jcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 290 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 448 times:
MX delay out of DXB causing crew to time out. Entire crew needed to be replaced. New crews flight from ATL was delayed 2 hours (DL800) which further delayed DL7 out of BOS.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6953 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 446 times:
Quoting jcarv (Reply 4): MX delay out of DXB causing crew to time out. Entire crew needed to be replaced. New crews flight from ATL was delayed 2 hours (DL800) which further delayed DL7 out of BOS.
I know this is common across the industry but a diversion due to "crew timing out" has to be one of the stupidest rules ever invented.
wingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 590 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 446 times:
Well, do you want your crew on duty for more than 16 hrs? I don't fly across the ponds, but I have worked a 16 hr day, and i can say without a doubt I was fatigued at the end of the day and my judgement/reactions weren't as sharp. Now you want the crew to just continue? How long is too long? 18, 20 hrs?
It is better to fly to BOS and take a complete flight delay of 8 or 9 hrs, than park the plane in DBX for another 24hrs and start fresh the next day.
Wingnut
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! It's a bonus if you can fly the plane again!!
tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1398 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 446 times:
Quoting airbazar (Reply 6): I know this is common across the industry but a diversion due to "crew timing out" has to be one of the stupidest rules ever invented.
It's a rule for a reason. Depending on the person, after being awake for 20-24 hours your reactions are the same as if you were legally drunk.
You want to hear a stupid rule? Under Part 121 Supplemental flying, there is no duty day at all or required rest period for flying outside the lower 48. Just don't fly over 12 hours in any 24 hour period. Many cargo carriers fall under this type of flying. A lot of people that don't understand will say "well it's cargo, not people" It's not a good argument.
It seems that the stop in BOS for a crew swap is perfect for getting the trip done with minimal delay under the circumstances.
mi5flyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 446 times:
I think the flight probably has 2 crews that fly a max of 9 hrs each. This gives the flight about 18 hrs. to be completed or somebody goes illegal. That's seemed to be the way it was on the JNB-ATL flight I took. Suffered only about an hour delay for MX and the crew said we couldn't take much more or the flight would be canceled for the day.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6953 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 448 times:
Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 7): Well, do you want your crew on duty for more than 16 hrs? I don't fly across the ponds, but I have worked a 16 hr day, and i can say without a doubt I was fatigued at the end of the day and my judgement/reactions weren't as sharp. Now you want the crew to just continue? How long is too long? 18, 20 hrs?
You're exagerating. IIRC, they get 2 full nights in DXB then fly back with 2 crews. The crew rest has beds fopr them to sleep on. They're not tired by any stretch of the imagination.
2 nights or not, you are still fighting jet lag or trying to sleep in the middle of the day to "try" and stay on a reasonable time schedule. Even if you have 2 crews, they both may be tired. What if there is turbulence and the relief crew can't rest? It is very easy to end up for 20 hrs and then try to land a plane. A task much easier said than done. I don't feel like it is an exaggeration at all!
Wingnut
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