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Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?  
User currently offlinepilotschnitzel From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

Hi all.

Checked before but nothing showed in the forum, if there is please delete.

I noticed that the only 747 domestic service (QF581/582) in AUS (that I know, if not please correct me) is ending on the 18th Nov. A quick check and it shows that a 763ER will replace it on the 19th.

My question is, does anyone know if Qantas will put the 74 on any other domestic legs in AUS or is this for the foreseeable future?

Thanks in advance!

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8607 times:

Qantas offers a daily 747-400 from Brisbane to Sydney which is the continuation of the Dallas-Brisbane service. While this is not a completely 'domestic' service per se (i.e. not departing from and arriving at Domestic terminals and needing to pass through immigration etc.), it will be the only standalone, bookable intra-Australia 747 service upon cessation of services on SYD-PER.

I think it's unlikely QF will place 747s on dedicated domestic services in the future, but that's not to say they mightn't use them during peak times and during disrupts, however I think it's more likely you'll see an increase of A330 services!

[Edited 2012-11-02 02:00:42]

User currently offlinepilotschnitzel From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
this is not a completely 'domestic' service per se

Yeah I guess for personal reasons I want it to be completely domestic.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
needing to pass through immigration

I guess thats something I would be prepared to do for a dom 74 flight.

Thanks for that QF175, very helpful.


User currently offlineSandgroper From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8549 times:

Sad to see the end of a great few years with the 747 flights we have enjoyed to MEL and SYD from PER.

The Perth Airport Spotters Blog has some great info on recent 747 activity while it lasts:

http://aegwaspotters.blogspot.com.au...ty-of-canberra-in-perth-today.html

http://aegwaspotters.blogspot.com.au...8-vh-ojd-qf581582-syd-per-syd.html

I guess with competition from Virgins A330 product the IFE is a bit sad on the old 747's.



Sandgroper
User currently offlinepilotschnitzel From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8499 times:

Quoting Sandgroper (Reply 3):
I guess with competition from Virgins A330 product the IFE is a bit sad on the old 747's.

Probably why they are replacing it with the 76 as they get revamped. I can only remember being on one 747 flight which was SYD-PER in I think 2003 or 04. I hope I can experience it again before the 18th!


User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Strange, not too long ago QF had the big push in offering the 744 on SYD-PER to compete with DJ. Very strange that they are going to "downgrade" to a 767 with no IFE (ok I suppose Ipads)

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

This might be due to the arrival of another domestic A332 later this month. It, and the refurb of the 767s, will ease pressure on 'premium' aircraft for the transcons.

Quoting joffie (Reply 5):
ok I suppose Ipads

The iPads are far superior to the IFE on VA's 2 ex-EK aircraft, and pretty much on par with the RED system in the newer aircraft.


User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

Typical....I'm planning my 2013 trip and was diliberately planning my route so as fly on 581 or 582 with a 747. Bugger! That's a shame as I was looking forward to that, especially now we don't get the QF 744s in LHR now either.

I'm curious to know, what the loads were like. I presume they must have been fairly good otherwise why do it, and I suppose there's the cargo side to consider too with connections in/out of SYD.

I will have to settle with a A332 instead, the only QF type I've not had the pleasure of yet,


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 7834 times:
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I wonder if it'll be back on again in the new year ...

QF can't seem to make up their minds on whether or not to send the 747-400s on the domestic run from SYD-PER. It's been on again and off again several times now. Nevertheless, it'd be a shame to see them go, but I guess the older product on the 744 that they use on the SYD-PER services doesn't measure up to the product on DJ's brand new A332s (I've been on DJ's new A332 and the on board experience is superb). It would've been nice to see a revamped 744 do the route with the new international long haul products ...

I guess the 744 SYD-PER route is a victim not only of rising fuel costs but also of increased competition from DJ.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6334 times:

I know it's not a 5th Freedom Route, but UA still flies SYD-MEL-SYD, correct?

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlinepilotschnitzel From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 9):

Yes that's true unless they've changed it recently.

Just to clarify if some of you dont know the Saturday 581/582 run was already a non 747 service, I can't acces the qantas website right now but i think it was already a 763.

I hope they put her back on the route next year.


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 8):
I guess the older product on the 744 that they use on the SYD-PER services doesn't measure up to the product on DJ's brand new A332s

The hard product is directly comparable (virtually the same) in both cabins.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 8):
Nevertheless, it'd be a shame to see them go, but I guess the older product on the 744 that they use on the SYD-PER services doesn't measure up to the product on DJ's brand new A332s

If this was the case then they would be ending all the A333 and international A332 services as well. This move has far more to do with the fact that they want to retire old aircraft and that a 744 simply isn't an economical way to fly this route. People also forget that 40% of VA's fleet are rather outdated ex-EK aircraft, which are worse than any QF aircraft flying this route, which means that QF really isn't at a competitive disadvantage in terms of product...

Quoting pilotschnitzel (Reply 10):
Just to clarify if some of you dont know the Saturday 581/582 run was already a non 747 service, I can't acces the qantas website right now but i think it was already a 763.

Correct. It's always been a 767 on Saturdays.


User currently offlinealitaliadc10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

747 to PER seems to be suspended from 19Nov - it should return late Jan 2013.

28/29 Dec is 747



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User currently offlinetim From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

No need to jump the gun. It returns in January. Demand for business travellers is down due to summer Christmas holiday season.

User currently offlinepilotschnitzel From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting tim (Reply 14):
No need to jump the gun. It returns in January. Demand for business travellers is down due to summer Christmas holiday season.

If you are referring to my start post I wanted to know if there was going to be another one. As pointed out here

Quoting alitaliadc10 (Reply 13):
it should return late Jan 20


there will be so it's all good now.


User currently offlinepusserchef From Australia, joined Apr 2010, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 12):
If this was the case then they would be ending all the A333 and international A332 services as well. This move has far more to do with the fact that they want to retire old aircraft and that a 744 simply isn't an economical way to fly this route. People also forget that 40% of VA's fleet are rather outdated ex-EK aircraft, which are worse than any QF aircraft flying this route, which means that QF really isn't at a competitive disadvantage in terms of product...

how can you say that? only 2 A332's are ex Emirates VH-XFA & XFB, the other 3 are new build and delivered this year. All remaining aircraft i.e the B737&8s and EJets, were also delivered as new a/c.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Quoting pusserchef (Reply 16):
how can you say that? only 2 A332's are ex Emirates VH-XFA & XFB, the other 3 are new build and delivered this year. All remaining aircraft i.e the B737&8s and EJets, were also delivered as new a/c.

The point I was responding to was talking about VA's A332 fleet, and 2 from a fleet of 5 means that 40% of the fleet came from EK. Apologies, I should have made that clear.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 9):
I know it's not a 5th Freedom Route, but UA still flies SYD-MEL-SYD, correct?

Yes it does gets in around 8 in the morning, then leaves and heads back to SYD around 11.20 I think some pone correct me if I am wrong. But I am not sure if that becomes the flight to San Francisco or Los Angeles as there are 2 UA flights in at a time at SYD.


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