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F9 Closing BIL Jan23  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 883 times:

More fallout from the E190 removals, but why not try their nutty 4/week mainline thing they have been doing rather than completely exit? Another (non-WN) DEN route bites the dust.


http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...ier-airlines-ending.html?ana=yfcpc
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and...e-281b-11e2-a052-001a4bcf887a.html

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24636 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 885 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
More fallout from the E190 removals, but why not try their nutty 4/week mainline thing they have been doing rather than completely exit? Another (non-WN) DEN route bites the dust.

"Nutty"?

Since the "nutty" scheduling helped drive the $30 million profit in Q3, I hope to see a lot more nuttiness.

mariner



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 884 times:

This is unfortunate news for BIL. The lowest-fare network option to connect anywhere other than the Northwest is now gone. UA and DL will now dominate the BIL market along with QX to SEA and PDX, and they are already not cheap. DL often charges over $400 rt on the short BIL-SLC route a month in advance.

User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 888 times:

So GTF is probably dead and I should let go of my fantasy of F9 to MSO.

User currently offlineiceberg210 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Am I surprised that Montana is losing some service? Not really (disappointing but after the gutting of places like Boise and all over the inter-mountain region you figure it'll happen...) what is a shock is which one they are getting rid of. Billings I would think being the biggest city in Montana and certainly having a ton of draw as a commercial center of that area would hold service longer than Great Falls or even Bozemon... As much as I love Great Falls, I've always been shocked that Frontier serves it and also that they have maintained service there... Just doesn't seem like big enough of a market... Hopefully Frontier will come back to Billings at some point after a sale, when they have more flexibility, or with 4x weekly service or something....


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24636 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 887 times:
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Quoting mcg (Reply 4):
So GTF is probably dead and I should let go of my fantasy of F9 to MSO.

GTF will depend on whether Frontier believes it can fill the A319:

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/art...10005/2012-Frontier-numbers-strong

"2012 Frontier numbers strong
Airline might fly bigger jets here next year

But the airport and its business backers might have to do an even better job of filling planes if Frontier returns next summer, he told the Great Falls Airport Authority, because Frontier confirmed it’s converting to a full fleet of larger, 138-passenger Airbus jets."


By the beginning of next year there will only be four E190's left in Frontier service, and they'll go away as soon as Republic can find other work for them

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 5):
what is a shock is which one they are getting rid of. Billings I would think being the biggest city in Montana and certainly having a ton of draw as a commercial center of that area would hold service longer than Great Falls or even Bozemon...

Yet BZN is transitioning to the A319, starting in January.

mariner



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User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 6):
Quoting mcg (Reply 4):
So GTF is probably dead and I should let go of my fantasy of F9 to MSO.

GTF will depend on whether Frontier believes it can fill the A319:

I think GTF provided some sort of revenue guaranty, I don't think any funding was required from it. I suppose if GTF offers the support Frontier will take it. The folks in MSO would love to see F9, but there doesn't seem to be much progress in organizing the required support. It seems to me that UA has reduced fares between MSO and DEN over the last few months (now typically available at about $330), which may discourage F9. I can dream though!


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
Yet BZN is transitioning to the A319, starting in January.

Billings is a good three times the size of Bozeman and is the economic center of the state. Bozeman however has a bigger draw during the winter months being the gateway to a busy winter recreation area.


User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 279 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
Billings is a good three times the size of Bozeman and is the economic center of the state. Bozeman however has a bigger draw during the winter months being the gateway to a busy winter recreation area.

I'm surprised at how busy Bozeman is. According to the Montana Department of Transportation (http://www.mdt.mt.gov/publications/docs/datastats/boardings-2012.pdf) Bozeman has boarded 343,836 passengers through September and Billings boarded 333,272. For Frontier specifically, Bozeman boarded 39,287 through September and Billings boarded 34,934. I realize Bozeman has a lot going for it with Montana State University, proximity to Yellowstone National Park, several ski resorts and is more centralized to the other population centers in the state but I didn't know they did that well.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 8):
I realize Bozeman has a lot going for it with Montana State University, proximity to Yellowstone National Park, several ski resorts and is more centralized to the other population centers in the state but I didn't know they did that well.

Yep. Billings is somewhere you go if you have to go there. Bozeman is an actual desirable destination.


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Does F9 have its own ground staff in BIL which will result in layoffs or do they contract their ground operations out to another airline there?


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 1):
"Nutty"?

Since the "nutty" scheduling helped drive the $30 million profit in Q3, I hope to see a lot more nuttiness.

mariner

As you know 3Q is almost always profitable for F9. They will be breakeven on an operating basis for the year which is worse than any other U.S. airline absent VX. AA even made money in 3Q before they filed for Ch11. Further, they are still benefiting from the prorate feed from the E190s at DEN which is going away in announcements just like this one. They will be hard pressed to match current performance next year without that feed.

If you listened to the quarterly call...

Analyst: "What is the current credit card holdback?"
Republic: "95% on Visa/Mastercard, 100% on Amex"
Analyst: "Is there any opportunity to improve that given the improved performance of the company?"
Republic: "Given the uncertainty for Frontier going forward with sale effort, we don't see any change going forward."

Those are close to exact quotes. Operating breakeven is not very good and if the credit card companies won't even give F9 more than a 5% credit against holdback I don't know how they find a buyer. That's a significant negative. Additionally, it appears to me that at this point that there is not enough cash at the combined companies to effectively spin-off F9 without an equity infusion which comes back to a buyer/investor being needed.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24636 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 885 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
As you know 3Q is almost always profitable for F9. They will be breakeven on an operating basis for the year which is worse than any other U.S. airline absent VX.


There have been very few times - I can't recall any but I haven;t checked - when Frontier has made a profit of $30 million in Q3. And In Q3 2011, Frontier lost money.

Q2 profit ($14 million) plus Q3 profit ($29.8 million) less Q1 loss ($20 million) makes for a year to date profit of about $24 million, which is rather more than breakeven.

Is it good enough? No. But it is a considerable turnaround.

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Further, they are still benefiting from the prorate feed from the E190s at DEN which is going away in announcements just like this one.

That isn't my understanding of the deal for the E190's.

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Republic: "Given the uncertainty for Frontier going forward with sale effort, we don't see any change going forward."

Precisely. Nothing will change until separation.

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
dditionally, it appears to me that at this point that there is not enough cash at the combined companies to effectively spin-off F9 without an equity infusion which comes back to a buyer/investor being needed.

A buyer/investor has always been the preferred option. That hasn't changed. As BB said when the "separation: was announced - no one wanted to buy Frontier last time around, why should this time be different?

I understand that I'm wasting my time with this, because I've said it all before and you ignore what I say.

mariner

[Edited 2012-11-06 21:52:24]


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User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 887 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
Billings is a good three times the size of Bozeman and is the economic center of the state. Bozeman however has a bigger draw during the winter months being the gateway to a busy winter recreation area.

According to the 2010 census, the population of Billings is 104,170, and Bozeman is 37,280. As a Bozeman resident, I can tell you that a lot of our population actually lives outside of the incorporated city limits. That is reflected in the county populations. Yellowstone County (Billings) has 147,972 and Gallatin County (Bozeman) is 89,513. BIL clearly serves a larger population base, especially considering that it serves pretty much all of eastern Montana and a big chunk of Wyoming. BZN has limited reach given the proximity to BIL, HLN, BTM, WYS and IDA. I think that BZN has benefitted from the drawdowns at BTM over the years, as I often meet people from Butte on BZN flights. But the real traffic drivers at BZN seem to be the university and the outdoor recreation industry. In the summer, people are always carrying on fly rods, and in the winter there is a bus to Big Sky ski resort there to meet almost every plane. It's a huge business here.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3275 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
Billings is a good three times the size of Bozeman and is the economic center of the state.

Yeah, I am bit concerned that F9 can't make money in Montana's biggest market. BZN & MSO maybe more desirable but still.



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User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 14):
Yeah, I am bit concerned that F9 can't make money in Montana's biggest market. BZN & MSO maybe more desirable but still.

  

As wonderful as I think BZN is, I still wouldn't be a bit surprised to see F9 suspend the route as soon as ski season is over in the spring. I'm not sure how much local traffic F9 really gets out of BZN. The only people I know that fly them regularly have family or business connections in DEN. I can't remember the last time I heard anybody say that they flew F9 with a connection beyond DEN. The FFs I know here all stick with DL or UA.



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User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 15):
As wonderful as I think BZN is, I still wouldn't be a bit surprised to see F9 suspend the route as soon as ski season is over in the spring. I'm not sure how much local traffic F9 really gets out of BZN.


I would suspect GTF would loose F9 service before BZN as BZN has been the up and coming airport in Montana for a few years now, finally surpassing BIL in total passengers it now appears and even securing direct flights from faraway hubs like ATL and EWR during peak seasons. Although, I am very surprised F9 gave up BIL before GTF as well, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised at anything.

I guess the writing was (maybe?) on the wall when F9 dropped BOI, although even that's a difficult comparison as BOI has WN. BIL does not nor is it ever likely to.

So who is the big winner here? UA? DL? It was noted that AS is (minorly) increasing service to PDX, although I can't see AS being a big winner in this case except for pax headed to the PacNW.

[Edited 2012-11-07 07:14:42]


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
There have been very few times - I can't recall any but I haven;t checked - when Frontier has made a profit of $30 million in Q3. And In Q3 2011, Frontier lost money.

Again, it's an operating profit, not a net profit. I don't think that was unusual pre-Ch11. Since then their results have been mucked up with RJETs...until now.

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
Q2 profit ($14 million) plus Q3 profit ($29.8 million) less Q1 loss ($20 million) makes for a year to date profit of about $24 million, which is rather more than breakeven.

Oh, there are only 3 quarters this year? I thought there would be four. Huh... As you know, 4Q is traditionally unprofitable.  
Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Further, they are still benefiting from the prorate feed from the E190s at DEN which is going away in announcements just like this one.

That isn't my understanding of the deal for the E190's.

That is exactly how it works. So, under CPA all the revenue is retained and the operator charges Frontier for the costs of operating the A/C plus a margin. That is effectively how they previously accounted for the RJs at F9, although theoretically there was zero margin, but you don't really know that for sure. Now, they are treating as a prorate relationship. That means the revenue is divided using a standard formula. Effectively that means that the stage adjusted yield of the journey is the same as the passenger connects from regional jets to mainline. That's what fair proration does and they have said it is standard industry proration they are using now. So, since the CASM (stage adjusted) is always higher on the smaller A/C, that means that the mainline does much better in terms of margin than the regional in a fair proration. That's why proration with regionals basically doesn't exist any more and everybody went to CPA. So, the revenue quality that F9 gets from the RJs is much better than what the regionals are getting relative to cost. That quality revenue feed to F9 is declining at a rapid clip as the elimination of the RJs pulls that revenue away from F9. It can be backfilled with the next local passenger turned away by revenue management, but the reason regionals exist is that the revenue quality of the regional connecting passenger is MUCH better than the value of the next passenger revenue management prices out of the market. Bottom line, it will be a significant revenue hole for F9 to fill. It's also part of why the DEN hub is starting to collapse.

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Republic: "Given the uncertainty for Frontier going forward with sale effort, we don't see any change going forward."
Precisely. Nothing will change until separation.

That's bad. It tells investors the company is not viable and it means that the company will need to infuse F9 with a ton of cash to buy their way out of that awful holdback. So, basically, they need to 1) buy Frontier from Republic for some amount of money, 2) avoid loading down a marginal business with any debt (operating profits do not include interest expense), and 3) infuse F9 with enough cash to get back to an industry standard holdback. VERY TALL ORDER.

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
A buyer/investor has always been the preferred option. That hasn't changed.

The difference is that now I think it is the only option. I don't think a spin-off is viable any longer. If they could have reversed the hold back it would have added $70-100 million in cash to their balance sheet and made them much more attractive for purchase or allowed them enough cash to consider a spin-off. They can't spin them off with $40 or $50 million in cash.

[Edited 2012-11-07 08:29:36]

User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 10):
Does F9 have its own ground staff in BIL which will result in layoffs or do they contract their ground operations out to another airline there?

F9 has an on-site manager, but the actual ground handling is done by QX.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24636 posts, RR: 86
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 884 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
Again, it's an operating profit, not a net profit. I don't think that was unusual pre-Ch11. Since then their results have been mucked up with RJETs...until now

There were no special charges put against it. It is effective net. And it saved Republic's financial butt for the quarter.

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
Oh, there are only 3 quarters this year? I thought there would be four. Huh... As you know, 4Q is traditionally unprofitable.  

I said "year to date." That means "the year up until today."

I don't try to predict the future, as you well know. However, the guidance to the analysts is for Q4 profit.

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
That is exactly how it works.

The deal was changed some months ago. It was discussed in threads in which you participated.

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
That's bad.

How can any CCP know what the financial structure of the separated airline is? No one knows.

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
The difference is that now I think it is the only option.

At least, you've come around to what was always likely to happen. At last.

mariner

[Edited 2012-11-07 09:38:49]


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24636 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 884 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 14):
Yeah, I am bit concerned that F9 can't make money in Montana's biggest market.

Any route that can't support the A319 year round will go.

Frontier is becoming an all Airbus airline - there will be no E190's in the fleet.

mariner



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2925 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Many small to medium sized airports have or should have citizen populous top five or ten wish list i.e where local citizens want to fly from their origin airport. This is usually driven by economical development and to a certain extent tourism.

I recently responded to a marketing poll generated by the CKV airport authority who queried the local populous. DFW came in first; two fold. Given CKV geographical location I thought it might be one of any nearby hubs or focus cities including STL or the greater Chicago area as a east-west connecting gateway. The greater Dallas area was not on my radar. Although the airport was pushing MCO it ultimately came in number 4. These decisions are best left to the flying public and not the egos of airport managers and to a certain extent airline executives who start and stop service.

As it relates to F9 and BIL; DEN may or may not be the the number one location the residents of BIL want to fly to. BIL should market their airport to the cities its citizens want to fly not necessarily where one airline wants to offer service too.

If memory serves me GTF is a gateway to Glacier National Park. I have a hunch GTF will ultimately be downsized to a Summer seasonal market very much like ANC.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 19):
There were no special charges put against it. It is effective net. And it saved Republic's financial butt for the quarter.

It is absolutely not. Interest expense and taxes are "below the line". All mortgage financing of aircraft and any general corporate debt is not included. RJET has $130 million per year in interest expense. That's not included. If that were divided up it would wipe out F9's profit so far this year.

Quoting mariner (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
That is exactly how it works.

The deal was changed some months ago. It was discussed in threads in which you participated.

...and what is different?

Quoting mariner (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
That's bad.
How can any CCP know what the financial structure of the separated airline is? No one knows.

It's a lack of confidence and a big negative to a buyer.

Quoting mariner (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
The difference is that now I think it is the only option.
At least, you've come around to what was always likely to happen. At last.

This was the one case where you didn't believe BB. He clearly said if he could not find a buyer, he would do a spin-off.


User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 21):
If memory serves me GTF is a gateway to Glacier National Park. I have a hunch GTF will ultimately be downsized to a Summer seasonal market very much like ANC.

FCA is the closest airport to Glacier. GTF is still quite a hike from there. And GTF is already summer seasonal.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24636 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 884 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
It is absolutely not. Interest expense and taxes are "below the line". All mortgage financing of aircraft and any general corporate debt is not included. RJET has $130 million per year in interest expense. That's not included. If that were divided up it would wipe out F9's profit so far this year.

Since Republic took over the airline, the Frontier number has always been effective net - profit or loss.

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
...and what is different?

It is publiclly available knowledge and discussed in threads in which you participated. You'll just throw rocks at whatever I say.

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
It's a lack of confidence and a big negative to a buyer.

I can't think why any CCP would agree to the unknown.

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
This was the one case where you didn't believe BB. He clearly said if he could not find a buyer, he would do a spin-off.

Still putting words in my mouth? I heard separation. You (and many others) heard sale.

The separation has always been based on the FAPA agreement of March (?) 2011 and it remains the template. It is playing out exactly as they said it would.

However, there is a new option, which I assume comes from Barclays, but (a) that still requires the investor and may involve the spin-off and (b) since I'm bored with batting down your negatives, I'll leave it at that.

mariner



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25 GentFromAlaska : Thanks for the geographically challenged in me. If I have the right airport FCA is GPI in flightaware. As a brief look goes it appears FCA/GPI is cov
26 Post contains links mariner : As earlier, GTF will depend entirely on whether Frontier believes it can fill the A319: http://www.kfbb.com/news/local/Frontier-Airlines--176684321.h
27 GentFromAlaska : Concur and as of right now the OAG thread shows the big goose egg through April. Summer seasonal doesn't begin in high altitude mountainous areas unt
28 MountainFlyer : FCA is covered year-round with service to MSP via DL (both mainline and Connection flights), and seasonally to ORD and ATL via UA and DL, respectivel
29 enilria : "Effective net" is not a "thing". It is not a financial term that google can locate. Anyway, whatever you want to call it, it is always going to be m
30 mariner : There hasn't been a buyer because they don't expect to be able to sell it, at least for an appropriate price - see BB's comment above. Investors are
31 PlanesNTrains : It never ceases to amaze me how every thread with Frontier has to get hijacked in some sort of vain attempt to be right. After how many years, we have
32 F9animal : Wow, another doom and gloom F9 thread.... Seriously enilria, what is your gig? You have been saying that F9 was going under for a few years now. I am
33 PlanesNTrains : The thing is, it doesn't really matter who is right or wrong, and it may very well be that Frontier ultimately disappears. What matters is that some p
34 skycub : Seriously.... can enilria and mariner not just get a room of their own? For God's sake... take your argument elsewhere. It get's a little old for the
35 IllinoisMan : If all the F9/Bryan Bedford apologists are allowed to put their predictable "spin" on things, then surely things should allowed to be evened out from
36 PlanesNTrains : In a thread about Billings, we end up with the equivalent to a prosecuting attorney preparing to put Frontier on trial - yet again. Ditto in a thread
37 enilria : Interest expense applies to both secured and unsecured debt. Everybody else...the bottom line is that they have not succeeded in being able to find a
38 usflyguy : Enilria is stating the obvious. F9 wouldn't be posting a profit if they were a stand alone and had to include all of their balance sheet items. It's p
39 MountainFlyer : Delete "with Frontier" in your first quote and you cover about 80% of all A.net posts, and replace "A.net" with "internet" in your second quote and y
40 mcg : I've actually flown to BZN to travel to MSO. It's 3 hours down I-90 (not far really by Montana standards) but if it's a couple hundred bucks cheaper
41 mariner : What does that matter? Sean Menke couldn't find a buyer, but Frontier continues to fly - as Frontier. If another airline bought it, it likely wouldn'
42 PlanesNTrains : MountainFlyer, I appreciate your comments and respectfully disagree with your premise. -Dave
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