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Why No Sky Club In Denver?  
User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 754 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7607 times:

I just realized DL doesn't have a Sky Club in Denver! Why in the world would they not have a club there? I'm sure with 30 or so flights a day, it could be justified.

They could use AA's old Admirals Club space.

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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7583 times:

That remains a good question and is frequently asked by many members. DL used to have a Crown Room on the upper level in Concourse C adjacent to the former Admirals Club.

The only real reasoning thats ever been mentioned is that the cost to lease the space is too high and/or they do not believe DL has enough members or premium traffic to justify a club.

I agree, I wish there was a SkyClub there too with the frequency that I am through DEN.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7578 times:

I dont think there is enough demand plus united has the Denver based passengers who would demand a lounge and fly constantly anyway i bet.

User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7494 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 2):
I dont think there is enough demand plus united has the Denver based passengers who would demand a lounge and fly constantly anyway i bet.

Not enough demand? With 30 flights a day, there's plenty of medallion members moving through.My bet it's the cost of leasing space, although AA still has their club and if it was too expensive, they'd surely eliminate it.

[Edited 2012-10-31 14:10:35]

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3705 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7390 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 3):
AA still has their club and if it was too expensive, they'd surely eliminate it.

The AA Admirals Club at DEN is shared with BA, who uses it as their DEN lounge as well.

By splitting the club with BA as part of the AA/BA/IB trans-Atlantic JV, AA can justify the expense of a club at DEN. DL would have to rely on domestic traffic alone.



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User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7203 times:

As a platinum medallion on Delta and a regular flyer to LAS I still can't believe DL has no lounge in Vegas!

User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Quoting 757ops (Reply 5):
As a platinum medallion on Delta and a regular flyer to LAS I still can't believe DL has no lounge in Vegas!

I'm sure there are other cities in the same situation as DEN and LAS.


User currently offlineairlinewatcher1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

AA is in bankruptcy and has roughly half the amount of flights as DL in DEN, yet they have an Admirals Club. And it was around before BA come along. DL used to have a Crown Room Club in DEN, but I guess times have changed now. Airlines have to save money where they can, the economy is still sluggish, and DEN tends to be a rather marginal city in DL's network. Maybe Air France will set up shop in DEN someday, and then we could see a Sky Club here. But I don't see that happening anytime soon. I can dream though!

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 3):
Not enough demand? With 30 flights a day, there's plenty of medallion members moving through.My bet it's the cost of leasing space, although AA still has their club and if it was too expensive, they'd surely eliminate it.

Well obviously price pays a factor in Denver if the airport let them have the space for free $1000/month there clearly would be demand there clearly is not enough demand for the amount of flyers especially since Delta had a club and decided to leave.

Also remember the question from Deltas eyes what flyers will Delta loose by not having a club in Denver? United has the demand and the passengers who really need it with long and missed connections and AA can really reduce the costs by sharing the lounge with British Airways. What would Delta gain by having a club for the company? Sure there would be people to use it who are members flying in from SLC/MSP/ATL/CVG/JFK etc etc but which passengers in Denver demand and would pay for the lounge. I The people flying in from the hubs/other club cities are not going to cancel because there is not club there. If Dellta really wanted to go in a city that helped its current club members it would be in LAS right now but the clubs cost would be astronomical times the amount of revenue generated from new members or LAS based flyers so they might not want to have one. High cost and little increased revenue means Delta will loose money overall by clubs in DEN or LAS. It seems like a business that doesn't care for its customers but i think it kind of is about maximizing profits more than please customers which may be a mistake in the long term ?


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6912 times:

Delta could use one in CLT they have about 38 flights or so. Please correct me if I'm wrong

User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 6):
I'm sure there are other cities in the same situation as DEN and LAS.

Yes. I'm thinking about PHX as well...


User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

Quoting airlinewatcher1 (Reply 7):
AA is in bankruptcy and has roughly half the amount of flights as DL in DEN, yet they have an Admirals Club.

I interpret that as being a really good reason that DL doesn't have a lounge there - the inference being that if you put clubs in every airport then maybe your costs are going to be too high? Note that I have no idea of how many flights, types of pax, etc., are required to justify a lounge, but I would have thought 30 flights would be enough! But, it's hard to argue bankruptcy as being proof that your costs were higher than your revenues, and usually companies don't make that mistake in just one area.
I still haven't found a *A lounge in MIA either (it's been a year or so). Sort of makes sense since no one member has many flights, but in total theree has to be a lot of *Gold people transiting.



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User currently offlinediverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6561 times:

The (at that time) Crown Room Club in Denver was closed in the great CRC Massacre of early 2008. Eight CRCs were closed. Many paid members (including myself) were furious.

Delta also converted its Business lounges at JFK and ATL into regular CRCs. One would think that would hurt them in the competition for premium passenger revenue.

Delta To Close 9 Airport Crown Room Lounges (by LAXintl Mar 19 2008 in Civil Aviation)

David


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

DL doesn't (really) offer any connections out of DEN. So there is, in my view, no real need for a lounge.
Most eligible pax don't show up hours early.
I know that it's nice to chill at the lounge, especially since the waiting area is relatively small, but it is what it is.
Free WiFi is something that a lot of people, including myself, would value more than a lounge, where you have to pay for WiFi or have to have some sort of WiFi plan.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3705 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 13):
Free WiFi is something that a lot of people, including myself, would value more than a lounge, where you have to pay for WiFi or have to have some sort of WiFi plan.

DEN offers free Wi-Fi, and was one of the first major hub airports to do so.



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 14):

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 13):
Free WiFi is something that a lot of people, including myself, would value more than a lounge, where you have to pay for WiFi or have to have some sort of WiFi plan.

DEN offers free Wi-Fi, and was one of the first major hub airports to do so.

They do not offer that service anymore. It's Boingo now.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Quoting airlinewatcher1 (Reply 7):
AA is in bankruptcy and has roughly half the amount of flights as DL in DEN, yet they have an Admirals Club.

I was told by an Admirals Club employee (so I do not know if this is fact) that AA contracts the clubs out. As a result, the "cost" to AA may be factored differently than for DL.

Quoting goldorak (Reply 10):
Yes. I'm thinking about PHX as well...

At one point, I thought SC members could use the US club there. BA offers a club......and has one flight a day.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 12):

The (at that time) Crown Room Club in Denver was closed in the great CRC Massacre of early 2008. Eight CRCs were closed. Many paid members (including myself) were furious.

Ditto.

I would think that if DL opened a club they could pull in AS pax, DL pax, and if they allowed PP to be used at that one location + AX card holders then they could make the money work in their favor.

But, then again, possibly not since PP can access United Club and AX requires you to be on that airline that day (as I understand the rules).

Dave



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1586 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5824 times:
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Quoting 757ops (Reply 5):
As a platinum medallion on Delta and a regular flyer to LAS I still can't believe DL has no lounge in Vegas!

I can, it is full of leisure traffic, not business traffic.


User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Interesting that Denver can't sustain a club, but PHL, Jacksonville, IND, MKE all have clubs.

Also thought it was interesting that Sky Club members also have access to the Admirals Club in Bogota, US Airways Club in PIT and United's Red Carpet club in San Salvador.

Probably makes sense to combine clubs where they can to spread out the expenses.


User currently offlinemichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 18):
Also thought it was interesting that Sky Club members also have access to the Admirals Club in Bogota, US Airways Club in PIT and United's Red Carpet club in San Salvador.

Sky Club members do not have access to these clubs. Only Skyteam Elite Plus and Business class pax who are flying a same day non-stop international itin on a Skyteam airline out of these airports have access to these clubs. You need to re-read the club locations page more carefully.

[Edited 2012-11-02 10:33:55]

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 18):
United's Red Carpet club in San Salvador.

UA does not have a club in SAL...UA flyers have access to TACAs lounge.



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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 18):
Interesting that Denver can't sustain a club, but PHL, Jacksonville, IND, MKE all have clubs.

Also thought it was interesting that Sky Club members also have access to the Admirals Club in Bogota, US Airways Club in PIT and United's Red Carpet club in San Salvador.

Probably makes sense to combine clubs where they can to spread out the expenses.

A couple things: PHL has the flight to CDG, so that probably helps (as does the size of the city).

Bogota: you must be in J or STE+. This is also a change. It used to be you'd get the TACA lounge.

Jacksonville: DL owns Florida.

IND, MKE: all are holdovers from NW I believe.

MKE has a large number of SC and medallions left over from NW days. Also, it pulls lots of northern Chicago suburbs. While MKE as a spoke/focus city has shrunk, it maintains a pretty good number of flights.

That said, it is also the only club in the airport (not that best care club is gone).

I think MKE is pretty secure, as it is always busy.

Dave



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User currently onlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 15):
They do not offer that service anymore. It's Boingo now.

It's still free, just offered through Boingo. I used it this past Wednesday.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 16):
Quoting goldorak (Reply 10):
Yes. I'm thinking about PHX as well...

At one point, I thought SC members could use the US club there. BA offers a club......and has one flight a day.

The former crown room is still there, sitting empty. If AS moves over by DL then it might reopen but I doubt it.
That would make no sense for sky team members flying out of terminal three going over terminal four to use the US club.



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 22):
It's still free, just offered through Boingo. I used it this past Wednesday.

I must have been too dumb to figure it out a few weeks ago then. lol

That being said, I will still stick to my initial statement.
Free WiFi > lounge access w/o free WiFi (esp. for international travel).



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
25 FWAERJ : The IND Sky Club was planned as a WorldClub in the NW IND focus city days when the new terminal was under construction, and was originally supposed t
26 usflyguy : As far as DEN goes, I think WN took over the old admirals club and maybe even the space cross the way for the new flight attendant and pilot crew base
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : I really liked the old DEN Admirals Club, it was nice for a smaller club. I think part of it was that it has nice view of the AA gates and out toward
28 Post contains images deltaffindfw : On a side note, the PHX CRC was known for having the best spicy bloody mary's in the system
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