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BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.  
User currently onlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 988 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8220 times:

Just heard this on the travel agent's news bulletin that BA will no serve MAN - LGW after end of March.

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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8179 times:

It's now been confirmed by BA. Service will end on March 31 next year.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...a-to-drop-gatwick-manchester-route


User currently onlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

One for FlyBE to pick up?

User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Seriously???? I wonder why? The flights ive taken between MAN and LGW have always been full. Plus its an easy connection for me to get to the caribbean, but I guess theres always LHR.


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User currently offlinejoshrice From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8077 times:

Perhaps we should now expect an easyJet announcement for flights to Manchester!

I am surprised by this news. As said above, usually good loads. Another step towards the end of the Gatwick base? Just this morning on Bloomberg there was a note that BA will be reviewing the Gatwick base fleet for future developments. Or something along those lines anyway.


User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8067 times:

This is shocking news. Hopefully BE or EZY will pick up the route.
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.


User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8030 times:

I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off which is sad because the earliest time i could arrive at MAN to spend the day there would be close to 12pm which means i miss the bulk of the morning traffic i would like to photograph.

User currently offlinesimpsondude From UK - Scotland, joined May 2010, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

I am very surprised to hear this. Won't be long before U2 move in and scoop up the route

User currently offlinemadhatter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7620 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 5):
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.

Where has this been announced?


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19246 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

Quoting simpsondude (Reply 7):
Won't be long before U2 move in and scoop up the route

Very, very, very much doubt it.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7374 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 6):
I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off

Re: Flybe SOU-MAN
I doubt Cross Country is having much of an effect when you consider the long and winding route taken by its trains. In general UK domestic aviation is in the doldrums because of the economic downturn and the cost of APD which must be paid for every flight.


User currently onlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7185 times:

Yes, I was booked on the early morning SOU-MAN flight 23 Nov to have a few hours at MAN before heading to my company's conference later on that day but had an email from Flybe saying flight is now at 11.10.  

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7061 times:

It was rumoured in another place that EZY were looking closely at MAN-LGW. As soon as they dumped the MAN nightstopper this route was dead. Flown it many times, always a bargain and seldom busy.
Another LGW route more suited to the B733/B735 to maintain frequency. The B734 is just too big.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7698 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7020 times:

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Where has this been announced?

It is in the Manchester Evening News:

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...s-ditches-manchester-gatwick-route


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Quoting jet72uk (Reply 5):
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.

Where has this been announced?

BA very rarely announce that they are going to make announcement on new routes prior to a official announcement being made.

I had heard that another route announcement was due late this month or early next month.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Sad... They could have at least kept one daily rotation to and from LGW to make it possible for passengers to transfer to their longhaul flights...

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Where has this been announced?

Well, if they cancel 3 daily flights to MAN and without planning to retire one aircraft, they would need to add new routes or increase existing ones...

What are your candidates?

Wish BA could go back to MLA and KEF but I guess this won't happen...



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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Well, if they cancel 3 daily flights to MAN and without planning to retire one aircraft, they would need to add new routes or increase existing ones...

BA have made a number changes to there S13 schedule already. Changes are based on S12 operation. The changes include frequency increases & reductions as well as operational day changes. Full details of what has changed so below.

New Routes

Alicante - Flights will resume after being dropped a few years back. Flights will operate 17 x Weekly until 1st July 2013 when flights will increase to 3 x Daily

Barcelona - Flights return after being dropped a few years ago in February 2013. During the S13 schedule flights will operate 3 x Daily. Flights will depart LGW at 09:50, 15:40 & 21:20 arriving in BCN at 13:00, 18:50 & 00:30. Return flights will depart BCN at 08:10, 13:55 & 19:40 arriving LGW 09:15, 15:00 & 20:45

Routes Dropped

Manchester - As already posted flights will not operate S13. Flights operated up to 3 x Daily S12

Pristina - No flights available for sale W12/13 or S13. Flights operated 2 x Weekly S12

Frequency Decreases

Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

Edinburgh - Flights drop from 28 to 26 x Weekly with 3 rotations instead if four operating on Saturday & Sunday. BA2940/BA2941 rotation non op on those days.

Jersey - Flights will drop from 35 to 34 x Weekly. BA2776/77 rotation will not operate on a Saturday.

Naples - Flights will drop from 3 to 2 x Daily in S13.

Tirana - Flights will drop from 5 to 4 x Weekly.

Frequency Increases

Faro - Flights will operate 8 x Weekly.

Rome FCO - Flights will increase from 10 flights a week in S12 to 2 x Daily S13.

Days of Operation Changes

Salzburg - Flights will operate on Monday, Wednesday, Saturday & Sunday S13. Flight operated Tuesday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday S12

Thessaloniki - S13 flights will operate Monday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Flights operated Monday, Wednesday, Friday & Saturday.

Tunis - S13 flights will operate 5 x weekly with no flights on a Wednesday & Saturday. S12 flight didn't operate on a Tuesday or Thursday


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
BA have made a number changes to there S13 schedule already. Changes are based on S12 operation. The changes include frequency increases & reductions as well as operational day changes. Full details of what has changed so below.

Yes but the new routes to Alicante and Barcelona came to replace the previously operated flights to MRS and BLQ which were transferred to LHR.



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5304 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

I wouldnt be surprised to see this route dropped eventually.

I preferredwhen they had the flight overnight and leave AMS about 7 - now the first LGW flight is around 10am form AMS.

Easyjet have really taken the lead in the LGW-AMS market


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11690 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

I can't see either U2 or BE taking up this route. I certainly couldn't see the latter making it work.

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 6):
I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off

It's still five daily for now, that's hardly bad between two regional points. They are likely to see some benefit on this route from BA dropping LGW-MAN, which is another reason why I think it would be foolish of them to try.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 10):
I doubt Cross Country is having much of an effect when you consider the long and winding route taken by its trains. In general UK domestic aviation is in the doldrums because of the economic downturn and the cost of APD which must be paid for every flight.

The economy and APD are two prime issues, although FlyBe in particular are struggling for their own reasons.


Dan  



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 18):
I wouldnt be surprised to see this route dropped eventually.

It is an oddball, the last of the old style capital / business centre routes. CDG, BRU, FRA, MAD etc all dropped.


User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4350 times:

This is sad news.

I fly this route often and there loads are always very high, sometimes higher than LHR

I think this is bad move from BA


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Were many passengers connecting to long haul flights at LGW, as I imagine that's the only reason to operate such a route? With most of the BA long haul routes from LGW to leisure destinations, I imagine there are plenty of direct/charter flights from MAN anyway for many of them.


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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Let's stop the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this "loss" and turn it into an opportunity for the likes of Virgin and Thomson to launch new services from MAN to the Caribbean and other beach destinations which passengers have previously had to connect through LGW to get to.

Rgds



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
Frequency Decreases

Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

Must we conclude that BA is loosing the LGW battle with EZY, as EZY has announced a Summer 2013 increase of LGW-AMS-LGW to 6x/daily on peak Monday & Fridays:

EZY Summer 2013
LGW-AMS
06.10-08.25
08.10-10.25
10.25-12.40
14.25-16.40
16.25-18.40
19.00-21.15

BA Summer 2013
LGW-AMS
07.20-09.35
09.20-11.35
15.15-17.25

BA used to operate LGW-AMS-LGW 5x/daily in the past. Perhaps the new BA 3x/day LHR-RTM-LHR also has an influence as BA capacity to NL is significantly up in Summer 2013 taking AMS/RTM combined.


25 musang : Several have equated high load factor with profitability whereas the relationship is only approximate. Yield is the critical criterion. An aircraft m
26 vectismanpaul : I believe we need need to keep things in perspective here. Airlines start and drop routes all the time. Most of the low-cost airlines do so more often
27 liverpoola380 : Biggest mistake BA made with its Eurofleet was surrendering the regions and allowing the sale of GT to EZY If only they would have retained focus and
28 817Dreamliiner : I wasnt implying that the route was profitable, only that when I flew the route that it seemed full to me. But its still surprising to me that they a
29 skipness1E : Adjust it to what? The cost base against the new boys was uncompetitive with the consequence BA had to charge beyond what the market was willing to p
30 vectismanpaul : As always Skipness talks a lot of sense. We seem to be perusing the same forums too!! Just wondering if Easyjet or BE would look at this route. I know
31 Post contains images jet72uk : I think altimately someone will step in and do it. It has certaily p'd off a lot of regulars in the catchment area of Surrey, Sussex and Kent.....
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