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Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?  
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19316 times:


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I remember when they were new. I'm afraid we'll be seeing this more often  


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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19170 times:

Thats ex OH-LGB, delivered to Finnair 12/1991 and finally to World Airways 12/2010. Bye Bye...


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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19144 times:

So sad. Many flights as passenger on this frame. Fairwell "Gorba"!

okAY


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18962 times:

Dunno when dismantling started on this bird, but I do know PH-KCH (ex KL) arrived at VCV on july 30th to be scrapped. A Dutch spottersite has pictures taken a day later already showing breakup in progress.

User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18590 times:

Quoting United_fan (Thread starter):

I remember when they were new. I'm afraid we'll be seeing this more often

Yes and no.

Yes, they are getting old and the values are low.

No, not all MD-11s are in the same position. You're more likely to see an MD-11F parked than scrapped, but an MD-11 without a cargo door has virtually no value now, because A. Nobody is going to spend the money to convert the very few left in passenger configuration when there are already-converted frames (with lower hours and cycles too) on the market at bargain prices, and B. the availability of second-hand 777-200s and A330s in passenger configuration hurts old MD-11 pax planes the same way those planes did when all three were still on sale at the same time new from the factory.

That said, I love watching the MD-11 in action and though I'll probably never get to ride on one, I'll miss them when they're going. Fortunately, they'll be flying as freighters for a good while yet.


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18527 times:
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Quoting 76er (Reply 3):
A Dutch spottersite has pictures taken a day later already showing breakup in progress.

Can you provide us where these can be viewed.....


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18493 times:

She was a good bird, and very reliable. Sad to see her like this.


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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18400 times:

Don't know when this picture was taken but the stripping has already begun on PH-KCH




User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18372 times:
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[quote=dtw9,reply=7]Don't know when this picture was taken but the stripping has already begun on PH-KCH


Thanks so much and this looks live VCV


User currently offlineAirOne From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18178 times:

This will probably start the trend of these aircraft getting scrapped. It is a dead airplane in a passenger configuration - I think KLM are the last scheduled operators of the type - besides for that I think only World Airways has 2 and that is it.

They are still prevalent in cargo operations, but that is mainly supported by FedEx. Besides for that Aeroflot Cargo, Eva Air Cargo, Centurion and China Cargo all operate them, but would expect them to phase out in the next couple years, especially given the declining lease rates of 747 kit.

Last thing to keep in mind, if the airlines have depreciated these aircraft fully, they do have an interesting part out value. Most of these aircraft are powered by the CF6-80C2 which is the engine that services a lot of the A300/A310/MD-11/747/767 fleet. Since there is still a large operating fleet of 747s and 767s there is demand for spare parts for the engines.

AirOne


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17895 times:

Quoting AirOne (Reply 9):
They are still prevalent in cargo operations, but that is mainly supported by FedEx. Besides for that Aeroflot Cargo, Eva Air Cargo, Centurion and China Cargo all operate them

And Nordic Global Airlines (HEL) operate four ex-AY.


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17731 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 11):
And Nordic Global Airlines (HEL) operate four ex-AY

Two ex-AY and two ex-BR.


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17281 times:

Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 12):
Two ex-AY and two ex-BR.

Ok thanks for the correction.


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16951 times:

Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 12):
Two ex-AY and two ex-BR.

I only see three on my usual airplane fleet website, two ex-AY and one ex-BR. What are the regs on the ex-BR examples?


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16827 times:

Quoting AirOne (Reply 9):
They are still prevalent in cargo operations, but that is mainly supported by FedEx. Besides for that Aeroflot Cargo, Eva Air Cargo, Centurion and China Cargo all operate them, but would expect them to phase out in the next couple years, especially given the declining lease rates of 747 kit.

You've forgotten the kazillion MD-11's that UPS operates.....


User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15742 times:

We all know that there are many factors involved as to when or why a particular airframe is scrapped. However, it is still an odd sight to see this MD-11 being parted out when there are still much older DC-10's still flying around.

User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14729 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 14):

4th one is ex B-16107 and is now OH-NGB.


User currently onlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14407 times:
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This is the start of the final journey for trijets. I don't think anyone can resonably argue that the MD-11 was the best aircraft ever built but she was a looker! She was a bit like the A340 500/600 of her days (i.e. built in an era where widebody twins had advanced to the stage where a third enginer was no longer needed).

I will probably never get to ride on one and I will be a lesser person for it but I used to love watching these birds at SNN when World Airways used to do fuel stops there. Then we had Omni DC-10s but those are gone now too. Just an endless progression of boring A320s/B737's left.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2070 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

Quoting AirOne (Reply 9):
They are still prevalent in cargo operations, but that is mainly supported by FedEx. Besides for that Aeroflot Cargo, Eva Air Cargo, Centurion and China Cargo all operate them
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
You've forgotten the kazillion MD-11's that UPS operates.....

LH Cargo still operates 18 frames and will do so for a good while longer.



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7112 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

I flew the MD11's a lot from Europe to Atlanta with Delta. From a passenger perspective, they were a far more comfortable ride than either the 767 or the 777.


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User currently offlineAirOne From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

Hi - yes, sorry I did not make a complete list of MD-11 operators.

Of those you mentioned, do you think the airlines will put them through their next heavy check? Would the cost of the overhaul be more than the value of the aircraft? It might just be easier to start engine swapping.

AirOne


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

Quoting AirOne (Reply 9):
This will probably start the trend of these aircraft getting scrapped. It is a dead airplane in a passenger configuration - I think KLM are the last scheduled operators of the type - besides for that I think only World Airways has 2 and that is it.

World used to have a sizable MD-11 fleet, but with the recent bankruptcy of their parent company combined with the slowdown in military charters due to the withdrawal of US forces in Iraq, according to Airfleets.net they have stored 10 MD-11s this year and currently operate 6 MD-11s (4 MD-11Fs, 2 MD-11 passenger a/c). For a time there after DL started to retire their MD-11s, World leased a few of them until UPS needed them (DL had sold their MD-11s to FedEx and UPS for conversion into cargo a/c.).

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 19):
I flew the MD11's a lot from Europe to Atlanta with Delta. From a passenger perspective, they were a far more comfortable ride than either the 767 or the 777.

Years ago when I worked for ASA and got to fly on Delta, I flew ATL-PDX-ATL a few times because they flew one flight a day with the MD-11 because PDX was their Asian gateway at the time and the flight was a tag-on leg to their flights to Japan so you got international service on a domestic flight. I definitely liked the MD-11 over the 767-200/300 and favored it (just barely) over the 777.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2884 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4342 times:
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Where did the old VARIG MD-11's go? I know a few went to TAM until their 773's arrived, so where did they go?

How many did RG MD-11's were there...after they got rid of their 747's they were the backbone of their long haul fleet.

I flew those VARIG MD-11's often. They felt like rockets upon take off, and they also had put in a new lie-flat F that wasn't bad at all.



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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 802 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

I only flew an MD11 once, from GIG-LHR with Varig on a red eye. For about the only time in my life I slept on a flight all night - so it must have been a good flight!

User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1355 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 21):
I definitely liked the MD-11 over the 767-200/300 and favored it (just barely) over the 777.

Yes, having quite recently flown an MD-11 & 77L back to back, I would say that the MD was head and shoulders better. The 77L did have a more modern "feel" to it, I guess, but if the choice is offered (and it likely won't in the future) the MD-11 still gets the nod every time. FWIW, both a/c were of 3-3-3 config.



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25 ltbewr : Perhaps too this and others nearing the scarp/part out heap need major or 'D' checks that further cut their usuable value as pax a/c. I am quite sure
26 United_fan : Sure am glad I got a nice shot of N277WA last Summer ,here in ROC. I doubt we'll ever get a pax MD11 here,again.
27 airtran737 : There are big AD's coming for the MD-11 by 2017. The days of seeing them will soon be numbered. World brought a MD-11 back. They are up to seven, thre
28 Newark727 : According to planespotters.net they operated a total of 26 different frames. They're all freighters now, I think a fair few (planespotters indicates
29 planesofthepast : I flew on a Delta L-1011 from Atlanta to Gatwick in 1982 ... great flight, on a great plane. But the L-1011, MD11 and others from that era are headed
30 United_fan : There will be freighters for years to come.
31 VC10er : VARIG had the best Y product on international routes- once upon a time anyway. I flew her about 10 years ago from CDG to GIG on an MD-11 in Y. Now gr
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