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Pan Am A300 Routes?  
User currently offlinejackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 668 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

What sort of routes did PA operate their A300s on?

For those who flew on them, what were they like? I understand that towards the end of Pan Am's days the 747s were very, very tired in the cabin - were the A300s the same?

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User currently offlinehugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

The only Pan am flight I was ever on was with Clipper Detroit, an A300, LAX-SFO in the mid-80s.

User currently offlinefraapproach From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8822 times:

The A 300s and A 310s flew plenty of routes out of FRA; don´t know the exact ones but I would assume

FRA-TXL
FRA-JFK / IAD
FRA-LHR
FRA-DEL/BOM


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8788 times:
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PA A300 operations were centered in Miami since the planes were not used for Atlantic flights, they were used in the Caribean and north Latin America. JFK and Miami Barbados were A300 routes. Miami to LGA and JFK. Miami to caracas was A300. MIA to MEX & LAX.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9755 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8716 times:

I am not so sue on FRA/JFK and IAD, but, besides the IGS (FRA was a centre besides MIA, jfk777) they used the A310/300 on other European flights as well.

Quoting jackbr (Thread starter):
understand that towards the end of Pan Am's days the 747s were very, very tired in the cabin - were the A300s the same?

yes, anmd the Terminals, the jetways in the US could use some paint as well. Same with TWA in the final years BTW.



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8652 times:

Quoting hugo (Reply 1):
The only Pan am flight I was ever on was with Clipper Detroit, an A300, LAX-SFO in the mid-80s.


I flew this flight, not sure which year, but I believe it originated or came in from Guatemala City to LAX then SFO. Odd trivia, is that I remember which song was playing on the p.a. as we deplaned. That song by Julio Iglesias and Diana Ross, which could clue as to which year it was... Nice interior I remember, not sure of the colors, as the last 747 (non sp) flight I took with PA the seats were the blue and red ones.


User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

Quoting fraapproach (Reply 2):
The A 300s and A 310s flew plenty of routes out of FRA; don´t know the exact ones but I would assume

FRA-TXL
FRA-JFK / IAD
FRA-LHR
FRA-DEL/BOM

I remember about 1987/88 there was a daily A310 from LHR-DTW, PA55 I think it was (that just popped out of my memory), but I don't remember if it originated in Germany or not. We used to get loads of 727s from FRA/TXL to connect through on. I think even for a brief period the Detroit flight was operated with the Tristar, courtesy of the equipment swap with United.

Anyway back to the A300s....I think they mainly flew from MIA/NYC down to San Juan/Mexico City(?)/Venezuela and basically on the Caribbean routes. I don't recall ever seeing a Pan Am A300 at LHR, A310s yes but not the A300s.


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8569 times:
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I flew MCO-MIA on one in 1988, a regular run at the time. The aircraft Clipper Guatemala was in excellent shape, and although not used for anything else on that short flight the safety video was played on the bulkhead projection screens.

With one exception, all Pan Am's A300s were delivered direct from Airbus in 1984/85, so even at the close of operations they were still very young aircraft. In stark contrast to some of the 747 fleet.

On the same trip I flew 2 747-100s and a 737-200. The 737 still had full Air Florida interior, right down to the pastel coloured seats and side linings and logo on the wall coverings in the toilet. One of the 747s had it's original interior and was literally falling apart, lockers held together with speed-tape and the movie broke in the first 5 minutes of the film... the other newly refurbished with big-bin overhead lockers and actually quite nice.

If only they'd been more consistent as an airline.

From the 1987 timetable, A300 routes were as follows;

BOS-JFK-BGI-JFK-BOS
LAX-MIA-LAX
LAX-SFO-LAX
MIA-JFK-JFK
MIA-LAX-MIA
MIA-MEX-MIA
MIA-SFO-MIA
MIA-STX-STT-STX-MIA
JFK-CCS-POS-CCS-JFK
JFK-MEX-JFK
JFK-STT-STX-JFK
JFK-SXM-JFK
JFK-MIA-JFK
SFO-LAX-GUA-SAL-GUA-LAX-SFO

I don't have it with me at the moment, but I'm sure by the following year as well as MIA-MCO-MIA they were also doing MIA-TPA-MIA, both as tags to onward Caribbean service from Miami. No Germany based A300s in 1987, but there had been previously and looking at later photos there were later as well... In 1987 only A310s shown. They obviously swapped round as needed.

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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8486 times:

In December 1990 I flew on PanAm from SFO to GUA. The SFO-LAX leg was on a 727 that continued onto MIA. The LAX-GUA leg was on an A300 that continued onto SAL and then onto MIA.

User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

Quoting fraapproach (Reply 2):

The A 300s and A 310s flew plenty of routes out of FRA; don´t know the exact ones but I would assume

If I remember correctly in the end the flights within Germany and Europe were flown only by ATR 42, A310s and 727. Don´t remember seeing any A300s in TXL in 1988-89.



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User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8227 times:

Found the safety video


On here you can see the very different cabin interiors compared to the rest of the fleet. Particularly different is the galaxy theme divider on the aft of the cabin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zj-oUm7vc


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8144 times:

Wow, I forgot about the smoking on airplanes. What ever possessed people to be allowed to smoke in a tiny little environment as an airplane? How times have changed.


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9755 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8087 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 11):
How times have changed.

Thankfully yes, although I belonged to those who waited for the "no smoking" light to switch off. In these people smoked in elevators and thought nothing about it.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5164 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8078 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
Thankfully yes, although I belonged to those who waited for the "no smoking" light to switch off. In these people smoked in elevators and thought nothing about it.

I remember when no-smoking cabins first appeared in aircraft, and a lot of people thought it was only a fad, and smokers will demand that they smoke everywhere in an airplane!

Did you also notice the pneumatic headset jacks in the armrest?



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8007 times:

I remember PA A300's in SNN during the 80's. This was before the A310 operation.

Quoting columba (Reply 9):
If I remember correctly in the end the flights within Germany and Europe were flown only by ATR 42, A310s and 727. Don´t remember seeing any A300s in TXL in 1988-89.

What about this then:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pan-A...d=764ecf78846435bdc64e37511ba54a8f


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 14):

I remember PA A300's in SNN during the 80's. This was before the A310 operation.

Quoting columba (Reply 9):
If I remember correctly in the end the flights within Germany and Europe were flown only by ATR 42, A310s and 727. Don´t remember seeing any A300s in TXL in 1988-89.

What about this then:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pan-A...d=764ecf78846435bdc64e37511ba54a8f

I stand corrected....thought the A300s already had been gone by then. Thanks for finding the picture.


On a side note I read once that the 737-200s were operated from Berlin and also had Berlin inspired names like "Clipper Schoeneberg" etc.....don´t remember seeing any 737s in TXL



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User currently offlinefraapproach From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 10):

Wow, thanks for posting the safety video. I think its great. Very focused on the essential message. Though its almost 25 years old it could still be shown today. Some of todays safety videos are more of an informercial and could be a lot shorter...


User currently offlinevc10dc10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7872 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 13):

I remember when no-smoking cabins first appeared in aircraft, and a lot of people thought it was only a fad, and smokers will demand that they smoke everywhere in an airplane!

Wow, the good old days, LOL.


User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7833 times:

This may help:

From 1985:

http://www.departedflights.com/PA102785p96.html

From 1987:

http://www.departedflights.com/PA020187p73.html


User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7810 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 11):
Wow, I forgot about the smoking on airplanes. What ever possessed people to be allowed to smoke in a tiny little environment as an airplane? How times have changed.

..and you could booking "smoking or non-smoking" ......as if it mattered, it was like the cinemas that made smokers sit on the left and non smokers on the right. When I first started work, the smoke in the office was like a smog at times. I must have smoked 60 a day and never paid for any of them!


User currently offlineAviaco From Germany, joined May 2012, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

I just remember the A310 from FRA to JFK. But we ran out of fuel and had to refuel at Bangor. Lots of missed connections then.

User currently offlineflflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

Flew on a 310 from TXL to FRA in 1990 right after Iraq invaded Kuwait.

User currently offlinePanAm1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6804 times:

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 10):
On here you can see the very different cabin interiors compared to the rest of the fleet. Particularly different is the galaxy theme divider on the aft of the cabin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zj-...Um7vc

I swear I can hear the engines starting as I watch the safety video.  


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1448 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

I could have sworn I just watched an episode of Dallas!


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User currently offlineturk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 10):
Found the safety video


On here you can see the very different cabin interiors compared to the rest of the fleet. Particularly different is the galaxy theme divider on the aft of the cabin.

What a memory-provoker! I worked witrh a handling agency in BGI in 1986 that served PA and I remember those A300s well with the blue and pink interiors... We had the daily BOS-FK-BGI-JFK-BOS PA219/220 with the Airbus and sometimes an A300 substituted the 727 on the daily MIA flight, but I don not think the A300 was ever scheduled for MIA.


25 Viscount724 : Yes, when based in Europe they all had German names, like the 727s and propeller types that operated the routes to/from Berlin earlier. Names were ch
26 PanHAM : ] The IGS was an airline in itself. The clipper names you list is just a short list. I remember one - believe it was a 727-200 named "Clipper Langer L
27 columba : So true, would love to see a Pan Am aircraft on static display at a museum
28 AFCDGPTP : PA used its A300 on most Caribbean routes including JFK-PTP I do remember my mother flew this bird PTP-JFK-PTP. As a matter of fact, PA was flying JFK
29 milesrich : It appears that in the 1985 timetable, the A310's were used on domestic US services and European services, primarily the intra German fights. In the 1
30 longhauler : Wasn't AF in there as well?
31 PanHAM : 2 daily flights PAR-DUS-TXL, not really anything to mention.l Dan Air, Laker and other UK charter operators had more flights.
32 ABQopsHP : I have an April 1990 PA schedule, which shows LAX-MIA PA42 A300 LV0815-AR1627 PA441 B747 LV1410-AR2157 When I was living in ELP from '89-'95, prior t
33 Viscount724 : Apart from the 737-200 names already mentioned, following are the German names I could find that were used on Pan Am 727s. The same names were often
34 Post contains images ClassicLover : Well, not according to the two pictures above. As far as I am aware, the whole Pan Am 747 fleet had a major cabin refresh in the late 1980s.
35 turk223 : Wel, I feel the 727s looked more abused towards the end,,, The orange red and blue seat covers in the late 80s were prett dated and the machines from
36 Viscount724 : Not sure the job was ever completed. I was on several Pan Am 747s in their last few years of service and many were quite shabby. And the "refresh" yo
37 Flyingsottsman : From looking at those departed flights from skycub, Pan Am flew to just about every where, how did they manage with so many different types of aircraf
38 klwright69 : FRA-DEL/BOM was always a 747. They also used the 747 to Karachi.
39 Post contains images LAXintl : At the time it was actually the most expensive cabin refit in the industry. It was stated it cost $1mil per aircraft for the refreshed cabins.
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