place like Milford would be cool. But logistically it's not a go. Even if a B1900 could operate out of there (remember that the ATO certificate require a runway to be quite a bit longer than is actually physically required for an aircraft) the payload restriction imposed would make it not worth while. I don't see them extending the runway there any time soon. If NZ bought a small fleet of Caravans though...  


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 125, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10201 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 124):

BA has Twotters.. No harm in NZ getting smaller planes  



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User currently offlineBonzoLab From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10199 times:

As logical as one would think Wanaka cannot be used as an ALT on Queenstown for many reasons, no RFS, no ATC, and the main one being it's non-certificated which would require a CAA exemption for each and every flight. Much easier to divert to IVC and the bus is waiting. Good money for the local bus company! I am disappointed too that they have axed WKA. They could have grown that market had they chosen to. But as a media article pointed out 25,000 seats in and out of ZQN per week compared to 38 seats in and out of Wanaka each day...

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 127, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10271 times:
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It's the same old story I'm afraid. If people don't use the service then it is unfair to complain and be upset if the airline withdraws it. NZ is not a charity and cannot keep flying to a destination because people think it's a good place to go to.

NZ1


User currently offlineaxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

It seems the weather has been a bit entertaining for an NZ 747 in BNE:
http://i.imgur.com/9SLcY.jpg
(original source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comment...irport_is_closed_cross_post_from/)

I hope that the strike is behind the plane and not hitting the tail.



Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 129, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10250 times:
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Sydney getting new NZ Tasman check-in kiosks - http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...n-kiosks-will-save-passengers-time

User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 130, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

An interesting note on this page regarding the new CX flights for Air Points members:

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/co-operation-partners-cathay-pacific

"Gold Elite and Gold Airpoints members booked onto an Air New Zealand flight operated by Cathay Pacific (e.g. NZ4990) are able to take an additional piece of checked-in baggage up to 23kgs if travelling on a fare product that allows bags."

Does it mean they will start doing S2S on AKL-HKG?


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10235 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 130):
Does it mean they will start doing S2S on AKL-HKG?

If that was the case, there would be no reason to book with NZ. Everyone will just book with CX and there is no way CX will be adopting the S2S model.

I think whoever edited the page simply copied and pasted the DJ alliance.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 132, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10237 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 131):
If that was the case, there would be no reason to book with NZ.

I have no idea what the resistance is to S2S here. I love it.

mariner



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User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10244 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 132):
I have no idea what the resistance is to S2S here. I love it.

Because at times it just doesn't make any sense. You will not love it when you buy an expensive flexi fare or a full economy fare and find that your fare doesn't include bags. I like the DJ fare structure better. It's more logical. Only the Saver fares don't come with a bag. And status holders don't pay for bags with any type of fares.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 134, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10251 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 131):

Depends on the fare.. Those who are the real bargain hunters might appreciate S2S to HKG - leave with nothing and then buy up large in HK. May save them a little bit of money. But I still don't see mysefl flying NZ to HKG for the time being.. I'm far happier on my CX benefits!



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 135, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10251 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 133):
Because at times it just doesn't make any sense. You will not love it when you buy an expensive flexi fare or a full economy fare and find that your fare doesn't include bags.

I've never had that trouble with it - or any trouble - and I resist all of Air NZ's offers to bid for an upgrade to Business.

mariner



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10252 times:

I was reading a bit more details on the NZ website regarding the so-called alliance between NZ and CX, if my understanding is correct, it is just a simple code sharing arrangement between the two airlines with no further co-operation. There is also no information about NZ code sharing on CX's HKG-LHR, HKG-PVG and HKG-PEK flights. Passengers with NZ tickets or Koru club members go to the CNAC lounge in HKG, not the CX lounge, NZ still uses KA connections to China as before. Airpoints allow members to earn and redeem points on CX flights only between AKL and HKG, Asia Miles has no mention of Air NZ as a partner at all, neither does the CX website.

Is this so-called alliance just some NZ marketing department idea to cover up the fact that they are the losers on AKL-HKG-LHR and to market their pulling out of HKG-LHR to be something more positive than "we lost the game"?


User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
Air New Zealand is profitable, so I don't know why it can't work.
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 127):
It's the same old story I'm afraid. If people don't use the service then it is unfair to complain and be upset if the airline withdraws it. NZ is not a charity and cannot keep flying to a destination because people think it's a good place to go to

Fully agree, a shame but reality

Quoting mariner (Reply 132):
I have no idea what the resistance is to S2S here. I love it.

You obviously have never had to make an urgent trip to Oz and find fares are $600-$700 or more ONE way with seat only. Unfortunately I am forced to the flying roo in such cases even though it is not my money it is the principle of paying 3 or 4 times the real price . True timing and demand count, I do try to plan as much as I can however.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 138, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10249 times:
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Quoting cchan (Reply 130):

Can't find anything on the HKG-LHR sector? An excellent excuse to try CX next time to HKG


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 139, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10251 times:
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Quoting nz2 (Reply 137):
You obviously have never had to make an urgent trip to Oz and find fares are $600-$700 or more ONE way with seat only.

Not for a while, those days are behind me. But is that a factor of S2S? As long as I've been travelling people have been complaining about last-minute walk-up fares.

mariner



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User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 139):
Not for a while, those days are behind me. But is that a factor of S2S? As long as I've been travelling people have been complaining about last-minute walk-up fares.

But don't airlines make most of their Econony Class money on those last minute expensive fares? Yes people have been complaining about them but by removing checking bags you expect that to get better?

When only those who plan well ahead and only buy the cheapest Seat Only fares are happy you know your model has a problem.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 141, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10253 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 140):
But don't airlines make most of their Econony Class money on those last minute expensive fares?

My experience of this is mostly in the US, but I've always thought that was a bit of an airline legend. It would mean that the airline is relying on an almost guaranteed supply of last minute walk-ups to make money. Well, maybe once upon a time.

But if it was ever true, I think the relentless rise of the LCC's may have changed things. LCC's surely don't rely on the high paying walkup, even the best of 'em. But they don't make money on the junk fares, either.

I'm told that reduced capacity and frequency has also changed booking patterns, at least in the US. The gung-ho cowboy days of the high spending walk-ups have been curtailed somewhat, because, with such high load factors, there's a chances they may not get a seat at any price.

I have no doubt that there are still high profile routes where people will play very high prices, any price, to get on a plane. It happened to me once when my employer absolutely, positively had to get me from a Caribbean island to the studios in Brisbane NOW. Money was no object and I didn't understand why - I didn't do much when I got there. I believe travel budgets by that company have since been reduced quite dramatically since then.

So I wouldn't base a business model on exceptions like that.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 140):
When only those who plan well ahead and only buy the cheapest Seat Only fares are happy you know your model has a problem.

It may be another airline myth that everyone is on the prowl for rock bottom, cheap skate fares all the time. Some are, yes, and they know exactly how to work the system. It isn't rocket science. I could get you from Phoenix to Denver for US$70 - roundtrip - most of the days between now and Christmas (not Thanksgiving). You'd have to pay for a bag.

Most people, within my experience, are more concerned with perceived value for money, as I am.

I'm Works de Luxe to Melbourne on Wednesday and I toyed with bidding for an upgrade to business last week, but when the fancy meter said that $200 was unlikely to cut it, I lost interest. I can afford $200 bucks, or much more, but - why?

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User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 141):
I could get you from Phoenix to Denver for US$70 - roundtrip - most of the days between now and Christmas (not Thanksgiving). You'd have to pay for a bag.

If you are talking about UA then no I would not have to pay for my first 2 bags with any *G status. That's another problem with NZ. There will be market confusions when you use the same brand for a LCC and a full service carrier using the same planes. Virgin Australia understands that better with the Tiger move.


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Reply 143, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10255 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 142):
If you are talking about UA then no I would not have to pay for my first 2 bags with any *G status.

I wasn't talking about United, I can't find that $70 roundtrip fare on United. If you can, you're smarter at this than I am.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 142):
That's another problem with NZ. There will be market confusions when you use the same brand for a LCC and a full service carrier using the same planes.

I don't know why there should be confusion. The airline is doing it now and no one seems confused. Except, perhaps, for a few elites.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 144, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10246 times:
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I'm looking at booking flights to the USA at Christmas and noticed the VA code-share deal also applies to VAs international flights (excluding the Islands). Does anyone know if you earn status points on Virgin Australia's USA flights or is it only airpoints?

Whats the deal with TN in regards to status points?


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10253 times:

Anyone know why nothing was allowed to land at Auckland International until after 0430 this morning. The sky was clear but six aircraft were waiting to land. LAN801 was circling over the Hunua Ranges, a VOZ 738 was circling over Whitford while three more VOZ 738's and QF125 were diverted over the Hauraki Gulf between Waiheke Island and the Coromandel Peninsula.

Thanks.
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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 869 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10275 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 145):
Anyone know why nothing was allowed to land at Auckland International until after 0430 this morning. The sky was clear but six aircraft were waiting to land. LAN801 was circling over the Hunua Ranges, a VOZ 738 was circling over Whitford while three more VOZ 738's and QF125 were diverted over the Hauraki Gulf between Waiheke Island and the Coromandel Peninsula.

One likely reason but since the NOTAM detailing what it was is gone I can only offer an educated guess (someone else will no doubt jump in if it was for another reason this morning).

Work is currently being undertaken on the runway lighting system (specifically centreline lights I believe) which requires men and equipment on the runway. The field would still be available in an emeregency situation but otherwise, if you are on a scheduled service and just happen to arrive a shade early you could expect to hold until the time outlined in the NOTAM.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 147, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

No Status Points on any flight operated by ANY carrier outside the Star Alliance, apart from Virgin Trans-Tasman when booked under an NZ code.

Whereas until eighteen months ago FJ, TN and SB code shares did earn Status Points.


User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 145):
Anyone know why nothing was allowed to land at Auckland International until after 0430 this morning. The sky was clear but six aircraft were waiting to land. LAN801 was circling over the Hunua Ranges, a VOZ 738 was circling over Whitford while three more VOZ 738's and QF125 were diverted over the Hauraki Gulf between Waiheke Island and the Coromandel Peninsula.

Mr Air NZ is quite correct. AIAL preform essential runway manitenance work early on Monday mornings every week. Airport is closed but can reopen if an emergency situation delevops. Closed from after the SQ 282 departure till 0430.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 149, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10285 times:
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Following the slight dilution after the Singapore Airlines buy, Air NZ has restored its stake in Virgin Australia to 19.9%:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/air-nz-...re-airlines-joins-owners-bd-132514

Air NZ keeps Virgin stake at 19.99% as Singapore buys in

Air New Zealand has kept its stake in partner airline Virgin Australia, buying 49.1 million shares to retain ownership at 19.99% after Singapore Airlines joined the shareholder register."


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 150, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10238 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 147):

Sweet, thank you. Looking at trying a different way to the USA for a bit of an adventure. Maybe via China this time?


User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Air New Zealand will offer a second season of non-stop Sunshine Coast services next winter.
"The direct service will operate twice a week on Tuesdays and Sundays from 18 June to 13 October 2013. The 17 week season is being extended next year to include the October school holidays, following the success of the 2012 season."

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/secon...r-nz-and-virgin-australia/5/141039


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 152, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10330 times:
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Air NZ from November 22nd will offer advance seat selection for a fee and pre-paid extra baggage

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/seat-...=email&utm_campaign=20121120_Boson


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 153, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10327 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 138):
Can't find anything on the HKG-LHR sector? An excellent excuse to try CX next time to HKG

Does NZ still put passengers on VS on this sector?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 154, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10325 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 152):
Air NZ from November 22nd will offer advance seat selection for a fee and pre-paid extra baggage

Not to mention Star Golds now being able to pay for a seat only and be entitled to one 23kg bag.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 155, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10349 times:
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For those that can get to AKL this Saturday, don't forget to pop along to the Airport for a look at OKP as it's rolled out of the Hangar. From what I've seen so far, I can tell you it is stunning and will definitely be a great advertisement not only for the movie, but the country and the Airline.

Not worth my job to post any pictures sorry. You'll have to wait for the reveal.

NZ1


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 156, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10324 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 155):
Not worth my job to post any pictures sorry. You'll have to wait for the reveal.

I'm hoping to be at the reveal. It should be good - certainly better than the standard livery.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 157, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10320 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 155):

NZ1, is there any idea if -OKP will land/fly over Wellington during the street party next week?


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 158, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10320 times:
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777ER,

OKP is scheduled to land in WLG to drop off Hobbit cast and crew prior to the movie premiere.

NZ1


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5016 posts, RR: 5
Reply 159, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 156):
I'm hoping to be at the reveal. It should be good - certainly better than the standard livery.

Is this a paint job or is it decals etc.?


User currently onlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3013 posts, RR: 28
Reply 160, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

Dye job and lipstick.   


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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 161, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10266 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 159):

It's decals on the fuselage and paint on the tail

NZ1


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 162, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10261 times:

I guess the livery is going to outdo the LOTR ones..

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave...r-nz-aircraft-gets-hobbit-makeover



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 163, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10224 times:

The Mount Tongariro eruption has led airlines to cancel some flights. Expect some more cancelations until we figure out the speed/direction/quantity of ash and how fine it is.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 164, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10042 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 158):

Any idea yet on the schedule?

Quoting texan (Reply 163):

A TUO-WLG and WLG-TUO sector was cancelled. All TUO, Wanganui, WLG-Whangarei, WLG-PMR, AKL-BHE, GIS, PMR-HLZ and two AM services from New Plymouth in the next 12 hours are cancelled. Basically nearly all 1900D services are affected with a few Q300 services also


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 12
Reply 165, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9941 times:

All flights to and from Taupo, Rotorua and Gisborne are cancelled tomorrow morning at this stage. Afternoon flights yet to be confirmed

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 166, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9761 times:

On the eruption front, yesterday at WLG the check-in team for Jetstar abandoned their posts and decided to tell passengers nothing about delays to flights and what was due to happen. When one passenger decided to call the Jetstar help desk for answers, the offshore call centre had no idea there was a civil emergency/eruption and started to argue with the passenger who was trying to find out when her flight was likely to be rescheduled.



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 167, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

A pilot found the site of a suspected 2004 crash of a Hughes 500 helicopter in which two people died.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7981...age-likely-from-2004-chopper-crash

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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 39
Reply 168, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 166):

JQ must have tried forging a Ring of Power in Mt Doom's sister volcano  



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 169, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9451 times:

Looking forward to see what comes out of the hanger!

'“The hobbit imagery will cover the length of the 73 metre Boeing 777-300ER aircraft' did the LOTR's one cover the whole aircraft - don't think it did?

on this site there is a picture of OKP in the hanger I like the sign that say's 'NO PICTURES'! haha someone will have a try.

http://www.planetalkinglive.com/2012...aphic-ever-applied-to-an-aircraft/



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 170, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9388 times:
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