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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11  
User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 28607 times:
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The old thread 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10 (by wilco737 Oct 5 2012 in Civil Aviation) was rather long, so please continue here in Part 11

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 28727 times:

I've made changes to my tablse on the blog to reflect the current status of the 787s waiting to be delvivered.


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User currently offlinecosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 28599 times:

If CAAC has issues about 787 certification, CAAC should just publish what they have concern with and let everybody make their judgement. If they are valid, I am sure there will be a lot of support to make the sky safer.

Again if it is certfication issues related, FAA could also publish what CAAC brought up.

Just wondering why all these silence about mothballing the 787s.


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 28547 times:
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Quoting cosmofly (Reply 2):
If CAAC has issues about 787 certification, CAAC should just publish what they have concern with and let everybody make their judgement. If they are valid, I am sure there will be a lot of support to make the sky safer.

That's not how the Chinese roll. They will be more subtle and use their considerable leverage in all sorts of different areas of our Govt. That is assuming this is the hold up.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11669 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28191 times:

Quote:
They are probably removing the interiors to perform the electrical and A/C ducting rework. a good part of the interiors are common to all customers so I think it's smoke.

True, but the case of LN11, LN18 and LN22 is different. Boeing moved those frames back into storage after they did some work on it. Maybe they stripped the interiors and used it for the new frames, meaning LN11, LN18 and LN22 and maybe LN15 will go to another customer.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 27978 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the production aircraft, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

33 Delivered to 7 Airlines

Deliveries Prior to November:
NH-16; JL-6; AI-3; ET-3; LA-2; UA–2; QR-1

Next Up (Tentative - Subject to Change):
L/N 44 - ET-AOP - 11/xx/2012 - ET #4
L/N 61 - SP-LRA - 11/09/2012 - LO #1
L/N 50 - N20902 - 11/xx/2012 - UA #3
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 11/xx/2012 - LA #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 55 - N26905 - TBD - UA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 78 - SP-LRB - TBD - LO #2 Awaiting first flight

Also "Next Up" but not being accepted right away by the airlines:
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ - TBD - AI #4
L/N 60 - VT-ANK - TBD - AI #5
L/N 65 - VT-ANL - TBD - AI #6
L/N 72 - VT-ANM - TBD - AI #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 64 - A7-BCL - TBD- QR #2
L/N 57 - A7-BCA - TBD - QR #3
L/N 62 - A7-BCC - TBD - QR #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 82 - A7-BC? - TBD - QR #5 Awaiting first flight

Please note that I have removed the Chinese aircraft from the “Next Up” list since they are being put in storage…


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27979 times:

It is shocking to me that of the 19 aircraft that have completed production and change incorporation, 13 of them are for airlines that aren't taking delivery of them in a timely manner: AI, QR, HU & CZ. That is 68%! That has to be unprecedented for this type of program. The production seems to be clogged with aircraft for these four airlines...

It will be nice to get some more "normal" airlines as operators so Boeing can deliver planes at a pace that reflects it's production and change incorporation rate. Too bad that after LO takes delivery, it will be a while until BY and AM takes their first.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1823 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27963 times:

QR is always a hassle for any program, AI is mostly financial, the Chinese carriers would probably love to take their frames but someone higher up is calling the shots now.

User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27971 times:

Does anyone know what will happen to AT 787 ln17 & 19, will they wait for theirs or be given new slots and/or new builds?

thx


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27983 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 8):
Does anyone know what will happen to AT 787 ln17 & 19, will they wait for theirs or be given new slots and/or new builds?

Rumor has it that they' will take new builds and that those frames will go to other customers.



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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27964 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9):



thank you NYC777


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11669 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27980 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 10):
thank you NYC777

You can read more about it on http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/ram...efers-787-delivery-until-2014.html



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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27977 times:

It's strange that Boeing didn't comment on schedule change for AT, usually we are used to the other way around from AT, they never comment on anything even that famous hard landing at JFK in 2009, well anyway they are trying to sell 44% of its stake that no one will buy same as strangely their 4 A321 still didn't find a buyer since March through falko

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 27977 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 12):
It's strange that Boeing didn't comment on schedule change for AT, usually we are used to the other way around from AT, they never comment on anything even that famous hard landing at JFK in 2009, well anyway they are trying to sell 44% of its stake that no one will buy same as strangely their 4 A321 still didn't find a buyer since March through falko

It's Boeing's policy not to comment on customer deliveries.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 27984 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 5):
Please note that I have removed the Chinese aircraft from the “Next Up” list since they are being put in storage…
Quoting cosmofly (Reply 2):
If CAAC has issues about 787 certification, CAAC should just publish what they have concern with and let everybody make their judgement. If they are valid, I am sure there will be a lot of support to make the sky safer.

So CAAC/ CZ and HU are going to be our new "Airlines that shall not be named"   



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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 27979 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
So CAAC/ CZ and HU are going to be our new "Airlines that shall not be named"

Seriously. Charleston must be planning a parking annex.

Has the been any chatter over why the CAAC has a problem with the 787? Are they having an issue with the investigation into the problems with the GenX?



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 27991 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
So CAAC/ CZ and HU are going to be our new "Airlines that shall not be named"   

Seriously....   



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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 27962 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
So CAAC/ CZ and HU are going to be our new "Airlines that shall not be named"


More like "Aviation Administration that shall not be named." Unlike AI, which certainly contributed to its delivery delays, CZ and HU appear to be pawns in an Anglo-American/Sino chess match.

[Edited 2012-11-05 12:10:34]


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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 27970 times:
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Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 17):
Anglo-Sino chess match

Er, I think that should read Yank-Sino chess match as Anglo refers to England as in Anglo Saxon etc!  


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 27970 times:

I wonder if this Chinese issue has to due with the presidential campaign and Romney's threat to China...we will see if it goes away after the election, if Obama wins...

User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 27967 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 18):
Er, I think that should read Yank-Sino chess match as Anglo refers to England as in Anglo Saxon etc!

I thought the same, but looked it up. Apparently, Anglo can refer to "a white person who lives in the U.S. and is not Hispanic." With that said, I've edited the post to "Anglo-American" to differentiate from "Anglo Saxon" all the more to show that we are two nations divided by a common language.

[Edited 2012-11-05 12:13:16]


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 591 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 27971 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
I wonder if this Chinese issue has to due with the presidential campaign and Romney's threat to China

And/or, the high Japanese content in the 787? Japanese-Chinese relations are very frayed at the moment over disputed islands and rights to surrounding natural resources. Its my understanding that the drama is being played out on economic fronts, as well as, the diplomatic/military confrontations. The 787 may be one of those battlefields...

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
if Obama wins...

You mean, "when" Obama wins, don't you?   

[Edited 2012-11-05 12:26:03]

[Edited 2012-11-05 12:38:41]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 27981 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 21):
You mean, "when" Obama wins, don't you?

If I say "when", I will jink the election and then he won't win and I will have to move to Canada...and Chicago is cold enough for me...  


User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 27978 times:
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Quoting petera380 (Reply 18):
I wonder if this Chinese issue has to due with the presidential campaign and Romney's threat to China



From what I have read I believe that the CAAC wants the FAA/CAA to relax their rules to make it easier for the Chinese to get their own aircraft certified in the West. The CAAC standards appear to be lower then the standards used in the West.


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 27967 times:
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Quoting petera380 (Reply 23):
From what I have read I believe that the CAAC wants the FAA/CAA to relax their rules to make it easier for the Chinese to get their own aircraft certified in the West. The CAAC standards appear to be lower then the standards used in the West.

If that is the case, the 787's for the Chinese airlines will be sitting in storage and on Boeing's books for a long time.


25 Stitch : The 777 has a fair bit of Japanese-sourced content. Even if the FAA did loosen their standards, that wouldn't help with EASA certification. And since
26 fleabyte : "From what I have read I believe that the CAAC wants the FAA/CAA to relax their rules to make it easier for the Chinese to get their own aircraft cert
27 NYC777 : Other airlines will fly into China (i.e. United with service from LAX to Shanghai next year) While foreign airlines are flying the 787 (and other mode
28 ual747-600 : I don't understand how the Chinese gov't can keep their domestic airlines from taking delivery of their 787's on certification issues and yet let ANA
29 SonomaFlyer : It's not as simple as refitting for another carrier and "reallocating" slots to other carriers. If Boeing were to take the step of taking those a/c a
30 fleabyte : Thanks for your reply Sonoma Flyer but... I would think that In reality, China must buy aircraft from Boeing whether they want to or not, Airbus can n
31 WarpSpeed : And, it was certified for China decades before the Diaoyu or Senkaku islands tension escalated dramatically. There have been violent anti-Japanese pr
32 Ruscoe : How much money have the Chinese airlines paid Boeing already? I expect it could be quite a lot. Ruscoe
33 SonomaFlyer : I just don't think Boeing will be willing to run that risk. They will grind their teeth at keeping a/c in storage but the aircraft are needed to fuel
34 kanban : I think the country that shall not be named discussion on delayed deliveries should be a separate thread. we burn through these fast enough as it is e
35 etoile : Why are you excluding 1/3 of the U.S. population?[Edited 2012-11-05 19:01:44]
36 tdscanuck : Remove the customer-specific interior (sidewalls, seats, carpet, galleys, lavs, IFE). Install new customer interior. Change out the software. Re-regi
37 fleabyte : Hi TDS Canuck I did not realize the FAA had relaxed standards already in such a scenario? when was that and for what aircraft?
38 sweair : I hope we never trade safety for profits, the western world may be financially weak but we still have some morals left! This time I think the Chinese
39 Post contains images par13del : Well, if that is the case either they will never operate 787's or they must make accomodations elsewhere, I'm certain they know that Boeing will not
40 scouseflyer : I'm very puzzled that the Chinese seem to be picking fights with both A & B at the moment (remember that they keep trying to influence EU rules by
41 par13del : Will never happen, the politicians in the USA and the EU want / need Chinese money, so accomodations will be made elsewhere. It's called leveraging o
42 BlueSky1976 : I have a little update from various sources, regarding delivery of SP-LRA (Lot's first 787). As of now, it is scheduled for November 9, following by t
43 Stitch : It's not the FAA relaxing their standards. It's the FAA accepting at prima facia value the certification of another country's aviation certification
44 NYC777 : Anything on delivery of SP-LRB?
45 BlueSky1976 : Not yet, unfortunately. The only information I have is that SP-LRB and -LRC are to be delivered sometime in January, 2013. No exact dates have been m
46 Post contains links cosmofly : " “Some people say the CAAC is being tougher with Comac than the FAA would have been,” says that official. That should not be a surprise. The Chi
47 aeroblogger : In the case of Air India's delivery delays, AI is also a pawn in a chess match. It's just that the chess match is internal - between the Ministry of
48 Post contains images NYC777 : That's just great. Any fears in the Western World of India being an economic power house are put to rest by the actions of hte Indian Govt. Guess the
49 WarpSpeed : You're right, I should have just said Americans! The melting pot of the world. I'm sure "Sino" offended someone, somewhere, too.... Stepping back a b
50 sweair : ANA, JAL, UA,ET, QR and LOT will take some frames before years end, maybe they even get their frames a bit faster when others are putting up a show. B
51 Post contains links and images aeroblogger : Air India is most certainly a pawn. Management has no control over the airline - the Ministry micromanages the airline. Why? So that they can embezzl
52 tdscanuck : I didn't mean that the FAA had relaxed standards necessarily, just that different regulators have disagreed with each other and butted heads in the p
53 KarelXWB : Qatar has taken delivery of A7-BCA (LN57 / ZA460) and A7-BCL (LN64 / ZA463) yesterday.
54 sweair : Is there anywhere that we could get official confirmation of this? We have been fooled before, jumping the gun. But seeing how Qr whined about not ge
55 KarelXWB : It's confirmed by Uresh and a flight plan to VCV has been filled.
56 someone83 : How long is the IFE installation at VCV for the Qatar aircrafts expected to take?
57 KarelXWB : It was reported as "within 30 days". The first Qatar frame (A7-BCB, ferry flight to VCV on October 8) should be finished by now. /edit Wait, I assume
58 United787 : Well that is great news! I had wondered if we might see a double delivery from them... I think it is safe to move QR to the "normal" airline list for
59 petera380 : I believe it's 34 788 vs 32 748.
60 Stitch : It's 35: 3 in 2011 and 32 (to date) in 2012.
61 sweair : 34 is correct, only 1 QR frame delivered.
62 7BOEING7 : Only one flew away today, both delivered.
63 capri : With all the fuss going on with 787 since it started, i think the 8 turned out to be a rebel of all Boeing 7x7 series
64 Post contains links aeroblogger : For those of you who are interested in reading the tender AI has put out for the fresh bridge loan financing, you can read it here: http://mmd.airindi
65 WarpSpeed : The RFP's for the prior financings had the same no GoI guarantee language as in the link you provided (I reviewed them). Did the final agreements for
66 aeroblogger : Huh, I just went back and looked the earlier RFPs over, and sure enough, you're right. They all state that there is no GoI guarantee for bridge loans
67 Post contains links United787 : According to this thread, 34 748s have been delivered in total: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #10 (by wilco737 Oct 4 2012 in Civil
68 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN83 / ZA512 (ANA) finished final assembly. http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8168537272/in/photostream/
69 KarelXWB : Some updates: - The next Qatar frame (A7-BCK, LN62, ZA462) is now in paint on the flightline - The 5th Qatar frame for this year (LN82, ZA464) is insi
70 United787 : Is LO's first plane still scheduled for contractual delivery today?
71 Post contains links and images 7BOEING7 : Looks like UAL ZA286 is out on its C-1 (5 out of the last 7 airplanes have only flown a B-1 then on to customer ) and ETH ZA261 is on its 3rd and fina
72 NYC777 : It's my understanding that Boeing made contractual delivery to LOT today.
73 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : If that's the case this is the second 787 to have only one Boeing flight and one customer flight. This program is maturing rapidly. Quote from anothe
74 Post contains links United787 : Both KarelXWB and 7BOEING7 said 2 QR frames were delivered this week so I am going with it... As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and othe
75 sweair : Qr could have 5 frames by the end of 2012, do you guys think they will accept all this year, I think they only accepted 1 in November so far, 1 more i
76 Post contains images lightsaber : It looks like we are on course for over a hundred 787 deliveries in 2013. Finally building 'economy of scale.' I've been posting on various a.net thre
77 NYC777 : ZA460 is making another test flight today thus this aircraft has not been delivered to Qatar.
78 sweair : Parts for the first Thomson 787 is being loaded into FAL now, production to start in a week? Nice to see a multitude of airlines getting their 787s no
79 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like a C-2 coming up for QTR (not really unexpected) and ETH ZA261 is out for its (gulp!) C-4 -- some kids just never want to leave home. http:
80 ER757 : Don't know which aircraft number it was, but a QR 787 was at BFI today - saw it when I was headed northbound on I-5 around 09:00 and was still there
81 NYC777 : The one at BFI is ZA462 fresh from VCV.
82 Post contains images afriwing : It's being tweeted that QR officials are now heading to Seattle for the delivery ceremony of A7-BCB (QR's 1st delivery) This is the actual delivery, a
83 dynamicsguy : I know you're stirring, but I'll bite. No this is not. The actual delivery is when they transfer ownership, and that is what happened back then. What
84 justloveplanes : So is Chile going to be a mini-Dubai?
85 SCL767 : Indeed, LA is extremely happy with the performance of the 787s and will deploy them on routes to LAX very soon. However, LA is looking at opening two
86 NYC777 : Another LAN '87 is on the Flightline at Everett and should have its first flight soon.
87 SCL767 : Great. LAN expects to receive CC-BBC by the end of November which will accelerate the launch of 787 services to LAX.
88 Post contains links rwessel : Boeing has announced that they rolled out the first 787 at the 5/mo production rate last week, and stated that they'll be increasing production to 10/
89 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : The initial goal was 10 a month -- 7 at Everett without the surge line and 3 in S Carolina. So since I imagine the surge line will still be in operat
90 Stitch : The original goal was 10 a month just at PAE. And Boeing have hinted that they could take (combined) production across both PAE and CHS beyond 10 per
91 rwessel : I can't read anything into Boeing statement that says they're expecting no further increases in production rate beyond 2013, or that 10/mo is their f
92 Post contains images KarelXWB : LN84 / ZA183 (JAL) at position 4 inside the 40-26 building. Here is LN83 at position 2 inside the 40-24 building, before moving to position 4 inside 4
93 kanban : I believe that Boeing is keeping it's mouth shut and reviewing the process of these first accelerations before sticking their neck out and making ann
94 7BOEING7 : I agree the initial goal was 10 at PAE but that went away in mid 2010 and since then it has been 7 and 3 without the surge line by the end of 2013. N
95 kanban : and look at what it cost them... maybe they're learning...
96 Post contains images lightsaber : Exactly. While initially it will be new routes to Europe that are exciting, I also see potential to OZ (long term, not for 3 to 5 years at a minimum)
97 SCL767 : LAN also sees major potential for growth on long-haul routes via Brazil. 2014 will be an interesting year for LATAM as LAN will receive 7 787s during
98 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN83 is already in paint, 4 days after FAL roll out. Became JA817A for ANA: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8180920763/ It looks like the rema
99 Post contains links BlueSky1976 : Small update on LO 787 deliveries, per airline CEO comments: SP-LRA - delivered 09.11.2012 SP-LRB - due "early" January 2013 SP-LRC - due "late" Janua
100 Post contains links and images United787 : According to Boeing, the QR 787 delivery took place yesterday, 11/12/2012. No mention of the other 1 or 2 contractual deliveries... http://boeing.med
101 KarelXWB : Now someone else says that JA817A is LN59. @NYC777 do you know which line number JA817A is?
102 NYC777 : This is the ceremonial delivery of the 11st '87 that was delivered contractually last month. QR has received two 787s, the third should be delivered
103 NYC777 : I put a call into my source and I'm waiting to find out.
104 BlueSky1976 : Apparently, the big feast will take place in Warsaw, hopefully... While Polish news outlets are reporting the delivery, industry services are awfully
105 United787 : Oops, I meant ceremonial delivery... I will correct the QR delivery date for #3 on my next post...
106 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Great! Thanks. Here is a picture of the ceremony: http://www.airlinereporter.com/2012/...qatar-airways-787-delivery-flight/ Al Baker with scissors in
107 flightsimer : We won't know what the true output of each assembly line is until they increase above 10 frames a year. Just because they have decided to use three l
108 United787 : I would be more concerned with Ray Conner (or any Boeing or Airbus executive) holding a pair of scissors next to Al Baker after the crap he pulls...
109 Post contains links ual747-600 : Does anyone know why UA N26906 is on the way to KBFI today? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26906 UAL747-600
110 NYC777 : LN 59 is in Stall 102 and painted. LN 83 is in the paint hangar LN 59 is JA817A.
111 KarelXWB : The main 787 assembly line inside the 40-26 building is certainly able of producing at least 7 frames a month. If the 777 line can do it, so can the
112 KarelXWB : Cool, thanks for the quick update. :D Test flight? Crew training? Some kind of ceremony at Boeing Field? It's not heading to PAE so I don't think som
113 7BOEING7 : Never said the original line can't handle it, just said they won't be producing as many on the main line at PAE as they said they would by the end of
114 sweair : The manager that had to leave told Charleston they would make 7 frames a month in the future, I can see 7+7 being the long term plan for Boeing. They
115 KarelXWB : Never? Boeing will be building 787 frames faster they are selling them. In the end, the backlog should be something around the current 777 backlog, a
116 Stitch : Travel work on currently-produced frames is said to be close to "norm" (you'll never have zero travel work) and we have seen some newer frames moving
117 KarelXWB : Well, the suppliers are able to deliver 4 frames to Everett and yet Boeing need an extra assembly line? Why not producing those 4 frames on the main
118 Post contains images Stitch : The main line is producing four 787s at a time. The surge line can't complete a 787 as it only has three positions, so the fourth position on the mai
119 KarelXWB : But not a month. In theory, the main line should be able to produce at least 7 frames a month. It was at 3.5 frames a month and Boeing activated the
120 tdscanuck : Everybody seems to be mixing up two different issues. There is line capacity (how much a line can produce in theory) and line rate (how much it's pro
121 Capt747ret : I read this blog all the time but rarely post so I’ll catch up with this long series of my personal thoughts. B has a large number of extremely smar
122 XT6Wagon : I expect to see the "surge" line stick around for a while even after they get to 7 frames a month on the primary line in Washington. Its just way too
123 kanban : To put that in perspective, some components from supplier start to delivery for installation are over 2 1/5 years in the making.. especially if forgi
124 someone83 : Yes, but still the main bottleneck is not the final assembly lines but the subsuppliers output
125 Post contains links SCL767 : Last night CC-BBC did a taxi test at KPAE: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8183859393/in/photostream. Hopefully CC-BBC has its first flight la
126 7BOEING7 : Actually if there is an "issue" after delivery it could be handled at BFI. They have people there qualified to do the work and available parking. Tha
127 Stitch : It's a special Employee Appreciation flight. There is also a tour of the PAE factory, which is why the plane flew to Seattle.
128 Post contains links NYC777 : First flight of ZA538 (for LAN) is scheduled for today at noon PT: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE538
129 KarelXWB : I was mixing things up indeed, thanks for the clarification.
130 sweair : It has been a bit slow on B1s lately? Sure many of the frames were Chinese and now stored, but there are a few better customers on flight line? I get
131 KarelXWB : Let's have a look: - LN44 / LN50 / LN54 / LN57 and LN60 are ready for delivery but I have no idea why it's taking so long (except for Air India). - LN
132 COEWR787 : I was on it doing EWR - IAH - EWR over the weekend. Had two wonderful flights, though both were delayed due to servicing issues.
133 sweair : I guess being an observer one gets impatient on progress. There was some serious action at the end of October however. Anyway it could be good to pre
134 KarelXWB : Boeing is working on it. 9 frames are undergoing change incorporation: 5 inside the EMC, 1 inside the 40-24 building and 3 outside the EMC. But the o
135 7BOEING7 : The paperwork for preflight and in flight checks was set prior to certification. The personnel know what to do and how to do it. Any major delays in
136 KarelXWB : @NYC777 Now LN59 is outside, do you know which frame has taken its place in Bay D?
137 NYC777 : Looks like BOE538 has an issue and is returning to PAE after only 20 minutes in the air.[Edited 2012-11-14 13:15:33]
138 NYC777 : Don't know yet.[Edited 2012-11-14 13:15:03]
139 sweair : Any airlines that have the "terrible teens" known yet? Will ANA take some more of the early ones?
140 NYC777 : LN 21 is in Bay D.
141 KarelXWB : So Boeing moved LN21 from 40-24 to the EMC. Interesting.
142 NYC777 : Not really. It was in 40-24 for a long time undergoing change incorporation but I don't think it can complete change incorporation there so they had
143 dynamicsguy : How do you define "ready for delivery"? Some of those are close and some aren't. Some are closer than you think.
144 mad99 : I know, i'm lazy Can someone please tell be when the first skyteam airline will get the 787? I mostly fly af klm but would use others if its on the 78
145 sweair : I guess now with China Southerns frames stored until CAAC will sort the certification issue Aeromexico/LN96 could be first to get the 787, their firs
146 mad99 : Thanks Can you provide a link for the blog?
147 Post contains links petera380 : The blog can be found at: http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
148 starrion : Is CAAC "sorting" the certification issue or is it on hold for political reasons? I think Boeing is storing the chinese frames with the expectation t
149 tdscanuck : It depends how far out the frames you want to pull out are. Firing orders typically aren't nailed down until about 6 months ahead so anything out bey
150 KarelXWB : LN45 / ZA285 finally finished change incorporation. This is the first UA 787 frame.[Edited 2012-11-16 00:35:19]
151 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
152 Post contains links NYC777 : Looks like ZA261 has been delivered today. It's supposed to leave from Everett tonight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH9201
153 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN's third 787 CC-BBC is scheduled for its B1 flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE538
154 7BOEING7 : About time, only 8 flights to get it ready to ship. Technically classified a B-2 but it will be doing the full B-1 profile.
155 NYC777 : Technically it is a second flight not a B-2 flight as it never completed the B-1 test profile.
156 Post contains links BlueSky1976 : Delivery of SP-LRB is apparently scheduled for the 5th of January, 2013. Source, in Polish - interview with LO's operations management team member
157 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZA261 is visible in a flightline video, taken on November 15. The one on flightaware must have been another frame? http://www.youtube.com/watch?featu
158 Post contains links KarelXWB : Hainan Airlines expects 787 delivery to be delayed to 2Q2013. http://centreforaviation.com/news/ha...ery-to-be-delayed-to-2q2013-188654
159 starrion : FTA: HNA Group chairman Chen Feng previously said the carrier may change its 787 order to the 747-8 aircraft. Wow. Now that some change incorporation.
160 Post contains images frigatebird : Well, they were said to be behind a MoU for 15 748i's at Le Bourget last year. They did order 10 A380s, which they now apparently want to cancel. So,
161 flightsimer : Well that would be nice! 15 from their MOU and then a nice top off order to go along... That would be one 787 cancelation I would endorse!
162 NYC777 : Getting information that LN 60 will be delivered to Air India towards the end of next week at the latest.
163 817Dreamliiner : Matt Cawby tweeted a while ago that ET-AOP cancelled their take off clearance for their delivery flight, anyone know why?
164 Post contains links KarelXWB : I have no idea but ET-AOP is in the air now. http://nl.flightaware.com/live/fligh...1/history/20121121/0200Z/KPAE/HAAB
165 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : As well as ETH ZA261 (44) looks like QTR ZA460 (57) is heading south later today, so add that to the delivery list. http://flightaware.com/live/flight
166 catdaddy63 : Two B1 flights scheduled for this afternoon. ZA462 for QR, and ZA289 for UA.
167 Stitch : The weather has been craptastic all week - winds and heavy rains - so hopefully PAE is above the B1 minimums so the birds can get up.
168 ETinCaribe : By chance, I saw it on FR24 on my phone. However, it shows a LGG (Liege) stopover which does not seem to be correct. Anyone knows why? There is a 777
169 sweair : How does ET find its 787s I read about AI being very displeased with it. But Indians must be a hard crowd to satisfy, the posters here anyway.
170 kanban : don't take it out on the posters.. they're mostly reporting some nameless bureaucrat about unconfirmed gripes with little or no actual substance.
171 Stitch : Probably too early to tell. That's news to me.
172 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another UA delivery flight? http://nl.flightaware.com/live/fligh...2/history/20121121/2000Z/KPAE/KLAX
173 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Yep, looks like UAL ZA286 (50) will be heading out and LAN ZA538 (80) should be off on its C-1 soon. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE538 Two B-
174 aeroblogger : Source please? AI is dealing with normal teething issues of a new fleet to be sure, but the economics of the aircraft speak for themselves...
175 Post contains links NYC777 : Yep, looks like UAL ZA286 (50) will be heading out and LAN ZA538 (80) should be off on its C-1 soon. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE538 Two B-
176 Post contains images KELPkid : Think that alone deserves a blog update. Don't you agree?
177 7BOEING7 : First let's get our nomenclature correct here--the first production flight of a Boeing airplane is a B-1 (whether it completes the full B-1 profile o
178 NYC777 : Today's flight, if it occurred, wasn't going to be a customer test flight flown by customer pilots. Boeing would still need to fly a B-2 profile befor
179 7BOEING7 : I guess you need to tell Boeing that they need to recall QTR ZA463 (64), ANA ZA511 (63), LOT ZA270 (61), UAL ZA290 (77) and UAL ZA 286 (50) as they a
180 NYC777 : Dude, what's with your attitude?
181 Post contains images sweair : LANs frame never flew so it was a B0 flight
182 Post contains links KarelXWB : The engines of another 2 frames were started for the first time. LN45 / ZA285: http://paineairport.com/kpae5639.htm http://paineairport.com/kpae5640.
183 dkny : I am sure ET is happy with the 787. They have been sending it on long missions to IAD and YYZ. It has even done ADD-YYZ non stop a couple of times.
184 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : QTR ZA460 (77) finally off and on its way to VCV http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR999
185 United787 : Looks like L/N 62 for QR never flew, is that correct?
186 NYC777 : Correct, probably will fly tomorrow
187 mham001 : Maybe that you directly contradicted his (apparent) professional knowledge, in which it appears he is absolutely correct. I know I was getting confus
188 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like LAN ZA538 (80) is up on its C-1 (???). http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE538
189 starrion : Boeing has gotten a nice bump recently from the rework frame deliveries. It looks like that will be coming to an end soon. There are only five of the
190 NYC777 : Boeing has gotten a nice bump recently from the rework frame deliveries. It looks like that will be coming to an end soon. There are only five of the
191 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA462 has a first flight in about 20 minutes. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE462
192 7BOEING7 : Looks like they're waiting on the wx. Ceiling has been below B-1 minimums for the last several hours.
193 Post contains links KarelXWB : Qatar 2nd 787 (A7-BCL) is on its way to DOH (delivery flight from VCV) http://www.flightradar24.com/QTR3787
194 Rheinbote : The 'surge line' in 40-24 is soon going to be turned into a dedicated 787-9 final assembly line, starting with LN126. Word is that China holds Boeing
195 Post contains links Stitch : As of last week, COMAC announced another major EIS delay for the ARJ21 because of “inexperience in certification in terms of methods and infrastruc
196 Post contains links United787 : I assume that since the B-1 for L/N 62 keeps getting postponed, that the weather isn't great as predicted. As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC
197 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Yesterday was ugly all day but the sun was out this morning -- QTR ZA462 (62) got airborne about an hour ago. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE4
198 Post contains links NYC777 : BOE239 filed what appears to be a C-2 flight http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE239[Edited 2012-11-24 11:35:23]
199 Post contains links and images Rheinbote : Stitch, you may find that press statements by the Chinese are quite inconsistent. Let us generously assume that this is due to a general lack of PR c
200 NYC777 : Just put a new 787 update summarizing the 787 update call from this afternoon.
201 ETinCaribe : I don't know for sure but I would think that they are fairly happy with it. And whatever issues they may have, we would not know about them as they w
202 Capt747ret : Concerning the 787-10; IMHO, yes it will be offered and built. That is a no brainer. When? I’ve heard soon, next few days and in a few weeks. I beli
203 Ruscoe : Good post. I love your positive confidence, and I agree the 10 will happen. I am wondering though if Boeing might think they can maximise sales by wai
204 parapente : 787 deliveries........ "Boeing has already delivered 35 787s through the first 11 months of the year, meeting the low-end of the company's guidance of
205 flightsimer : They said "this decade", at the latest, that would be 2019, 6 years max, not 8-10. Since its a simple stretch, I can see it being moved up to the 201
206 Stitch : If the Asian Aerospace show was still running, I'd have said that might have been a logical launch place for the 787-10 if they were securing orders f
207 Post contains images Mayohoo : IF B achieves its 10/m by the end of 2013, then by end of 2019 it will have burned through the 850 orders it has currently. 2011-12= 45 2013 at 5/m an
208 NYC777 : I just put up a new blog post with the updated firing order for LN 101 to LN 115.
209 Post contains images KELPkid : Any chances for any more deliveries this month?
210 United787 : I think we might see L/N 80 - CC-BBC - LA #3 delivered in the next few days
211 SCL767 : That is correct. The fourth 787 for LAN is L/N 113 CC-BBD and will be assembled in Charleston. On a side note, LAN expects to receive its first B-787
212 NYC777 : Can you confirm that ZA538 (LN 80) will be delivered this month? right now it's in the Everett paint hangar though I don't know why.
213 xaapb : Good morning Anyone knows why now LN96 will go for TUI Travel (Thomson)? LN96 was supposed to be ILFC / Aeromexico and it appears that LN115 will be t
214 7BOEING7 : There might have been some cuetomer issues with the paint and due to the tight scheduling of the paint hangar this may have been the only opprotunity
215 starrion : I presume that means that Air India got an insufficient funds notice from the bank again?
216 NYC777 : According to my source, one AI 787 is to be delivered by the end of this month. This info was as of last week but with AI who knows. There are still
217 xaapb : I see, well thats sad, we were expecting the first 787 for sometime between March or April, I guess this will pushback the date maybe untill July. Th
218 NYC777 : LN 115 should deliver in May. Certainly not July.
219 aeroblogger : We're unlikely to see an AI delivery this week.
220 Post contains images NYC777 : That figures
221 NYC777 : Matt Cawby is reporting that ZA382 (LN43, B-2727) is out of the South Ramp storage and is at the fuel dock. I'm not sure what this means but I'm going
222 Post contains links NYC777 : Looks like ZA538 (LN 80, CC-BBC) will be flying a customer flight tohis afternoon. First 787 activity since the past weekend. http://flightaware.com/l
223 7BOEING7 : C-2
224 Post contains images KELPkid : If it winters at PAE without protection, it will probably have moss growing on it and mildew stains come spring
225 Capt747ret : At least we will know which way North is!
226 Post contains images ER757 : Good one, but if you used that old nugget while hiking in the Cascades or Olympics, you'd quickly discover EVERY direction is north......
227 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA271 (LN 80, SP-LRB) is off on its B-1 flight today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271 And ZA462 (LN 62, A7-BCK) is supposed to have it's B-2
228 Post contains links and images SCL767 : CC-BBC was expected to be delivered to LAN by the end of November. However, CC-BBC is still at KPAE: http://paineairport.com/kpae5677.htm Hopefully C
229 United787 : Don't you mean LN 78?
230 NYC777 : Yes
231 Post contains links NYC777 : Boeing is plannig to fly ZA464 (LN 82, A7-BCC) on its B-1 flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE464
232 7BOEING7 : Wx was questionable but they're airborne now. If it "flies straight" we should have two QTR (ZA462 & ZA464) customer flights in the next week or
233 starrion : Alex, I'll take what is How many frames can they push through the IFE process at once? Will QTR accept the frames before they have a place to get the
234 NYC777 : Qatar has been accepting airfrmes and sending them down to Victorville one at a time. Though it might be etnirely plausible that they have to do this
235 Post contains links NYC777 : Boeing is planning another B-1 flight today. This time for ZA510 (LN 59, JA817A) for ANA. It was supposed to earlier but is delayed until 4:10pm local
236 7BOEING7 : Ceilings have been above B-1 minimums for takeoff all day. Looks like its an airplane issue, maybe tomorrow. A 1610 local takeoff would be too late f
237 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA510 now scheduled for a B-1 at 1PM local time today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE510[Edited 2012-12-04 13:36:03]
238 7BOEING7 : That was a quick fix.
239 aeroblogger : AI is considering deferring all deliveries until Boeing comes out with a permanent solution to the electrical issues. The current timeframe which Boei
240 mham001 : What are these electrical issues?
241 PlanesNTrains : The sarcastic side of me envisions us a year from now with AI once again deferring deliveries until the toilet flushes quieter, but the serious side
242 Post contains links Stitch : Do they even have the financing lined up to take more deliveries? Air India Summons Boeing Brass For Poor 787s (by deaphen Nov 24 2012 in Civil Aviat
243 NYC777 : Why haven't any of the other 7 carriers operating the 787 complained of electrical issues? It seems to me that AI is creating issues to buy more time
244 7BOEING7 : Not having seen any specifics listed anywhere, it's either something specific to AI's cofiguration or it's a "toilet flush" isssue everybody else is a
245 mham001 : That was nothing more than the usual vague rumor and innuendo. I was hoping for some substance here. If there really is a problem lurking, it would b
246 NYC777 : so the question in inquiring minds is what are these "electrical issues" that AI is complaining about. If these issues are so bothersome or a safety
247 Post contains images seabosdca : Problems with AI's lenders' calculators, which inexplicably make the numbers fail to pencil out for bridge loans that should have been a snap to unde
248 Stitch : Perhaps it's related to the IFE system or some other customer-specific system.
249 Post contains images mffoda : The electrical problems are simple... Its just that the 787 electric systems are so efficient (compared to the national grid in India), that they have
250 Post contains links NYC777 : Well there is this article saying that 787 delivereis to Air India will continue:
251 aeroblogger : Not sure. Finance Ministry has finally dropped opposition for a bunch of AI issues, but I'm not sure whether the original lender has pulled the loan
252 Post contains links kanban : Looking at Matt Cawby's site and the picture of the of the Lan planes in the fuel dock.. http://paineairport.com/kpae5700.htm The nearer one shows exi
253 7BOEING7 : Actually you're looking at a 767 in the foreground and a 787 in the background. I don't see any window issues.
254 Post contains images SCL767 : Now that's a great picture! Nice to see a LAN 767 next to a LAN 787!
255 seabosdca : Neat picture from Matt Cawby! Has a 767, 787, 777, and 747, in that order.
256 NYC777 : With the exception of the failed generator that occured two days ago, UA hasn't said anything about electrical issues since taking delivery so I don'
257 QatarA340 : How many 787s are QR going to get delievered in 2013? Does anybody know?
258 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA289 (LN 55, N45905) is making it's B-2 flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE289
259 NYC777 : They should be getting 6 in 2013 I believe.
260 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA287 (LN 52, N27903) is making it's B-1 flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE287
261 7BOEING7 : Actually based on the length of time since it's last flight and the profile being flow it's the C-1.
262 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA512 (LN 83, JA818A) to fly its B-1 flight today as well: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE512
263 NYC777 : Looks like low ceilings are getting in the way of the scheduled B-1 flights for now.
264 KarelXWB : 5 months? If it only were true. LN7 spent about 8 months at the EMC while LN45 spent 6.5 months at the EMC. And you need at least another month for p
265 NYC777 : ZA512 on its B-1 flight right now. Still waiting for ZA287 but so far it's flight plan has timed out.
266 Post contains links KarelXWB : ANA had some electrical problems with JA804A (LN9) in the beginning, but nothing serious. But I agree, AI is a little bit of a drama queen. http://at
267 Post contains images KELPkid : So, when does PAE get its crosswind runway back?
268 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA287 is on its B-1 flight right now. Boeing now has conducted 5 B-1 flights in the past 7 days (12/1 to 12/7 inclusive). http://flightaware.com/live/
269 sweair : Starting to look like September? Lots of activity after a slow period? How many will be delivered you think?
270 NYC777 : Think they'll deliver 8. If AI takes deliveries this month then it could go up to 10.
271 NYC777 : To the Mods: I think we need to get a Part 12 going for this topic as we're at 270 postings already.
272 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Not for a while im sure: View Large View MediumPhoto © Alevik
273 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : With ZA183 scheduled to fly a B-1 later this afternoon (if not tomorrow) and with almost 3 weeks to go to finish things off it looks real good to mak
274 starrion : Keep in mind that the Christmas holidays will dump most of the last week... I also doubt that Boeing will push to exceed guidance.
275 7BOEING7 : Although most of the Boeing Company is shutdown over the Xmas break, if there are airplanes that need to be flown to get delivered before the end of
276 NYC777 : Boeing can do a lot of flying over the next week and a half to prepare many of these airplanes for delivery during the week of Dec. 17th. But they can
277 seabosdca : Every 787 they deliver is tens of millions in cold hard cash. They have plenty of incentive to deliver every frame they can by year-end.
278 Post contains links and images SA7700 : This thread will be locked for further contributions as it has become quite long and in some instances difficult to follow. Please feel free to contin
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