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Australian Aviation Thread # 65  
User currently offlineQF175 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 834 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 65. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Philippine Airlines expresses interest in commencing Darwin services
* Virgin Australia releases its new campaign - "The romance is back"
* Emirates introduces A380 services to Melbourne
* Qantas confirms schedule changes for its Sydney and Melbourne to London flights
* Qantas confirms cessation of Frankfurt services to now occur October 2013
* Dallas and Qantas' services
* Qantas to acquire 100% of Australian Air Express
* QF ditches interim request to plan and negotiate proposed alliance with Emirates
* Alan Joyce addresses the National Press Club
* Initial concerns about British Airways' future in Australia
* Malaysia Airlines confirms it will reinstate Perth-Kota Kinabalu services from late 2012
* Qantas announces changes to its International Business soft product
* An Air Canada 77L helps the rescue of a stranded Australian sailor
* Qantas announces a $30m upgrade of its Brisbane maintenance facilities
* Article in TravelToday signals a revised MAR13 start of Air India services to Australia
* Melbourne Airport growth
* Qantas' first refurbished 767-300 recommences flying duties
* Alpha's Brisbane catering facility suffers a listeria outbreak
* Update on capacity increases at Brisbane Airport as well as progress of infrastructure projects
* China Eastern mentions that forward bookings to Cairns are lower than expected
* Transaero operates charters from Japan to Cairns with 747s
* Qantas returns to the Gold Coast after a number of years of absence
* Qantas confirms it 767 refurbishment program is tracking well ahead of schedule
* BA reconfirms its commitment to Australia announcing the introduction of 777-300ERs on its Sydney-London services from April 2013 with its flagship First and Premium Economy product
* Burn 115,000 QFF points for a SIM session

In one of the biggest announcements of this year, Virgin Australia announced that it would acquire 100% of WA-based Airline Skywest, as well as a 60% stake in LCC Tiger Airways Australia (both subject to regulatory approval). The same day, Singapore Airlines announced that it would be taking a 10% stake in Virgin Australia.

Australian Aviation Thread # 64

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User currently offlineQF175 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 834 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7812 times:

* According to an article in TravelDaily last week, China Eastern Airlines has made the surprise announcement that its Cairns-Shanghai services will expand to an all year round operation in 2013. The Airline only recently was reported as saying that forward bookings on its Cairns services were less than forecast and year round services were in doubt. It would come as no surprise if subsidies were thrown the Airline's way as a sweetner to operate year round services

* Canberra-based Brindabella Airlines has announced it will base one of its 30-seater J41s in Sydney from 19NOV12. The aircraft would be used on its existing Sydney-Cobar services. The Airline currently operates a number of weekly Cobar services and seasonal (read ski season) services to Cooma from Sydney

* Brisbane Airport Corporation will reportedly conduct overlay works on RWY 01/19 from June to September 2013. As a result, the runway will need to be closed between the hours of 2300 and 0500, which as many would be aware impacts on the midnight departure bank for a number of International airlines including EVA Air, China Airlines, Our Airline, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines. It is not yet known what changes the abovementioned Airlines will implement to accommodate the runway closure

* Malaysia Airlines recently operated a number of 747-400 and A330-300 charters through Rockhampton Airport. Let the pictures do the talking!

Photo © and courtesy of CQ Planepotting - Source

Photo © and courtesy of CQ Planepotting - Source

On 1 November Adelaide Airport welcomed its inaugural Emirates service (surprised no one has raised this prior!), with 777-300ER A6-EGI touching down at Adelaide Airport at 2105L as EK440.

Photo © and courtesy of Planespotting Adelaide - Source

User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7802 times:


This is a fantastic site about the new Perth Airport redevelopment finally happening. Exciting times ahead for us here in WA!

User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2779 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

Tralee housing development in NSW but under Canberra airport's flight path will impact operations and mean a curfew. SMH

I despair of this state.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
Malaysia Airlines recently operated a number of 747-400 and A330-300 charters through Rockhampton Airport. Let the pictures do the talking!

Before anyone asks - they were military charters from Singapore.

I like artificial banana essence!
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5442 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 2):

Still doesn't resolve PER bigger issue... Runway capacity!


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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

Also, does anybody know how long this "fast-tracked" A380 gate at PER is going to take? "Within the next 12 months" has been said for about 4 months already. I assume we'll see EK in with a 380 pretty much as soon as it's ready.

User currently offlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 5):
Also, does anybody know how long this "fast-tracked" A380 gate at PER is going to take? "Within the next 12 months" has been said for about 4 months already. I assume we'll see EK in with a 380 pretty much as soon as it's ready.

From what I understand the gate that is being upgraded has been closed and the tarmac outside has been ripped up. I wouldn't be surprised if it's completed along with Terminal WA.

User currently offlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7797 times:

Air China upgrading one of their SYD flights to B77W starting next month.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 6):
From what I understand the gate that is being upgraded has been closed and the tarmac outside has been ripped up. I wouldn't be surprised if it's completed along with Terminal WA.

nearmaps has recent photos (october 17), where you can see the start of the tarmac stripping.

I'd think the A380 gate will be built with the initial works of the Virgin Pier (but first thing finished and ready to be used).


From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7797 times:

From thread #64:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 196):
Was there any announcement, all that is noted in the news is the plan to start paying dividends ASAP - Stating the obvious no?

Not obvious at all that they would be paying dividends in the current environment. This article suggests the exact opposite:

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5442 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7798 times:

Any idea what QF's A333 VH-QPI was doing in Muan, South Korea on the 8th of Oct...?

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Photo © YoHan HAN - Korea Aero Photos

I'm guessing 1 of 2 things... Diversion... OR... Charter...?


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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7801 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):

Yes. She operated HKG-NGO-MWX-HKG (I'm not sure who for though).

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5442 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7793 times:

THE O'Farrell government's plans for Canberra to host Sydney's second airport are in tatters, following the approval of a big housing development in the Canberra Airport flight path, the federal government says.



Looks like its back to the drawing board even though I doubt it was going to happen... Wish this stupid government would make a decision and stick to it!


[Edited 2012-11-10 02:47:58]

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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 1034 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
even though I doubt it was going to happen.

Agree with you entirely. A thought from left field "Well, if I cant have my airfield plan, then I shall get my housing development plan up and running, no sower grapes, just political pragmatism"

remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

Another Volga Dnepr AN 124F just landed at BNE.The 4th flight in the past 5 weeks.

Garuda looking at resuming BNE in 2013

This was in the Jakarta Post on the weekend

Garuda to receive 24 new aircraft next year
Nurfika Osman, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Business | Sat, November 10 2012,
11:31 AM
National flag carrier Garuda Indonesia says it will take delivery of 24 new
aircraft at a cost of US$1.57 billion next year to support expansion of its
domestic and international flight service.

President director Emirsyah Satar said in Jakarta on Friday that the
aircraft comprise four Boeing B777-300 Extended Range (ER) aircraft, 10
B737-800 Next Generation (NG) aircraft, two Airbus A330-320s, one A330-300s
and seven Bombardier CRJ1000 NextGen aircraft.

"They will be used to help expand both our domestic and international
networks. As for the B777s, they will replace our aging B747 series,"
Emirsyah said on the sidelines of the Garuda Indonesia Travel Fair 2012 in
Jakarta on Friday.

The B747s that Emirsyah referred to are currently used for the airline's
long-haul routes, such as Jakarta-Amsterdam and Jakarta-Jeddah.

Emirsyah said that Garuda planned to expand its international service to
include service from Jakarta to London in the UK; Brisbane, Australia; and
Auckland, New Zealand; next year. "We expect to open the new international
routes by the end of 2013."

Marketing director Elisa Lumbantoruan said that the airline would fly each
of the routes four times a week by the third quarter of 2013.

"In the future, as we will have more aircraft, we will increase the service
from four times to seven times a week," he said.

Garuda currently operates 96 aircraft with an average age of 6.23 years. The
airline flies to more than 50 destinations domestically and internationally.

Under the airline's Quantum Leap program, it plans to increase its fleet
numbers to 194 aircraft with an average age of 5 years by the end of 2015.

Emirsyah also said that Garuda's low-cost carrier, Citilink Indonesia, would
receive 10 new A320s next year that are worth about $900 million.

The budget airline is expected to field a fleet of about 100 aircraft,
including 50 turboprop aircraft, by the end of 2015.

"We are going to announce whether we will use ATR-72s or Bombardier Q400s
planes by the end of this year. We are still studying both aircraft,"
Emirsyah said.

The turboprop aircraft would be based in eastern Indonesia, as feeder planes
for routes served by Citilink's and Garuda's Bombardiers.

Last month, Garuda officially put into operation a Canadian-made Bombardier
aircraft at its regional hub in Makassar, South Sulawesi to help strengthen
service on its domestic routes.

Four out of the 18 jets that Garuda is expected to take delivery of will
serve routes connecting Makassar and Ternate, North Maluku; Kendari,
Southeast Sulawesi; Mataram, West Nusa Tenggara; and Surabaya, East Java.

The fifth Bombardier, which the airline expects to take delivery of in
December, would enter service from Garuda's hub in Surabaya and connect the
city to one of the world's most popular tourist destinations: Denpasar,

According to Garuda recent reports, the airline's total revenues grew 14.4
percent to $2.39 billion in the first nine months of 2012, while net profits
climbed 51.9 percent to $56.48 million.

Its passenger numbers also rose 20.2 percent to 14.89 million, while its
cargo volume surged 18.7 percent to 201,070 tons.

User currently offlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 10):

I believe it did a charter in the lead up to the F1 Grand Prix in South Korea.

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 6957 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 14):

It's great to heat that Garuda are considering BNE. I've often though that (along with PVG and PEK) that CGK was the biggest hole in our longhaul network.

From what I've heard, they are now a very good carrier. It's great to see that they are performing well financially as well.

Just to cross-thread... MEL and BNE were suggested in the UA speculation thread as possible 787 destinations. I can definitely see MEL occurring at some point. It isn't going to happen right now, but longterm I think that it would be a good move. The traffic to support this route must surely be there. The 787 would also be a good product upgrade from the 747s across all cabins, but especially Y.

Re BNE, I am - unfortunately - less convinced. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see UA in BNE, not least for entirely selfish reasons as my mum is a BNE-based 1K. The current drag through SYD is a pain in the ass, it is fine for QF-QF connections, but when you have to collect your luggage and pay for the train it is far from optimal. I can't, however, see it working without an Australian partner. I believe that the market from the USA to Brisbane/SEQld is relatively small and UA has next to no brand penetration in this market so they're unlikely to pick up to much BNE-originating traffic. Without an Australian partner to market them here and provide feed from CNS etc I can't see it happening. I'd love to be proven wrong, though!

Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7796 times:

QF has posted on Facebook that the last A332 on order will be in Australia by the end of November... She has been painted with the OW livery (which I'm not a fan of...) but this is good news  

Photos here: http://instagram.com/p/R6u0aeQ-5b/

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):

I think the best thing that they could do initially is fly to MEL through BNE. The routing would probably end up being faster than the existing SYD stop overall, and the existing MEL market can help support BNE while they build the brand.

The problem then is that SYD loses MEL's traffic, which could be an issue in the low season. What they really need is the A350 (or even the 789), but that's still a few years away for UA. Perhaps the solution then for SYD would be a 747 from LAX and a 787 from SFO (given that it's the more premium market). Overall that would given them a bump in capacity overall to Australia, but it's not ideal.

User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7788 times:

UA have 2 flights daly going into SYD, 1 from LAX and 1 from SFO which 1 of those flights is a tag on to MEL (not sure if its the SFO or LAX flight) I wounder why cant UA send the other flight of to BNE, and then on to the US or fly it back to SYD like they do with the MEL tag on, that way UA serves BNE and one of those 744s are not sitting on the tarmac for most of the day, correct me if I am wrong but dont both those flights get into SYD early in the morning and dont leave until mid afternoon? Does UA have rights to fly into BNE with their own metal if they wanted to?

User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

Seems like more job loses at QF maintenence, Avalon and Sydney agian and looks like Brisbane is jumping way ahead of Sydney and Melbourne as far as maintaining aircraft, if Brisbane is doing maintenance on the 763s and A330 200/300 where do the 737/717/Q400s go for maintenance now that Melbourne has shut or shuting down? I know SYD still maintains some 747s as do Avalon but dont know for how much longer. Could it be another fight between unions and management brewing again ?

User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 19):

The 717 maintenance is outsourced already, IIRC; QantasLink recently upgraded the Tamworth base to service the Q400 fleet.

Qantas - The Spirit of Australia.
User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

Thanks Skyhawk for that information

User currently offlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7793 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
QF has posted on Facebook that the last A332 on order will be in Australia by the end of November... She has been painted with the OW livery (which I'm not a fan of...) but this is good news

I Wonder how long this one will last in the OW livery.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5442 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 14):

Let's not forget GA have tied up with EY rerouting the CGK-DXB-AMS service via AUH...


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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Just out of curiosity, could we see KE or OZ expand more down under? Seoul is a booming market - perhaps a thrice weekly ICN-PER could eventually be on the cards.

25 eaglefarm4 : KE are pulling MEL apparently according to another board. BNE will be 6 a week from next week.
26 gemuser : It is normally the aircraft from LAX that does the SYD-MEL-SYD tag, according to the cabin crew when I flew that flight two weeks ago. I don't know i
27 RyanairGuru : Wasn't Kangaroo Island previously a 747? If that were to happen it would probably be the other way around, with no competition to SFO and their West
28 eaglefarm4 : United used to fly daily to BNE .LAX-SYD-BNE-SYD-LAX.
29 thegeek : I don't see why UA should fly LAX-BNE. There's already two airlines on the route and the market isn't that large. SFO-BNE could possibly work but you
30 gemuser : That is not what the cabin crew said on UA839 arriving SYD on 22/10/12. He said it was usually the LAX aircraft unless it was being swapped for maint
31 Boeing767-300 : I just got an e mail from Qantas showing a change for 581 in January 11th from a 744 to a 763. A quick look through the schedule shows that its 767 da
32 RyanairGuru : I've just checked the four dates that are publicly available right now, Nov 11-14 On Sunday Nov 11 MEL was operated by the SFO aircraft On the other
33 NZ107 : Can't seem to find it anywhere recently - is the new arrival of the QF A332 signalling the end of the 744 on SYD-PER?
34 Ben175 : There was a thread on this, the 747 comes back next year.
35 eaglefarm4 : JetGo's 2nd ERJ 135 due into BNE tomorrow on delivery.
36 EK413 : I believe the B744 is to be utilized on the QF21 SYD-NRT route... There are only 2 Kangaroo aircraft remaining and heading to the desert soon... EK41
37 IndianicWorld : Can't see that one working. The factors in play are: - There would be minimal VFR travel from PER to Korea - The Australian outbound tourism market t
38 qf002 : Yes, VH-OED apparently. My thinking is that UA seems to carry a lot of lower yielding Y traffic to LAX, whereas SFO as a destination would probably b
39 SYDSpotter : Are the new refurbished 767's being deployed on the SYD-PER route first? I have an upcoming flight on a 767 to PER, and would be keen to see the new
40 Post contains images Flyingsottsman : I dont dout you eaglefarm cause you are probley right, when did UA serve BNE I thought the only 2 cities they serve is SYD and MEL what years did the
41 Flyingsottsman : Thanks gemuser for that information very interesting about their MEL tag ons. Its a shame the direct MEL LAX service didnt work out for them I belive
42 flylonghaul : I am also curious about that. I remember seeing a UA 747 in the battleship sceme in the 90s sometime from memory, but can't remember more than that.
43 Post contains images Flyingsottsman : Dam ! be a shame to loose KE from MEL. How come a flight will work from one city and not from another ? Like take for example lets say MEL to HNL ( I
44 EK413 : Yes, only 1 of a total 16 B763 to be refurbished has been operating SYD-PER-SYD... Only VH-OGQ has been refurbished so far... EK413
45 qf002 : In this case, it is about the inbound market. Lots of Koreans going to Queensland, but comparatively very few travelling to MEL. Same reason that the
46 eaglefarm4 : UA flew to BNE around 1992 for several years.Initially Mon,Thur,Sat and then daily.It was a add on to the LAX-SYD service. CO also operated a daily f
47 sydscott : I've been wondering if JQ will try making ICN-CNS or ICN-OOL work once the 787's arrive. It seems a logical extension of the network and by that stag
48 allrite : Initially I think it's more likely to do something like ICN-NRT/KIX-CNS/OOL utilising Jetstar Japan and a similar strategy for many SE Asian destinat
49 Post contains links tayser : despite impending loss of KE, growth in international still occurring http://www.routes-news.com/news/item...drives-growth-at-melbourne-airport intere
50 tayser : The other interesting tidbit - 32k people are going to Canada via another port (well they have to!) and it's the equivalent of 88 people per day - les
51 sydscott : Makes sense when you think that VA/DL would be connecting pax in SYD & BNE, NZ in AKL and UA via SYD but on their own tag flight from MEL. It's a
52 eta unknown : UA did fly the SYD-BNE tag with a 744 in the early 90's, but my recollection was it was very short-lived and the sector was cancelled almost as much a
53 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I checked and that's what they're doing on Thursday, meaning that they've done it every day this week. As I said above though, they do sometimes just
54 sydscott : A good friend of mine is a FA on UA who does the LAX-SYD-MEL run regularly. He's had a couple of 10 day trips in the last couple of months due to UA
55 eta unknown : One thing I've noticed with UA in SYD- if one 744 goes tech, usually the SFO service will be sacrificed so SYD-LAX can operate, even if that's the tec
56 qf002 : That's because the inbound LAX aircraft operates the return to SYD, while UA have plenty of aircraft in SFO that they can sub in to operate the fligh
57 Post contains links sydscott : http://www.businessday.com.au/busine...n-lifts-shares-20121115-29dgu.html Interesting bit of news this morning. After cancelling the 787-9 order and s
58 mariner : I think that sometimes financial prudence trumps visionary. Arguably, one of the most important things Qantas has to do is restore investor confidenc
59 IndianicWorld : Fully agree. This is the most solid move they could have made. Being visionary only gets you so far, especially if that gamble goes badly wrong.
60 Post contains links sydscott : True. The ASX announcement is a little bit more interesting because it has first half profit guidance and more facts on the Emirates proposal; http:/
61 IndianicWorld : I don't think VA has much of a leg to stand on when trying to oppose this deal. It already has built strong relationships with a number of carriers i
62 mariner : Maybe you can help me here. I'm used to American terminology and I assume that "underlying profit" is the same as the American "operating profit." Th
63 NZ107 : AFAIK, operating profit is a figure derived from the profit and loss of active operations of the company, otherwise known as the accounting profit (i
64 QFVHOQA : I also find it interesting that EK is seeking to codeshare on JQ services, not just QF. I believe EK interlines with FZ, but do they also codeshare? A
65 sydscott : Underlying profit - in QF defintion means the profit derived from the ordinary, continuing operations of the business excluding one off charges, extr
66 sunrisevalley : Are these equal to the deposits made or are they discounted because of cancellation of aircraft or, most likely, the answer is not known since the co
67 Post contains images NZ107 : Hmm, ok, thanks. Guess that helps AJ's case for reinstatement then
68 mariner : Hmmmm. Thanks. That sounds very much what I would think of as "operating profit." So is it fair to say that the underlying profit is the "net profit"
69 sydscott : We won't know until they release some financial statements. Once they release financial statements, profit numbers and cash flows we'll be able to te
70 mariner : So what term do we use for the actual profit - the money the company made (before tax) including all charges and receipts? I would use "net profit" b
71 NZ107 : More for the case of him looking good in the face of uneducated shareholders and the like.. But the share price usually comes into the equation throu
72 Post contains images sydscott : QF terms that "Statutory Profit before tax". In Australia generally non financial companies refer to "underlying profit" to measure their performance
73 mariner : Ah - thank you. Now I'm there. mariner
74 thegeek : I don't agree with the buy back. Wasn't it only a month or two ago that he was saying he didn't have any money so he couldn't take delivery of the A38
75 ZuluAlpha : This was a cornerstone of the QF / BA JSA, a profit share agreement for the Kangaroo Route
76 SYDSpotter : It's not a bad time to buy-back the shares given the share price is close to historical lows ~$1.20 per share. The last time QF raised capital, they
77 mariner : Profit before growth? mariner
78 sydscott : It also says that using cash to buy back shares is a better "investment" for the airline than further investing in their businesses or acquiring new
79 Post contains links tim : The worst keep secret has been confirmed by a Emirates Country manager. Emirates are ready to start daily A380 services to Perth the second the curren
80 SYDSpotter : Well i think airlines in general are a pretty poor investment, only a handful of airlines worldwide are meeting their 'return on equity'. But given Q
81 EK413 : I totally agree... Qantas is certainly reaching the turning point and now its time to return the favour to the investors... My self included... With
82 maxter : Did I really see a SQ B744 climb out over Shelley Bridge here in PER at around 16:40 today?
83 QF175 : Sure did, SQ 747-400F 9V-SFP operated a flight in and out of Perth today.
84 ZuluAlpha : Then I wonder if the EK 380 will then continue to New Zealand. And with the announcements releasing of information that EK is chasing the rights to c
85 EK413 : I was under the impression EK have reached their limit with tasman services...? EK413
86 SYDSpotter : Capacity wise, it is probably a A333/772 market at best. It is 6-7hr flight? So operating the A380 ain't going to be cheap and you would need some pr
87 qf002 : I am totally on board with the concept, but surely one of the 77W's would make more sense. They have. They would have to drop something to open PER-A
88 maxter : Ah thanks for that, is this a regular thing now or a one off. If it's a regular, must head down there to snap off a few pictures. Great news on the c
89 RyanairGuru : The only way this would happen is if they were to increase capacity to BNE by making 434/435 standalone, but that isn't too likely since they would p
90 tim : Working in Mining/Oil & Gas myself it is no secret their is a large legion of Kiwi's that I work with in certain fields in particular who travel b
91 CXfirst : Yeh, the only rumour I've heard is QF starting PER-AKL and EK codesharing, with even a possible lining up of schedules to make DXB-PER-AKL-PER-DXB fe
92 Post contains links VH-BZF : http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/4/4/2187441.jpg Fantastic to see that even after so many years since KLM ceased operations to Au
93 ZK-NBT : I'm sure they would have but they don't have anymore Tasman rights. Thats what seems to be the case often, a well loaded 77W from BNE and lightly loa
94 Post contains links and images QF175 : +1 have read/heard the same. Brisbane experienced some pretty fierce storms earlier this morning, with further storms expected later this evening. Br
95 IndianicWorld : Since the earthquake, I am sure this route would have taken a decent hit overall unfortunately. I could see EK dropping CHC and leaving that flying t
96 Post contains links QF175 : Welcome. SQ Cargo services to Perth are irregular at least according to the SQ Cargo website. +1 In other news.. Brindabella Airlines announces Sydne
97 RyanairGuru : SHIT! It's really great to see Brindabella growing. They seem to be very good at what they do, and as a Canberran I'm secretly proud that we managed
98 aotearoa : Wow. What a great shot! How do you time a shot like this?
99 NZ107 : I'd imagine someone got lucky - tried taking the photo for a first strike but there was another right after.. Lightning is virtually impossible to ca
100 EK413 : I've always wondered why is BNE such a difficult market to tap into without the tag on services and not as a direct service... EK413
101 RyanairGuru : Que? I will try and not interpret this as an insult to BNE, and presume you are asking why both EK flights are part of a tag? Well, all 3 MEL flights
102 EK413 : Yes, spot on... I didn't mean to insult BNE it just seems to be an extremely difficult market to tap into without the tag on flights... As mentioned
103 Quokkas : According to the November timetable: EK420 arr 17:35 - EK421 dep 22:05 (this previously has departed at 22:30 and will revert to that time from April
104 ZK-NBT : Wow! Agreed. But for EK i've always read if they fill the cargo hold that pays for the flight itself so freight is lucrative for them, and pax are a
105 EK413 : That is a pretty amazing snap shot... Talk about being in the right place at the right time... EK413
106 andrewtang : Does anyone know if we can expect to see a Qantas plane in a new aboriginal colour scheme? I last heard one of their planes will be painted in a speci
107 777ER : Long exposure shots are fantastic at getting these shots in the right conditions/camera settings I've heard the EK SYD-AKL flights do very well in Y.
108 ZuluAlpha : There was talk about it earlier in the year, where suspicion laid on that it was going to be a 330 and that it was going to happen sometime in Decemb
109 RyanairGuru : Sorry if I was a bit brusque! If we ignore PER for the moment since it is much closer to DXB, EK's flights to the East Coast are like this: DXB-SYD-A
110 EK413 : Let's forget EK for a minute and talk about QF for example serving MNL via BNE once a week... Yes EY from my understanding ain't even serving BNE dai
111 RyanairGuru : To be honest, I'd forgotten that flight even exists. Realistically I'm not sure that flight is there to serve O&D BNE, if someone was desperate t
112 Post contains links EK413 : Didn't mean to lose you there but from memory there wasn't any direct daily service until VA introduced services then QF as always jumped on the band
113 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Oh, I was confused by the word "direct" - I thought you were implying that BNE didn't have LAX service! QF15/16 was 6 weekly. In April 2008 it was in
114 EK413 : No harm done you've certainly provided clarity on the questions raised... Cheers EK413
115 eaglefarm4 : EY will from FEB 2013 go DLY BNE-SIN giving BNE a total of 6 daily to SIN EK 1 DLY SQ 3 dly EY 1 DLY QF 1 DLY Other non stops TPE 6 a week with BR,CI
116 RyanairGuru : Surely 14? If you are only counting non-stops, then HKG is lower because 3/4 (?) go via CNS.
117 eaglefarm4 : Yep i was referring to non stops, and yes in regards to CNS you are correct i should have.
118 RyanairGuru : I had completely forgotten those flight numbers! In my mind it was always 15/16. Now that you've pointed it out it's come back to me!
119 qf002 : Further to this point (though it has already been pretty well covered), SYD and MEL only gained dedicated EK services when the airline went from 2 da
120 qantas747 : I smell a qf dxb flight with a 787 as the next growth step. Alongside ek upgauging to a 380....
121 777ER : On what routes do you see a QF B787/EK A380? Direct/1 stop? QF is going DXB bound for Europe flights but with what aircraft? Maybe the same aircraft
122 SYDSpotter : I would guess PER and BNE, maybe ADL? The 787 would be the perfect aircraft to feed into DXB from theses, linking up with QF's A380 LHR services from
123 flylonghaul : Not surprising exactly, but QF flights direct to DXB are now fully bookable from 31st March Return Y seats are being priced at $2059 return. My guess
124 777ER : Wonder if the QF/EK deal will see AKL-DXB direct launching? Perfect competition for NZ code-share with EY for Europe/UK travel
125 SYDSpotter : Hmm not sure it will. The existing AKL-SYD-DXB works fine as it stands. I think there is also an issue from a practical point of view, AKL-DXB non-st
126 EK413 : Even if the aircraft was capable EK would need to drop one of the tag on flights from either SYD, MEL or BNE... EK413
127 Post contains images mariner : It gets the double whammy - folk going to DXB, sure, but also a fair whack of folk going just to Australia. I'm not sure there is sufficient, in eith
128 RyanairGuru : In case you missed the memo, NZ signed on with CX last week. They're not going to be interested in agreement with EY soon.
129 qf002 : CBR. I'm yet to be convinced its a great idea, but Alan Joyce did quite specifically mention the possibility of opening international long haul from
130 sydscott : The problem for EK is going to be obtaining more air rights in places like Australia once their max is reached. So it becomes imperative, with a part
131 EK413 : With EKs Australian capacity reaching it's limits I wouldn't be surprised to see QF provide the extra capacity ex-BNE, ADL, & PER utilizing their
132 RyanairGuru : I personally think that the demand is there, and that as a niche route it could work. That said, I think it is more likely that we will see CBR-SIN-D
133 Post contains links zeke : Todays AFR has an article in it saying the Dixon and co are trying to put a deal together again to take over QF. Seems this has been running in parall
134 RyanairGuru : Interesting. I personally hope it doesn't happen, as I'm starting to see the logic in Joyce's madness and feel that he should be given the opportunit
135 mariner : I agree. I wish the blowhards would stop trying to run Qantas and let Alan Joyce do his job. mariner
136 EK413 : I must agree... My comments from the past would otherwise disagree but I'm beginning to like the guy and his drive to bring the national carrier to p
137 Post contains images RyanairGuru : 100% agree I wasn't writing the most flattering things about him 12 months ago, but a lot has changed since then
138 sydscott : Funny how Tim Clark can make things like good............. By all accounts Geoff Dixon and Alan Joyce are quite close friends. They have dinner toget
139 RyanairGuru : That's a bit disingenuous, I started re-appraising my opinion of him in about March, and the record will show that I have was more positive towards h
140 mariner : I hope that's the case and I hope nothing comes of this. My respect for Alan Joyce went up a thousandfold when he ordered the grounding and I think h
141 sydscott : LOL I've been a consistent supporter of Alan Joyce and his strategy and I'm pretty sure my record on here will back that. I'm happy that others are r
142 qf002 : I think you're being a little cynical. The EK announcement was a turning point because of what it symbolises, and because it represents QF actually d
143 JQflightie : remember Dixon started this mess.... we dont want him in Power! AJ + Co are doing a great job, i see where they are going now, if Dixon (im refaining
144 sydscott : My point is that even without the EK deal there were lots of things happening anyway and QF was actually "doing something". Tough decisions were bein
145 EK413 : Agreed and Agreed... If this take over drive is successful & I for one certainly hope it's not successful it would mean the end of the flying kan
146 RyanairGuru : Amen to that. I agree in hindsight. It's just at the time it appeared to a lot of people that Joyce was taking a knife to everything in sight while t
147 mariner : I think that if Mr. Joyce made a mistake, it was in under-estimating the forces arrayed against him, how determined they were to bring him down (and
148 sydscott : Lets us also not underestimate Leigh Cliffords role in that equation. I'd love to see him see off Geoff Dixon and Co, if that were to happen, the sam
149 mariner : I agree. mariner
150 EK413 : For anyone interested... DJ shareholders advised to vote against exec pay – CGI Glass Lewis has advised Virgin Australia shareholders to vote agains
151 RyanairGuru : I'm normally not overly concerned with executive pay (I once argued with my mother over the CEO of HSBC earning $12mn) but I actually agree with this
152 Post contains links and images EK413 : A dedicated thread has been started... Rival Plan To Take On Qantas CEO Alan Joyce (by jetfuel Nov 18 2012 in Civil Aviation) EK413[Edited 2012-11-19
153 TN486 : Gents, I have always had belief in AJ (all my posts bear that out), and I welcome those who have had a rethink of their views. I posted some years ago
154 EK413 : I'm afraid I need to agree with you however on the conditions they perform and meet their expectations... Which in VA case I don't see why a 45% pay
155 qf002 : I agree. Not refuting anything you say. If you look at posts I've made in the past, you'll see that I've been a fierce supporter of what QF is doing.
156 RyanairGuru : Have you just "moved"? Or was I imagining the Thai flag?
157 EK413 : Reading into the thread it mentions AJ knocked back a pay increase which I wasn't aware of until now... Your probably right... The original date was
158 RyanairGuru : Sorry! I did momentarily wonder if I'd made it up. Anyway, I guess two can play at that game. I seriously considered changing my flag last week, and
159 EK413 : To be honest I do it to safe guard my identity... EK413
160 SYDSpotter : Agree, JB has done a decent job since he's come into the role, but the real test will be how his strategy stands up in the next 2-3 years. $4m for a
161 sydscott : I agree with that. There is also plenty still to come out about Asia once the EK deal goes through. The critical thing for QF will be to build mass i
162 RyanairGuru : This will, unfortunately, be QF's achilles heel. Their costs are higher than the competition, and the market save for a few exceptions like SIN and H
163 EK413 : Is it safe to say with the latest agreement between NZ/CX that the chances of QF getting cosy with CX are nil...? I wish the 2 co-operated but I just
164 sydscott : I'm not so sure about that. I think what CX is doing is consolidating feed from a traffic source it will no longer have to compete for. Makes sound c
165 allrite : I don't think Qantas mainline will have a big point to point Asian network and most point to point from Australian cities will be to focus cities lik
166 sydscott : Along with better timing to allow for intra-asian connections, I would agree this is critical. As you say, using a combination of both Qantas mainlin
167 EK413 : I believe at one point Dragon Air was going to serve Australia but never materialized and as for Hainan they served Sydney at one point and there are
168 Post contains links pugsley : Sorry to change the topic, but does anyone else think things at DJ are getting really interesting??? http://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms/...UK/press_r
169 qf002 : Depends on what the goal is. If the goal is to damage QF (and hence open the market up for all the respective parties), then absolutely. I don't thin
170 allrite : Don't forget Jetstar Hong Kong, once/if it gets approval. 3K also fly to a number of near Eastern China destinations from Singapore. From an economy
171 sydscott : Indeed. Hainan also brings a Beijing hub with it so a QF coded, or operated, service back to there makes alot of sense under a partnership with Haina
172 EK413 : Interesting times ahead considering EY own a portion of VA while SQ own (49%?) of VS... If the relationship all of the sudden becomes sour I wonder h
173 sydscott : I doubt it. SQ has long been rumoured to be a seller of the VS stake for the right price. They would know strategically there is a huge difference be
174 Post contains images EK413 : I doubt it too... The relationship between the 2 VA/SQ seems to be very cosy when compared with say hmmm QF/CX I've always wondered what was the hold
175 NZ107 : QF108 looks like it's dumping fuel off the LA coast right now.. Any idea what the problem might be?
176 Post contains links EK413 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA108 Definitely an air turn back... I have no information at this point... Aircraft has landed in LAX... EK413[Ed
177 ZuluAlpha : The QF107/19Nov LAX JFK did a double air turn back due to landing gear issues. I wonder if it was / is related
178 ZuluAlpha : On a separate issue, I was informed today that QF has started a ticketing agreement with Mesa Airlines (YV) I was informed that, through their carrier
179 EK413 : I take it the LAX-JFK-LAX tag on sector was cancelled...? EK413
180 eaglefarm4 : Garuda announces return to Brisbane from August 2013 with 6 a week with 738's.CGK-DPS-BNE.
181 ZuluAlpha : Correct. Pax either overnighted and went on the QF107/QF108 the following day or transfered to AA sectors
182 Post contains links tullamarine : Melbourne Airport has announced their intention to go ahead with planning and approvals for the construction of a third runway at Tullamarine. http://
183 EK413 : Wasn't there plans to build a NEW Midfield International Terminal to cope with the demand... If there is one thing MEL isn't lacking its land, someth
184 vhebb : Some QF news: * B73Hs VH-VXC, VXD, VXE, VXF, VXG and DHC-300 VH-SCE have all recently been through the paint shop and now feature the new livery. * Ne
185 IndianicWorld : No masterplan has indicated a midfield terminal. The latest extension was the closest thing to a midfield terminal that we are likely to see, but it
186 aerokiwi : I suggested it in a past thread and got fairly comprehensively repudiated (though I would contend it was solely by quantity, not quality of the count
187 Post contains images EK413 : I don't wanna ask the question but I'll go ahead and ask... Any indication as to when VH-VXB is expected to enter the paint shop...? EK413
188 ZKOKQ : RAAF tomorrow is planning a low fly with 4 C-17's over Brisbane City (South Bank) at 300m and Gold Coast along the beaches at a low height from 9-930a
189 IndianicWorld : Whats the reason? Makes sense, seeing HA has a partnership agreement with VA also.
190 ZKOKQ : Celebrate the last of the 6 globemasters being delivered
191 TN486 : As I posted in the other thread, another nail in the spotters coffin!!!
192 tullamarine : The construction of a new runway, be it N-S or E-W, was always going to mean the end of the spotters area on Operations Road.
193 Post contains links 9MMPD : Sorry MEL and SYD but it looks like PER is set to be Australia's first city with a scheduled 787 service. http://aegwaspotters.blogspot.com.au...ng-ne
194 IndianicWorld : Nice work. The funniest thing is that QR have ruled out SYD until they have a 24 hr airport... ummm good luck waiting for that :lol:
195 Post contains images thegeek : Maybe Barry O'Farrel will get what he wants with CBR being a second Sydney airport then.
196 Post contains links EK413 : Here's a video of the flyover in Brisbane... http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=hGL3ZXUZ3xw EK413
197 Post contains links ZKOKQ : http://media.theage.com.au/national/...masters-buzz-brisbane-3814720.html Todays C-17 flyover. EK413 beat me to it![Edited 2012-11-22 01:12:02]
198 Post contains links and images QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 66
199 Post contains images EK413 : Sorry I didn't mean to beat you to it EK413
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