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AC Q400s At JFK  
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

I was flying out of JFK on Saturday, Nov 3rd, on US Airways to CLT and, upon driving into the terminal, I looked over and was flabbergasted to see an Air Canada Q400 boarding for the 6:55am flight to YYZ!

So, I am very proud to announce that John F. Kennedy International Airport once again has scheduled passenger prop service!  


JZA8901 departs JFK @ 6:55am
JZA8903 departs JFK @ 10:45am
JZA8905 departs JFK @ 5:40pm

Glad to see the new q400s of Air Canada coming to JFK and good to see prop service (pax anyway) back at JFK.

On a side note, it was cool to see the flight depart from runway 31R, while everybody else ws using 31L. I was able to watch it from the gate and watch it turn hard right and circle around to go north, before the end of the runway! Pretty cool sight!

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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Yes. this was announced in a media release a few weeks ago. AC can now offer more capacity at (likely) less cost to them. With the deployment of Q400s to Western Canada, also recently announced I think it likely that AC will acquire more.

Currently I believe Jazz have 15 and AC, through Sky Regional, either have or are committed to 21, and there are some options not yet taken up.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

I knew there was AC service to JFK but didn't realize there was Q400 service....they aren't going into YTZ are they?

User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 2):
I knew there was AC service to JFK but didn't realize there was Q400 service....they aren't going into YTZ are they?

No the flights are to YYZ. The only flights AC operates to YTZ are to YUL.



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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

They should fly the Q's into LGA instead of the CR2's.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 4):

For the most part, LGA is a mainline station, so it does see some better planes than the CRJs (cough, cough, E-Jets)  


User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Yes. this was announced in a media release a few weeks ago.

I thought the route was inaugurated in May with the Q400s, but I was wrong. Frequency has not changed since then (3x per day (AC's return to JFK since leaving in April 2009, when it ended service to YYC and YVR) but the Q400s have replaced the CRJ. Perhaps due to certification proceedings with Sky Regional?

(Interestingly enough, this service seems to be AC's first from YYZ to JFK for as long as I have records (1980).)


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 6):

Didn't they used to fly the route with DC-9s?


User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
Didn't they used to fly the route with DC-9s?

Probably in the 1970s. Until the early 2000s to LGA, yes.

I'm sure Viscount724 or longhauler can give us the real story.


User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 6):
Perhaps due to certification proceedings with Sky Regional?

Nothing to do with Sky Regional. The route is flown by QK (Jazz).



Last Flight(s): YHZ-YUL-YOW-YWG-YVR // YVR-YYZ // YYZ-YUL-YHZ
User currently offlineoksman From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

That's right. I'm booked for JZA8905 on December 3rd and for my surprise I received this week an Itinerary Change from AC. I will love to fly the Q400 but I was let down as it would be my first flight also on a CRJ.

Actually JZA8905 is scheduled for 5:50pm not 5:40pm.

[Edited 2012-11-06 03:25:30]

As a side note, I would expect the Q400 to be slower than the CRJ. Interestngly though, arrival time is the same. Can someone explain that?


[Edited 2012-11-06 03:32:28]

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting oksman (Reply 10):

The cruising speed of the CRJ is 437 knots
The cruising speed of the Q400 is 360 knots.

So, the cruising speed difference isn't as drastic as one might think, but there is still a 77-knot difference.

The arrival times are probably due to schedule padding.

Hope this helps

**Just incase somebody here doesn't know what that is, schedule padding is when an airline lists a flight to be longer than it actually is, so if there are any minor delays (i.e. long taxi, late pushback (not too late) headwind, holding patterns), the flight won't be as late, so people who have to connect won't have tight connections.


User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5157 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting neveragain (Reply 6):
(Interestingly enough, this service seems to be AC's first from YYZ to JFK for as long as I have records (1980).)
Quoting neveragain (Reply 8):
I'm sure Viscount724 or longhauler can give us the real story.

This thread explains it very well:

Air Canada In New York City In The Past. (by doulasc Jul 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 5):
For the most part, LGA is a mainline station, so it does see some better planes than the CRJs (cough, cough, E-Jets)

The E175s are in the process of being transferred to Air Canada Express operated by Sky Regional Airlines. The majority of LGA ops are E175s, so over time LGA is becoming less and less of a mainline station. Although, I have operated a B767 into LGA.



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Though last time I was at LG I saw 6 Air Canada aircraft and only 2 more E-175s. The others were E-190s. Are they being transferred over as well?


User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5157 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 13):
Are they being transferred over as well?

No, just the E175s.



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Currently I believe Jazz have 15 and AC, through Sky Regional, either have or are committed to 21, and there are some options not yet taken up.

Jazz operates 15 Q400's (the original order for 15 are all in service now) and has 6 more on order (which will displace 9 CRJ-100's). In addition to YYZ-JFK, Jazz operates the Q400 on some weekend rotations YYZ-BOS.

SkyRegional operates 5 Q400's on just 2 routes: YUL-YTZ/YQM.

Jazz does not operate to YTZ. Air Georgian B1900's are frequently seen at YTZ operating corporate charters to Rouyn/ Noranda.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineoksman From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):

Sure it does! Thanks for the information!


User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting oksman (Reply 10):
As a side note, I would expect the Q400 to be slower than the CRJ. Interestngly though, arrival time is the same. Can someone explain that?
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):
So, the cruising speed difference isn't as drastic as one might think, but there is still a 77-knot difference.

The arrival times are probably due to schedule padding.

Presumably ATC routing plays a part as well — an example is Qantas' SYD-CBR flights (which are quite short at 128nm), which are blocked at 0:55 for 737 services and 0:50 for Q400s.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
On a side note, it was cool to see the flight depart from runway 31R, while everybody else ws using 31L. I was able to watch it from the gate and watch it turn hard right and circle around to go north, before the end of the runway! Pretty cool sight!

I remember a few years back when DL tried to flood JFK with DASH 8's, that's the departure pattern they used to take too. It was kinda neat to see. The endeavor, however, was short lived.



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User currently offlineneveragain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

Quoting RJLover (Reply 9):
Nothing to do with Sky Regional. The route is flown by QK (Jazz).

Thank you for the correction. I associate "Express" with Sky Regional, and then I have to remind myself of the rebranding and reorganization of the regional services. Sad to see AC following the American example.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
This thread explains it very well:

Thank you longhauler. I knew you would have the answer.

1982 was the last year for YYZ-JFK nonstop service according to Viscount724, and I've never seen him proven wrong.


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