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Tracking Flights With Flight Radar 24 Nah  
User currently offlineogshelly From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

I downloaded the flight radar 24 app for iPad, and I am a little disappointed, as it has frequent mistakes. Any suggestions what is there better? It worked better at the beginning, but I've seen that lately it doesn't detect some flights and some areas. I was in Bogota this past week, and it was clear skies of aircraft 100% of the time! Thanks in advance for your guru input.

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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6874 times:

Quoting ogshelly (Thread starter):
I've seen that lately it doesn't detect some flights and some areas. I was in Bogota this past week, and it was clear skies of aircraft 100% of the time!

flightradar24.com doesn't have 100% coverage and never has.

Coverage is steadily increasing as more volunteers contribute to the network. Much of South America, India, Africa, Central Asia, China, Indonesia and the Pacific Islands are not covered. The US, Canada, Australia and Russia have improved a lot this year and there's even feed from the Faeroe Islands and the Maldives. I'm hoping someone on Norfolk Island and around Dunedin will fill some gaps down this way.

Click 'INCREASE COVERAGE' and 'i ABOUT' on their webpage for details of their origins and plans.


PA515


User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6874 times:

I also find that it is not accurate, especially on USAirways transatlantic flights. It has them going from domestic to domestic airports when it is out over the Atlantic. I also find a lot of mistakes on British Airways trans Atlantic flights.

User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 2):
I also find that it is not accurate, especially on USAirways transatlantic flights. It has them going from domestic to domestic airports when it is out over the Atlantic.

The software doesn't deal with multi-stop flights terribly well.

Let's say you have flight XY123 which goes DEN-JFK-LGW all on one flight number. The system doesn't quite know which segment to pick up.

US Airways has a lot of flights like that, so the display can be buggy for their flights.



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User currently offlinenimool From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

Is the macbook app any good?


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

I'm sure there are countries where it would be pretty illegal to track flights.


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User currently offlinep201055r From Ireland, joined Sep 2011, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

Not sure that I can be more positive than PA515, TonyBurr and flyingalex, apart from saying that the app relies on inputs from enthusiasts, it does not piggy-back on ATC radar. Thus the lack of "visible" aircraft for the original poster when in Bogota, reflects a lack of input rather than the lack of aircraft in the skies there.

There are difficulties with the app as already alluded to and I often notice problems with aircraft in the Seattle area, heading East and West at the one time; aircraft appearing and disappearing when clicked on and a number of other quirks.
Planefinder.net has some similar problems.

Look at it this way - we're miles ahead of where we were when I first took up following aircraft in the late 1960s, when a very simple manually tuned, limited range, battery powered (and battery hungry) airband radio cost a week's wage!
It will get better.


User currently offlineloranfair From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

FlightAware, while usually useful, can have interesting results. For example, according to them, for the last few weeks, ExpressJet 4595 EWR-PVD has apparently operated with a Lear 35 for the last few weeks instead of an ERJ of some kind. How cool would that be if it was true?

User currently offlineTbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6875 times:
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FlightAware can be fun. Two other problems that I sometimes encounter are for example...1) A BA 747 going from MIA to LHR will show a zig zag geometric flight path that criss crosses most of South Flordia. but really goes nowhere. 2) I will be watching a plane and it will fly for several miles, stop for about 15 seconds, then jump back to where it was to begin with and do it again. This can go on and on. But like I said, it can be fun!

User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1260 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

Yeah I have found Flightradar to be pretty accurate, last summer while flying from Greece back to Finland I went to flightradar using free Wifi that is installed on most Norwegian's planes and watched my own flight using it, sure was fun.


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User currently offlineflyingbird From Sweden, joined Mar 2005, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

I think that most issues with FR24 is related to people expecting and presuming things without reading the description how FR24 works...

I really recommend to read these 2 pages
http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
http://www.flightradar24.com/faq


User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

Sorry but Flightradar24 in Europe is great, brilliant for tracking flights and great for checking how friends/families flight is going, now gives you ETA on phone.

Enhancements the last year have made app/ site alot better and coverage is growing, you can now track flight across Atlantic instead of disappearing.

Still have odd glitch where planes appear to go in reverse or hit the turbo button and speeds up but no doubt will improve with time like everything else. Also not all aircraft are trackable.

Planefinder.net another good tracker.

As p201055r says we've come along way although I remember my dads scanner radio from late 70s/ early 80s, especially as a kid listening to speedbird001 flying over southeast England.


User currently offlinewellies From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

It seems to be down to personal preference, at least with Flightradar24 and Plane Finder. Personally I use PF, as it was the first one I came across about three years ago, and I find the iPhone app works a treat and suits me down to the ground.
I tried the free app of FR24 a year or so ago, but didn't like the look of it. I'm guessing that I would've felt the same about the free version of PF had I been using FR24 for a couple of years though. They both seem to have their glitches and limitations, but as most have said, they are constantly updating. In my experience, PF are adding new feeds and features on a very regular basis.
If you haven't tried PF, try the free version, and maybe run it against planefinder.net (which will include the full features of the paid app. (Although filters are better on the paid app than on the website). One thing the site can do that the app can't however is go back to a particular date and time in history and play traffic in real time or 'fast-forwarded'. I used this to identify photos that I'd taken en route from the Canary Isles to STN with Ryanair. Obviously being Ryanair, we weren't blessed with the wifi of Norwegian, or a route map, so couldn't track our route at the time. By using this feature and cross checking with times etc, I was fairly easily able to identify landmarks that I'd photographed, and also other aircraft that'd crossed over us etc en route. There have been several other situations where I've found this feature useful, such as identifying at a later time/date interesting 'flybys' that you've seen when you maybe don't have access to a computer/smartphone/network.
I imagine (although I can't confirm) that FR24 has this feature as well? If so, like I said, we're back to personal preference!


User currently offlinerduddji From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6874 times:

I happen to have an ADS-B receiver on my house. One of my servers runs an app to send the data to FR24's server (I'm T-KRDU1). Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to build a proper outdoor antenna, so I can only pick up signals within 75 miles or so.

Previous posters are correct about the thru flights. It sometimes shows the wrong city pairs on those. However, you have to remember the ADS-B signal doesn't have the flight number or city encoded in it, so I imagine FR24 does a relational lookup to a table somewhere of all the World's flights. If there are discrepancies or changes there, they're passed into the FR24 GUI. Garbage in/garbage out.

Quoting p201055r (Reply 6):
Not sure that I can be more positive than PA515, TonyBurr and flyingalex, apart from saying that the app relies on inputs from enthusiasts, it does not piggy-back on ATC radar. Thus the lack of "visible" aircraft for the original poster when in Bogota, reflects a lack of input rather than the lack of aircraft in the skies there.

Actually in the US, it does use ATC feed (delayed 5 minutes) to supplement the ADS-B signals.



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User currently offlinegonnabapilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

for a mobile device, Flightaware is gonna be your best bet. The only time I use flightradar 24 is to see an overview of aircraft that are over me in a certain area. Other than that, I use flightaware religiously for tracking flights that I have personally flown and also for work. I set up the alerts on my phone so when one of my flights departs its origin city heading to me, it alerts me. Pretty cool.

-Andrew



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User currently offlinestrangr From Australia, joined Apr 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

I have never really had any issues with FlightRadar24, and enjoy it, the other one is PlaneFinder but I find that both are the same with almost the same data online.

FlightAware is very inaccurate here in Australia, but can provide some information.


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

Quoting rduddji (Reply 13):
Previous posters are correct about the thru flights. It sometimes shows the wrong city pairs on those. However, you have to remember the ADS-B signal doesn't have the flight number or city encoded in it, so I imagine FR24 does a relational lookup to a table somewhere of all the World's flights. If there are discrepancies or changes there, they're passed into the FR24 GUI. Garbage in/garbage out.

This gets complicated further when airlines use alphanumeric callsigns (like DLH6DT or BAW14L). FR24 identifies DLH6DT as DLH006, which would be a FRA-HAM flight (or HAM-FRA, can't remember which direction is odd and which is even).



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