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Small Plane Collides W/ Car On Approach  
User currently offlinejalapeno From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dento...ht-on-Tape-Roanoake-177177461.html



"Home video reveals a serious safety concern on a roadway that lets motorists drive under planes landing and taking off from Northwest Regional Airport. "
via WFAA.com

[Edited 2012-11-04 17:22:40]

112 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Wow, I'm surprised they would have a road cross right next to the runway. Thats a very serious safety issue since it doesn't seem like making cars stop is enforced. Was the aircraft approaching too low? . Glad everyone came out alright.


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User currently offlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting jalapeno (Thread starter):
Small Plane Collides W/ Car On Approach

You phrased that correctly. The student pilot was way too low on that approach. The aircraft can be seen setting down on the displaced threshold. Sorry, but pilot error.



Slower traffic, keep right
User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 2):
You phrased that correctly. The student pilot was way too low on that approach. The aircraft can be seen setting down on the displaced threshold. Sorry, but pilot error.

Perhaps setting down on the displaced threshold because its forward momentum was suddenly brought to a halt by impacting a car?


User currently offlineMeanGreen From United States of America, joined May 2006, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

I got my instrument raiting at this airport (52F) and I have flown the plane in question. This is a small uncontrolled strip and the road is the only way to get from the west side of the field to the east side. There are signs that tell drivers to give way to all aircraft. The SUV had no business being there.

User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

I know of two airports in similar situations to this, luckily they're both relatively small unused private airports but still, it wouldn't surprise me if something like this happened at one of them.

And regarding this situation, there is a lot of fault, the pilot was low, the car pulled out in front of the plane but the biggest thing of all is that this should have never been allowed to happen because either that road should have been moved or that runway should have. I think that the airport is at the most fault in this situation.



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Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4812 times:
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We have an airport like this in Larimore, ND 2L1. There is a road just short of the runway. If you are a little low and there is a truck on the road you're going to have a bit of a problem. Though one has to wonder why the pilot didn't anticipate the car crossing after seeing it. If I felt at any point it was going to be close I would just make a go around.
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User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 6):
Though one has to wonder why the pilot didn't anticipate the car crossing after seeing it. If I felt at any point it was going to be close I would just make a go around.

The article said the pilot was on his first solo flight, I would have been fully concentrating on the runway and getting the plane down at that point of flight, and not tracking a vehicle along a road. To have his eyes tracking the car to see if it wasnt going to stop would take away the concentration needed to land the plane, especially on a first solo flight.



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User currently offlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 3):
Perhaps setting down on the displaced threshold because its forward momentum was suddenly brought to a halt by impacting a car?

Based on information from airnav.com, the displaced threshold is 400ft. long and the road is 30ft. from the end of the runway. So the pilot would have had to have been approximately 6 feet off the ground at 430ft from the threshold of the runway. Is that a proper approach descent?

Quoting louA340 (Reply 7):
To have his eyes tracking the car to see if it wasnt going to stop would take away the concentration needed to land the plane, especially on a first solo flight.

If I remember correctly, during flight training they tell you, "If you're looking at it (a fixed position), odds are, you will fly to it." If the pilot was watching the car, then the pilot was going to fly into the car.

[Edited 2012-11-04 20:56:23]


Slower traffic, keep right
User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3828 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 3):
Perhaps setting down on the displaced threshold because its forward momentum was suddenly brought to a halt by impacting a car?

Something deep inside of me tells me you're joking. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.



I know the SUV didn't stop but what the HECK is the pilot doing 6ft. off the ground 430ft. from the threshold of the runway!? That is beyond unacceptable.

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 2):
The student pilot was way too low on that approach. The aircraft can be seen setting down on the displaced threshold. Sorry, but pilot error.

he was barely going to make the pavement even if he didn't hit a car.


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

When I was doing my private pilot training at Falcon Field (FFZ) there was a road right across one of the busiest taxiways. There were stop signs, flashing red lights below the stop sign, a warning sign that aircraft do not stop and Bott's dots (raised bumps on the roadway seen in areas that don't need snow plows) warning drivers to stop. I can't tell you how many times I was taxiing in and cars drove right on thru without stopping. Sometimes I'd get honked at and given the finger. If a vehicle did stop a lot of times they treated it like a 4-way stop and took off right in front of crossing airplane traffic. I almost put the prop into more then one cars windshield that did that to me. The road is now closed across the taxiway which makes for a very long drive from one side of the airport to the other but unfortunately it had to happen before someone got killed.

User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

Looks like an XC90.

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User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Here's a video of a landing there at 52F,

http://youtu.be/YYlIdsFU8_U

don't see a problem if you land beyond the displaced threshold, the accident pilot obviously was low and short, so pilot error on this one. Even if you are concentrating on landing, you gotta see that you are low and are on collision course with something. Hope he had good insurance.

Quoting jalapeno (Thread starter):
"Home video reveals a serious safety concern on a roadway that lets motorists drive under planes landing and taking off from Northwest Regional Airport. "
via WFAA.com

Here's a pic from the road, looks like something painted on road, "stop"? Maybe could be a little better signage here (is that car holding on the other side?).

http://i47.tinypic.com/34g0gar.png



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User currently offlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2374 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3066 times:
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The Volvo didn't stop and the plane was too low on approach ... classic case of two mistakes become one mishap!


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User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting louA340 (Reply 7):
To have his eyes tracking the car to see if it wasnt going to stop would take away the concentration needed to land the plane, especially on a first solo flight.

Agree

Quoting MeanGreen (Reply 4):
Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 10):
Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
I know the SUV didn't stop but what the HECK is the pilot doing 6ft. off the ground 430ft

Landing on their first solo.
A lot is happening on a first solo (mine was 30+ years ago, and I still remember how busy it was and I had 5000 feet and was the only plane in the circuit). Even for more experienced pilots a displaced threshold encourages a lower than normal approach (VFR) since the visual picture is that the runway is closer than it is. Landings on displaced threshold runways are much more frequently on the numbers than other runways and it's common to see power added in order to make it to the numbers in the fisrt place. It's not necessarily correct, but the visual is hard to overcome, and it does lessen the chance of overrun if the displacement has significantly reduce the runway length (no idea if that is applicable, but I guess that the displaced threshold was a reaction to the road traffic).

Considering that the driver did not consider the signs that MeanGreen reports plus the experiences of skywaymanaz plus the experiences we all have had with on road drivers not paying attention to rules, warnings, and road conditions, it looks like the driver chose not to consider the surroundings - and would possibly have driven through even if it was a 747 with a wing on fire.

Would suck to get that far through the solo and then having it end that way. I will not second guess his reasoning (didn't happen to me, personal choices, etc., etc.), but it is unfortunate for all of us that he has had to end his training.



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User currently offlineskygirl1990 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2010, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

One thing I would like to potentially add... It looks to me that the windsock is indicating a slight tailwind?

Surely that wouldn't be the case for a first solo?



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User currently offlinebthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

My 2 cents:

Pilot was too low, but he was a student - everyone learns at somepoint.

Car shouldn't have been crossing but the STOP signs shown in the video are barely visible - airport needs better safety measures.

As in all these cases it shouldn't get to the point where an accident has to happen for something to be done. Be interesting to see how the insurers wrangle this out. From what I can tell both had right of way due to the privately-owned nature of the road and it might actually come back to inadequate measures by the airport.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 8):
Based on information from airnav.com, the displaced threshold is 400ft. long and the road is 30ft. from the end of the runway. So the pilot would have had to have been approximately 6 feet off the ground at 430ft from the threshold of the runway. Is that a proper approach descent?

If he wanted to land on the displaced threshold, yes. If the airplane is 6' above the road, that is measured at the static port for the altimeter, the landing gear is much below that level. Cars are 5'-6' tall,so there is a conflict there.

Quoting bthebest (Reply 17):
Car shouldn't have been crossing but the STOP signs shown in the video are barely visible - airport needs better safety measures.

The airport doesn't own the roadway, so they cannot control it.


User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2726 times:
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Wait till you guys read the original reporting...

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dento...ow-hes-a-little-low-177129811.html



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 2):
The aircraft can be seen setting down on the displaced threshold. Sorry, but pilot error.

Negative!...Not pilot error!...Even if he was the runway was hot...(aircraft right of way over vehicular airport traffic) if the vehicle driver was aware of what he was doing and where he was doing it he would have "clearly" seen and ainticipated the potential of a landing aircraft. Pilot= Lucky, vehicle driver =blind/stupid.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6070 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

No one has said anything about the lack of extended flaps. Without them, he's going to be making a shallow approach like that.


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User currently offlinefutureatp From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Good catch on the flaps.

User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting louA340 (Reply 7):
The article said the pilot was on his first solo flight

I'm sure he'll never forget this solo! I wonder if he is a member here, it'd be great to hear his side of things.

I wonder if the driver of the car was on the phone at the time and if so if the owner of the plane could pursue legal action against the driver. Either way it's lucky no one got seriously hurt.



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User currently offlinebthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
The airport doesn't own the roadway, so they cannot control it.

That's probably the biggest problem - that the airport doesn't have control over the road. Maybe they should consider cutting the runway length, 3500ft could easily be cut down and still be available for most aircraft. Barring that, they do control the land right next to the road so could put plenty of signs up!

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 20):
Even if he was, the runway was hot...(aircraft right of way over vehicular airport traffic)

This wasn't airport traffic so no right of way exists.


25 Post contains links kalvado : I am not an expert, but looks like 6 feet object 400 feet from displaced threshold is within FAA runway design requirements - http://www.faa.gov/docum
26 Post contains images airtran737 : I am guessing that the GPWS aural alert was ignored, as well as the glideslope waring alert. What? A 172 doesn't have them?? Ok. Let's put this one on
27 MeanGreen : The lack of flaps is normal for the flight school in question. When I trained there many years ago they required no flap landings. I can't remember th
28 Post contains links Gulfstream650 : When landing - pilots often get 'tunnel' vision (especially when on solo) as they are solely concentrating on the runway on which they are to land. I
29 rfields5421 : The airport is busy enough that it has a pattern and flying with a slight tailwind is quite common. As an uncontrolled airport, turning the airport w
30 zeke : A runway is more the just the paved area, it normally includes an unpaved area around the sides. They also say there is a 10' hill 200 ft on approach
31 Post contains links rfields5421 : On Oct 11, an aircraft taking off at the airport had issues overran the runway end, crashed through one fence and flipped over after hitting another
32 crazyro : Did you guys watch the news report video? Amazing exchange after the crash... --- In the aftermath of the crash, airport manager Glen Hyde can be hear
33 Post contains links 777 : This reminds me another crash occurred in 2010 in UK between a small airplane and a Volvo (again)! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...CAR-near-Nor
34 soon7x7 : Vehicular route had STOP signs and copy painted on the asphalt. No matter if the pilot was short, flaps , no flaps...no vehicle that in such close pr
35 soon7x7 : Lets hope both never hang around Maho beach!
36 kcrwflyer : How about a gate, much like a railroad crossing. I understand this was the pilots first solo landing, but if flying the approach properly was such an
37 unattendedbag : I wasn't in the cockpit, so I don't know what the altimeter read. By looking at the vehicle and the impact, the highest the pilot could have been was
38 as739x : If you watch the article it has his view. That exchange blows my mind. Agreed, how does the airport manager possibly think this is their fault. I'm v
39 unattendedbag : At BNA, we have a runway with a blast fence on each end. The blast fence can't duck, it can't move out of the way, it can't stop at a stop sign and w
40 steex : In looking at StreetView (which is certainly not guaranteed to match real conditions today), I don't even see a stop sign, just paint on the pavement.
41 777222 : I'm no aerospace engineer, so this is pure speculation on my part, but here's my question. Watching the video, the plane looks relatively stable on ap
42 Post contains images JHCRJ700 : I am.
43 tp1040 : It was an accident. As stated earlier, the runway was hot and the SUV driver had no business being where he was. There are any number of aviation reas
44 Post contains links rfields5421 : I want to emphasize AGAIN - this driver and his wife were familiar with the airport and the danger of crossing that road when an aircraft was landing.
45 sprout5199 : Looks to me like the winds were light and variable, and just before he crosses the fence, looks like a gust creating a tailwind. That made him lose li
46 T prop : It's not the pilots fault, yes he's a little low but the driver is supposed to stop for the reason we see in the video. If conflict with approaching a
47 Goldenshield : When was the last time that you've made a zero-flap landing in a 172/182?
48 kalvado : There is a 4' fence on the other side of the road, plane probably cleared that by a foot or so. . Should someone hit that fence, would it still be fen
49 kcrwflyer : Me too.
50 DiamondFlyer : A zero flap landing in a 172 is a non-issue. Doesn't make a bit of difference, IMO, unless you are operating 100% of the edge of the performance, whi
51 bueb0g : Nope. First solo cross country. You've approached this logic from the wrong angle. It's irrelevant what the altimeter says. Shouldn't be looking at i
52 unattendedbag : And you hit a car every time?? No! You knew what you were doing and you touched down PAST THE RUNWAY THRESHOLD. What does that have to do with anythi
53 Goldenshield : I'm not unfamiliar with the performance of the 172, thanks. My point is, he's got no flaps, a higher approach speed, and he's going to float a bit in
54 DiamondFlyer : You have zero idea if he was going to touch down on the displaced threshold or not. The ground effect of a light airplane is profound, and its entire
55 burnsie28 : Looking at the sat view, the plane was way too low, that airport has a displaced threshold.
56 Goldenshield : Thanks for patronizing. And having no clue about aircraft performance.
57 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Another collision at that airport made the news in 2008, except the other "vehicle" only had 3 wheels. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356176,00.h
58 unattendedbag : Apparently, neither did the pilot.
59 Goldenshield : No, he knew what he was doing---even if he looks a tad low, real or imagined.
60 unattendedbag : I'm trying to understand why this doesn't happen every time a car drives across the approach when a plane is on final. I can't imagine this is the fi
61 Pygmalion : The runway landing threshold is about 450 feet farther down the runway. The pilot should have been about 20' feet higher if he wasnt aiming to land wa
62 soon7x7 : Flying an airplane presents many more unseen variables than driving a vehicle that is firmly planted on the ground. I have been flying 30 years and d
63 flight152 : A standard altimeter in a 172 does not measure height above the ground, in addition one would NOT be looking at the altimeter that close to the groun
64 Goldenshield : Here is my question: Why is it the policy of this FBO to teach no-flap landings as standard, as opposed to non-standard, like the rest of the world?
65 KBJCpilot : I remember when I was a brand new student pilot and working on my landings and how difficult they were to figure out. Especially entering ground effec
66 bthebest : You could just have a simple gate like in a field. At least the driver would have to get out to open it, and then notice any aircraft. Ultimately it
67 MikeCT : If it is true that the school in question does indeed teach flapless landings as standard (why??), it's very possible this was "normal" to the pilot.
68 Maverick623 : You're getting there. This accident is TEXTBOOK Swiss cheese scenario. You have four holes: an inexperienced student pilot, an inattentive or ignoran
69 tribird1011 : Actually, it is available for touchdown (at least in Canada it is, but I figure FAA would be similar), but it is the pilot's responsibility to make s
70 rfields5421 : I had a flight instructor who used this airport as a bad example. To never trust folks are going to stop, that an aircraft lined up to take off isn't
71 sccutler : Hard to grasp driving across the approach end and not looking towards the approach; it is very obvious. Nonetheless, the main message is that we're bl
72 Gatorman96 : Lesson learned, fortunately with no loss or life or serious injury. Both parties are at fault in this situation. The pilot was clearly too low, not su
73 DiamondFlyer : Which is a terrible method to teach people to fly GA aircraft. They should be flying power off approaches in such a method they can reach the runway
74 Kaiarahi : Where did you get the info that it teaches no-flap landings as standard? There are all kinds of reasons to use non-flap landings: for example, if I'm
75 Maverick623 : Only one (other than this) which happened at the airport itself. Hint: anytime anyone says "has ties to...", it means they're trying to imply a commo
76 type-rated : Nope, there is an 11kt difference between full flaps and no flaps in a 172 when landing. And once those barn door flaps are down you get a good sink
77 KC135Hydraulics : I was training in a T-41A (C-172) at my base's Aero Club and my instructor had me performing a mix of 10, 20, 30° and no flap landings regularly, and
78 Goldenshield : See reply 27.
79 Gatorman96 : I wasn't trying to imply a common cause, but the airport itself as the common denominator. I just don't think it's wise to ignore two accidents becau
80 Post contains images twincessna340a : In the US it is not available: AIM 2-3-3-h(2): "Displacement of a threshold reduces the length of runway available for landings. The portion of runwa
81 unattendedbag : Correct, the only thing the government (FAA) can do is displace the threshold. Oh wait...
82 Goldenshield : Using flaps 30/40 on final is a horrible way to teach pilots, what?? Also, at the airports that I used to fly at, by doing as you say, you're going t
83 rfields5421 : There have been several incidents, but not an usual high number for a GA airport with over 600 aircraft based there. Though this has been a bad couple
84 type-rated : Back when I learned to fly we weren't taught a "standard" landing. We were trained to land the aircraft with or without flaps and with varying amounts
85 DiamondFlyer : That's not the terrible part. The terrible part is flying a large pattern, with flaps and using power to drag the airplane to the runway, where other
86 kcrwflyer : Same here. I've landed clean, 10, 20, 30. Every situations different. Our 6,300 might as well be a lake bed for a Cessna, so I'm never uncomfortable
87 Post contains images Goldenshield : Okay, I see where you're going, and I agree. Pardon me while I do a 35 mile final glide.
88 Maverick623 : Eh? You cited 4 accidents and 6 deaths as a reason to re-evaluate the safety of the airfield, when the airport wasn't a factor or cause of 2 of them
89 type-rated : Oh yes there is. Because you need to learn basic airmanship before you can fly a jet. And there is no better way to do this than in a SEL plane. Yes,
90 Goldenshield : That's not my quote... despite my agreeing with it.
91 DiamondFlyer : Yes, basic airmanship, I'd agree with. There is no reason to teach techniques for flying a jet while flying a piston plane. In a basic piston airplan
92 Eightball : Exactly. The only real similarity between a 172 and a 777 is that they're both fixed-wing aircraft.... That's it.
93 Md88Captain : Displaced threshold, road to close, woman driver doesn't stop, plane too low, no flaps... 92 posts of yada, yada, yada. Nobody has yet stated the most
94 Flyer732 : Well...he did land to a complete stop...just minus the landing gear.
95 airtran737 : Why the hell don't we have a ''like'' button on here?
96 iFlyLOTs : I wonder what the CFI wrote in the remarks section...
97 airtran737 : Solo X-Country w/short field landing
98 type-rated : Sometimes the a.net quote thing doesn't work right. It attributes quotes to other than the original persons quote. I've seen this on varying threads.
99 type-rated : If the pilot made it to the cross country destination and was returning he won't have to do the x-country again. BUT, I can tell you that the FAA wil
100 steex : They could pretty easily provide adequate horizontal clearance and use a frangible coupling. Pavement markings can't be a legal replacement for a sto
101 Goldenshield : You know, A 2 foot yellow on black sign on both sides of the road, like they already have at GA airports to idenity the runway safety, accompanied by
102 Post contains images Maverick623 : Remember, this displaced threshold is a usable part of the runway.... it's just not suitable for landings in that direction because of obstacle clear
103 Post contains images steex : I don't disagree with your suggestions, but given that we're dealing with a roadway that isn't actually part of the airfield, best practice would def
104 type-rated : At DWH, the taxiways are shared with autos & trucks. The only traditional stop signs mounted on poles are on the exits from the airport adjacent t
105 YXD172 : I've always been taught to treat them as suitable for take-off or landing roll-out, but not for touchdown. This is because it is usually displaced du
106 peterinlisbon : I wonder if the pilot only saw the car at the last moment, as it came from the side at a pretty high speed and he would have been looking ahead toward
107 rcair1 : You should learn and be comfortable with landings in all configurations. It would be bizarre if they did not allow usage of flaps. Yep - I was taught
108 Post contains links 71Zulu : New development in this case, apparently the displaced threshold was removed and the pilot may have been on the correct glidepath. http://www.wfaa.com
109 type-rated : Why don't they just relocate the road on the other side of the fence? It shouldn't be too hard to do.
110 rcair1 : Ownership
111 Post contains images rfields5421 : I'll repeat this again. The road is NOT part of the airport. The road is NOT a public street. It is a privately built road on private property which
112 Post contains links unattendedbag : http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...ef.aspx?ev_id=20121103X14112&key=1 no finding of fault yet.
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