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Aeroflot And Jet Airways Join Ten-across Club  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9131 times:

Something that looks to be happening a lot more on the 77W's theses day's with the top airlines;

Two more operators of long-haul B777-300ER aircraft have adopted denser ten-across layouts in their economy cabins.

It means that Russia’s Aeroflot and India’s Jet Airways are following in the footsteps of carriers like Air France, Air New Zealand, American Airlines (aircraft not yet delivered), Emirates, Etihad, KLM and Brazil’s TAM.

All these airlines seat their B777-300ER economy class passengers ten across 3-4-3 compared with a number of other airlines who have remained with a more pleasing nine across 3-3-3 layout.

read the full story here;

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...d-jet-airways-join-ten-across-club


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
Something that looks to be happening a lot more on the 77W's theses day's with the top airlines;

3-4-3 Y class seating on the B777-300ER is definitely more commonplace. But not all airlines show signs of embracing it. There are two airlines mentioned in the article, BA and TG, who are staying with 3-3-3 for the time being. And of course Japan's JL + ANA retain 3-3-3 for their international routes.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3033 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8621 times:

It will be interesting to see if Air Canaga makes this move as they start to receive new 777-300ER's...

I love their 3-3-3 config and must have some of the widest economy seats in the sky. I think their width is 18.5 inches and that really does make a noticeable difference.

Some airlines like BA do not necessarily have wider seats, than the competition as I think theirs are only 17-17.5 inches. But obviously this is then reflected in aisle width.

Shame to see airlines going this way, but while fuel is at a record high and airlines can fill these additional seats. It obviously makes financial sense.


User currently offlineAviaco From Germany, joined May 2012, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days ago) and read 8290 times:

I travelled on a United B777 in a 2-5-2 configuration in the nineties from FRA to ORD.
Does this version still exist?


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days ago) and read 8184 times:

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 3):
I travelled on a United B777 in a 2-5-2 configuration in the nineties from FRA to ORD.
Does this version still exist?

According to seatguru.com the current UA B777 international configuration is 3-3-3.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5983 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8117 times:

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 3):
I travelled on a United B777 in a 2-5-2 configuration in the nineties from FRA to ORD.
Does this version still exist?

There are a few still left in the fleet but they are all being reconfigured to 3-3-3 when they retrofit the flat seats in F/J.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19805 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 3):

I travelled on a United B777 in a 2-5-2 configuration in the nineties from FRA to ORD.
Does this version still exist?

It has fallen out of favor. 2-5-2 means that different seat sets must be used for window sets and center sets. 3-3-3 means that the same seat set can be used throughout the aircraft.

From what I hear, the difference in seat width with 3-3-3 vs 3-4-3 is minimal. It's the aisles that suffer.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7928 times:
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Shock, horror. You may as well title the thred 'carriers seek to maximise profit'.

In Y, ticket price rules. Ger used to it. It's a no-brainer.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7817 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Quoting Aviaco (Reply 3):

I travelled on a United B777 in a 2-5-2 configuration in the nineties from FRA to ORD.
Does this version still exist?

It has fallen out of favor. 2-5-2 means that different seat sets must be used for window sets and center sets. 3-3-3 means that the same seat set can be used throughout the aircraft.

A small number of 777 operators also had 3-4-2 configurations. Not sure if any still operate. Egyptair's now-retired 772s were 3-4-2.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Quoting Aviaco (Reply 3):

I travelled on a United B777 in a 2-5-2 configuration in the nineties from FRA to ORD.
Does this version still exist?

It has fallen out of favor. 2-5-2 means that different seat sets must be used for window sets and center sets. 3-3-3 means that the same seat set can be used throughout the aircraft.

I believe MH, CA and SV 772ERs are 2-5-2.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
From what I hear, the difference in seat width with 3-3-3 vs 3-4-3 is minimal. It's the aisles that suffer.

Armrests and the gap between seat cushions are also narrower. Makes a big difference. Putting 10 people in the space of 9 can't help but be less desirable. Also means less overhead bin space per passenger, longer lines for lavatories and just generally less-civilized conditions.

Fortunately, by far the majority of 777 operators are still 9-abreast including UA, DL, AC, AM, BA, AZ, TK, LY, CX, KE, MH, SQ, TG, CA, AI, PK, OZ, BR, ET, KQ, MS, VA, VN, JL, NH (except JL/NH shorthaul high-density domestic 777s). KL 772s (but not 77Ws) are also 9-abreast. Probably missed a few. There are plenty of options to avoid cramped 10-abreast 777s.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7797 times:

When will we see the A380 with 11-abreast Y? Is EK the most likely candidate?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7795 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 9):
When will we see the A380 with 11-abreast Y? Is EK the most likely candidate?

I don't believe it's an option, and as far as I know there's no need for it as a high-density A380 can operate at its maximum certified seating capacity with 10-abreast seating (on the lower deck).


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 2):
Shame to see airlines going this way,

I'm sure they'd be more than happy to sell you a seat in premium economy or business class.

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 3):
Does this version still exist?

They're going away.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
It has fallen out of favor. 2-5-2 means that different seat sets must be used for window sets and center sets. 3-3-3 means that the same seat set can be used throughout the aircraft.

Perhaps more importantly, the AVOD boxes can handle a section of three seats.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
I don't believe it's an option, and as far as I know there's no need for it as a high-density A380 can operate at its maximum certified seating capacity with 10-abreast seating (on the lower deck).

Depending on the doors they may be able to simple up the limit. I'm too lazy to look up the door formula at the moment.



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User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
It means that Russia’s Aeroflot and India’s Jet Airways are following in the footsteps of carriers like Air France, Air New Zealand, American Airlines (aircraft not yet delivered), Emirates, Etihad, KLM and Brazil’s TAM.

Don't forget DT (TAAG Angola) 777s have 10-abreast


User currently offlineDocGATTACA From Singapore, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7494 times:

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 3):
I travelled on a United B777 in a 2-5-2 configuration in the nineties from FRA to ORD.
Does this version still exist?

There's at least one UA 777 still in this configuration since I flew on it from NRT to SIN just a few weeks ago (late September). I was quite surprised. I hadn't been on one of these for at least a couple of years.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

I would gladly accept 10 accrossed if it meant more legroom. I know it rarely does. I think most people would take that trade off too when the person in front of you reclines on a long distance flight the leg room and the squeeze of a sit reclined i think are the worst for most people

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
I would gladly accept 10 accrossed if it meant more legroom.

Depends on how much the seat is shrinking by. International pitch is generally bearable for me, more would be nice of course, but not if I'm going to have to have my shoulders pressed up against the shoulders of others for the duration of the flight.

-Mir



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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

I would take 10 abreast if it meant legroom, hands down, no question, would trade 10Y for 33-34" pitch any day of the week.

User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6555 times:

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 3):

AA's 777s are still 2-5-2 (the 772ERs anyway). Too bad they bit for 3-4-3 in the 77Ws. God only knows how the average sized American is going to fit in one of those.


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

This debate needs to stop soon. Theres a post about it every other week.

I have flown 10 Abreast many, many, many times and it really isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. Yes 9 abreast is more comfortable, but airlines wouldn't implement it if it didn't work.

Why should an airline opt for 9 abreast, when they can so easily have an extra 40± seats on their aircraft?

3-4-3 on a 777 is not that bad!


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13161 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6268 times:
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I'm not surprised. Anyone who wants 3-3-3 should consider buying Y+. People want more for free... But airlines are a business.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I love their 3-3-3 config and must have some of the widest economy seats in the sky. I think their width is 18.5 inches and that really does make a noticeable difference.

Will you pay for it? In particular in a world where the 787 drops the cost per flight enough to force the 77W to make that extra bit of money?

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 7):
You may as well title the thred 'carriers seek to maximise profit'.

In Y, ticket price rules.

   It is all internet search engines. Price transparency forces airlines to sell what the market wants.

Y is dirt cheap
Y+ isn't a very big market for most who will pay for more room opt for a higher class
J is becoming the money earner. In particular high density J classes (e.g., US domestic and EK).
F has become a market for the few airlines that do it well. Otherwise, customers charter a large business jet.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
I'm sure they'd be more than happy to sell you a seat in premium economy or business class.

  

Most who want comfort desire the seat that allows sleeping...

Quoting cipango (Reply 18):
3-4-3 on a 777 is not that bad!

Which is why it will become the norm for all but a few airlines that can garner higher RASM in Y.

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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
Which is why it will become the norm for all but a few airlines that can garner higher RASM in Y.

Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me if the likes of SQ joined in on it too!


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 18):
3-4-3 on a 777 is not that bad!

Perhaps you didn't have two large people seated next to you.
Yes, its tolerable but for me only on less than two hour flights. I am thin too. Besides the chances of having one or two large people seated next to you in Japan is pretty small.
Anyways for those airlines that do have ten-abreast in Y on 777s. Forget you guys. Fortunately there are still plenty of much more comfortable options when travelling.


User currently offlinegauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Well according to the article atleast one or two aircraft should have been fit with the new seats as of last night all the 5 777_300 er aircraft were unchanged and wry much 9 accross

Infact they are very well appreciated in the industry for their comfortable economy seats and cabin with generous legroom so crazy that they are thinking to change it

On the other hand business is business and probably someone on management put their foot down ;they fly business or first anyway
Not a wise decision but let's see when it happens as so far it's not
They are all still very much 9 abreast.

Cheers


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

AI should follow 9W and do the same with their 77Ws if they have any interest in increasing revenues, especially since the following statement is very much true for AI.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
In particular in a world where the 787 drops the cost per flight enough to force the 77W to make that extra bit of money?



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

The most pleasant would be a 2-5-2 layout by far. It is the stupid AVOD that made airlines to opt for the 3-3-3 and it is cheaper to manufacture a same set of seats, instead of two different. Everything is getting somehow same and standardized, and the same seats can even be fitted in other (narrow body) aircraft i guess, while they would have been useless if 2 or 5 abreast. Shame indeed, even stupid i would say.

I don't know how can one defend the 3-4-3 layout as if at meal time it doesn't become limit-unbearable in a 3-3-3 777 already, so probably you haven't experienced it.

[Edited 2012-11-02 04:59:44]

User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 21):
Perhaps you didn't have two large people seated next to you.

Thats uncomfortable, no matter the airline/seating configuration.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

If 10Y becomes standard on the 777, then the comfort of the A380 will be significantly greater, and a real differentiator, 10Y on the A380 gives similar seat width to 9Y on the 777.

The narrow aisles on the 10Y 777 are very noticeable, I'm waiting for the first American passenger to get stuck in the aisles on the 10Y AA 77W 



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

If the extra space needed for the 10th seat more or less only comes from the aisle space, we are talking about narrowing each aisle by something like 20cm / 8-9in. That is quite a lot given how rather narrow aisles are in general. So how wide are the aisles with 10 abreast seating and how does it compare to the aisles on a 9 abreast A330/340?

User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

One of the reasons of flying 9W for me was their 9 abreast seating. LHR - BOM was always the 77W but BRU - BOM was a 332. Now they have upgauged BRU - BOM to a 77W as well.   

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
I'm sure they'd be more than happy to sell you a seat in premium economy or business class.

I don't mind paying more for Y+ but then how many airlines offer it?

Quoting cipango (Reply 18):
I have flown 10 Abreast many, many, many times and it really isn't as bad as people are making it out to be

And I have flown 10 abreast many times too and I can tell the difference between a 9 abreast AC experience versus any other 10 abreast.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 29, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 24):
The most pleasant would be a 2-5-2 layout by far.

Not for the passenger in the middle seat in the 5-abreast section. I much prefer 3-3-3. Means a higher probability of an empty seat next to you when the flight isn't full.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 26):
I'm waiting for the first American passenger to get stuck in the aisles on the 10Y AA 77W

And some flight attendants.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Now with 10Y we shall see more elbow bumping of aisle passengers by trolleys   


If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13161 posts, RR: 100
Reply 31, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3341 times:
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Quoting cipango (Reply 20):
It wouldn't surprise me if the likes of SQ joined in on it too!

With what I've been reading about in the drop in demand of commodities... I wouldn't be surprised myself. SQ has done very well thanks to the money flowing out of commodities (e.g., mining in Australia).

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 23):
AI should follow 9W and do the same with their 77Ws if they have any interest in increasing revenues, especially since the following statement is very much true for AI.

Agreed. In particular as AI isn't serving high yield markets.

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 30):

Now with 10Y we shall see more elbow bumping of aisle passengers by trolleys

Those that don't like it can upgrade to J. Or Y+.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 26):
The narrow aisles on the 10Y 777 are very noticeable, I'm waiting for the first American passenger to get stuck in the aisles on the 10Y AA 77W

It will first be one of their flight attendants.  
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 26):
If 10Y becomes standard on the 777, then the comfort of the A380 will be significantly greater, and a real differentiator, 10Y on the A380 gives similar seat width to 9Y on the 777.

Until Airbus increases A380 production, this is a non-issue.     

Note: I'm an A380 fan. But there simply are not enough out there to impact most 777 route economics.

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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3026 times:
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I think most B787s and A350xwb will be 3-3-3 seating in Y and thus it becomes more natural for the B777 to have 3-4-3 as it is perceived to be a bigger aircraft. SQ and Cathay et al will probably introduce 10-abreast in Y on their regional B777s within a few years.

I think most B744s have had 3-4-3 in Y all their flying lives and everyone accepted that. Had they offered 3-3-3 the first 10 years and then added one more, people would have complained then too.

"Everyone" wants the cheapest airfare but also wants great comfort and free meals - that doesn't work for the airlines.



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 33, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

3-4-3 is fine with me, in fact I wish they come up with a 3-5-3 if it brings down prices. This is all I care about, and this is all YOU should care about, as we're talking about economy class here. If you can't handle it, fly Y+ or business. But most posters on this thread make it sound like it is their right to have a less dense cabin. You have the right to fly with the competition, and you have the right to stop the whining.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Fortunately, by far the majority of 777 operators are still 9-abreast including AZ

Alitalia has had 3-4-3 for a long time

Soren   



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 34, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 33):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Fortunately, by far the majority of 777 operators are still 9-abreast including AZ

Alitalia has had 3-4-3 for a long time

Seatguru, Seatmaestro, Seatplans and Seatexpert sites all show 3-3-3 for AZ 772ERs.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ali...italia_Airlines_Boeing_777-200.php
http://www.seatmaestro.com/airplanes...ia-airlines-boeing-777-200-er.html
http://www.seatplans.com/airlines/Alitalia/seatplans/B777-200ER-2
http://seatexpert.com/seatmap/46/Alitalia_Boeing_777-200/

I did find a reference that mentioned AZ using both 9- and 10-abreast configurations but if that's correct none of the seat map sites show the 10-abreast layout.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 35, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 32):
I think most B744s have had 3-4-3 in Y all their flying lives and everyone accepted that. Had they offered 3-3-3 the first 10 years and then added one more, people would have complained then too.

I started flying on 747s when they were 3-4-2 in the early 1970s. By the mid to late-70s most early 747 operators were changing to 3-4-3. I can't recall many complaints when that change was made, but that's because 3-4-3 on a 747 is quite acceptable. The 7 or 8 inches of additional 747 cabin width compared to the 777 makes a noticable difference, especially in the aisle width. I've flown on dozens of 3-4-3 747s quite happily but will go out of my way to avoid 10-abreast 777s after one experience on an AF 77W. I usually look for 767s as the 2-3-2 Y class configuration can't be beat on any other widebody. 2-4-2 on the A330/340 is also much better than 3-4-3 on 777s.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 36, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):
I did find a reference that mentioned AZ using both 9- and 10-abreast configurations but if that's correct none of the seat map sites show the 10-abreast layout.

I flew on I-DISO a couple of days ago and it had 3-4-3, and the interior looked so old and worn out that I assume it is at least 5-8 years old. The last couple of rows were 3-3-3 where the fuselage starts to curve.

Soren   



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User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5003 posts, RR: 43
Reply 37, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 34):
I did find a reference that mentioned AZ using both 9- and 10-abreast configurations but if that's correct none of the seat map sites show the 10-abreast layout.

Alitalia does show 10 abreast as the only B777 Economy product on their website. The seat map websites you quoted are notoriously inaccurate. I have contacted several to correct inaccuracies on AC seat charts only to be ignored.



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User currently offlinegauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 28):

You can still fly 9W without banging your head 

No 9w aircraft have become 10 abreast Y and neither are any aircraft scheduled to be fitted anytime soon, trust me on this one.

Am glad the 9w 777 s along with their A332 s are one of the most comfortable Y products out there at the moment and are still going strong.

Here's hoping they stay that way

Cheers

Dr Gaurav Pai


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Quoting gauravpai (Reply 38):
Am glad the 9w 777 s along with their A332 s are one of the most comfortable Y products out there at the moment and are still going strong.

totally agree... Their 332 Y seats are the reason why I always choose them to fly to Europe, even if that means connecting via BRU to elsewhere.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2625 posts, RR: 5
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I love their 3-3-3 config and must have some of the widest economy seats in the sky. I think their width is 18.5 inches and that really does make a noticeable difference.

Will you pay for it? In particular in a world where the 787 drops the cost per flight enough to force the 77W to make that extra bit of money?



Actually, in case of AC you may not be required to pay for nine across. AC allegedly carries a lot of belly cargo, so the weight of the extra seats and passengers and cargo volume taken up by their luggage may not be really desirable. OTOH, it looks like AC is joining the 9 across 787 club.

Quoting golfradio (Reply 28):
I don't mind paying more for Y+ but then how many airlines offer it?



Question is how much do they charge for Y+. I'm ready to pay 50% more, but 50% more of what? Cheapest Y ticket? That would be great. 50% on top of flexible economy? Can't afford it and only an idiot woul do that, since for that kind of money you can usually get F.
I have 2 examples of Y+ pricing to Europe; a 2 week trip to the old country in July 2013. I tried TK YYZ - IST - BUD and LO YYZ - WAW - KRK (both airports are OK for me). TK gave me 2 price options; just under $ 2000 (IST - BUD in Y) or just under $ 2500 (IST - BUD in J). Not bad, especially the first option. There some extra costs though - one has to pay for Turkish visa and spend one night in Istanbul on the way back. Very nice.

LO, on the other hand, is asking $3300 for the Y+ tickets. Now, that's a bit too much. I don't see too many people paying for this, especially on a carrier who was charging $ 2500 for J during the last summer.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Which alliance has the most 3-4-3 777s ? Which one has the least ?

Off the top of my head I can count (excluding the domestic Japanese configs) :

Skyteam (4) :
AF
KL
SU
CZ

Star (2) :
9W (lump it for the sake of "pending invitation")
NZ

Oneworld (2) :
AA
JJ assume they'll defect from Star to OW)

Unaligned (2) :
EK
EY


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