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User currently offlinevectismanpaul From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 84 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 26918 times:

I was just wondering if anyone had any more news about BA route developments for Summer 2013 at London Gatwick.
I am aware that Manchester is stopping and Amsterdam is reduced from 26 to 22. I also know that Barcelona and Alicante are being introduced 3 times daily each. A reliable source on here last week indicated that 2 new short haul routes would be announced very soon. Any ideas what they might be? I also heard a rumour that there could be a couple of long haul 'tag ons' too.
I don't want the thread to become a debate about pros and cons of having a base at Gatwick but just to concentrate on BA Gatwick News including aircraft, routes etc....
Hopefully the thread will become informative!!
I look forward to reading your inputs.
V.

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User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 26810 times:

The two short haul route announcements have been delayed but they will happen. Not heard of any long haul apart from CMB.

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 26785 times:
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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 26568 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 1):
The two short haul route announcements have been delayed but they will happen.

Is there any chance one of them would be Malta. KM has reduced their flights to LGW so may be BA could take over some of them.

Generally speaking, BA is a bit weaker than LH, AF or KL for European flights due to constraints in LHR or LGW. I think they should share codes with the likes of KM, JU or JP if they do not serve their respective countries. It would add more feed to BA's longhaul and shorthaul flights.



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User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 26564 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 3):

With easyJet flying from LGW to Malta, I think it unlikely BA would see enough yield to justify the route. Happy to be proved wrong though.


User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 26293 times:

Heard a rumour that some of BA Cityflyer's Embraer 190s might go to LGW, ultimately replacing the 734s and thus removing BA mainline from shorthaul at Gatwick.

User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 26235 times:

It's more likely will be CMN in summer, they have suspended it by now from LHR, but it will come back as there is also a demand in the summer for TNG also, so keep watching for these 2 routes

User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 25878 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 6):
It's more likely will be CMN in summer, they have suspended it by now from LHR, but it will come back as there is also a demand in the summer for TNG also, so keep watching for these 2 routes

Air Arabia Morocco started this 2 routes only last week, so probably not on BA priority list, as CMN wasn't a good performer for BD.


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 25784 times:

As an aside, how big was LGW for BA at it's height? How many a/c based, how many routes etc?

User currently offlinevectismanpaul From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 25775 times:

Kaitak wrote:

'Heard a rumour that some of BA Cityflyer's Embraer 190s might go to LGW, ultimately replacing the 734s and thus removing BA mainline from shorthaul at Gatwick.'
In my opinion unlikely owing to BA agreement with BALPA re use of aircraft with less than 100 seats out of LGW or LHR. This does not mean, I believe, that BA Mainline cannot order/operate EMB 195s but would need to do so with more than 100 seats. Flybe operates theirs with 118 seats. However I have been informed that Gatwick handling charges are more favourable for aircraft with 150 plus seats. (interesting that easyjet A319s have a 156 capacity)
However some routes would suit a 114 to 118 seater (Maybe Manchester route may have survived with this capacity aircraft). However in Summer months demand is high on some routes in both Club and Economy cabins. Also some routes such as Paphos would need the A319/A320 or the 737.

V.


User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 24098 times:

Not MLA unfortunately.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 22226 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 10):
Not MLA unfortunately.

So you know what the destinations are... any hint? old GB airways destinations?



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 21585 times:

Excellent news. BA was always remoured to start those 2 destinations from LGW.

I however feel that there is room for more new routes out of LGW especially considering BA is closing MAN, reduing AMS and some other routes. These 2 new routes will only take a 734 from 13:00 onwards. I think the cancellation of MAN and AMS reduction might have freed up one entire 734.



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8534 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 21582 times:
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Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 9):
'Heard a rumour that some of BA Cityflyer's Embraer 190s might go to LGW, ultimately replacing the 734s and thus removing BA mainline from shorthaul at Gatwick.'

- With no additional 190's on order, I don't think this holds much water, these machines are needed @ LCY.



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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 21575 times:

it's good for the crew reducing their daily sectors

User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21577 times:

My guess for the morning rotation is PMI and MAH.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21577 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 15):
My guess for the morning rotation is PMI and MAH.

PMI was previously served from LGW and discontinued....



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8534 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21582 times:
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Quoting richardw (Reply 16):
My guess for the morning rotation is PMI

- They used to operate to PMI x LGW before, used the service myself, full on all flights.



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User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21574 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 17):
PMI was previously served from LGW and discontinued....

Same as BCN, GOA and NCE then!


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21570 times:

Quoting richardw (Reply 19):

Got me there, lol! You're right then... PMI and MAH could be a possibility...



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21579 times:

See BA are starting LGW-ACE every Thursday from next April...so presume LPA/TFS also likely?
The ACE flight is showing a 737 when doing a booking.
Hope it works out...nice.
Keith



from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21576 times:

ACE is every Thursday and Sunday while TPS gets the service the other days.

Thinking about other Spanish routes, I was wondering why BA isn't using Vueling as a partner where Vueling would operate routes to Gatwick from let's say VLC, PMI, SVQ, MAH, BIO, etc with BA sharing codes on those services. It might be a smart move to put pressure on U2 at LGW.



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User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 21574 times:

Just to clarify as my post was deleted. BA are launching Lanzarote (twice weekly) and Tenerife South (5 Weekly).

User currently offlinejet72uk From UK - England, joined Oct 2011, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 21572 times:

There you go. Not overly exciting but new routes none the less.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 21571 times:

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 23):
There you go. Not overly exciting but new routes none the less.

What is for strange is that BA does not make big announcement about its shorthaul routes... The routes are already on sale but we did not hear anything from them.



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25 seansasLCY : Apparently San Juan has been dropped. BA cite they are optimising their network.
26 GSTBA : Big announcements about routes, aircraft orders etc are usually made as part of the quarterly financial results. Q3 results are due on Friday so expe
27 AIR MALTA : Good, looking forward to that... I think the whole short haul operation at LGW should be rethought. BA should consider offering some BoB ontop of its
28 GSTBA : BA have already announced a number of changes to LGW's S13 shorthaul operation. Only some of these changes are shown in this post. So I thought I woul
29 Candid76 : Just booked a round trip to Gatwick from MAN for the end of November, a route I've used quite often. Who knows when I may fly into LGW again, or even
30 GSTBA : BA conducts a survey of pax at the end of each flight. BA at the end of each flight sends a email to 10 randomly selcted pax to ask them to complete
31 AIR MALTA : This could also be a nice idea... Sort of buying a meal upgrade when you book your flight. I am sure the full English Breakfast would work well for r
32 APYu : If the BA Survey showed such a high level of satisfaction then why are they now increasing the on board offering by offering complimentary wraps and
33 AIR MALTA : What is the new catering offering on BA shourthaul now?
34 GSTBA : I have to disagree if anything the short haul operation will be bigger in a few years time. The LGW managing director and her team have over the last
35 Post contains links BAW217 : Have a look here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ing-guide-winter-2012-13-beta.html Improvement in Euro Traveller and slight amendments to Cl
36 anstar : Hopefully they do as gthe BA aircraft are far infrerior the the mian competitior at LGW (Easyjet).
37 cslusarc : I'd like to see BA move over some narrow-body 734s to the EC operating certificate and base them at ORY while further developing ORY as a OneWorld foc
38 bluesky73 : Scrapping MAN and then all the flights back to the Spanish and Canary Islands is reminds me of them heading back to British Airtours days, is this a s
39 AIR MALTA : I hope this happen but the most probable is for BA to order more Airbuses deliver them at LHR and move the older ones to LGW. That way, operating cos
40 VV701 : BA ae cutting the add-on ANU-SJU flight (BA2157/56) from the start of the 2013 Summer Timetable.
41 skipness1E : Are they dropping San Juan entirely then or is it being attached to another add on?
42 skipness1E : That would mean over-nighting an aircraft abroad for a single rotation per day to feed a long haul that's focussed on former British possesions and c
43 AIR MALTA : They are dropping it entirely!
44 trintocan : This is the second time that SJU has been cut by BA in around a decade and the second Caribbean destination to have been cut twice in a comparable ti
45 skipness1E : I understand that the APD is excessive to the Carribbean in comparison to the US, which is why SJU and MBJ were dropped by BA and PUJ and KIN were dro
46 richardw : Will BA do anything with the increased efficiency of the aircraft utilisation LGW-ANU-LGW gives?
47 AIR MALTA : So far we did not hear anything except all the Iberia drama.
48 Post contains links LHRFlyer : Will be interesting to see whether Vueling fits into this. "IAG will seek to develop a “more aggressive” plan for operations at Gatwick, a focus f
49 mutu : I think it was only a once a week tag on anyway? Not really a big issue
50 Post contains images readytotaxi : Very pleased to see a BA Club Europe again to TFS, April is offering a £488 return,quite reasonable and good timings.
51 richardw : If the loss of a tag impoves the utilisation of a wide-body aircraft to two sectors within a 24 hour period or better, once per week, 52 weeks in a ye
52 vectismanpaul : Many thanks to all for contributing to this thread. A very interesting read. Interesting to hear Willie Walsh say yesterday that 'IAG will seek to dev
53 trintocan : I recall reading that the flight will go on to UVF instead, thus ensuring that both UVF and ANU remain daily. UVF will have 6 weekly nonstops to / fr
54 vectismanpaul : Any news yet about another operating taking up the Manchester-Gatwick route? I do believe there is a market out there despite the trains!! BA services
55 heebeegb : vectismanpaul " Also on one slide shown at the results presentation yesterday it was said that Gatwick's cost base had been reduced to that of lower c
56 Post contains links vectismanpaul : Hi there Follow this link and then download The Capital Markets Day Presentation 2012. The comments re Gatwick were made on a webcast that I have been
57 Post contains links VV701 : On Slide 60 of last Thursday's IAG Capital Markets Day 2012 presentation accessible here: http://www.iagshares.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=240949&p=irol-p
58 skipness1E : R U B B I S H They still have many more times the customer services staff on the books than easyJet who outsource *all* handling. Spin, spin, spin, h
59 VV701 : We do not know the spoken words at the presentation when this slide was on the screen. But if you consider their words 'good progress' and 'core' and
60 by738 : Someone really has an exaggerated bee in their bonnet about BA at LGW....
61 skipness1E : Oh not at all. I think a dose of reality is needed in business. British Airways do not, and cannot have a loco or near loco cost structure. Lounge acc
62 richardw : Corsica was a Sunday morning rotation with GT and is with U2 London Gatwick to Corsica (Bastia) Dep Sun, 16 June 2013 06:20 Arr Sun, 16 June 2013 09:
63 heebeegb : BA operated Bastia charters from LHR this summer on Saturdays BA9238/BA9239 London Heathrow – Bastia.
64 VV701 : This flight was operated for Mark Warner Holidays on nineteen Saturdays last summer. The first flight was on 26 May, the last on 29 September. This w
65 jet72uk : I can't beleive for a minute that LGW-MAN will not be serviced. Would rather BE over EZY. Maybe EI? Surely a deal was done before BA pulled the plug?
66 AIR MALTA : I can only see BE operating the route, although not highly probable as BE are axing ABZ-LGW soon... In another development, BA is adding a 5th daily
67 richardw : What's your source for this please?
68 AIR MALTA : BA.com online timetable...
69 richardw : Some of this appears to be peak high summer period only.
70 joost : In what way? I flew G-GBTB and G-DOCY last summer on the AMS-LGW route and found the interior of the airplane very decent. Of course, it wasn't brand
71 skipness1E : Don't they get A319s on a summer only basis?
72 vectismanpaul : It has been suggested by others that Gatwick will see more A319s from early next year. Anyone got anymore news about this. Pleased to see the recent r
73 goldcrest : Have heard that 6 former BMI A319s will be based at LGW.
74 AIR MALTA : If they use 6 former A319s will that mean more services and routes or will they start retiring some 734s?
75 JerseyFlyer : I am surprised IAG has not mandated BA to fly LGW - MAD in order to connect SE England (and CI) markets better with IB international departures from M
76 heebeegb : I know it was pre-IAG however, when BA used to operate LGW-MAD the number of connections onto IB were very very small
77 vectismanpaul : Still very quiet about possible replacement carrier for Manchester-Gatwick. I have read elsewhere that since the announcement by BA of their decision
78 tomkell92 : I can confirm that this isn't going to happen. My dad works for BA CityFlyer and he has said that the airline is not allowed to compete on any routes
79 GSTBA : The 767 refurbishment program which is being carried out by the engineering team at LGW has been going well. The program is on track to be completed
80 babybus : It is unbelievable that BA want to drop this route. In all the years that I and anyone else I know has used it it has been rarely less than 80% full.
81 AIR MALTA : Is BA going to transfer only A319s to LGW? I mean it is a capacity reduction compared to the 734s. A mix of 320s and 319s would be better suited for
82 skipness1E : The fares on MAN-LGW on the 20 or so flights I have been on were a bargain, always better than the train. I had suspected it was under threat for a lo
83 santos : I think that LPL-IOM is currently their shortest scheduled flight
84 skipness1E : Ahh yes quite right. Sneeze and you miss it.
85 VV701 : No train to compete against on these over-water routes. If HS2 is built do not expect the LHR-MAN service to survive very long, particularly if there
86 skipness1E : Given much of it's connecting over BA at LHR anyway why would I take the train? Point to point fares on LHR-MAN are very expensive for a reason, the
87 Post contains links and images VV701 : That would depend on where you were starting out from. If you are convenient for and it is quicker to travel to Manchester Picadilly why would you no
88 skipness1E : Customer mentality kicks in, the mindset says I check in with BA at my local airport and I don't expect to see my bags until the other side of the wo
89 VV701 : Would there be any greater worry about your bags if, as I have already suggested, it was possible to check them in at Manchester Picadilly than if yo
90 skipness1E : It won't be possible to do that for security reasons I suspect.
91 raffik : Birmingham to Heathrow is a much shorter drive than Manchester to London. Plus, lugging heavy cases to a train station and on and off etc is not fun.
92 Bongodog1964 : There must be a way, if its ok for your bags to be chucked on the back of a truck in the carribbean, whilst the passengers travel by coach and have n
93 skipness1E : They're not in the UK though are they? The rather handy baggage drop for Gatwick at Victoria was closed for that very reason.
94 VV701 : That is why it will not happen until HS2 is built and links Manchester Piccadilly directly to Heathrow. And when that happens it will be quicker to g
95 raffik : It will only work if the cost of the train tickets are low enough- and with the cost of train travel rising year on year, I would like to see if it co
96 vectismanpaul : Good morning Interesting to read your comments about the Manchester route re the trains etc... PersonallyI believe there will always be those who pref
97 rutankrd : HS2 as planned is NO panacea for the slot issues at LHR or a replacement for ANY of the remaining limited domestic flights including those operated by
98 theginge : The most stupid thing about HS2 is that they don't plan a Heathrow direct link in the first phase, ie go Central London - Heathrow then up north. Loo
99 vasu : Anyone know why BA6 has just landed at Gatwick? RJAA -LHR, G-STBC 777-300ER
100 vectismanpaul : gentle reminder. Thread is about BA Gatwick news not rail links or Heathrow. Thanks V.
101 vectismanpaul : It would appear that BA006 landing at Gatwick could have been a weather diversion. V.
102 LGWflyer : Weather diversion, was that the actual reason or...? I thought the weather was fine, quite a nice evening outside.
103 vectismanpaul : I cannot confirm weather diversion, just noticed on Heathrow arrivals board several flights ariving behind schedule and a few 'Enquire airline'. Could
104 LGWflyer : Ah right, I'd probably guess it was not a weather diversion. According to FlightRadar 24 he seemed to come into LGW rather quickly without even tryin
105 rutankrd : Didn't mean to thread jack apologies ! As for BA at Gatwick does it really have a future beyond serving as a repository for redeeming avios points an
106 Post contains images vectismanpaul : rutankard 'As for BA at Gatwick does it really have a future beyond serving as a repository for redeeming avios points and honey moon trip' Hopefully
107 LGWflyer : It seems the reason why BA006 diverted to LGW was because one of the runways was shut shortly at LHR due to an emergency with an Air Canada flight. St
108 skipness1E : No. I watched a B744 go around from 27L a while back operating BAW6 and declare an immediate mayday as they were tight on fuel. Even a short delay ma
109 vectismanpaul : Good morning Am I correct in believing that the Gatwck Cabin Crew are not affected by senior staff voluntary redundancies? I believe it only covers th
110 vectismanpaul : BA over past few days been announcing changes/additions to Summer 13 timetable. Anything in pipeline for Gatwick? Still no news of Manchester replacem
111 LGWflyer : Im hoping Flybe will take up this route. Who knows, if the VS domestic flights go well at LHR next year, they might start a LGW-MAN flight....
112 skipness1E : LGW-MAN is gone, like LBA, it's not coming back. There's no VS feed outside the first wave and point to point is struggling. The outside chance of EZY
113 anstar : No chance of that happening. Short Haul is going to be limited to LHR and connecting the long haul network. there is no money for them in a standalon
114 AIR MALTA : Back to topic. I have gone through the LGW schedules on ba.com and it seems that BA has changed flight times of most of the services. The schedules on
115 GSTBA : The schedule is in the middle of a huge update. Some routes on the online timetable look as if they have had frequency cuts. However the flight when
116 skipness1E : The legroom is worse than easyJet on the G-DBC* A319s. I was wedged into row three on a MAN-LHR sector recently tht was tolerable only with a good cre
117 by738 : Its never really be marketted as having significant extra legroom. The ground service, empty middle seat (or wider convertor) and inflight service mo
118 Alsatian : I checked it on the BA's website and i have found Nantes, Montpellier or Strasbourg in the pulldown menu of the french destinations. British Airways
119 GSTBA : There are a few destinations that appear in a drop down box on the site that are not currently operated to by BA or by BA's codeshare partners, I onl
120 jrn216 : Has anyone seen the summer 2013 BA schedule for Jersey? It looks bizarre. I can't make out what is going on because there is very little consistency,
121 skipness1E : Hello by738, my old friend. I know that quite well, my main point is that the ex BMI A319s have an inferior product to the current BA LGW B734 and LH
122 AIR MALTA : This is not linited to JER. Try to check flight times to EDI, GLA, ALC, BCN or AGP.
123 vectismanpaul : With Meridiana ending their flights to Verona and Florence I wonder if BA will increase frequency to Verona or be tempted to start Florence from Gatwi
124 gabrielchew : I think LPA would be a very popular route during the winter. I'm surprised they went with ACE rather than LPA for the summer.
125 jwhite9185 : I was on both DBCA and DBCD in May and I found the legroom pretty adequate up at the front for the 2 hour or so journey down to NCE. All BA have done
126 AIR MALTA : It could be possible... BA seems to be back on the Spanish routes once again... I think BA should work with Vueling to serve some other airpots from
127 vectismanpaul : To be honest I want to see BA flying the routes!! I think you will find Vueling will concentrate on the Spanish market inside and to and from Spain. U
128 skipness1E : That's the whole issue, they did not spec out all of the ex BMI A319s to BA standards. It seems G-DBCI and a few others have twelve more seats at CY1
129 AIR MALTA : The A319 will surely bring freshness to the LGW fleet as the 734s are very tired looking and in some cases dirty although some of the 734s have been
130 bwaflyer : All bmi A319s are in the same configuration of 144 seats. The only differences are that A-F have two small wardrobes at the back.
131 vectismanpaul : I have also noticed the BA Gatwick schedules being updated in various places including the One World Online timetable. A319s are appearing a lot more
132 JerseyFlyer : My understanding is that BA's LGW operation is intended to address the O&D market for SE England residents - the population of a small country li
133 AIR MALTA : Not all the routes are intended for SE. Longhaul routes as well as ALG, TIA and TUN are intended for a larger catchment area than the SE.
134 vectismanpaul : Happy New Year to you all!! The BA Gatwick schedule is definitley having a significant update. Some extra flights and lots of timings changes. Difficu
135 GSTBA : Based on the schedule for the 1st week in August it looks like the A319's will operate the following patterns: Monday 1 - NCE-LGW-NAP-LGW-AGP-LGW 2 -
136 vectismanpaul : Many thanks GSTBA Impressed how you worked it all out. The aircraft look very busy. Do you think there is anything else in the pipeline? Thanks V.
137 VV701 : I believe that ten of the eleven of the ex-BD 319s - the possible exception being 'CA - are configured with 144 seats while the rest of BA's fleet (i
138 Tristarsteve : CA has 144 seats now. All 11 are the same.
139 rutankrd : Didn't CA have a trip to LH Technics in Sofia for recovery of LH fittings before being reconfigured to match the other class mates in BA with 144 sea
140 vectismanpaul : On some other forums the new Heathrow-Palma service is being welcomed with calls for a similar service from Gatwick. Apparently Ibiza is selling very
141 GSTBA : IBZ sold very well last summer. So much so in fact that BA have increased the frequency on the route for next summer from LGW and LCY. LCY - 17x Week
142 JER757 : 4 a/c is probably a bit much but they could be building a bit of slack into the schedule to try and prevent another summer of delays a la S12?
143 AIR MALTA : I have been on yesterday's 19:40 DUB-LHR A319 D-BDCJ and the ex BMI seats are very unconfortable and low. I have noticed that they did not have drop
144 Tristarsteve : Bit of a bad example. In first week of April there are five flights to TUN, and there are five different departure times from LGW!
145 BA0197 : I frequent this route and I find this quite funny. Surely they are not going to leave the schedule like that.
146 GSTBA : I think you might find they will The current schedule only allows for a turnaround time per aircraft of between 40 mins and 55 mins. There are no air
147 Post contains images BA0197 : This is certainly a change of strategy at Gatwick. BA has always had flights a 17:35 from LGW to TUN every summer season. It appears that I shall eve
148 raffik : I'm really hoping that BA start up LPA. I really don't like having to go with Easyjet- it was really nice when GB Airways operated the route. The last
149 skipness1E : Having flown on one, I would suggest you reserve judgement on that one, the seating is....tight. Incidentally it's only the G-DBC* ex BMI A319s, the
150 AIR MALTA : What I meant is that the schedules to Tunis changed late November and the Monday morning flight has been rescheduled to depart at 07:20 from LGW. Tod
151 Leej : So are there any updates on the Caribbean routes and the 777 fleet in general? I am lucky enough to do the ANU run a few times a year and it would be
152 TimRees : Quite agree! I flew on a few during the summer from LHR to NCE. The pitch was very tight - I even managed to spill my coffee all over my white chinos
153 vectismanpaul : Good morning. I was just wondering if anyone can envisage any more long haul leisure destinations for BA from Gatwick. Would destinations such as Seyc
154 bluesky73 : With the 10 A320s that start arriving in June I assume they will free up older 319s to be transferred to LGW too. Good to see BA reinvent itself at LG
155 vectismanpaul : I think you will find the overall experience is better than the Airtours days. Most of the destinations are prime leisure ones especially the long hau
156 skipness1E : The service at LGW is secondary to LHR on short haul. Why do you think LGW got the A319s with the tighest seat pitch. Long haul is comparable, however
157 by738 : That remains debatable, and based on feedback a few high premium routes switching back to WW
158 Post contains images skipness1E : Do you just sign in to argue with me? That's sweet, I am sure we must have dated Key point is that a good WW crew is excellent in the front cabin but
159 Humberside : I'd guess it's due to less business travel at weekend and consequently frequency reductions on short haul LHR routes that release aircraft and slots
160 AIR MALTA : That's what I thought... But BA should have done that for AGP and may be have new destinations introduced.
161 HUYfan : by738, your statement is merely an assumption. Routes change between Mixed Fleet, Eurofleet and Worldwide for reasons other than customer feedback. OV
162 LHRFlyer : There is absolutely no truth in the claim routes have moved back to WW because of negative feedback for Mixed Fleet. There has been some feedback abou
163 by738 : Ive experienced both frequently and I so I can assure you its far from an "assumption", thank you. Seems someone has delusions. I see no argument, bu
164 skipness1E : Do BA even fly to the US Minor Outlying Islands????? I think I know this one..... Perhaps I am being unfair but can I ask you honestly, how often do
165 AIR MALTA : Do you think that routes to Tirana, Tunis, Algiers or even Barcelona, Nice and Alicante are there for Avios redemption only?
166 jet72uk : Why on earth would they start routes for Avios redemption only???? TUN runs at 85-90%. As for HKT, SEZ and FLL these have been rumoured for years, but
167 skipness1E : Um it's pretty well known that part of the reason LGW short haul was closed was to allow premier customers somewhere to spend accumulated points. The
168 AIR MALTA : Are you sure about the figures. Was always interested in the performance of that route as I use it a lot (and wish it could be moved to LHR for bette
169 BA0197 : I too utilise this route often. I wish that it would move to LHR to allow for connectivity to US flights. It also almost always requires a nightstop
170 AIR MALTA : Tunis service does not need 3 daily flights and it can be transferred to LHR by using slots to destinations that have multiple daily flights. The sam
171 jet72uk : Appears lots of people use the Tunis route then?! The % was average load factors last 3 months.
172 jet72uk : For the record the new LBA/RTM routes are doing appallingly. (from LHR)
173 shuttle9juliet : I've heard that too, but they are really just slot fillers until the 787 comes in may..They will get dropped..
174 AIR MALTA : The same if for Dublin I guess. I was on the 19:40 to LHR last week end we were merely 20 or so pax on an A319.
175 shuttle9juliet : So I've heard? But I thought Dublin would have worked? I can't get my head around that one? EI must be up to something with BA, LHR-DUB was that not
176 skipness1E : Never understood Dublin and BA, they just can't make it work. I genuinely would love to know why. Surely all the BMI passengers didn't go to Aer Lingu
177 shuttle9juliet : Something not quite right about it? I am sure BMI had decent loads and was a good yielding route?As you say, not all off them could have gone to EI.
178 HUYfan : By738, you stated that due to feedback, a few high premium routes had moved back to WW. KWI and LAX are in BA's top 20 longhaul routes, both of which
179 VV701 : Much of this oscillation reflected the impact of the EU / USA Open Skies agreement that came into force as of 30 March 2008. With most of their compe
180 1stfl94 : BA has switched a number of routes between cabin crew fleets, usually more dependant on aircraft, frequencies and trip patterns rather than rumoured
181 jet72uk : I'm sure ALG will and should be moved to LHR, while AGA should be moved to LGW. I can possibly see an LGW-MAD being re-introduced and think NAS and GC
182 skipness1E : Yes I know, I used to shoot those very B777s inbound and the business focus has evolved back to the old British Airtours model of long haul leisure.
183 vectismanpaul : Thanks to all of you who got this thread back on topic recently!! Does anyone know if schedule update is now more or less complete? I see that Mauriti
184 vectismanpaul : I see that Boeing 737 G-DOCE returned from Sofia maintenance today after a 19 day stay. Boeing 737 G-DOCN left for maintenance at Sofia this morning.
185 vectismanpaul : Any BA Gatwick news? How is Manchester doing in its final weeks? Any rumours re Winter 2013/2014? Whe do the A319 arrive in numbers? Thanks V.
186 jet72uk : I had to take the coach yeserday from LHR T5 to LGW North. I timed it at 38mins 47sec. I didn't thinknthis was too bad considering this was 1630 on a
187 AIR MALTA : I usually do that when I have to take the LGW-TUN flight connecting from LHR. I think that National Express are a rip off and the whole LHR-LGW trans
188 Vasu : True! Not to mention very rude (from my own experience)... I've seen drivers shouting angrily at arriving passengers who (obviously) don't speak much
189 vectismanpaul : In a few weeks the A319s will arrive for the Summer. Some of the 737s have had heavy maintenance too. Any news of anymore schedule changes? Thanks. V.
190 AIR MALTA : Sitting right now on a National Express after landing 1:30 late from Tunis. We disembarked at a remote stand (although there were many empty gates), b
191 vectismanpaul : Good to see the Gatwick to Barcelona route re-instated by BA today 3 times daily. Alicante, Tenerife and Arrecife to follow soon. Would be good to see
192 vectismanpaul : I would also like to see the following routes from Gatwick considered by BA from 2013/2014 onwards Geneva (all year round instead of Winter seasonal)
193 rutankrd : That chancellor really has no idea what he has done here .Whats more it effects his OWN constituents - Many in Tatton (Those footballers wifes and fa
194 vectismanpaul : Rutankrd Many thanks for your well thought out and argued reply. Always helpful to read such posts to help me think my ideas through. As far as Geneva
195 GSTBA : The A319's will all begin operating from LGW from the first day of the S13 schedule which starts on the 31st March. The aircraft are expected to begi
196 bluesky73 : Is it just 5 ex BMI 319s or will all 11 eventually migrate to LGW? Does anyone with inside knowledge know which particular 319s will be based at LGW o
197 GSTBA : BA plan to begin the retirement of the 737 fleet during W13. The plan is that the 1st aircraft will be removed from service at the end of October. Wi
198 Bongodog1964 : It appears from what you have said that the traditional summer migration of four or five A319's from LHR to LGW will continue, but instead of migrati
199 bluesky73 : Thanks for the update GSTBA, if you say LGW 319s will be between 10-12 i imagine all the G-DBC* buses will eventually be based at LGW. So doing the su
200 VV701 : Before the start of the Summer 2014 Timetable BA are scheduled to take delivery of six new 320s. They are slated for delivery in June, September and
201 JerseyFlyer : Does this mean that there will be 2 standards of seating / pitch on LGW 319s? I.e. the ex-BMI ones with inferior seating and the ex-LHR BA ones.
202 skipness1E : Where are we on the LGW fleet replacement program then? It seems to have just been forgotten about in the excitement of second hand BMI aircraft with
203 liverpoola380 : Does anyone think the LGW - MAN route will ever be operational again. I fly regular on this route and loads are always good. Not sure of ticket fairs
204 skipness1E : Are you commuting as cabin crew? I think too many of the bums on seats are airline staff on this one.
205 hotplane : I believe it's EUOB & EUOE.
206 817Dreamliiner : Probably not unfortunately...
207 Bongodog1964 : I read it as a one for one replacement, however there is always the possibility of some expansion if they can find routes to profitably use the spare
208 ZuluTime : Skipness 1E, have flown on two of the ex-bmi A319s in service with BA (on flights to/from LHR) in the last few days and I found the seat-pitch to be a
209 skipness1E : The issue is that when someone is paying for Club, you expect a little more. I was in row 3 on a domestic last year and it was uncomfortably tight, t
210 goldcrest : Although the ex BMI 319 has two extra rows added, the two toilets at the rear have been removed. One is relocated in the galley area, and one removed
211 skipness1E : In what sense? I already said makes no difference in economy, however the "average" is not a helpful stat here. Club is being offered on LGW short ha
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