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The Flying Hospital-L1011  
User currently offlinemichiganatc From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

I noticed on Google Earth 2012 that there are (2) L1011's parked on the west remote ramp at TUS. They have titles that say, "The Flying Hospital." ...whatever that means. Are both of these still there and airworthy? I noticed a picture in the database of P4-MED and the caption say's it hasn't flown in a while.

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7847 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

P4-MES? Another Aruba registered aircraft? That's a bit sketchy   

From what I heard one is engineless and the other has a lot of maintenance issues. IIRC neither flew since 2010.



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User currently offlinedash500 From Portugal, joined May 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

It's the same aircraft (P4-MED) photographed in different positions (and in different times). I doubt it will ever fly again, unless it gets a special ferry permit for a museum or something like that.

It hasn't flown for ages and it must have a whole world of inoperative systems and ADs to comply with. And it would have to change its engines to the RB211-524B standard just like the Orbital's L-1011 did.

When Delta stopped flying the L-1011 in 2001, their last L-1011 (the "Delta Belle") was donated to the "Flying Hospital" organization in order to keep P4-MED flying and not to be a second airworthy aircraft.

Let's face it, the L-1011 is almost dead  
I miss it ... as a passenger since the 80's and as a cabin crew in 2007 and 2008.



TriStar
User currently offlineL1011dal From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

Here's more info, even though dated, on the flying hospital and a graphic from interior and some interior shots.

http://www.l1011.homestead.com/flyinghosp.html


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2161 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

It ain't flying anywhere anytime soon. There's a huge rust/oil leak spot under the left wing and it hasn't moved since 2010. You can get real close to it--the left wing hangs over the fence, actually.

Here's an article I posted a couple years back on it.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/arti...6-4d5f-5903-8071-2a8e2cd8b763.html


User currently offlineklemmi85 From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

There also is the Orbis Flying Hospital, though it's a DC-10.

User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

This could possibly be the same aircraft that Lockheed AeroMod in TUS did back around that timeframe. I remember there were a couple of hospital conversion projects. We were doing hospital conversions for the Saudi Royal family at the time. I think we did two for the Saudi's and one for a private group.....many years ago....details are kinda fuzzy. I worked primairly on the King of Saudi Arabia's 747.

FYI....Lockheed AeroMod closed its doors in TUS just after these aircraft were complete.

N737AA


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 6):
This could possibly be the same aircraft that Lockheed AeroMod in TUS did back around that timeframe.

Was that timeframe 1995-1996? That's when Operation Blessing bought the L1011 and had it converted.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

The article states it was grounded after 9/11 . I doubt it's going anywhere but the scrapper.


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6326 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

The last time it flew was November, 2001 when it went to ATL to be checked. Yes, it was converted by Lockheed in 1996. The Operating Blessing crew used to go out every Wednesday and start the engines and every once in a while get Hamilton to attach a tug so the tires wouldn't get flat spots but that seems to have ended 8 or 9 years ago. And I really don't think any museum will ever want to pay what it would take to fly it out, she is doomed. Bet on Pima college getting her though.

One more small detail, it never served as a hospital and the flight to Atanta was the only time it left TUS.

[Edited 2012-11-05 19:06:15]


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Didn't Pat Robertson that Televangelist have one that he was trying to pose as a flying hospital but it was actually being used to haul diamond mining equipment around Africa.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7847 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
Didn't Pat Robertson that Televangelist have one that he was trying to pose as a flying hospital but it was actually being used to haul diamond mining equipment around Africa.

I thought he had a 747SP?



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2161 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 9):
One more small detail, it never served as a hospital and the flight to Atanta was the only time it left TUS.

I never heard that. Cool piece of trivia.

By the way, please keep clicking on the article about the plane. You're going to totally screw up the paper's web traffic count this week. It's the 10th most popular story today--nearly two years after it was written.      


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12773 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2541 times:
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I saw P4-MED at TUS in March 2011 and it hadn't flown for some time then.

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Photo © Steve Brimley




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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 9):
One more small detail, it never served as a hospital and the flight to Atanta was the only time it left TUS.

That is incorrect. From 1996-2000 it indeed served as a hospital flying many medical missions around the world. The photo database has a few shots of N787M / P4-MED in various locations around the globe:


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Photo © Edwin Donders



If you still don't believe it, here's a link to the guy who piloted it on a round-the-world mission in 1999.

http://www.rollanet.org/~mopilots/gateway/apr2004gw.htm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
Didn't Pat Robertson that Televangelist have one that he was trying to pose as a flying hospital but it was actually being used to haul diamond mining equipment around Africa.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
I thought he had a 747SP?

Operation Blessing was founded by Pat Robertson. However, you both are thinking of the 747SP (N4522V) that the "Global Peace Initiative" (Dr. K. A. Paul) owns.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 14):
Operation Blessing was founded by Pat Robertson. However, you both are thinking of the 747SP (N4522V) that the "Global Peace Initiative" (Dr. K. A. Paul) owns.

And that sadly sits derelict in Tijuana.



'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 14):
Operation Blessing was founded by Pat Robertson. However, you both are thinking of the 747SP (N4522V) that the "Global Peace Initiative" (Dr. K. A. Paul) owns.

It was Pat Robertson. I remember there was a big deal about it a few years back when a pilot revealed what Robertson was doing with diamond mining.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7847 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
And that sadly sits derelict in Tijuana.

That's what I was talking about    I heard that someone is trying to buy it for parting out.



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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

I believe P4-MED was delivered to PSA with the unique lower level passenger cabin (with no windows) evident by the pax entry door just forward of the left wing below the cheat line.

I believe 2 aircraft in this config were delivered to PSA. I can't imagine this was popular way to travel.

[Edited 2012-11-06 16:07:44]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 18):
This aircraft was delivered to PSA with the unique lower level passenger cabin (with no windows) evident by the pax entry door just forward of the left wing. I believe 2 aircraft in this config were delivered to PSA. I can't imagine this was popular way to travel.

5 L-1011s were ordered by PSA with the lower-deck lounge but they only took delivery of 2. The other 3 were cancelled at a late stage and delivered to German leisure carrier LTU (now part of Air Berlin). PSA only operated the 2 L-1011s for less than a year. It made no sense for PSA to operate widebodies, and even less so with lounges, when their longest flight was roughly 90 minutes and most were shorter.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
And that sadly sits derelict in Tijuana.

That's what I was talking about I heard that someone is trying to buy it for parting out.

I read that it has corrosion issues. Parts are unfortunetly all it's good for.



'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6326 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks ago) and read 2538 times:

The one that flew around the world was not this airframe. A different airframe was leased and painted in the colors, it had none of the interior though. How do I know this one may ask. Fair enough, I've been to TUS almost every day since 1987. Just don't ask me which airframe was flying around, I do not know.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2161 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 18):
I believe P4-MED was delivered to PSA with the unique lower level passenger cabin (with no windows) evident by the pax entry door just forward of the left wing below the cheat line.

You are correct. P4-MED was one of two PSA "Mother Grinning Birds."

Someone needs to paint a smile on the L10 in Tucson.

[Edited 2012-11-06 22:22:53]

User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
I read that it has corrosion issues.

Are you talking about the L10 or the 74SP?



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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
5 L-1011s were ordered by PSA with the lower-deck lounge but they only took delivery of 2. The other 3 were cancelled at a late stage and delivered to German leisure carrier LTU (now part of Air Berlin). PSA only operated the 2 L-1011s for less than a year. It made no sense for PSA to operate widebodies, and even less so with lounges, when their longest flight was roughly 90 minutes and most were shorter.

The biggest reason that the L-1011 did not work for PSA was the rising fuel costs. When ordered, PSA was paying 9-11 cents per gallon, but with the fuel crisis that began in 1973, Shell cut back deliveries to PSA and raised the price of fuel to 30 cents per gallon.

The other hindrance to fitting into the PSA operation was most thru flights were on the ground for only 20 minutes and even turn arounds went back into the air in about 30 minutes. It was not practical to do the same ground times with the L-1011 and PSA's schedule included many city pairs with frequent (in some cases hourly) departures.

N10112 (now N787M) went into service in August of 1974. N10114 was delivered in August 1974 but was used for a Lockheed Promotional trip including a visit to the Farnborough Air Show. It began regular service with PSA in October 1974. Both aircraft were pulled from the schdule in April 1975 where they sat at the PSA Hanger in SAN for a while before being sent to Marana.


25 United_fan : The -SP in Tijuana.
26 HPRamper : Soon to be retired and replaced by an MD10 from FX. Yikes, like being in steerage on the Titanic.
27 United727 : What's the general condition and MX state of 87M? Anyone want to take a ballpark stab at the cost of engine upgrades and a Heavy Check!?!?
28 PSAJet17 : There was more to the lower area than just the lounge. A section was set up so you could bring you own bag on board and place it in the rack. Upon ar
29 Post contains links longhauler : It looked like a pleasant place to spend time. http://www.psa-history.org/hangar/l10.php?pic=60
30 TZTriStar500 : I read the article and it states Operation Blessing aircraft were used and they had other leased aircraft for relief efforts. This aircraft was alway
31 Post contains links and images DL_Mech : That picture is of a Lockheed mockup, however the two pictures lower in the page is of the real lounge in the airplane (note the ashtray in the side
32 zippyjet : These are/were the Orbis flying "eye" hospital. I believe Orbis if still dicing and splicing flies MD-11's. I could be wrong. A noble endeavor none th
33 PSAJet17 : Actually this aircraft was never delivered to PSA...it was the 5th of 5 ordered but PSA only took delivery of the first two. Original registration wa
34 Post contains images Skydrol : This link shows the layout of the lounge: Interesting... What was the winning name for the lower lounge? It was to be announced no later than November
35 Post contains images TZTriStar500 : Since this discussion mentioned the lower deck lounge, here is a photo I found at an airline collectibles show presumably from either a mockup or the
36 chrisair : God damn, that uniform. That's why I absolutely love(d) PSA. Plus it (and AirCal) were "hometown" airlines, even though I'm from Northern California.
37 Post contains links and images akelley728 : I did a search of a.net threads on the Flying Hospital going back almost ten years. In every single thread you claim that the Flying Hospital never d
38 Post contains links akelley728 : You are right about Pat Robertson and the diamond mining, the reference to the 747SP threw me off. However, the L1011 was not used in that operation
39 DL_Mech : True, but it was built to PSA specs and painted in the PSA livery at the factory. From the photo that I posted, I'm surprised that LTU never modified
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