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What's Left Of UA Operations At JFK?  
User currently onlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 169 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

Most of their operations have been shifted over to EWR since the CO merger, but I still see a few TCONs left in the system to LAX and SFO. Do they have any INTL ops left at JFK or is it all EWR now? Are they trying to phase out UA completely at JFK or are those TCON flights there to stay?

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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

JFK is one of UA's highest yielding stations. The transcons you notice are marketed as "PS" flights, which are served by 3-class aircraft and feature upgraded catering, service, etc.

United also has a lounge at JFK for these passengers.


Non-hub (including international) services from JFK are unlikely from UA.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4383 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8029 times:

I don't think anything was transferred over to EWR in the merger. It was a small, specialized and profitable station with LAX/SFO service (as well as some RJs to IAD), and thats how it remains today.


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Quoting PDX88 (Thread starter):

I believe their last remaining international flight from JFK (JFK-LHR) ended sometime in 2005 or 2006.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2382 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7920 times:

The only routes from JFK are:
LAX: 6x daily B757-200
SFO: 7x daily B757-200
IAD: 4x daily ExpressJet CRJ-200

I just picked a random Monday in November for the frequencies, everything else is at LGA (ORD, CLE, DEN, IAH, IAD) and EWR.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

I saw in one of the OAG threads recently that UA was increasing JFK-LAX to 9x daily soon, as well.

User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7406 times:

I hope UA revives CO's on again, off again, IAH-JFK route.

User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7134 times:

I wonder if UA would consider two more slots at LHR to reinstate JFK-LHR. It would give them an edge with service to LHR from both NYC international airports. Worth a shot?

User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7111 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 7):
I wonder if UA would consider two more slots at LHR to reinstate JFK-LHR. It would give them an edge with service to LHR from both NYC international airports. Worth a shot?

While a lack of LHR-JFK is a big gap in the Star Alliance route network, once daily would not be a competitive schedule against any of the operators (especially the BA/AA JV shuttle service) nor would it offer good connections on UA/Star at either end. The best bet for Star if they want to offer LHR-JFK is to bring VS into the alliance, which is rumoured to be a strong possibility.



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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7055 times:

I was thinking JFK-LHR twice or three times a day might work with sUA aircraft equipped with F, since EWR-LHR does not have F.

I think if UA could gain a little more of a foothold at JFK, UA could be more oriented to serving all of the NYC metro area. At one time UA did serve both JFK and EWR to LHR in the 90's. So did AA.It's not as if UA is an unknown player in the UA. UA should build on its reinvigorated strength in the NYC market after having dwindled there so long up to the merger.


User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

Quoting PDX88 (Thread starter):
Most of their operations have been shifted over to EWR since the CO merger

As a matter of fact none of their operations were shifted at all since the merger...everything that was shifted was done long before the UA/CO merger...everything at JFK is exactly the same as it was at the time of the merger. As to what may happen, we will see...I do agree that the only additions would be hub flying...I don't expect any non hub additions, if they add anything at all...


User currently offlineDelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

There is probably already too much capacity on JFK-LHR. Why would UA throw money away to add it?

User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

JFK>LHR and JFK>NRT : Weren't they both UA at one time?

Interesting points on whether to have them or not. I guess by not having them, they have allowed DL and foreign carriers to get these going. Surely, UA would have enough pull to get 170 people on a 752 JFK>LHR, no? Slots, I realize, are a different story.


User currently offlinehrc773 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 12):
JFK>LHR and JFK>NRT : Weren't they both UA at one time?

While I worked for UA, JFK served NRT, HKG, LHR, EZE, GRU, SJU, CCS. Not long before I started working for them JFK served even more overseas routes.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Quoting Delimit (Reply 11):
There is probably already too much capacity on JFK-LHR. Why would UA throw money away to add it?

I agree, but if they did...

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 12):
Surely, UA would have enough pull to get 170 people on a 752 JFK>LHR, no?

I would expect that in order to compete on JFK-LHR, they would need to offer F class, so that would mean 763 / 764 / 772 / 744.


User currently onlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
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Quoting hrc773 (Reply 13):
JFK served NRT

Yes I remember that. I remember when United flew the 747 (100 or 200, not sure which) to JFK. That was back in the 80s when the 400 did not exist, although already on order by the major airlines including United. Northwest, United and JAL were the three competitors on that route. I'm not sure if United flew the route nonstop, or with a stop in SFO. The 741 could not fly JFK-NRT nonstop (that's why Pan Am bought the SP) but the 742 could.

Speaking of United's operations at JFK, I believe that they also flew JFK-SEA nonstop with 752 equipment 1x daily back in the 90s when they were pretty strong in the NYC market (JFK/LGA/EWR combined).

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User currently offlinepenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 14):

I would expect that in order to compete on JFK-LHR, they would need to offer F class, so that would mean 763 / 764 / 772 / 744.

I always wondered if they could do PS service 757s to LHR and if that would be worth the effort.


User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9594 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5712 times:

UA had already cut JFK-LHR and JFK-NRT before the merger. They went away in the bankruptcy and reorganization years.

Those two routes are prestige routes. UA doesn't run prestige routes anymore. They could operate them, but with 4 airline serving them and AA and DL in a fierce yield killing battle in JFK, there's no money to be made for UA.



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User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 17):
A had already cut JFK-LHR and JFK-NRT before the merger. They went away in the bankruptcy and reorganization years.

They were not cut...they moved them to IAD as well as the GRU flt


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Quoting penguinflies (Reply 16):
I always wondered if they could do PS service 757s to LHR and if that would be worth the effort.

I would imagine the only technical obstacle to that would be whether or not the PS 757s are ETOPS.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5322 times:
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 1):
JFK is one of UA's highest yielding stations

That's because they have so few flights and the flights they have are in cherry picked routes.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 6):
I hope UA revives CO's on again, off again, IAH-JFK route.

No reason for this route to exist.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 9):
I was thinking JFK-LHR twice or three times a day might work with sUA aircraft equipped with F, since EWR-LHR does not have F.

Flying JFK-LHR would completely undermine CO's and now UA's argument that EWR is just as convenient for NY especially Manhattan as is JFK. There is no demand for JFK-LHR F class on UA. People with that high loyalty for UA would use EWR.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 7):
It would give them an edge with service to LHR from both NYC international airports. Worth a shot?

Wouldn't it cost a great deal of money to do anew route like this just because it worth a shot? I don't think airlines
"look at a new route as worth a shot. It is much more involved and complicated than that.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

How about a PS JFK-LHR service? Once or twice daily?


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User currently offlinecruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

With PS service going to flat bed J seats and removing the current F product it would even be less practical to add an LHR flight just because of the F class.


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User currently offlineytib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 22):
How about a PS JFK-LHR service? Once or twice daily?

Not a good use of a slot at LHR


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