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Korean Goes Double Daily A380 To LAX  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Well it was rumored the last week, but GDS load now shows KE will offer a 2nd daily ICN-LAX A380 service effective January 1st.

Added flight:

Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat/Sun
KE011 ICN-LAX 1950-1330
KE012 LAX-ICN 2350-0600+2

Appears this has been loaded so far only between January 1-31, with 77W shown being utilized in February again.


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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Err, isn't that 12x weekly?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

No - double daily five days per week.  


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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2882 times:

I used to have an impression that lack of 380 gate could have been the reason for why KE had only 1 daily operation into LAX. (KE may not needed that much capacity until now, though. And KE could use bus gate if necessary, though.) QF occupies both 380 gates every night. Now that the 3rd 380 gate opens (#134), the issue is gone.

User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2818 times:
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This was to be expected.... Probably go 3X daily in a couple of years

User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

I think the topic has been deleted, but is this the equipment that was supposed to be used on Atlanta? I know ATL spotters (including me when I jet through) are certainly disappointed!

Regards,

Team



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

I suppose yes this was expected sooner or later as not only is Los Angeles the largest US Pacific gateways but it is an especially important market from Korea with the local large ethnic community that has long supported multiple daily flights.

I did however figure KE would spread the A380 flying around a bit more then double up on LAX so quickly. But I guess, this is a bit of a lower risk choice for KE to utilize such large capacity.



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User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Nice. Doubt there will be a 3rd daily A380 though. The other two flights are ICN-NRT-LAX and ICN-LAX-GRU, which are operated by A330-200 and 777-300ER respectively.

The max seats KE has ever had at LAX was
ICN-LAX daily 747-400
ICN-LAX daily 777-300ER
ICN-LAX daily 777-200ER
ICN-NRT-LAX daily A330-200
ICN-LAX-GRU 3x weekly 777-200ER
ICN-LAX-LAS-ICN 4x weekly 777-200ER


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 7):
ICN-LAX-LAS-ICN 4x weekly 777-200ER

Is LAS now nonstop both ways or still a triangular routing ?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 7):
The max seats KE has ever had at LAX was
ICN-LAX daily 747-400
ICN-LAX daily 777-300ER
ICN-LAX daily 777-200ER
ICN-NRT-LAX daily A330-200
ICN-LAX-GRU 3x weekly 777-200ER
ICN-LAX-LAS-ICN 4x weekly 777-200ER

Thats a good list, however I'm not sure it adds up to max seats.

Remember flights like NRT-LAX were on the 744 for ages also before getting the 777, and then A330.
Matter of fact even flights like GRU used to be on 744 also during the 1990s. Also LAS has seen the 744.

So basically at one time everything to LAX was on a 747, before the introduction of the smaller twins across the Pacific by KE.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):
Is LAS now nonstop both ways or still a triangular routing ?

Vegas is 3x weekly 772 nonstop now.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Pretty cool news.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
No - double daily five days per week.

Does anyone else find the phrasing "double daily" just awkward? LOL



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User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 10):

Pretty cool news.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
No - double daily five days per week.

Does anyone else find the phrasing "double daily" just awkward? LOL

According to KE's website, the A380 is double daily, 7 days a week (14 weekly).


User currently offlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1507 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 3):
I used to have an impression that lack of 380 gate could have been the reason for why KE had only 1 daily operation into LAX. (KE may not needed that much capacity until now, though. And KE could use bus gate if necessary, though.) QF occupies both 380 gates every night. Now that the 3rd 380 gate opens (#134), the issue is gone.

Actually that STA timeframe will peak the Group VI gate usage. In addition to the new KE rotation, both AF (arr. 13:15) and SQ (11:50 - 14:10) will have A380s on the ground. Add in LHs new 748i (starting Dec, arr. 12:50).

Fortunately, LAWA anticipates opening another A380 gate (130) in December.



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User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2816 times:
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Are all flights usually full ? Mainly O&D pax ?

I'm amazed to see all the seats KE has in and out of LAX. It's certainly the largest capacity for an Asian carrier on the West Coast.

FB.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 11):
According to KE's website, the A380 is double daily, 7 days a week (14 weekly).

Seems to be a mismatch with GDS listing.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 13):
Are all flights usually full ? Mainly O&D pax ?

I'm amazed to see all the seats KE has in and out of LAX. It's certainly the largest capacity for an Asian carrier on the West Coast.

Well Los Angles has significant ties to Korea - per Census there are some 325,000 ethnic Koreans in Los Angeles alone, with many more nearby so its certainly a huge travel market.

Per DOT in 2011, some 893,932 folks flew LAX-ICN making it in the top-5 of US - Asia/Pacific travel markets.



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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 5):

I was under the impression that the ATL service was simply postponed until late 2013. Upon seeing this thread, it appears to be because KE wanted to use the equipment on LAX-ICN, and is just waiting for more deliveries before they start ATL-ICN. Is this theory incorrect; have plans for the A380 on ATL-ICN been completely shelved? I do admit that I will miss the passenger 747 service in ATL after the route gets replaced with the A380 (aside from seasonal DL service).


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2817 times:
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Congratulations to KE adding another A380 to their LAX schedules. It shows they have a strong demand from the LAX market.
How are the fares and demand out of ATL? Instead of the A380, could KE possibly send the 748 to ATL?
How many of the new TBIT gates are now open?


User currently offlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1507 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 16):
How many of the new TBIT gates are now open?

As of now, 134 is the only new contact gate open.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Yes KE is Huge at lax dont forget NRT-LAX KE 1 and KE 2 A330

User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 15):
I was under the impression that the ATL service was simply postponed until late 2013.

KE can replace 10 weekly 777 ATL flights into a daily 380. When KE loaded 380 on ATL-ICN, the 3/w night flights were blocked, but they were back and now 380 plan is postponed. I would welcome more frequency (hopefully, eventually 2 daily) than 380 on this route.

I think KE's next 380 will be LHR and remove 3/w LGW flights. Both flights have similar schedule, so less likely keep LGW-ICN.

By the way, on January only, 2nd JFK flight is also loaded as 380. KE currently has 5 380s, will add 1 next month, 2 in 2013.


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Are all of KE's A380s specced the same inside? I seem to remember them having a fairly "thin" configuration (for an A380, at least) so I guess that they're not dumping a huge number of seats onto the route, but I could be wrong.

User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2815 times:
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Quoting Newark727 (Reply 20):
Are all of KE's A380s specced the same inside? I seem to remember them having a fairly "thin" configuration (for an A380, at least) so I guess that they're not dumping a huge number of seats onto the route, but I could be wrong.

KE has the least dense config of all A380 operators.



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User currently offlinepuercaeli From South Korea, joined Sep 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 19):

Oh they are getting two next year!!! Did not realise that. Well it makes sense them to go double on both egg-yolk US route for KE.

Now I have just checked the schedule and particular day I am flying out from ICN to LAX(8th of Jan) is 77W for some reason... what a bad luck. One good thing is now I don't have to stay overnight to catch the A380 flight at least...


User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Very smart move for KE. Lunar New Year is just around the corner, with many Asian people going home for the long holiday it was worth KE adding capacity. I don't think KE will have a hard time filling up the back with lots of VFRs going home.

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