TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4106 posts, RR: 13 Posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6677 times:
Hi everyone,
Due to hurricane Sandy, I have no power, water, elevator, bad cell phone service.
I still wanted to start this months thread;
Please excuse the short introduction but I will check back when I can.
Continue here with news, rumors, photos on Turkish aviation.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6650 times:
Wishing you and your neighbors a speedy recovery.
Due to Sandy, TK will operate an extra section to JFK on Wednesday - TK5401 using 777 TC-JJG arriving at midnight.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 387 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6609 times:
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Hi everyone,
Due to hurricane Sandy, I have no power, water, elevator, bad cell phone service.
I still wanted to start this months thread;
Please excuse the short introduction but I will check back when I can.
Continue here with news, rumors, photos on Turkish aviation.
TK787
Hats off for your dedication and passion for this thread!
Hope the services are restored quickly and NY/NJ recovers as smoothly as possible! Stay safe!
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6539 times:
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter): Due to hurricane Sandy, I have no power, water, elevator, bad cell phone service.
But you have internet... hahahhaa. Wish you the best.
I think the newest is the 3rd airport issue for Istanbul. It has been decided to build it in the north. Phase 1 will have 100 million pax capacity. In the last phase the airport will have 5-6 runways. Opening in 2016 is a miracle as stated by Northstar80. To me, 2020 seems to be more realistic as there is no infrastructure, no plans and the underground is difficult, but i am not a construction guy. The tenders for electronics, the buildings, architecture, roads etc. itself will take at least (!) one year. Construction will start at earliest (!) 2014. It is also possible that legal problems, which is realistic for project of this size, will further delay the construction/opening.
We need a new name for the airport. There can only be one name for the biggest airport in Turkey, (New) Ataturk Airport. Maybe the 3-letter code can be the same? Was the case for HKG and BKK.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6442 times:
German Fraport AG with Turkish partner IC Yatirim Holding state they wish to take part in bidding for the new airport.
They estimate the cost to be around 10 billion liras ($5.6USD billion) opening in 2016 with initial annual capacity for 60 million passengers.
IC Yatirim Holding was the previous winner to the tender to build the 3rd Bosphorus bridge, along with new airports in Kuthaya, Ordu and Giresun Turkey plus overseas airport project in St. Petersburg Russia.
cmoltay From Turkey, joined Jun 2007, 131 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6401 times:
Are we absolutely sure the 3rd airport is going to be where the newspapers declared based on the words of K.Topbas? I see no official statement or endorsement on the Municipality web site or the DHMÄ° web site. I am having a hard time believing that is the final choice, my observations and thoughts leading to this reasoning are as follows:
- The mentioned area east of Terkos seems to require too much landfill and earth moving work to create a site suitable for an airport. The land would surely be cheaper than the Silivri option, but could earthworks and strengthening required be more costly?
- The already built highway that would also connect the airport to the city is 2x2 and does not seem to be up to standard to carry traffic for a 150million pax airport... I know it can be expanded but it was built only last year, if there is a plan to create a northern borough for Ä°stanbul including an airport, why was the connection not planned ahead? Silivri is already connected by two highways, one of which is in the TEM network. A rail connection also seems to be nearer.
- There is a field of wind turbines very near, south west of the mentioned area, could that be a safety issue?
- Isn't the would be biggest airport of the country a strategic asset that should not be placed on the BlackSea coast, widely open to an attack in case of an unrest involving Turkey and the region?
Yes, and no.
Well I had to walk down from the 10th floor apt, then walk across the Williamsburg Bridge to Brooklyn, to find a cafe so I can get online, charge my phone.... Not super bad, but this is day number 4 without power, water, heat...., I have no idea how many more days of this. Many more people are in worse condition/loss, my heart goes out to them.
It is nice to see some LGA bound traffic though today.
Besides the new airport discussions, I would like to add;
-Congrats to TK on ordering 15 each of 333 and 77W and options. I read both might be 20 each when said and done.
-With the new order of 77W we hear that Comfort class might come to and end.
-Also TK is in midst of ordering up to 200 single aisle aircraft. I bet we hear something within the next 6 months if not sooner.
-How about Pegasus? We might hear something lot sooner than TK. They were talking about 100 frames??
-TK transfering 5 planes to SAW. Which brings the question one more time, when do you guys foresee a TK twin aisle serving TK? JFK-SAW one day?
-Starting this month DL leaves IST till May. Besides many other things what happens to DL personel at Istanbul?
-Last month also there was a big discussion about TK eventually serving Australia.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5879 times:
Here for those that want to see TK in Australia - CEO says they have "less of an appetite" following the EK-QF link up.
Instead it seems TK want to cooperate with a Star airline based in the Far East for such services. (remember that TK-TG already have cooperation covering good joint fares)
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 387 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5633 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 8): -Congrats to TK on ordering 15 each of 333 and 77W and options. I read both might be 20 each when said and done.
This was indeed a great news for October - congrats to TK on following through on the wide body expansion. In my opinion, this was a much better choice for now than going for VLAs ... i'm sure many of you will agree. Can't wait for TK to pick up new destinations in both Americas and bolster its existing long haul services.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 8): With the new order of 77W we hear that Comfort class might come to and end.
This, however, was a bummer
Following many of your posts, sounds like the current Y+ cabin in 77Ws is too big (63 Y+) ... and the demand for J is higher in certain sectors. Hope TK keeps a smaller cabin Y+ and add Js in the front.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Here for those that want to see TK in Australia - CEO says they have "less of an appetite" following the EK-QF link up. Instead it seems TK want to cooperate with a Star airline based in the Far East for such services. (remember that TK-TG already have cooperation covering good joint fares)
This seems to be a cool headed response as well. No need to burn fuel on ULH flights or provide one-stop SYD services. Maybe a future 787 route? (if there is a XLR version somewhere along the line)
cuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 207 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5397 times:
Hi everyone,
Long time I didn't comment here. Flights are keeping me busy.....unfortunately even during winter season this year....
Thanks for starting another thread TK787, hope things get better soon in NY and that Sandy doesn't make VX collapse.
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 3): I think the newest is the 3rd airport issue for Istanbul. It has been decided to build it in the north. Phase 1 will have 100 million pax capacity. In the last phase the airport will have 5-6 runways. Opening in 2016 is a miracle as stated by Northstar80.
Finally it looks like a decision regarding the 3rd airport is about to come to an end. I've also heard that they are considering a 150 million PAX airport in the neighbourhood of Terkos with up to 6 runways when fully operational. The opening by 2016 is not impossible, but from what I heard it would only be one runway and one terminal in use by that time frame, and later on the expansion. I think the Silivri option is completely buried due to high land costs.
Quoting LLA001 (Reply 7): What will happen to current Ataturk Airport once the new airport is open?
Most probably the new airport, IF located near Terkos, will lead to the end of the present Atatürk airport. If the new airport opens up north of Istanbul near the Black Sea as rumoured, the most logical runway direction would be North/South to avoid crosswind take-offs and landings as well as avoiding overflying Istanbul at low altitude for noise abatement. That would lead to a conflict between the two airports keeping separation between departing and arriving aircrafts. I guess runway 05/23 could still be operated for business jets and/or regional operations.
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 3): We need a new name for the airport. There can only be one name for the biggest airport in Turkey, (New) Ataturk Airport. Maybe the 3-letter code can be the same?
ankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 225 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5358 times:
Turkish PM made very important announcements today;
On a recent visit to Berlin Merkel proposed him for a new partnership of LH and TK. It implies that this will be similar to LH-AC and LH-UA Trans-Atlantic partnership and something that may even go futher than that. Good decision by LH who is afraid of a giant TK that is also aiming to capture LH market in North America over the years. Both are under *A so quite logical;
New Airport in Istanbul will be opened in 2016 and with 150 pax capacity and 6 runways as previously disclosed.
Ataturk Airport will be converted into a Conference and Exhibition Centre as well as a shopping centre with a small runway to accomodate VIP's only. Part of exisitng infrastructure will be utilized.
Last but not least, not specifically aviation related but a huge and modern stadium and sports faciity willl be built replacing the dated 19 May stadium and sports facility in Ankara with a direct passage to train station. Ankara Istanbul high speed train services to commence in Q3 2013. The construction of sports facility will start in 2014 and will be completd in 2016. This will also help increase air pax to ESB given the amount of national and international games to be hosted there.
This at least gives a rough overview. I am very curious about the terminal and architectural structure... How many air bridges will it have and so on...
LLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 33 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4847 times:
Do you know if someone is doing the design work? Who is doing the master planning, architecture, engineering of the airport? If they are going to go for bidding soon they must have some design in their hands, wouldn't they?
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4848 times:
Quoting LLA001 (Reply 17): Do you know if someone is doing the design work? Who is doing the master planning, architecture, engineering of the airport? If they are going to go for bidding soon they must have some design in their hands, wouldn't they?
Exactly! This is not so easy, it takes a decade. The land is not secured yet. No contractors, no infrastructure. A single terminal is doable within 3 years if the airport is running already, but from scratch... Planning of this cannot be done in one afternoon.
MeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4843 times:
There is a schedule change for IST - GRU flights, plane arrive at 19.00 to GRU and sits there until next morning 05.00. This change may indicate a time creation for GRU - EZE leg.
IndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4842 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10): Here for those that want to see TK in Australia - CEO says they have "less of an appetite" following the EK-QF link up.
It never made sense in the first place.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10): Instead it seems TK want to cooperate with a Star airline based in the Far East for such services. (remember that TK-TG already have cooperation covering good joint fares)
I have the same questions. Very curious and the fact that the details of satellite terminals and capacity are already out to me suggests someone has designed something (whether it has or hasn't been designed well is another matter entirely), however preliminary it may be.
Quoting LLA001 (Reply 19): There is always the possibility of the project drawn on a napkin by the PM and implented accordingly
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 25, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4932 times:
Quoting ymincrement (Reply 15): I am curious about what will be main target and purpose of this partnership..
Well we are talking about Turkey now. You should know even the most impossible can happen in Turkey.
Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 22): Why the Asian side of the city or the expansion of SAW aren't considered as an option as well?
SAW continues to get its own improvements also.
Another runway is on the way, and the newly inaugurated terminal in 2009 is supposed to reach capacity by 2020, so it will also need further expansion.
Also other infrastructure is seeing growth at SAW, with TK Technic opening both new aircraft and engine repair facilities plus a broader industrial park concept being built around the airport.
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Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 26, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4910 times:
Quoting LLA001 (Reply 19): There is always the possibility of the project drawn on a napkin by the PM and implented accordingly
Without any will of creating a comparison between these to charakters, really not, but this is just too funny: it is known that Hitler drew the defense lines and bunkers in the Normandie himself...
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 25): Well we are talking about Turkey now. You should know even the most impossible can happen in Turkey.
I agree if you meant it in both positive and negative manners of interpretation.
What happens if the new airport does not open in time, but let's say in 2018. Is IST capable of handling so many aircraft and traffic. Within 3-4 years time, traffic in IST will be beyond 60 million, passing MAD and AMS. What happened to the urgently needed parking lots at the former military part. I guess with few efforts parking space for 50 aircraft can be created. Runway capacity seems to be sufficient for moderate growth.
This seemed very interesting to me, when I first read this article earlier today. Well, it's hard to believe that KK has such a capacity to implement all of this task, but as Justin Bieber would say, never say never.
FatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2410 posts, RR: 7 Reply 32, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5024 times:
Quoting ASA (Reply 30): Didn't Sean Connery said that 10+ years before Bieber came to this planet ... ?!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Say_Never_Again
Lol, you're right, but to be honest, Bieber's was the first one that came into my mind! Just to clear things up — I don't like his music.
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 31): The article also mentions Tarhan Tower Airlines, but hasn't the AOC of this airline being revoked few years ago???
When it comes to business, everything is possible in the Balkans.
MeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 33, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5028 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 25): Well we are talking about Turkey now. You should know even the most impossible can happen in Turkey
Yes; everyone learns this on hard way... If you remember avcılar-beylikdüzü metrobüs project they build it 4 times later than planned. At the end we have bigger traffic jam at avcılar The more complicated project is more vulnerable to out of schedule in Turkey because of lack of proper planning. There is palling environmental effect report, no infrasture project and no airport project and they give a deadline for operational airport. This should be a joke.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24907 posts, RR: 60 Reply 34, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5027 times:
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter): Hi everyone,
Due to hurricane Sandy, I have no power, water, elevator, bad cell phone service.
I still wanted to start this months thread;
Thanks for doing the new thread under those circumstances. I trust things are a bit better now?
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 16): This at least gives a rough overview. I am very curious about the terminal and architectural structure... How many air bridges will it have and so on...
Certainly interesting and I too look forward to following this. I would love to see something that reflects the local culture in terms of design whilst being ultra modern.
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 387 posts, RR: 2 Reply 39, posted (6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5039 times:
Holy Cow!!! TK is trying to shoot down six geese in one shot!!!
That's amazing news - if management is really serious. But will require a whole lot of aircrafts ...
As IAH will require the next 77W that becomes available - SFO might take some time. Meanwhile, just throw a 332/333 to start BOS and YUL ... even 3/4 times weekly. Please!!!
ankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 225 posts, RR: 1 Reply 42, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5018 times:
Atlasjet will reinstate 6 daily IST ESB IST flights with Y, Y+ and Business Class from December 1st, 2012 bringing an end to TK's long debated monoploy on the route.
stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 44, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5034 times:
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 42): Atlasjet will reinstate 6 daily IST ESB IST flights with Y, Y+ and Business Class from December 1st, 2012 bringing an end to TK's long debated monoploy on the route.
quite suprising, but very welcomed. remember, I asked a few months ago when TK monopoly on this particular route will come to an end.
btw where did you get this info from? any source?
6 dailies look like one particular aircraft flying back and forth
This tell that TK is starting service to Niamey (Niger) on 15th of dec... No other source found.
Airlineroute.net reports that this flight is indeed starting on Dec 15, with a IST-NIM-OUA-IST routing, 3 times a week. Two more countries. A/C is 739ER like other recent Africa additions. So we will have 4 more African destinations by mid-December (including JRO and MBA).
I think the Y+ is mainly to do with flexible price option rather than inflight service on such a short route. The fact that the route is also very popular for businessmen, flexible price option is a great option for flights between ESB and IST. In other words, without penatlies and additional booking charges you can change your flight(s) based on seat availability without restriction.
AtlasJet servie to ESB will be very popular even if they do not have specially designated Business Class terminal at ESB. TK offers a specially designated facility at ESB domestic for *A members with TK Silver or other *A gold or more level members which is amost like a curbside check in with a special lounge without entering the huge terminal facility. This cuts down your check in to almost 20 minutes before your domestic flight departs. If you have no luggage that can even be reduced to 15 mins or less. For AtlasJet you need to rush through the main terminal that is the downside. However, regardless, it is good to see competetion on this trunk route finally.
TurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1407 posts, RR: 9 Reply 49, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5003 times:
From the TK to SFO, MEX, CCS etc thread...
It seems EZE is finally becoming a reality... I quite like the timing as well... Great for ME adn Asian connections (minus India)
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 82): Good news for TK in the Southern Cone. Turkish applied yesterday for a modification in its HOTRAN ("transportation hours" - direct translation) before the Brazilian ANAC. That kind of application is a step after the green light for slots. The proposed schedule is:
TK15 77W -23-5-7 IST 0920 GRU 1900 2015 EZE 2155
TK16 77W -23-5-7 EZE 2355 GRU 0335+1 0505+1 IST 2125+1
I remember counting the aircraft of TK in its inflight magazine 25 years ago when I was a kid. It was around 25-30 aircraft a very small fleet compared to US and European Airlines back then. Something like 9 727s 9 Dc-9s 3 Dc-10s and new arriving A-310s.
I shouldn't be going nationalistic but when I hear TK has 200 aircraft, I have a small grin on my face
However I will have a huge smile if we ever get a B748.
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 52, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5054 times:
Quoting LLA001 (Reply 50):
I shouldn't be going nationalistic but when I hear TK has 200 aircraft, I have a small grin on my face
However I will have a huge smile if we ever get a B748.
Same with me.
In 2003 we were joking about 777s flying around in TK livery and looking to add 747/A380s, now both become reality!!! Hope the see even better days in the near future
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
"The government is working on a plan to boost capacity at Istanbul’s Ataturk airport by turning an adjoining military site into a terminal, Simsek said, adding that the 98 aircraft bays there aren’t sufficient."
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 55, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5044 times:
The Military area is outlined in yellow.
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From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 387 posts, RR: 2 Reply 58, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5038 times:
Indeed ... that area is HUGE!!! Similar (if not bigger) than the area housing all present terminals ...
A brand new terminal would be the perfect solution with new access from the highway on the south. Also, what about a new parallel runway to the existing 06-24 ... would that be feasible? Or helpful at all?
Meanwhile, [From airlineroute website]
Istanbul – Dhaka Service increases from 4 to 5 weekly
TK712 IST1820 – 0500+1DAC 330 x26
TK713 DAC0620 – 1155IST 330 x37
This route has been developing steadily!!! From a thrice weekly KHI stopover to four weekly to five now! Awesome ... now all I need is TK starting BOS ... and then I can have an easy one-stop itinerary when going home!
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 59, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5025 times:
Getting the air force away from the airport will be quite an achievement.
In reality not much of the airport property is used these days by them. There still are the aircraft ramps and bunkers, however the field is not utilized much.
However adjacent to the airport the Air Force has its academy there, along with residential housing complexes and a command and control facility plus the public air force museum.
In other news I read Turkish Airlines CFO Coskun Kilic voted "CFO of the Year" by some European group. Kudos.
Lastly, I heard Do&Co and THY planned joint luxury hotel venture in Ortakoy is coming along well. Should open in early 2013.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 60, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5040 times:
Quoting ASA (Reply 58): A brand new terminal would be the perfect solution with new access from the highway on the south. Also, what about a new parallel runway to the existing 06-24 ... would that be feasible? Or helpful at all?
Even if delayed, the 3rd airport will be open in a few (4-7) years. So why do you want to invest hundreds of millions in sth that is going to vanish soon? Put there 50 - 100 parking lots and transport the passengers there by bus, that would be my proposal.
Yes, they also added a few pictures of the rear end of the aircraft on their facebook page. It's looking a bit better now although the "200th aircraft" part could still be better
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 387 posts, RR: 2 Reply 63, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5024 times:
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 60): Even if delayed, the 3rd airport will be open in a few (4-7) years. So why do you want to invest hundreds of millions in sth that is going to vanish soon? Put there 50 - 100 parking lots and transport the passengers there by bus, that would be my proposal.
You are right - a new terminal would rather be built in the new airport. A vast parking lot would be more cost effective - though terrible in terms of passenger experience. I remember flying through DXB a number of times before Terminal 3 was completed. I hated the boarding/deplaning procedures by bus ... but given the lag between growth of TK and the construction of the new hub, it is bound to happen ...
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 65, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5026 times:
Quoting JU068 (Reply 64): No, no I didn't mean to extend it but I was mostly asking how urgent (or not) is for Istanbul to have a third runway?
IST does have 3 runways today. A parallel north-south was opened in the last decade.
Option of a 4th runway was proposed by the ministry of transportation, but they themselves said it was not likely a feasible option as it would require the demolition and relocation of over 5,000 residential units. A second, less ambitious plan for a shorter 4th runway also exist to be built on potentially vacated military land.
For pictures of pre-2000 Istanbul basically look at the current domestic terminal - that was the previous international terminal.
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Northstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 157 posts, RR: 0 Reply 66, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5025 times:
Quoting ASA (Reply 63): I remember flying through DXB a number of times before Terminal 3 was completed. I hated the boarding/deplaning procedures by bus
TK at IST is no different now, I cant recall a flight that I didnt have to take the bus either on arrival or departure (except for my recent JFK flight).
Taking the bus to the terminal adds a good 10 minutes to the transfer time and is a pain in the a-- during rainy days.
You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 654 posts, RR: 1 Reply 67, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5022 times:
And here is Jan-Oct 2012 numbers for TK:
ASK: 77518mn up 19.7%
RPK: 60639mn up 28.3%
LF: 78.2 up 5.3pts
Pax: 31971219 up 20.9%
Africa and N. America regions recorded 50% growth. Slowest growing region was domestic with 11.8% RPK growth. Seems like they will complete the year with 38mn passengers and RPK over 70bn.
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3910 posts, RR: 4 Reply 68, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5036 times:
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 16): This at least gives a rough overview. I am very curious about the terminal and architectural structure... How many air bridges will it have and so on...
Quoting LLA001 (Reply 17): This at least gives a rough overview. I am very curious about the terminal and architectural structure... How many air bridges will it have and so on...
Here are a few images of what the NEW airport would look like once it is built... Not the best images but gives you an idea of what's on the cards...
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 69, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5018 times:
Quoting ASA (Reply 63): though terrible in terms of passenger experience
I do not believe that airport experience is
Quoting EK413 (Reply 68): Here are a few images of what the NEW airport would look like once it is built... Not the best images but gives you an idea of what's on the cards...
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 654 posts, RR: 1 Reply 70, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5022 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 68): Here are a few images of what the NEW airport would look like once it is built... Not the best images but gives you an idea of what's on the cards...
That is not the official project but an architect's own vision - and a terrible one at that. The actual project hasn't been drawn yet, only master planning has been carried out. The actual terminal will be expandable, unlike the terminal in that "vision".
Northstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 157 posts, RR: 0 Reply 71, posted (6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5033 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 70): Here are a few images of what the NEW airport would look like once it is built... Not the best images but gives you an idea of what's on the cards...
Planes stopped backwards, thats a really clever design!!
I wonder if the person who drew these ever seen a real terminal.
You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4106 posts, RR: 13 Reply 74, posted (6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5012 times:
Wow guys, I wasn't expecting this;
According to kokpit.aero Pegasus decided to go with 320Neo; 70+30 options.
To be announced in the coming days http://kokpit.aero/pegasus-ucak-siparisini-acikliyor (Turkish Only)
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 76, posted (6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5002 times:
TK CEO Temel Kotil has been elected president of the Association of European Airlines (AEA) in 2013.
Also the sponsorship of Real Madrid and Barcelona is over for THY. Barcelona signed with Qatar Airway and Madrid with Emirates for the 2013-2014 seasons.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 74): Wow guys, I wasn't expecting this;
Our friend Bahadir has been saying this for a couple months now.
Yes delivery timing will be interesting. With over 1,500 orders already I'm not sure how quickly Airbus can delivery. But I don't think Boeing could do much better with its MAX either due to the order backlog.
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thenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1964 posts, RR: 12 Reply 81, posted (6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5031 times:
Quoting JU068 (Reply 56): By the way, we always talk about the need to expand the terminal capacity, how about the runways? How much longer can they accommodate this growth?
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 57): Runway capacity is already reached/maxed out and no possibility to expand, not even 1meter.
JU068 is talking about aircraft movements being maxed out. He wasn't asking if there is room to build another runway.
So to answer his question, since i cant find any official aircraft movement figures for IST, based on my estimates, i think IST currently handles around 200,000 movements, and has the potential to handle 300,000-350,000 movements, all of this with the current runway config. (no 4th runway needed).
If runway capacity was an issue, TK wouldn't be able to expand the way it is at the moment.
Now terminal building capacity, that's a different story. Those buildings must be bursting at the seems right about now.
Lack of proper taxiways is also a factor, more so than lack of a 4th runway, as the lack of proper dual taxiways to feed the terminal buildings will and surely does create bottlenecks and hinders the airports full potential at reaching 350,000 movements a year.
Thenoflyzone
[Edited 2012-11-17 11:58:21]
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
Thank you for that. I was particularly interested in aircraft movement because what is the point of adding more terminal space if the runways can't handle more traffic.
On a side note, one day when the new airport is constructed, what impact the closure of IST will have on SAW? Will SAW be closer to downtown and might more people actually opt to fly into SAW in stead of the newly constructed airport?
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 83, posted (6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5039 times:
According to Hamdi Topçu, the negotiations for Argentine flights took more than one year. The airline will soon be able to fly to EZE. Also during the next summer, Turkish Airlines will open a 'mini hub' at Sabiha Gökçen.
thenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1964 posts, RR: 12 Reply 85, posted (6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4986 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 84): 2011 saw 325000 movements. Probably higher by at least 5-10% this year.
Well....that means IST cant handle much more increase in terms of aircraft movements. With no new airport in sight for at least 4 years, possibly even longer than that, the following statement becomes more of a reality....
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 83): Also during the next summer, Turkish Airlines will open a 'mini hub' at Sabiha Gökçen.
TK will have no choice but to expand into SAW until the new airport is built.
Thenoflyzone
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kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11953 posts, RR: 37 Reply 86, posted (6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4972 times:
Delighted to see that a location has been chosen for the new airport, though I have to agree that the timescale seems extremely ambitious, even if there were no legal objections at all.
Presumably they are going to have a high speed rail link (Maglev?) from the city centre to the new airport, plus a multi-lane highway. Good to see that it's not a massive distance from the city it serves (50kms isn't bad for a modern greenfield airport, especially when you consider the likes of NRT and YMX).
It will only be a problem if the country doesn't invest in public transport links to the airport. Sitting next to Europe, I doubt Turkey is going to take the North American approach.
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 92, posted (6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4945 times:
Quoting tozbek (Reply 89): THY choose GE90 for 777's and also CF6's planned for A333?
This is so weird. First they order 5 A332s with GE engines, then they get 10 A333s with RR, and now more A333s with GE. Where is fleet commonality?? What is that supposed to mean??
Argentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 372 posts, RR: 13 Reply 93, posted (6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4936 times:
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 83): According to Hamdi Topçu, the negotiations for Argentine flights took more than one year. The airline will soon be able to fly to EZE.
Turkish Airlines to Start Buenos Aires Operation from Dec 2012
Update at 0840GMT 19NOV12
Turkish Airlines starting 11DEC12 is extending its 4 weekly Istanbul – Sao Paulo operation to Buenos Aires, on board Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. With the service extension, Sao Paulo – Istanbul sector sees operational schedule changes, which has been reflected in the GDS since July 2012. However, reservation for Sao Paulo – Buenos Aires sector did not appear until Saturday 17NOV12.
bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12 Reply 94, posted (6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4910 times:
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 92): This is so weird. First they order 5 A332s with GE engines, then they get 10 A333s with RR, and now more A333s with GE. Where is fleet commonality?? What is that supposed to mean??
Fleet comnn..whut?
Kilotaydin may be a good source for this info. From what I was told 332Fs are underpowered. That might have to do with this.. Then again, what do i know. I am here to talk smack about Turkish according to some of the members here.
The original A333 order was for deliveries beginning in 2014 (4 in 2014, 6 in 2015, 5 in 2016), but their presentation shows this as 2 in 2013, 3 in 2014, 6 in 2015 and 5 in 2016. No change in 77W deliveries. Apparently they secured some slots for 2013 which is good news for new destinations and capacity expansion.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4106 posts, RR: 13 Reply 103, posted (6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4520 times:
Greetings from rainy Istanbul,
Took TK10 LAX-IST yesterday. Boy, that is some long flight, even in Comfort.
Few notes;
-Beylerbeyi -JJP was the bird took me here, in great shape. Full of pax, even in Comfort not an empty seat.
-As soon as I arrived at the TK counter I was approach by a TK personell, if I wanted to upgrade to Comfort for $300.
Finally, a nice move to sell those seats, but I told her I am already travelling Y+, she pointed me to a Y+ check-in counter.
-Nice ground crew at LAX, no lines at TSA, I loved it.
-Finally, boarding with zone system. TK actually used giant boards with the letter A, C, on them to tell people whose turn it is to board.
-Civil police officers at the gate checking passports. Persian speaking TK employee greeting Iranian pax. (tons of them)
-When finally at my seat, I realize they ask you to point to your overhead luggage one by one. I haven't seen this before.
-Still, no one warned me that the doors closed; so I still had my phone on, seatbelt not buckled. FA's as usual running back and forth, positioning folding carts.
-4 Turkish pilots today. 3 made announcements. Their English level ranged from mediocre, to one of the best I've heard from any Turk ever, both in language skills and comfort/confidence.
-Same with FA's serving, one could not hide her smile, while the other never smiled once. Seriously guys.. I took DL JFK-LAX in Y last week and you should have seen these ladies. One of them emptied the whole overhead bin of blankets and pillows so she can make room for someones bag. One of them came and insisted that the person sitting at the exit row take 2 blankets since it gets very cold during flight. All these little things add up.
-Same 2 FA's served the Comfort section, helped by one of 3 chefs. Food portions are almost 1/2 what they used to be, and mediocre food in taste and presentation. I had to beg for more wine. No service between dinner and breakfast on this 12:45 hrs. flight.
-Actually bathrooms were in good shape during the flight, and super smooth flight all the way to IST>
All and all, I am still very happy to be able to sleep most of the flight. I could not imagine what it might be like in Y.
Please let these jetlag go away, I have to work now!
emrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 914 posts, RR: 8 Reply 105, posted (6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4347 times:
I've just seen a post on facebook but couldn't manage to put it here.
A passenger flying from LAX to IST on a TK flight complaining about the heat of the cabin. TK replied him that the captain and cabin crew were informed and thanked him for using TK inflight-Wi Fi.
After a while, the passenger posted another message telling that a flight attendent explained him the plane is 23 degrees and it is the standart. But they will decrease it to 21 degrees.
Finally the passenger is mentioning that he is very amazed for this nice touch by TK.
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 387 posts, RR: 2 Reply 108, posted (6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4253 times:
Quoting emrecan (Reply 105):
I've just seen a post on facebook but couldn't manage to put it here.
A passenger flying from LAX to IST on a TK flight complaining about the heat of the cabin. TK replied him that the captain and cabin crew were informed and thanked him for using TK inflight-Wi Fi.
After a while, the passenger posted another message telling that a flight attendent explained him the plane is 23 degrees and it is the standart. But they will decrease it to 21 degrees.
Finally the passenger is mentioning that he is very amazed for this nice touch by TK.
Great move by TK
wow - real-time feedback-adjustment-update using infight wifi while at cruising height
... it's amazing how technology is changing our lives ... great job TK!
Already an impressive list... BTW, tried a dummy booking on skyscanner for IST-EZE and BEY-EZE... IST-EZE comes up twice the price of BEY-EZE. A clue to who they are targeting I guess.
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 116, posted (6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 42): Atlasjet will reinstate 6 daily IST ESB IST flights with Y, Y+ and Business Class from December 1st, 2012 bringing an end to TK's long debated monoploy on the route.
According to Airporthaber, Atlasjet's IST-ESB-IST flights have been delayed for unknown period of time...
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
Yakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 117, posted (6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4013 times:
Sunexpress will postpone 3 of 5 aircraft in SAW to AYT (1) and ADB (2).
So they give up SAW operations?!
Anothwr reason can be that the aviation departement offer THY postpone flights to SAW and THY says yes, but other airlines should do it also.
So do SXS make place for THY or is there another reason?
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 118, posted (6 months 22 hours ago) and read 3983 times:
Pegasus has been given the green light by the Serbian authorities to operate four weekly flights between SAW and Belgrade. Tickets are already on sale, €106.
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 654 posts, RR: 1 Reply 120, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3306 times:
The list of planned destinations for TK never shrinks... They've announced Luxor, Aswan (both in Egypt), Colombo (Sri Lanka) and Salzburg (Austria) on their website now.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4106 posts, RR: 13 Reply 121, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3286 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 120): I can't compile a list of all planned destinations now but will try as soon as I have a bit more time.
That would be awesome.
So, total will be 6 destinations in Egypt. I wonder if MS will codeshare in some of these.
Any insights to Colombo? or the other Portuguese destinations??
A Coruna
Abha
Abuja
Al-Qassim
Asmara
Aswan
Atlanta
Boston
Buenos Aires
Caracas
Colombo
Constanta
Douala
Esfahan
Havana
Houston
Kano
Kermanshah
Kharkiv
Kilimanjaro
Krakow
Libreville
Luanda
Luxembourg
Luxor
Malta
Manila
Marseille
Mexico City
Mombasa
Montreal
Niamey
Ouagadougou
Salzburg
San Francisco
Santiago de Compostela
Tallinn
Vilnius
Yaunde
A Coruna
Abha
Abuja
Al-Qassim
Asmara
Aswan
Atlanta
Boston
Buenos Aires
Caracas
Colombo
Constanta
Douala
Esfahan
Havana
Houston
Kano
Kermanshah
Kharkiv
Kilimanjaro
Krakow
Libreville
Luanda
Luxembourg
Luxor
Malta
Manila
Marseille
Mexico City
Mombasa
Montreal
Niamey
Ouagadougou
Salzburg
San Francisco
Santiago de Compostela
Tallinn
Vilnius
Yaunde
in alphabetical order
All I can say is ... HOLY COW !!! Many airlines in the world would dream to have those destinations as their TOTAL route map. lol. and this is only TK's "wish list"
I think we need to categorize these into ... "Soon to start", "In active planning/negotiations", and "Nice to have". Then "That would be awesome "
TurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1407 posts, RR: 9 Reply 126, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 124): Loss of cabin pressure on board TC-JJK 77W enroute PVG-IST this morning. Here's the rest of the story (only in Turkish though):
For those who care about this news, the flight between ESB and IST took a staggering 1hr 20mins wheels up-wheels down Must be one of the longest on the route...
That is 39 destinations... Wow ! It seems their goal is 300 destinations.
Quoting ASA (Reply 125): All I can say is ... HOLY COW !!! Many airlines in the world would dream to have those destinations as their TOTAL route map. lol. and this is only TK's "wish list"
And imagine as soon their new airport opens and they order regional aircraft even smaller cities will become their destinations, e.g. Burgas, Timisoara, Dubrovnik to name just a few.
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 128, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3022 times:
Well as it was reported in the other thread, Turkish Airline will be launching OPO flights while LIS will be double daily. Flights will commence in summer 2014.
As Emrecan noted, Kilimanjaro, Mombasa, Niamey, Ouagadougou, Douala, Yaounde are already starting very soon.. As is Buenos Aires and Houston is formally announced and on sale now. For the rest, I think we might see Colombo or Boston soon, but the other long haul plans will have to wait until 2014. Short hauls are a different story; they might fit those into the schedule much sooner.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 131, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2869 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 129): Incidentally, TK doesn't seem to be planning to let go of the 343s yet according to their latest presentation.
The aircraft are for sale --
Matter of fact there is a current ongoing tender for TC-JDJ
Unfortunately there is almost no market demand for the type at the moment.
Northstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 157 posts, RR: 0 Reply 132, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2785 times:
I am also excited about TK opening up new destinations, however, I hope TK is able to fill them. Popular destinations like LAX, etc. is easier to fill than the 2nd or 3rd largest cities in eastern european or african countries. Can anyone comment on the loadfactor of the flights launched in 2012?
You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
umit From Turkey, joined May 2009, 120 posts, RR: 3 Reply 133, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2740 times:
I flew with 343 Diyarbakir last week to London (J) it looked like pretty well maintained to me . Off course on the way back new 330 /300 was much better
Reliable sources say that TK did very active lobbying to have the AtlasJet plan shelved to operate between IST and ESB. Too bad from competition standpoint but TK is having a very strong say in Turkish CAA and this is not good. All parties should be treated equal, I wonder where this stands against the EU legislatives on competition.
TK is also abusing its dominant role to its favor on other issues as well (i.e. you cannot check in luggage from a domestic to international connection unless it is with TK or *A even if this is booked on single ticket that involves two differnt arlines (i.e. ESB IST on TK onward to IST LHR with BA) TK is makig it operationally favorable for itself and posing an unfair competitionon on this issue too.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 137, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2568 times:
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 136): I wonder where this stands against the EU legislatives on competition.
Does not really matter does it as Turkey is not a member of the EU.
With Turkish state still 49% involved with THY and various ministries still providing oversight its no surprise the CAA would look out for TK as well.
Remember back only a few years ago, slot coordination in Turkey was essentially handled by TK under DHMI name so the entities historically have been very close.
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 136): TK is makig it operationally favorable for itself and posing an unfair competitionon on this issue too.
There is no requirement in the world that says an airline must interline bags. Interline agreements are voluntary, and if TK chooses not transfer a bag to BA, well that is fully at is discretion.
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The tables on pages 14-15 indicate another couple of interesting details:
* TK plans to induct 20 rather than 15 B77Ws, so that means that 5 options will definitely be exercised.
* the 2 leased A332s TC-JNF and TC-JNG will eventually leave the fleet, but not before 2017
* the widebody fleet will as good as double from its current size
* another narrow body order is in the pipeline for 2014 and onwards deliveries, as current plans actually call for the narrow body fleet to slightly drop in size after 2014
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 139, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 138): * another narrow body order is in the pipeline for 2014 and onwards deliveries, as current plans actually call for the narrow body fleet to slightly drop in size after 2014
This order may come even this year. Due to airporthaber TK is planning an order of 100 narrowbodies.
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 140, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2057 times:
Another TK website classic: Go the the Swiss one and you will see advertisment for Switzerland--> Buenos Aires. When you try to search for flights it just doesnot work... Maybe because there is no good connection... It is time TK transfers IT from the basement into a serious department.
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 654 posts, RR: 1 Reply 141, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2049 times:
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 140): Another TK website classic: Go the the Swiss one and you will see advertisment for Switzerland--> Buenos Aires. When you try to search for flights it just doesnot work... Maybe because there is no good connection... It is time TK transfers IT from the basement into a serious department.
I wonder why they can't manage the website like so many other airlines can...
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 143, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1991 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 141): Anyway, interesting news: AC starting flights to IST on June 4th, 2013, subject to gov't approval. 3 times per week, 763ER. Here's a story, which seems credible enough:
Good news, some more competition. And maybe the first step for the canadian authorities to allow more flights.
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 142): Flights to SCQ in Spain are already loaded (3 weekly) for S13... starting May 21.
Loaded to where? Strange they chose Santiago de Compostela and not La Coruna.
IST-SCQ loaded to Amadeus. TK already stated a few months ago that they wanted to start flights to SCQ over LCG.
LCG was supposed to be a tag from BIO (IST-BIO-LCG), because of short runway limitations and probably market demand. SCQ runway has no limitations (there are direct flights to CCS in summer, and Aerolineas used to fly there to EZE) and it is a busier airport (LCG has less than 1M PAX VS 2.5M of SCQ). SCQ is only one hour away by motorway from any other major city in the region (including Inditex's - Zara - HQ in A Coruña area) and it is the major tourist destination in Galicia.
From a demand point of view it is located in the center of the region, so it will likely serve the Center (SCQ), the North (LCG) and the South (VGO). That is the same logic of Ryanair, Easyjet or Aer Lingus flying there instead of LCG/VGO, you serve the whole region from one airport or you just serve 1 area (North or South) from their respective airports. The only connections that work from LCG/VGO are the busy routes to MAD or BCN (and CDG with AF from VGO but there is a Peugeot-Citroen factory in the city... so that certainly explains that flight).
777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5188 posts, RR: 4 Reply 145, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1975 times:
Airblue used Ankara's Etimesgut Airport as a techstop on their first A340 flight return leg from Manchester to Islamabad, not sure if its going to be a regular feature for some flights due to weather or weight issues, did not know Ankara had another airport, who flies there?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 146, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1943 times:
Turkey is a county with an amazing number of fields. Ankara has 4.
LTAB = Ankara Guvercinlik
LTAC = Ankara Esenboga Intl
LTAD = Ankara Etimesgut
LTAE = Ankara Akinci
Use of Etimesgut is a bit odd however as the field is air base. While civil operations are allowed its more general aviation or flight school activity, not commercial airliners.
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TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4106 posts, RR: 13 Reply 147, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 143): And maybe the first step for the canadian authorities to allow more flights.
Exactly,
The article says "pending government approval."
AC can fly 763s to Istanbul from Toronto, and TK can get daily flights to YYZ and maybe YUL with 77Ws.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 148, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
TK CEO says order for 100 narrowbodies could come by the end of the year, or early 2013.
They are looking at the usual Airbus/Boeing models and also the Bombardier C-series. Delivery would be 2015-2017.
Also he reiterated the focus right now is frequency versus capacity on the longhaul network with the 777 deemed "big enough", so TK is backing off from the 748 or A380. Looking to make all its longhaul routes daily and go double daily on some like Chicago and Hong Kong.
And regarding LH-TK tie up, he says they are open to all levels of cooperation but its still in the early stage of talks. Turkish finance minister also said they are examining possibility of a equity investment.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 151, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1663 times:
How times fly, and what history the 737-400s had at THY.
I still remember back in 1989/1990 when lessors like ILFC and Irish GPA were making presentations to TK trying convince it about the model.
The 737-400 turned out to be a great 727 and DC-9 replacement and helped provide THY good foundation to grow its European and domestic network with.
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TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 154, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1581 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 145): Airblue used Ankara's Etimesgut Airport as a techstop on their first A340 flight return leg from Manchester to Islamabad, not sure if its going to be a regular feature for some flights due to weather or weight issues, did not know Ankara had another airport, who flies there?
I don't know if they have stopped in Ankara, but if true than I think PA used ESB and not ANK. For example, on my Turkish Airlines domestic ticket from Izmir to Istanbul, the airport code for Izmir was IZM (the code for the former airport Cumaovasi) and not ADB.
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I guess it could also be a mistake on flightradar as you mentioned elsewhere, the flight path shows the aircraft flying nonstop into Georgian airspace.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22046 posts, RR: 51 Reply 159, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1375 times:
Air Canada - Turkish Airlines sign a reciprocal code share agreement.
Funny how interested the Canadians are now that AC will be offering its own direct service to TK. A few years ago, TK could barely get an appointment at AC!
Quoting TK787 (Reply 153): still I never understood why they kept extending the leases for 734s after many other 738/320 aircraft were avail in the market.
They were extremely cheap in relative terms and helped underpin capacity that aided the rapid growth with new arriving aircraft.
Anyhow the 734 might have been older, but they worked just fine for domestic and nearby services.
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 154): the airport code for Izmir was IZM (the code for the former airport Cumaovasi) and not ADB.
As I recall the the commercial airport at Izmir prior to ADB opening was Cigli
Pretty amazing. Also don't forget TK has a ESB flight also to Tehran.
I wonder how the continued Iranian currency devaluation is effecting things. I heard there were some issue in repatriating money from Iran, along with various ticketing scams with travel agents playing arbitrage games between the street rate and government conversion rate that was hurting airlines.
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The more complicated project is more vulnerable to out of schedule in Turkey because of lack of proper planning. There is palling environmental effect report, no infrasture project and no airport project and they give a deadline for operational airport. This should be a joke.
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