Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1321 times:
A mistake was surely the A340-200, which only got 28 orders, IIRC.
In my opinion, it was also wrong to offer the A330 only with 217t MTOW. THis was of course part of the initial product strategy: A330 for medium haul, and A340 for long haul. On the other hand, the newer versions of the A330 - the -200 and the -300 with 230t MTOW - seem to be good selling products.
Another mistake could be the lack of an aicraft, which would fit between the A321 and A332.
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Joni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
Not having a plane between 321 and 332 isn't a "mistake" as such, more of a choice. Airbus doesn't have the money to develop all possible planes, and they made the choice to develop the 318, 345/6 and, of course, 380 instead.
In hindsight, the 342 was probably a project that cost them more than they made from it, so that's one error to start with.
Boeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1247 times:
I figured you would be curious to 767-332's post.
I'm curious: What is it that makes the A321 'not as good an airplane' as the 757?
Seriously Juul, THINK ABOUT IT. Look at performance, sells figures, etc. The 757 may not be a better aircraft in your opinion. But to many airlines, it is.
The A321 is Airbus's 757 competitor, needless to say, the 757 is obviously a better plane for airlines. So, I would say that the A321 is not a mistake, but a failure compared to the 757. The A300/310 were not mistakes, again, more airlines thought the 767 is a better aircraft and they failed to compete with the 767 at a good rate. I think Airbus's biggest mistake is the A380, which has a good chance of killing Airbus itself. Just my 2 cents.
DeanBNE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1225 times:
*LOL for a mistake the A310 sold well.
*the A321 is more comparable with the 739 than the 752
*whilst the A342/343 could have benefited from a greater range and more powerful powerplants, this aircraft was invaluable to AI in gaining experience manufacturing a quad-jet. Interestingly, the 744 sales began its sales slump around the time of the A340 first flew
If any Airbus jetliner was to be a mistake my vote would be for the A340-200 (~27 sales)
Juul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
An airplane being better or not depends not solely on it being heavier, being able to fly further, or any of these things. The A321 is only partly a competitor to the 757, and clearly indeed does not compete with it for the longer segments. And, in my opinion, it was never meant to do that. Note that this kind of range for a narrowbody is mostly needed in the US domestic market. Not surprisingly, this is where the largest numbers of 757s are. The US majors operate over 500 757s, or more than half the worldwide fleet. Most of these (e.g. DL, NW, AA, UA, UPS) chose the 757 years before the A321 entered service. In fact, if you take a close look, you'll see that most of the large 757 customer chose the aircraft beore the A321 showed up.
"Look at performance, sells figures, etc",
Comparing sales figures isn't really fair is this case, as the A321 only entered service over 10 years after the 757...
Since then, sales have been roughly equal, I believe (A321 sales are currently at 407)
Gt1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1188 times:
I would say that Airbus hasn't made "mistakes" that have allowed Boeing to increase market share, so much as they have done alot of things right to increase market share.
Yet, like everyone, they have made some mistakes. I think the biggest current mistake is an A380 with the cockpit on the main deck, which will most likely prevent loading cargo on the freighter version through the nose, as do the 747F, C-5 and the An124.
Other mistakes include, the CFM engine on the A342/A343 , not enough range on the A310 and A300-600, and some control law issues with the fly-by-wire and auto pilot systems.
From my experience, the biggest mistake they made with my company, was support/parts. They won't let you engineer your own repairs, and the parts are expensive and they get them to you when they want to, not when you need them.
But, overall, Airbus is an impressive story with a great product line. They are real competition for Boeing. And I'm a Boeing guy.
SQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1179 times:
The sidestick is a mistake but that is the only one.
Airbus got more orders then Boeing this year.
Their products are economic, and more and more traditional Boeing carriers buy Airbus products. That says all I think
We'll see how the A380 will work.