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All-white 777 At BFI?  
User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 782 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

On my way in to work I sometimes see an all-white 777 parked near the 787s at Boeing Field. Does anybody know what it's doing there?

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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Could it possibly be a test frame?

User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

This 777-200LR was built for Air Austral (original registration F-OLRB) but was not taken up.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1484 times:
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Quoting cargolex (Reply 2):
This 777-200LR was built for Air Austral (original registration F-OLRB) but was not taken up.

Why doesn't boeing make Delta an offer to add to its 777LR fleet. Boeing already had deposit money on the plane, how hard can it be to configure it to DL's specs.


User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

Airframe in question is going to ET

User currently offlinedkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 4):
Airframe in question is going to ET

Is this confirmed if so when will it be delivered?


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
how hard can it be to configure it to DL's specs.

The nonrecurrent engineering charges would likely make the pricing unattractive without multiple airframes to amortize the cost.

Boeing isn't very good at cost effective reconfiguration.
That is why places like Northwest Aerospace Technologies, Flight Strutures and Heath Tecna exist.

[Edited 2012-11-05 06:20:19]

User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Ok, thanks for filling me in on that.

User currently offlinestrangr From Australia, joined Apr 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

why does everyone just think make someone an offer to (insert american airline name here) take it.

I am sure boeing has a plan for a M$200+ item on its inventory. Its not like a $2 shop. Boein may want to keep it on hand for that moment when an airline is willing to pay above list price for it to get one quick. or a leasing company to buy it, or god forbid for an airline that needs it due to a write off.

In the first line (insert american airline name here) has gone bust because of deals like this in the past.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 6):
The nonrecurrent engineering charges would likely make the pricing unattractive without multiple airframes to amortize the cost.

But DL has the 77L. Merely retrofitting the interior/flight deck to DL specs and still selling it at a substantially reduced premium is an option DL should be highly interested in and Boeing looking for.

Quoting strangr (Reply 8):

why does everyone just think make someone an offer to (insert american airline name here) take it.

I am sure boeing has a plan for a M$200+ item on its inventory. Its not like a $2 shop. Boein may want to keep it on hand for that moment when an airline is willing to pay above list price for it to get one quick. or a leasing company to buy it, or god forbid for an airline that needs it due to a write off.

In the first line (insert american airline name here) has gone bust because of deals like this in the past.

The likelihood of an airline paying above list price for ANY airplane by ANY manufacturer is near nil. Sure an A/C insurance company 'could' find interest in replacing a hull loss, the time/cycle consideration would put the cost lower to pay the value of the lost A/C to the carrier than replace it with even a heavily reduced/subsidized airframe that Boeing is not likely to keep around anyway, nevermind the 777 line has encountered exactly how many 'hull losses' since inauguration? Helluva gamble.

IMO, this one will go to the first buyer willing to pay plus cost for it. Just as any retailer with extra product will be willing to sell it above cost to clear inventory.

My $.02



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User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1481 times:
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Quoting ATCtower (Reply 9):

That's not true! United bought some 747-451's and 757-251'a previously ordered by Northwest airlines UAL did NOT pay full price for the airplanes. Whatever the going rate is minus the progress payments is what they'll pay. Since Boeing doesn't build "White Tail" Airplanes


User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 9):
But DL has the 77L. Merely retrofitting the interior/flight deck to DL specs and still selling it at a substantially reduced premium is an option DL should be highly interested in and Boeing looking for.

Maybe DL doesn't need a 77L.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 10):
That's not true! United bought some 747-451's and 757-251'a previously ordered by Northwest airlines UAL did NOT pay full price for the airplanes. Whatever the going rate is minus the progress payments is what they'll pay. Since Boeing doesn't build "White Tail" Airplanes

What isnt true? I didnt say UA didnt buy those airframes, I merely said airlines will not pay over list price for them. In fact I said at the bottom of my post that the A/C will go to the first buyer offering anything over the cost Boeing incurred building it.

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 11):
Maybe DL doesn't need a 77L.

I didnt say they did. I think it is a reasonably fair statement it would allow them slightly higher A/C utilization on their ULH routes but never did I suggest they needed the frame, simply the cost to retrofit it to DL standards would not be so absorbinant as to be adversely beneficial for them to look at purchasing it.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):

they don't need it. Delta is going the other way in international flying.....

Quoting strangr (Reply 8):
why does everyone just think make someone an offer to (insert american airline name here) take it.

mostly because Delta has a large fleet of LRs....?



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